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07 Oct 2016 00:26:28
Want to get away from the Barton talk and formation opinions for a moment and bring up the Atlantic League proposal.

I think that Rangers and Celtic need to push this forward, I'm sure that there are many top teams that are in the same situation financially as us in terms of being able to compete, not only in the Champions League but Europa also which inevitably gets picked up by a team that has dropped down from finishing 3rd in a CL group!

This is the only answer for our club to get back on its feet again, I'm sure that it could work in unison with playing in the SPFL, they would not want us to leave and we could have a big and strong enough squad to compete in both. I really do think that this would be the best thing for all clubs involved teams like Ajax, PSV, Bronby, Anderliecht, Rosenberg etc.

there are so many big clubs that the potential to have 2 divs of say 16-18 including the likes of Hearts that some sort of promotional system from domestic Leagues could be implemented. But I think that the Old Firm must be bold and get the others to go ahead with it.

call FIFA and UEFA bluffs as they are only interested in looking after the likes on Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester Utd etc. The CL has got boring with the same 4 teams reaching the semis each year. While we have the fan-base and potential to be right up there ignore not bigger but its going to take something that resembles a rebellion! Money has taken over our game and we are being denied the opportunity to compete, enough is enough ;)


1.) 07 Oct 2016 08:16:50
So sacrifice big money trips to old Trafford, nou camp etc in favour for Brondby, Copenhagen etc? Also how are fans supposed to attend these games?

2.) 07 Oct 2016 08:55:08
Nah not for me thanks.

Hopefully we get accepted to join the EFL new fifth division in 2020. We can leave the colts in SPFL and our first team can work our way into EPL. Won't take long before there's huge investment in our club and we could dominate British and European football.

3.) 07 Oct 2016 09:49:08
I think if uefa get their way with basically an elite only champions league scenario the only option would be to break away into some league similar to the above. If you had the best of the rest in Europe competing each week it would surely attract massive tv and sponsorship revenue. And I am sure there would be a commercial benefit if it took off to have the best teams in such a league play againt the big teams in the champions league.

Its a shame as most fans would only get to home games but the league would become stale (even more so) if the best teams are not able to challenge themselves to things like European football.

Maybe clubs could leave a colt team similar to the moving to England idea.

4.) 07 Oct 2016 13:29:14
we have already been knocked back for the new devision down south and we will never ever be accepted into their fold as they are afraid of what we could do with our massive worldwide support.

5.) 07 Oct 2016 15:56:27
If everyone would just cancel there sky sports subscriptions and subscribe to a televison network actually supporting our game (BT) maybe we would have a better TV deal, but you all insist in tuning in to Manchester City vs Manchester United like it has any relevance to you at all. You give them the money by continuing to watch there dross. You allow them to make an elite euro league because you watch there dross. Turn it off, start supporting your team in scotland no more Barelona tops (The most sold strip in scotland what a complete joke) attend the match games every so often and only watch your club.

But I forget how many of you are easily amused with a quick graphic and some English guy talking nonsense off a script he was given by a smarter man.

6.) 07 Oct 2016 16:16:52
ross mate I have a fire stick with kodi I refuse to pay for sky tv but get it for nothing.

best way to stick it to the man.

I do pay for rangers tv though just because i'm a bluenose and like to see our youth play aswell.

7.) 07 Oct 2016 17:36:58
Just let them hav ther champions elite lge, it will soon get very boring, how many teams would be in it? 8, 10 at most every year. No one would watch it after a couple of year then they would need to re think. Surely they know ths deep dwn already?

I personally don't think it will happen and they will just reform the champions lge so thers mre places, europa lge and maby bring in a 3rd euro lge for the lower teams who are big enough fr europe but never qualify.

Would be good if somehow our lge cup got gve a team a euro spot it would mke it a bit mre exciting and more to play for.

8.) 07 Oct 2016 19:22:33
Gettin invited to the EFL would be my first choice and best scenario but if some on here who disagree with the Atlantic Lge, if we knew for a FACT that the EFL would never happen then would setting up this Lge be more appealing. Traveling would be an issue but maybe package deals when buying a ticket would help.
Failing both these ideas then bringing back the Cup Winners Cup would be a step in the right direction to give more clubs the chance of Europe and revenue. European football needs an overhaul the way UEFA want to go with the CL is disastrous to many clubs and in my opinion the only way we can generate money is through TV and Sponsorship via the Atlantic Lge there is NO other options.

9.) 07 Oct 2016 19:28:44
Thats what a was kinda getting at andy at the end of my comment ther, agree with u totally., bringin in a 3rd euro compitition, but are the top dogs a uefa even bothering if the smaller clubs get into europe?

