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11 Nov 2013 21:38:45
Fellow fans and supporters!
There is me thinking that we live in a free country with freedom of speech and a free press!
Now I was at the demo at Ibrox on Saturday and along win many hundreds of fellow supporters we marched to the front of the stadium and had a gathering and made our feelings known to the hierarchy in the blue room, unfortunately they would not show their faces and decided to hide behind the blue room curtains? Not bad considering the new "non executive" temporary chairman said the rangers fans where the best in the world? Is this the same guy who is privileged to be the (temporary) chairman and hopes everybody can be pals and get on yet the Ibrox politburo have tried to silence the growing minority.
Let's be clear this was the biggest demo to date and was peaceful and respectful to the forces and families, yet not one word in Sundays press? This was very strange considering their was at least 8-10 photographers taking plenty of pictures why would they then not report the demo? In a couple of words "toxic jack irvine"
How much power does this guy think he has if he wants to silence the supporters?
It should be noted that there was quite a lot of fans applauding when we walked to the front door, but strangely enough their still seems to be a lot of supporters who haven't grasped the seriousness of our situation, it will be too late then and hopefully they won't start moaning about nobody doing anything about our current situation.
I wonder where the photographers went to?
Will the press editors come clean?
Free Scotland free press I don't think so!
We will keep up the pressure till the AGM
Also it should also be further noted the support of big Andy smillie at the front door and also some of the hospitality guests joined in on the singing well done
R R
1.) Realrawnger what do you want a pat on the back? Or to see youself in the paper? There wasnt "many hundreds" as you claim. Its not all down to you pal, please get over yourself as your sounding if its all about you and looking for personal media exposure, and your jack irvine claim, total drivel, honestly
2.) It is very simple, some of us, me included, who are share holders, are not convinced Malcolm Murray, Paul Murray et al are the answer.
Paul Murray was a previous director and was a party to the reason we are where we are. Has he put up any money? No is the answer. Wasnt convinced previously what Malcolm Murray brought to the party and still am not sure, McColl has confirmed that he won't inject cash, Dave King may not pass ( and possibly shouldn't pass going by the SA judges comments) a fit and proper person test.
At least the Easdales have invested and continue to invest cash.
When there is a credible group or individual let me know and maybe I and the vast majority of my fellow fans and shareholders will get behind a change of regime.
3.) @ Waldo mate mccoll said he wouldn't invest while this board wer in charge I'm pretty sure when they get ther men on the board I'm pretty sure ther will be a few wealthy investors plus mccoll said the shareholders he is representing will also invest more money to look after the the shares they already have
4.) We have heard all these empty promises before, remember Craig Whyte was a billionaire! Apparently.
Deal with the here and now, the only people who have put in cash are the Easdales and Paul Murray has the audisity to demand a place on the Board.
5.) 13 Nov 2013 08:15:21
And Andy Smillies support means more than other peoples support then eh?
6.) Big Andy should stick to scaffolding and leave the business development to those who have the potential to develop what we have and bring in new investment
7.) @ Waldo Paul Murray hasn't demanded a seat on the board all he has done is fight for the fans to vote who they want on the board also the easdales aren't the only people who've put money in so stop talking up the chuckle brothers
8.) Do any of you actually know people like Andy Smilie or Alex Morrison? No, I do not think so I have dealt with both of them over a number of years sat at Alex table for Bruno v Tyson fight. Annoys me when people talk out of school about people they do not know.
Both of them are loyal Rangers fans I have seen at hundreds of Rangers games over 35 years, sat behind mister Morrison in main stand with a long term friend that has given me a lot of the information I posted about quite a few months ago.
If people did less personal s***e on here and less talking about things they do not know about we might have more of a chance of unitying against the people that are destroying our club.
On a personal note I have yet to judge the Easdales as like I just said I do not know them, I know of their 'reputation' but that does not affect my judgement, they seem at least to be ACTUAL Rangers fans unlike half the clowns, CW, CG, Mather, Stockbridge etc etc plus you can't argue they havn't put cash in. I do find it hard to take the P Murray stance when in my opinion if PM and the Blue Knights hadn't pissed around offering a deal of staged increments - "£11million pounds when factored out" ffs do you think the average Ranger fan understands this financial lingo? No they understand simple things like £5.5million and Green was able to cleverly just outbid. Had they not been so penny pinching they could easily have afforded say £11million in cash and this whole £22million share loss and £20million Seasons gone too could have been avoided, THINK they would have recovered their £11million by doing a share issue themselves.
That penny pinching attitude and since then STILL not actually putting up rather than talking has led me to feel that a lot of Rangers fans I disagree with actually have a fair argument. I understand Mr McColl maybe wants to play safe, but seriously how big Rangers fanatics are they in reality? I know that 99% of the Rangers support that have funded 2 season sellouts (nearly) would to a man put up £11million or £20 million to get us away from the crooks ffs Geeen said give me £20million and we will walk away. how cheap does that seem now considering we are going to need that sort of injection to survive another year of the type of spending we are seeing at Rangers.
Anyway fed up with BOTH sides as neither strike me as the sort of people I want in charge of my club, the only person I support fully is Mr King as in my opinion he cares and he will put his own money in, he has proved this before.
I see our future as 2nd Admin but we will win the league by 8/10 pts due to squad quality, then a winning bid coming in a CVA, hopfly backed by Mr King as certainly PM and Mr McColl have been a let down for me personally, my only worry is that the Administrator is independent this time with no hidden agenda supporting CW and letting Green in door, a fair Admin is our best hope.
Rant over
RTID george
9.) George, not quite sure if you were having a go at me? Then vertually agreed with me on my original point.
Never mentioned Alex Morrison, don't know the man but I do know Andy Smillie, his company AS Scaffolding have worked for me numerous time over the years. Hopefully this put the record straight and you can get back to ranting about football?
10.) George
I may be wrong but I thought administration happens as a result of having more debt than you can service
How much debt do we have that would make us go into admin again?
JG
14 Oct 2013 21:00:53
Well fellow bears good news at last!
It looks like someone has managed to break this deadlock and expose this band of "great stadium robbers" and today's ruling at the court of session LORD TYRE did just that.
I think special mention must go to Paul Murray for standing up and being counted, he did not waver when they tried to seduce him with the promise of a position if he abandoned his court action and also abandoned his fellow potential board members and shareholders.
I think without doubt chief SPIV Mather and his sidekick Stockbridge positions have now become untenable and they need to go they have been proven to be totally incompetent in running the great Glasgow rangers and stood by and squandered millions of pounds of shareholders and fans money.
Utter disgrace the complete board need to go now!
Mather has been found out and Stockbridge is just a SPIV but both will be held accountable as to what has happened at the club since December and beyond they have still not answered any of the pertinent questions that where asked numerous times by various parties.
Will Stockbridge come clean and tell the fans and shareholders where the cash has gone! (Not likely) will he explain why the IPO cost so much and why £5. 7M was written off?
Will Stockbridge tell the fans and shareholders how much has AND is still being spent on consultants!
Will Mather tell the truth!
Just some of the questions that might need answers before the AGM
Things are at least looking a bit better and I feel the tide is starting to turn and the SPIVS will be removed sooner rather than later
RR
1.) If you want to know where the money went you can view the accounts which are available to all members of the public and have been audited by two independent auditors
Ozzie Al
2.) More money frizzled away on lawyers and qc s mather and co are trying everything they know to hide the money trail, as for the accounts I for 1 still have my reservations on the truth of them, if you read the report delottie state that they signed the accounts off on the financial statements that they received from the club, to me this statement wasnt necessary unless they think there's things that they were not given {Ed001's Note - my ex was an accountant, she used to put a similar wording on every set of books she signed off on. It is just a legal disclaimer, nothing sinister in it, standard practice I believe.}
3.) Well well well real rangers look how things have came. it seems a long time since ten of us stood outside Ibrox wondering where to go with our concerns, now here we are on the brink of victory. hope you saver it when it comes. Les
4.) RR, I agree with your points.