10.) 07 Oct 2016 22:55:45
Ross, its ironic when most Rangers and Celtic fans have local teams they ignore. I'm a rangers man but I give my money and support to my local team first. Its the men running our game that are ruining it, not the punters.

11.) 07 Oct 2016 23:45:10
Yeah Dutchboy I know, I just can't understand why others do not see that forming an Atlantic Lge is our only way to be where we should be financially as I do not think England will invite us. Also the SPFL would be more competitive, I don't think that the squad we would field would necessarily be considered a Colt team, sure it would have youngsters in it but great for development and to have them playing in a team with some experienced players would be key to that not to field a team like that and just playing a squad of 18 to 20yr olds would mean not using the situation to its full.

12.) 08 Oct 2016 04:39:41
Yip thts a good idea too. i also said in another post. what about even trying to get a British Cup going that scottish, english, irish n welsh teams can play in

with european places up fr grabs, just say if you win the tournament u get champs league qualifier rond spot, and fr runners up in final a europa lge qual spot. i think that could do well n bring money and crowds in.

13.) 07 Oct 2016 23:49:19
Camoo, I take your point about only being able to attend home games, but it is not usual to have large travelling support except in smaller countries.
I lived in Spain for a while and not many Real fans who live in Madrid travel eg to Malaga or even Barcelona and the French games I have been to seemed to have no travelling support.

In fact how many away fans come to Ibrox - I know you were talking about a european competition and I have strayed off the point.
I think in these days of TV money being king it wouldn’t matter and maybe an Ibrox full of Blue noses would be better than a large chunk of the ground ‘fenced off’ and empty would make for better television.

14.) 07 Oct 2016 21:25:37
Rossw, i cancelled sky, and switched to bt, but im seriously thinking about cancelling that also, due solely to chris 'i hate rangers' sutton. when i listen to that guy it let's me know he has definitely never got over helicopter sunday. I've even started turning the sound down when he speaks, due to his vile hatred of anything rangers.

15.) 08 Oct 2016 12:11:45
Your 100% correct bigjoh85,chris mutton has a very unhealthy hatred towards rangers! He's a very undignified person imo and always has been! Its alright being a bad loser but he's a very bitter loser and i put it down to when we pipped them to the league title in 2003 when he was playing for celtic! He showed then how bitter a loser he was by stating categorically that dunfermline lay down to rangers when we beat them 6-1 that day, he didn't mention at all that his club had just beaten kilmarnock 4-0 at rugby park, the best team won the league mr. Sutton! Simples! Get over it!, although i know you won't as it still sticks in your throat that glasgow rangers won the title that year fair and square by scoring more goals than your lot! There wasn't one person mentioned that killie could have been lying down as they took 4 of them!

16.) 08 Oct 2016 21:03:54
To get back to the original point, playing in the English leagues is a fantasy, it will never happen. However, if enough clubs agitate for it, something like an Atlantic, or North European league could happen. During nine in a row, ordinary punters travelled to away European games two, three and even four times in a season and that would happen again. They would choose which games to go to, and Europe's budget airlines (most countries have them) would facilitate travel as there would be a profit in it for them. Same with hoteliers. Coach firms, ferry operators and the travel industry in general would relish it. I think this is where the future lies.

17.) 09 Oct 2016 10:57:20
Rangers and Celtic are Scottish clubs when you invest in a top (not currently for us but historically) that money goes to the Scottish club who then would reinvest it in Scottish football. Buying a Barcelona strip is dreadful in all senses as its money going out the Scottish economy completely that historically would have been in our game. That crippling TV money, in particular the sky ransom, had our game at its knees only now that BT are commanding a market share can we get a fair TV deal that could get us back on the European stage.

18.) 09 Oct 2016 14:13:16
@ RossW1995

The Sky TV deal was only because the Old Firm turned their back on Scottish football! They stabbed all the others in the back when we were looking at setting up our own Football TV station.

The Atlantic League is a possibility for me. Champions League football is duller than its ever been. Same teams same results even the tune has started to become tiresome! The Old firm are not wanted in Scotland, only the money their is wanted. So for me leave them all behind and let them feed on what scraps they can find.

19.) 10 Oct 2016 10:30:03
Fair and square Cooper? Your manager at the time Mr McLeish said on a documentry (Scotland's Game) the other month had it not been for the EBTs you would of NOT won the league! Fair and sqaure indeed lol.