Stockridge seems very comfortable with the figures and yet states that
"Rangers will be down to last £1m by April" and seems to indicate that things are going to plan. SHOW US THE FORECASTS AFTER APRIL 2014 THEN
He agrees that he should not have taken a bonus based on the clubs league win-WELL PAY IT BACK THEN.
He also pledged to clarify one of the resolutions contained in the order of business for the annual meeting, seeming to allow directors and employees to make a loan which would then be converted into equity at a nominal value of 1p per share, essentially meaning that for an investment of £66,000, they could receive 6.6m shares.
We will pass that on to our lawyers, " Stockbridge said, "and look at having that reworded as that is not what is intended by this resolution. " DID THE LAWYERS NOT LOOK AT IT FIRST TIME ROUND?
SO MANY SPIVS, SO LTTLE TIME
5.) I would be concerned regarding Mr P Murray and his Co-Horts not ONE of them is putting up any MONEY.
The ONLY way to BUY a company/business/football club is to BUY SHARES
6.) The time for Paul Murray and his mates to do something for the club was when SDM was willing to sell his shares for gers supporters£1. uine Ran He would have to have repaid Lloyds (17/18M) but through his mates, other well off businessmen, the City and the genuine Rangers supporters I believe that he could have carried it off.
Remember at that time we were in the Premier League, we were in Europe and we had a full squad of "top" players
No Whyte, no Administration, no Liquidation, No Green, No relegation.
Now Murray wants 4 Board seats for 0. 7% of share backing. What a chancer!
7.) 15 Oct 2013 12:10:54
I noticed in Mathers statement about the Club moving forward he explained that "Garrion Services Ltd" had been contracted to carry out vast works at Ibrox, Edmiston House and both shops at Glasgow and Belfast airports. at considerable expense to the Club.
What he didn't mention was that the two Directors of this Company are Charles Green and Brian Stockbridge! This is just another way of fleecing the Club of more millions by them invoicing us for extortionate fees which are paid without question hence building up a substantial bank balance for Green and Stockbridge.
Of course they will withdraw the funds from Garrion for themselves and when that company can't pay the Income tax, it will go into liquidation and no accounts will be filed. Its just another way of transferring funds from Rangers to Green and Stockbridge without them paying any tax as that is the responsibility of Garrion Services Ltd.
That company was formed in September 2012 and Financial Acoounts don"t have to be filed until June 2014.
It makes you wonder how many more Companies have these Board members formed that are also withdrawing vast sums of funds from our Club.
Let's hope our new Board will uncover and expose what these crooks have been up to>
8.) @7 your wrong mate green has been removed as a director of that company, he was also removed from rfc ltd but he remains on the list of directors of rangers retail. Finger by finger his grip is being released
JG
9.) What Green etc are doing via giving services contracts to companies they have an interest in is absolutely NO different to what SDM did, its all a way of passing though revenue to these guys.
10.) If I was a rangers fan I would welcome these new people onto the board but its worrying that they only have 0. 71 of the shares at there disposal
rangobango
28 Sep 2013 16:01:03
Has anybody seen this alleged threat to a board member?
If so can it be viewed any where soon, there appears to be conflicting reports on its alleged threats?does anybody know for sure? If so send a link or post the contents on here please!
I strongly suspect jack and victor are at it trying to split the support, missed the game today but really hope it went according to the plan any updates would be great
RR
1.) Alleged to have been some sort of post on the FF site.
27 Sep 2013 22:49:29
Ed please post this ASAP on every page if possible!
Just read the statement from the club about the alleged threat to a director and his family I think mr Irvine is at the madam and this is absolute rubbish they are actually panicking about the meetings and the fans at last getting together as a very powerful force and they can't stop it legally.
What we have is the politburo in action trying the jack Irvine method of discrediting anybody they can to score points.
I was personally at the meeting tonight and their was not one single mention or attempt to try and incite any trouble! That is a fact and anybody who was there please let everybody know as I think the club are freaking out and trying to get police Scotland to do their dirty work and try and stop any meeting and boycotts etc!
The police can NOT stop you going about your business in a lawful manner!
It looks like they will try and make an example to some fans but this will only galvanise the fans even more and discredit the board even further.
There's me thinking we lived in a democracy and the year is 2013!