20.) 10 Oct 2016 23:08:03
Dutchboy, I like the idea ogre a British Cup BUT if we wanted to keep it competitive imo I would keep it between us and England and also have a maximum foreigner rule 3-4. We either have the top 4 from up here and down South or top 2 from the 4 nations either way the foreigner rule I think would be huge and the right thing to do, or the top clubs down South would walk away with it most/ all the times yeah.



11 Jul 2016 16:42:23
What's your thoughts on Hardie and Walsh those two seem to be nxt in line to step up, Dunno situation with Murdoch regarding his contract but think he will get loaned out. I think Hardie should be givin a chance this season, as for Walsh I think he's in last yr of contract and after reading some of his comments he seems really confident in his ability and really wants a chance this season and I think he may ask to leave if he doesn't get his chance.


1.) 11 Jul 2016 16:57:38
He won't have to ask to leave if he only has one year left. He will just get release 😀.

2.) 11 Jul 2016 17:02:04
Think Murdoch has one year remaining also, though I am baffled as to why he doesn't get a mention, anywhere. Would like to see Walsh and Hardie get involved in these 4 cup games, and make a claim for some kind of involvement during the season. Would like to see Hardie too but that seems very unlikely, seems to me he is being pushed out of the club. Maybe something going on behind the scenes we don't know about, like an attitude problem or something, who knows.

3.) 11 Jul 2016 17:12:33
Sorry I meant Murdoch not Hardie.

4.) 11 Jul 2016 17:18:45
Walsh played well against charleston.

5.) 11 Jul 2016 19:25:29
Walsh and Hardie are likely to be given the opportunity and it is up to them to take it. Not sure about Murdoch, he played well in that last McCoist team but at the end of the day they still failed to gain promotion.

6.) 11 Jul 2016 20:37:44
Murdoch looked a good player in a bad team. I don't think he is as good as Halliday or Barton. So how is he going to get into the first team?

7.) 11 Jul 2016 21:52:31
Really hope Hardie, Walsh and Murdoch have futures with us. Would be great if Hardie and Walsh are members of first team squad this season. Hardie did well at Raith and scored a number of goals. Walsh was less spectacular at Dumbarton, but did show up last week in the US game and comes across as very confident in his ability. I have said elsewhere that hope this season SM takes Murdoch to Bradford on loan and helps with his development.

8.) 12 Jul 2016 00:37:19
I seen walsh play a couple of times and thought he has potential, its upto both of them to prove it.

9.) 12 Jul 2016 10:45:25
I think if they are to get games it should be in the cup games this season! if they do well give them contract extensions.



05 Jul 2016 07:02:29
Any update on the chance of Greg Stewart coming? Hope Gers play this one patiently, the lad is a bluenose and a really hot prospect, our midfield seems sorted so we should sign him in Jan on pre-contract! Need to think about our finances and the future as someone else posted we did move on at least 8 younger players.


1.) 05 Jul 2016 08:23:02
there is not even anything linking us with greg stewart. we need better quality than him no dis-respect to the lad. it is okay to say about think about the future and the finances but we need to be back in the champions league or at least back in europe and players like greg stewart quite simply are not going to get us there. i would love to see vladamir weiss back and sonny aluko. also would like to see dave king give the manager at least 2 million to spend on a striker but that is not going to happen by the looks of it. so looks like we are going to be stuck with the attack we had from last season.

2.) 05 Jul 2016 08:34:27
Lets be honest here guys, we don't need greg stewart, we've got more than enough in the attacking midfield position, a centre half and a striker and that's it as far as I'm concerned, happy days!

3.) 05 Jul 2016 08:46:52
Greg Stewart is a striker.

4.) 05 Jul 2016 10:44:07
He is a striker but i agree with james reilly he's not good enough although i disagree we'll have the same strikeforce as the magic hat has said publicly that we're looking for a striker.

5.) 05 Jul 2016 11:36:42
hope we can get sum1 that will score 30 plus a season.

6.) 05 Jul 2016 11:52:14
Have been told that the Lafferty story is gathering pace inside the club. Source works for the club and is NOT a Lafferty fan at all. Nor is he a scandal monger.

7.) 05 Jul 2016 11:59:22
Greg Stewart would be a great addition. He is a quality striker. If you go watch his goals on YouTube you will see what a great player he is. In our team he would have more chances and definitely score more. But I still would rather Lafferty.

8.) 05 Jul 2016 12:22:44
Guys I thought you knew your football! Greg stewart most definitely is not an out and out striker, he's a 2nd striker if you like or in the no.10 position or even out wide.

9.) 05 Jul 2016 12:23:04
Lafferty coming back would make absolutely no sense.

10.) 05 Jul 2016 12:33:08
Elginhun. Anyone can be made to look good on YouTube mate.

11.) 05 Jul 2016 12:36:47
Filip sebo looked class on YouTube.

12.) 05 Jul 2016 12:46:12
Greg stewert is not a number 9 style striker, he often plays wide or as number 10. Also he is not a bluenose, i played with himt cowden and know he is an aberdeen supporter (not that i think what cluib these players support makes the slightest bit of a diffence) .
Greg stewert would be a very dceent signing! class player.

13.) 05 Jul 2016 12:47:04
Whats sebo upto nowadays? might as well throw his name in with some of the other hopeless wonders that get mentioned.



29 Jun 2016 02:16:27
anyone know anything about the stand we were going to build at auchinhowie? Read that it was proposed in Feb?




14 Jun 2016 06:05:59
Heard Dundee Utd want Bell, if that is the case I hope we don't let them have him for nothing as I know we will want to free up wages. Take anything over 100k not sure how much we paid for Bell think it was 250k yeah? So with a yr left I hope we can get something for him as I'm not a fan of Utd and don't want to do them any favours, what do u think Bears?


1.) 14 Jun 2016 06:16:14
I hope not give that mob nothing.

2.) 14 Jun 2016 07:06:47
Cammy Bell signed on a free transfer.

3.) 14 Jun 2016 09:31:38
The most important thing is to get Bell off the wage bill. That way Rangers can bring in a more competent backup for Foderinghm. Where Cammy Bell ends up is none of our concern.

4.) 14 Jun 2016 13:13:19
If he is not in managers plans best to get him off wage bill asap.

5.) 14 jun 2016 10:39:51
i think we should have given them bell and ian black and ricky fostrer two seasons ago.

6.) 14 Jun 2016 20:06:53
Don't do any business with the feeder club, unless they want us to turn the key in the lock for the final time!

7.) 15 Jun 2016 01:01:22
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12 Jan 2017 00:24:28
Right Bears just a thought on how to go about tryin to get a half decent team team together AND it's a gamble but options are limited, I think if we slimed down the squad by getting rid of 7-8 players and using the wages to bring in 3-4 quality players. Off the too of my head out goes Gilks, I like the guy but guv the place to one if our own up and coming again this idea has got gamble written all over it and Gilks is probably on 5-7k a week. Next Tavs, Kiernan Senderos is away end if season anyways and he must be in anything between 12-15k which is an utter disgrace Hill may be away too, out goes Halliday who I really like but if needs be the he's out prob need to get shot of O'halloran OR Forrester? And its time fir Wags to GO sorry but the lad ain't doing it. Maybe time to cut our losses with Nico dunno and if Aird is never getting a game he goes.
Anyways some positions will need to be covered with Academy lads AND we need to give the new boy Bates a chance at CH at times. So the wages we save with these exits should be used to bring in quality players who will want decent wages these players WILL need to be got on free's which CAN be done just because we get them fir nothing dies NOT mean their worth nothing or their cr*p! . Anyways Bears dunno what u think and I know its nit ideal AND the players mentioned are not written in stone but the idea behind trying to build a team that isn't just going to compete domestically but can get into Europe as we MUST get into the group stges of the Europa. You all prob get what I'm trying to get across SO do u think its a road we should go down?


1.) 12 Jan 2017 04:08:58
Trimming the squad would save us some cash on wages front but if we are to compete and have European ties to play then we need a squad to cope! In that scenario I fear for some of our players meeting the demands of playing euro ties midweek then league games at weekends the likes of windass seem to struggle to string 3/ 4 games together without taking a knock then hill and millers age would come into play! Your point about selling 7/ 8 and bringing in 3-4 makes some sense as it saves us a whack of cash but by replacing gilks with kelly and senderos with bates and bringing burt into pool then that also saves a few grand a week!

2.) 12 Jan 2017 06:35:00
If these players are on the money your claim, and currently no one is screaming to buy them, or claiming that they are great stars of the future, why on earth would they want to leave, and risk earning less elsewhere.

I think your stuck with many of these so called duds, unless you settle their contracts, if you settle, then where is your projected savings coming from.

We have a similar problem across the city, certain duds like effan Ambrose won't go till he gets a new club that meets his demands.

3.) 12 Jan 2017 06:52:57
And what happens if we have as many injuries as we've had this year?

4.) 12 Jan 2017 07:57:29
We have had injuries this year cammoo but even at that there are a few players who haven't featured much we've not been down to bare bones

5.) 12 Jan 2017 07:58:31

I doubt very much that squad would be in Europe long

6.) 12 Jan 2017 08:35:08
That squad would struggle to finish second!