I wonder how much this will cost the club? More overtime for police Scotland paid for by Glasgow rangers SPIVS dept.
Keep up the pressure and keep your eyes peeled
The games have begun!
RR
1.) Good to see you back RR upwards and onwards
2.) The board are running scared, making stories up to try to deflect peoples attention from the agm
3.) So you think it was the board posting the vile threatening messages towards individual board members on a site then? Not being clever btw, just asking the question.
4.) @OP.
Take a deep breath and go back to the Rangers website and re-read the statement. You appear to have firmly grasped the wrong end of the stick.
5.) Did green not say he had to live in safe houses when he 1st arrived here?
6.) @op I think you will find on the official statement that rangers said
"The board is also aware that certain individuals are holding meetings and inciting fans to unruly behaviour. This has also been reported to the police"
that is in fact incorrect and that is the main point I was referring to!
the other part I have not seen and I believe it was on FF but listen it would not be impossible for Irvine to have that arranged just to try and split the support and deflect from the fact the fans are beginning to agree.
if you believe everything you read from the official website then that is your choice after all it is a free country.
I just think the board are at the end of their tether and are panicking because the fans are starting to gel together and that causes then real concern, just my opinion
RR
7.) What vile threatening message? I have read the supposed threatening message and there's nothing threatening about it. If anything the poster actually condemns the use of violence and supports the use of peaceful methods.
It's an attempt by the board to discredit the message board in question as they are massively opposed on it and they don't want that to spread across to all fans.
8.) The messages in question were taken down.
Anybody thinking this board are still sending out fake messages to social media are clowns.
Have you not seen the amount of internally leaked emails from Ibrox on twitter? Any director doing so would have to be 100% totally mad.
08 Aug 2013 08:50:27
Redundancies at Ibrox! Although not reported in the mainstream press I can confirm rangers have decided to
Make between 12-14 employees redundant. It has been selective and and the manner the club treated there employees had been nothing short of scandelous. The internal HR department should hold there heads in shame by there actions. Working directly with Mr Stockbridge and Mr mather they have used the running costs as an excuse? (This was after they gave themselves hefty bonuses) according to Mr George Angus (cost consultant from active corporate) the company is hemorrhaging money at an alarming rate! Also during this ongoing process the club have signed 8 players and at least 3 other staff members this of course doesn't include Mr green being re employed as a consultant. I wonder if rangers will disclose how much they have and are still spending on consultants and sub contract companies all linked to Stockbridge, mather and
Green. also don't be fooled by Mr mather and his shiny do good image! He is heavily involved with green and Stockbridge DO NOT TRUST any of them it's all about the cash and how they can get it out of the company. If any one of the trio took a wage cut it would have saved most of the people already made redundant, and helped the one still under threat.
We need answers from the club and hopefully someone reading this has the power to get some answers, real rangers people.
1.) Well about time. Everyone is supposed to go on liquidation.
How do people think you balance the books?
Walter as chairman and Ally's spending spree and their salaries and salaries of their cronies, Durrant etc,. Has caused this.
2.) Apparently according to the Herald - Mather and McCoist are meeting fans tonight at 8pm?
3.) Whatever or whoever runs rangers need to cut costs drastically. If as reported we are losing huge amounts of money. And before ally gets the blame again. It's the bean counters who should decide budgets etc. not first team manager/ coach. Having said that the salaries at the top end of the scale are scandalous.
4.) Was one of the D&P oddities that they didn't bite the bullet during Admin last year. It was the first thing that happened at Hearts.
5.) I think Mather has had a brief to get close and cosy with McCoist (and Walter) and its worked and reaping dividends.
Looks like they are now using McCoist for talking to fans and allaying fears on non footballing matters.
Green has his hand up Mathers back and Mathers has his hand up McCoists back.
Fans shouldn't accept any more words from Jabba or McCoist or Mathers. Show the deeds titles. Show the accounts.
If SDM loved the club why did he get a fortune for Edminston house and car park from the shares money? Why not donate those to a trust and save jobs at Ibrox? That payment has cost jobs.