7.) 12 Jan 2017 08:47:36
What squad stewie25? I've tated we need to replace several players with better quality! But what we don't neeed is to bring in 7/ 8 ali crawfords or andrew considine level guys i'd much rather bring in 4/ 5 players of a higher calibre and bulk out the squad by using burt and bates if we had to

8.) 12 Jan 2017 08:51:36
Surely you don't think were going out to sign a whole new squad of players? We are pratted we have to save every penny we can

9.) 12 Jan 2017 09:36:58
Get rid of Waggy, Senderos (leaving anyway), Gilks, Kranjcar, O'hal, Forrester and Halliday.

Bring in Winnall, Burt, Kelly, Bailey Wright, Cyrus Christie and David Davis.

Winnall looks like a goal scorer and Sheffield Wednesday are looking at buying him for just 500k, Burt and Kelly wouldn't cost a thing and look really promising. Bailey Wright is unhappy with lack of game time so we could snatch him on a free. Cyrus Christie is a right back, but if we are going for this 3-5-2 formation instead, he would provide more cover than Tav. David Davis would be better than Halliday all day long, and Forrester is a headless chicken.

10.) 12 Jan 2017 09:55:05
This isn't Fifa we are playing where all those changes would just slot right in, get a grip!

11.) 12 Jan 2017 09:55:45
Well, looks like Winnall is going to Sheffield Wednesday for 500k, absolute bargain.

12.) 12 Jan 2017 10:21:04
Sounds more like a game of cards to me with all those changes. Drop 8 players in the hope that we get 6 better ones that can bed in quickly.

More Lala land opinions!

Focus your energy on supporting the club, getting behind the team, manager and board rather than pretending to know more about football than the professionals.

If I've misread your qualifications, then I apologise Mr Ferguson

13.) 12 Jan 2017 10:41:04
Spot on BR65

14.) 12 Jan 2017 13:21:00
andy I totally disagree with everything u just said . we need decent back ups for our players so wouldn't get rid of gilks and tav is still one I think will be worth good money in a year or two flying rb is easy to sell.
forrester is one our best well most talented players anyways. so letting him go is a mistake i'd give him more game time out on the right.

but if McKay doesn't go through the middle its a waste

15.) 12 Jan 2017 14:40:42
James, while I agree that we need decent backups, more importsnt, we need a couple of players, especially in holding midfield and defence that go straight into the starting eleven. We have failed misreadly to sign a quality holding midfield player / defensive midfield player and that is the only reason that Halliday fills that role.

16.) 12 Jan 2017 16:43:04
there is two players I can think of that would only cost us a wage, Bailey Wright and David Davis, two very good players that top half of the table championship sides want. Preston I believe capped their players wages not to long ago, and birmingham I believe have reduced wages drastically. These are 2 players that would easily improve our defence and cost us nothing except their wage.



12 Dec 2016 00:19:26
Bears. I think that Warbs will do a fair bit of business with the same types of deals he got Rossiter Dodoo and hopefully this lad from Villa, maybe not a lot in Jan but def nxt summer think we will need to be patient but as it stands to possibly see a team with who I've mentioned plus Burton and Hardie would be worth the wait. Can def smell a Cup nxt yr. If we could only get some investment and that fat pie Ashley out we would not be fighting with one hand tied and we will prevail patience Bears.


1.) 12 Dec 2016 06:16:54
The lad from Villa is an unproven 18 year old, Dodoo has done okay but no more and Rossiter is anyone's guess and I don't think this business model should be overplayed. Rangers fans have been unbelievably patient for 4 and a half years as we claw our way back to the top and criticism when it's due is part of the picture. The fans are always honest and the club and team should know how we feel winning and losing.

2.) 12 Dec 2016 07:50:19
It's obvious that when rossiter is fit he will be an asset, dodoo is still young and has a lot of time to prove his worth.

3.) 12 Dec 2016 09:26:10
Couldn't have put it better kfraser.

4.) 12 Dec 2016 15:06:41
I am with Cee as regards Rossiter; when he is fit he will be one of the best players in the Scottish League. Personally I would like to see a couple more young players that are struggling to secure a spot in EPL Teams because of the outlandish transfers that are now standard in the EPL. If we can secure two or three quality young players on 'Bosmans' then that can only help us for the future.

5.) 13 Dec 2016 10:34:09
this business model is all we can afford to do and we need to make money in selling these players and I think they will be good for us in the second half of the season.