6.) For the division were in the salaries are to costly but and heres the but,
i think the players wages are fine. Mind the amount of st and merchindise bought it, s the coaches and above that need looked at, anyone buying rangers last year must have known they couldn't take a wage for at least 5 years and maybe even have to put more in, naa it stinks. the fans have had more than enough to put up with without all mr green and co, s mind games we need a bit of good news its gone on way too long?
7.) Could someone help me here?
apart from what they read in papers
how does anyone on a rumours page
know how much the players, Mccoist,
Durrant etc are getting paid?
billy h
8.) Well Billy, it is obvious even to a blind man that the only way a player is going to go from the SPL to Division 2 is for money. let's forget all this playing for Rangers rubbish, its a short career and they need as much as they can make. It is well documented that the money raised form the share issue is all but gone, now the season ticket money is in that will keep it afloat for a few more months but after that. I have to ask why a squad the size and depth of Rangers is required to win Div 2, surely a couple of signings and keeping the money would have been a more sensible solution. The players you have will not do anything in the SPL, they are average at best and they will be years older by the time you get there, if you are not bust again by then. You lot need to stop believing everything Ally tells you, he said CG was good for Rangers and that he had the best interests of Rangers at heart, now he is changing his mind because someone else is in charge, self preservation I believe they call that. I would also be nervous about Paul Murray becoming involved. He wants a seat on the board and yet he didn't put a single penny into your club when it was needed but all of a sudden he is the saviour, he will also be getting a huge salary, bonuses, hospitality if he gets back on the board. why. wasn't he there when it all went wrong the 1st time. time for the fans to become a collective and demand answers before you stumble blindly into following another leech.
9.) Due diligence report for the share flotation. Also the players tend to tell taxi drivers amongst others.
10.) 08 Aug 2013 16:24:23
Cost cutting makes sense especially if they are ridding the club of the dead wood and those that shouldn't have been at teh club in the first place.
Every company that is not wholly successful have staff that are inefficient and taking income under false pretences. The general rule of thumb is that 20% to 30% of employees are totally inefficient and a company, if it can exit those employees can be, ore efficient at a lower cost.
As for the coaching staff I would suggest that we are grossly overstaffed for the division that we are in and in deed I would genuinely ask what difference we would see if we removed McDowall and saved his salary. The same could arguably be said for Durrant as well.
11.) I agree they would only drop down leagues
for more money but still doesn't
answer how people know how much more
or how much they were on at previous clubs
billy h
12.) I for one believe this story. I have personal experience of this redundancy story as a family member was one of the unfortunate few who was scandalously paid off. Citing cost cutting measures as an excuse, while of course bringing back the bold Charles as a consultant and buying at least 3 new players in the time since. The real reason for the redundancies is really very simple. Pay of the contracted staff, get them off the bill, sub contract the work out, obviously to a company linked up to the directors and green and Mather, and most definitely Stockbridge. Charge whatever you want for the work undertaken, pocket whatever profits are made and the job of syphoning company cash is done. These guys on the board are leeches, taking whatever they can get and now that chicos back the s*** is obviously about to hit the fan and these boys will be running for the hills soon. Something is up at our club, admin may not be too far away, a classic tactic to get as much money as possible. Green will use this club as a way to set himself up for life. What is his credentials, how did he make his money, if he actually has any? How did Mather make his, Stockbridge as well? How did these guys come to be our owners and leaders? SDM didn't do a bad job, he made an arse of it in the end, but at least he did things right for the most part. I'd love for him to be back right now and bring some much neede stability and normality to the club. If not him, then certainly mccoll and blin, but not Murray. He's another who shouldn't be trusted. Get green out NOW, and get the rest out as well! STOCKBRIDGE, MATHER AND ALL THE MANY CONSULTANTS THAT THE CLUB IS FINANCING!!
13.) I'm sorry did you say SDM did things well your joking right. He was the beginning on the end. You really are delusional. The club was a play thing to Murray who didn't use any of his own money it was all the banks. Your a lunatic.