19 Oct 2016 03:39:18
Wee subject change: I was listening to Sportsound about a week ago, Derek Ferguson and Scott Macdonald were on the panel amongst others and they discussed Scotland playing at Hampden, both SM and DF agreed that most of our games should be played at Ibrox Parkhead Tyncastle or even Easter Road. We need as much help as possible and any impact the crowd can giv is lost at Hampden, even the size of can go against us with how we are trying to play. Apparently 35k for the Lithuania game, it makes total sense that these types of games should be played at the Old Firms Grounds. Also what a fantastic ADVERT for Scottish football to see a half empty Stadium for a Lge Cup Semi-Final between the sheep and the ton! The SFA should be ashamed of themselves I mean how hard could it be to get this sorted even last yrs Scottish Cup Semi looked gash.


1.) 19 Oct 2016 07:41:00
What about Murrayfield? Holds more than Celtic park and there is talk about it getting used when the lease at hampden is up.

2.) 19 Oct 2016 12:52:12
We should play it doon ma back. Stick some jumpers doon for goalposts or use the washing lines. That's the sort of level the national team have been playing recently anyway. Would suit them.

3.) 19 Oct 2016 15:05:13
it will be the last contract the sfa have with hampden that's for sure. I can see murrayfield being the new national stadium and maybe the great ibrox aswell as that place they call celtic park.



14 Oct 2016 04:44:29
Bears do you ever think we will see a team that has Crooks O'halloran Dodoo and Garner starting? I can't understand why Warbs persists with Wags out right, think he needs to bench the lad as he's off the boil. Would really like to see Crooks as heard he's fit, and with the Manager sayin Roster is still a week away have him Halliday and either Windass Nico or Holt. lookin forward to the game against ICT think there going to park the bus tomorrow tho but feel we WILL have a good game I just hope to see Dodoo and Crooks given a fair crack not just 20-30mins.


1.) 14 Oct 2016 09:58:29
I would not have Garner any where near your team, would advise you play Kenny Misser as he is a far better all round player. Hail Hail.

2.) 14 Oct 2016 10:07:33
Andy I think you'll see one or two starting tonight but bare in mind that it's a long season. There is plenty of time for these lads to get their chance. An injury or a consistent dip in performance from the regulars and these guys will step up. I have no doubt of that.

3.) 14 Oct 2016 12:30:40
My rangers starting 11 tonight against ICT would be
tav, senderos, wilson, wallace,
holt, kranjcar
windass, miller, mckay
Thoughts and opinions on my team fellow bears?

4.) 14 Oct 2016 13:31:44
garner every day of the week over Miller. playing games with that team basically is playing without a striker.

5.) 14 Oct 2016 13:42:41
Giv Garner a game 1.8m! . Use Miller if needed impact player dunno about u guys but does Warbs expect Miller to have the legs for a full 90 or is he doing it the other way about, putting him on and seeing how he goes then putting Garner on. We need pace, I love wee Miller but its prob his last season and we need to start playing Garner AND Dodoo. I trust Warbs he can see in training if Kenny can do a job and there is still a lot of games for these players.

6.) 14 Oct 2016 13:46:46
Andy I've said for a while now I wouldn't have waghorn in team. looks well of pace. Is windass fit for tonight's game would like to see him staying fit and getting a decent run in team.

7.) 14 Oct 2016 13:55:53
I liked garner when i saw him playing with PNE, the few times i've seen him playing for us i've not seen enough yet to think he warrants a start in our team, so going complete opposite to what cee said the now it would be miller everyday of the week over garner, kenny's a big game player and still a top pro although i think garner will be a good signing for us, its all about opinions!

8.) 14 oct 2016 14:05:09
two changes fro that supercoop/ warbs15

tav senderos wilson wallace
holt halliday windass
forrster garner mckay

id bring niko on at the 70 min mark and depending on garners perfomance bring on miller at 60 min mark and if fit dodoo for forrester bout the same time.

9.) 14 Oct 2016 13:55:53
I liked garner when i saw him playing with PNE, the few times i've seen him playing for us i've not seen enough yet to think he warrants a start in our team, so going complete opposite to what cee said the now it would be miller everyday of the week over garner, kenny's a big game player and still a top pro although i think garner will be a good signing for us, its all about opinions!

10.) 14 oct 2016 14:05:09
two changes fro that supercoop/ warbs15

tav senderos wilson wallace
holt halliday windass
forrster garner mckay

id bring niko on at the 70 min mark and depending on garners perfomance bring on miller at 60 min mark and if fit dodoo for forrester bout the same time.

11.) 14 Oct 2016 17:17:56
Im with u james. Big fan of niko but got a feeling tonights not for him.



11 Oct 2016 04:37:21
Question Bears, I did mention on another post but who actually thinks Warbs will play 4-3-3 against the dark side? I really do think Warbs is a intelligent Manager, I think we need to give him time and the squad will perform better as season progresses. Its obvious that Warbs strongly believes in this formation BUT imo it must be changed against certain teams/ venues. I just feel that if we go into the tic game 4-3-3 after being on the receiving end of a 5-1 defeat the abuse will be coming from all angles, I personally think 3 CB's with wing backs alternating is a start, BUT does any Bear out there actually think we will be go to Hampden with the possibility of getting the first piece of silverware of the season and Warbs plays 4-3-3!


1.) 11 Oct 2016 09:07:21
Making a back 3 work takes ages to perfect and work on the training park, i'd rather play the way we do or just stick to a 4231 when defending but the habit of the wingers is that they don't need to defend. Games are won and lost in the midfield in OF games and on second balls anyways, changing to 5 at the back would just invite pressure and our players don't cope very well on the back foot of games.

Need to start fast, high intensity, win the second ball and overun their midfield, keep pace on the wings to move in behind when they come forward as well. Either play waghorn through the middle or don't play him at all becuase McKay is stuck to the left when Waghorn is on the right.

2.) 11 Oct 2016 10:09:25
I often wonder if warbs would consider changing from 4-3-3 for certain games . I mean surely if he had got into Europe this season he wouldn't have played 4-3-3 against the better teams away from home for instance .

3.) 11 Oct 2016 13:04:20
He plays 4-3-3 regardless of who we are playing he's not for changing the formation under any circumstance.

4.) 11 Oct 2016 13:29:23
Our best players are our midfielders and narrowing them down to just three means u have couple of your best sitting doing nothing whilst selik take control of the midfield by playing 5 in the middle of the park which means we don't have any options to play forward .
but if we are to play 4-3-3 niko can't be anywhere near thastarting line up as we need pace and workhorses in there to make up for the lack of numbers.

5.) 11 Oct 2016 13:48:06
Stick to the same formation and tactics but use different personnel and we should give them a decent game. No McKay or Miller starting IMO. I can't see us winning it unless they don't show up but I don't think it'll be another gubbing. Who knows tho, it's an OF on neutral ground - anything can happen.

6.) 11 Oct 2016 15:21:23
Its all about midfield battle and 433 is ideal as long as the mid 3 are proper midfielders, ie not playing forrester or niko as one of these 3 it needs to b 3 who don't mind a scrap! Would like halliday rossiter and crooks in there but unfortunately think its too soon to pitch crooks into OF having not played first team, like windass and forester to be used as the two link players supporting garner, both are very busy and don't mind a scrap either.

7.) 11 Oct 2016 16:56:30
Playing with width is all well and good if you have enough players in the box which we don't half the time i reckon 4.4.2 is the way to go.

8.) 11 Oct 2016 17:44:58
I agree wholeheartedly with Nic-861 when he states its very important that we start with the correct 3 in midfield against celtic, most often than not these games are one by the midfield that is on top during the game, this is where the debate starts regarding which 3 start in our midfield, i agree with alex rae's statement in the daily record this morning, for me 2 of our 3 that imo must start in our midfield against them in the semi has to be holt and halliday, the big headache for me is who is the 3rd member to play beside them, i would personally play rossiter if he's fit beside holt and halliday as our midfield 3!

9.) 11 Oct 2016 18:23:07
Hallidy, windass and holt mid 3 possibly rossiter instead of holt and we'l b fine.

10.) 11 Oct 2016 18:34:12
4-4-2, 4-1-3-2, Either one of these formations for me is a MUST! We definetly need the system against celtic. We will lose the battle in midfeild playing 4-3-3 and Brenda knows this, Leicester played most games 4-4-2 and it worked for them. I think he's going to stick with it tho, if so the players fielded need to take the game to them, I think confidence is vital, the players need to believe that they can nail this formation. On another note I really hope Warbs has addressed the fact that our shots on target ratio is absolutely disgraceful and the lads need to start having a dig once they've worked the ball into decent areas. The lads do have the skill and ability to get their shots on target from around the 18yd box but they don't seem to believe in themselves. So in short if Warbs is going to go 4-3-3 then he must know that the lads are full of confidence and believe in their ability a huge factor in this system. Bold and Ballsy decision if he does but also asking a lot of the players, If at half time it's not coming off then he must change it, could be asking too much of the players up against.

11.) 11 Oct 2016 19:27:14
Bluedie, I wouldn't play windass as one of the 3 midfielders mate, I'd play windass as one of our 3 forwards if anywhere!

12.) 11 Oct 2016 20:55:45
Respect your opinion mate but my reasoning was his powerful running against that mob the last time just a pity he had 2 cart horses in beside him. if he could play up top that wid actually b better as rossiter could be our sitter and let holt and halliday do their stuff alongside him.




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17 Jan 2017 17:00:48
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and IF Gilmour goes on to be the player coaches think he will be then Rangers must take a gamble. If Cheeses are offering 10k a week then if we offer Gilmour 6-7 even 8k a week on a 2yr contract then it makes sense IF teams like Chelsea are still interested we could sell him on for a decent profit, anything over 1m after 1yr would see a good return, BUT the money some top teams are paying for talented young players is mental so 1m is a very low number if the boy is good AND I think he would stay if we could offer him a deal close to Chelsea's BUT it is a gamble and one I think we should take the money we would get now compared to what we would get after he signs is night and day. Thoughts Bears?




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01 Dec 2016 01:29:34
Can someone please tell me if its true that Red Bull cannot have more than one team playing in the same European Competition?


{Ed001's Note - it is correct. Though UEFA will no doubt look the other way if another money is handed out.}



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09 Nov 2016 21:38:14
Yeah i'd be ok with a stand being sponsored but that would be it they could not alter the name eh?




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03 Nov 2016 08:32:17
For XXXX sake the show is XXXXing XXXX! Really XXXXing despise it and it can XXXX off.




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01 Nov 2016 21:10:00
How would this impact on Ashley fiasco and the prospect of being better placed financially? Would hope any such change helps in that department.





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22 Jan 2017 22:19:44
Right Bears I know we all have guys we think we should bring to Ibrox BUT this player is a cracker AND I do not currently play Football Manager, I've seen many clips of him on TV and checked him out on line, the guys name is Erthun Oztumer, he's a wee guy and currently plays for Walsall, and yeah he's a midfielder BUT I think we could get him for anything between 300k-650k a lot for us to be spending the now but I honestly think he would be a brilliant signing especially if we got rid of Barry. I think Walsall got him for 250k, honestly Bears check him out and if anybody knows how let McParland know! So said it first keep an eye out for this guy, think he's 25yrs old and yeah not the biggest at 5'3 but would really like to see him at Ibrox, let me know your thoughts Bears?




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22 Jan 2017 22:03:00
What's Van Der Vart's favoured position and is he a lefty?




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22 Jan 2017 22:00:32
Yeah parky know what your saying so we really do need a winger with a left peg! Wee McKay cannot be as effective and show what he can really do in terms of assists, you can just imagine the opposition team talk whoever is marking McKay (right back) is told stick with him as he WILL cut in onto his right foot it's such a shame for the wee man and I'm shocked Warbs has not even got a left winger in on LOAN!




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22 Jan 2017 20:05:10
Bears, I genuinely think that there is someone out there who will or is considering investing in us, when u think about it the Lge is a two horse race and qualifying for the Champions League nets the club around 20m SO if someone knew his investment would get a return profit and knowing that this would be a long term project surely it would be an attractive investment. This may be la la land but IF someone invested 20-25m over 2 seasons then we won the Lge in the 3rd AND qualified for CL then they would be on there way to getting back there investment, add the ending of the Sports Direct deal then Rangers must look to be a great chance for someone or an consortium to look at. Now and this is super la la land but if Scottish Clubs out with the Old Firm could have an impact in Europe and we got back to the position when the Lge winners qualified automatically and 2nd got into the qualifying rounds, Clubs in Scotland would have a great chance to actually make some cash.
Also bring back the Cup Winners Cup, make the Lge cup a route to this and thus Clubs regarding it as a Mickey Mouse Cup and also give a place to a position in the Lge it would give smaller Clubs the chance of European football and their fans and another source of revenue. So Bears let me know your thoughts on these?




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22 Jan 2017 17:40:22
Bears let me know if it's just me or does anyone else think playing McKay on the left is crazy! Surely he would do far more damage on the right, every defender knows he must cut in on to his right foot to get a decent ball in. Warbs MUST be putting him there due to the fact we do not have an attacking winger with a left foot BUT he should at least let McKay switch during games AND an left winger should be near the top of the list of transfers? So please let me know if any Bears out there agree and what are our current options on the left? Really do feel for Barry as I think he would be far more effective on the right AND if we are looking to sell him he could show his capabilities off even more making him a more attractive transfer hence more dosh. Thoughts Bears