14.) Well, sadly, it's to be expected, given that management are sh*tting themselves; so much so, that, they have adopted a buy belt and braces approach to win a title that they should have been able to win without paying out huge sums to average (one or two bellow average) ex higher league players. It seems that history often repeats when win at all costs attitudes prevail.
15.) I'm sick and tired of the financial news being broken out by the papers, the boardroom are obviously all in it by themselves and having an ALL rangers men boardroom effects their legendary status. Look at how smith is beig abused right now, and how everyone's not on Ally's back ( who I support 100%) but remember the PLG saga? He was kicked out for basically s*** results before Christmas, although ally last year had bad circumstances this year he has something to prove. However, at the mean time we need to focus to be ok the back pages and the possible buyers should pay up or shut up, green wants to increase the price of shares and so he should, the more people pay the higher investment, however McColl and co. want to decrease the share price for their own well beig and is refusing a 14 mill investment which is audacious, do we want this man in charge? He's no paying up, however people like Mather have personally invested a million pound and green has paid the oldcos bad Debts, to which he should be praised for. Us rangers fans are so nieve cause of Whytes lies we jump to any rumour about take overs, let's try focus on performances on the pitch and let the board handle the finances, I know they aren't being handles very well with the wages they are getting ( upto 3.3 million between Green, Mccoist, McDowell, durrant and 2 other board members) I do not agree wih this, we should be paying them wages and bonuses when we get to the premier league, we scraped past 3rd division teams last year and the performance against Forfar was diabolical. But anyways, that'll surely change when the trialists will play. i'm a die hard rangers fan and only want the best for my club, however I really want these possible buyers to look at the clubs interest, not their own so there's a cheaper investment by them. Thoughts? Would love to hear others thoughts on this so I don't seem a critic.
16.) Credibility gone with statement that Murray did a good job. I doubt if there has been an owner of a Club in Scotland, maybe even the UK, that syphoned off more money to Companies owned or controlled by him than Murray did.
For me we needed new players, playing staff are much more important that administration staff and we seemed to have a lot of them.
The only thing that I would question is the criteria deployed to cut the operating costs. After all, from what I remember, there were a number of people on our payroll during Bain's tenure that had no love for the club. Hopefully they were the first to go!
17.) First and most important: My Thoughts and best wishes to those impacted individuals. Difficult time. To be kicked in the teeth by redundancy is bad at any time, but if they are fans of the club, they will have a special connection with the employer that is casting them aside, which will make it doubly galling.
Had you a proper administrator during admin1 instead of the self serving Murray/Whyte/Green stitch up that looks increasingly like a conflation of conspiracies, costs would have been cut - like at hearts and Dunfermline- but at least this would have been in the long term interest of the organisation and its creditors, instead of to line the pockets of johnny come lately charlatans.
A great many have predicted it already, but the hill has been crested and the next admin is now hoving into view.
Do things differently this time bears! You didn't make too many friends or gain much influence last time!
(Caley fan!)
18.) It's a terrible situation when people have to be made redundant due to financial constraints, but didn't this exact same scenario happen to other business's when you failed to pay them what they were owed?
19.) To Billy: I agree with you in part mate, no-one knows the full facts / figures but you can't honestly believe that all is well at the moment, if they are saying there is a combined £10m in the bank accounts I believe the picture is not as rosy as that. I really do fear the worst.
20.) The team will go into administration again. What people don't understand is that football is a business today, the past does not matter. Rangers are being run horribly and the owners are in it to take out as much money as they can. Rangers are not even worth a large transfer fee in the Premiership today, think about that. The grounds are poor and falling apart. There is no where to go but down for the club. Money cannot and will not ever be made in Scotland. Celtic will start to have trouble as well if they can't get Champions League money. Its over.
21.) If Rangers goes into Admin again, it will be a disaster. Probably means no promotion which in turn will dent the value of the club. Better to cut costs now and finish second or third than go for a stunning first.
Other than that the numbers for Scottish footy look grim anyway. Yes, only European money keeps Celtic playing at that level. And without that money, what chance Rangers of getting back to top 2? Hearts tried and failed dismally. So did Dundee before them.
What's needed is a leaner team. With the fans and stadium that should still equate to SPL footy. But the club needs decent management, not wide boys who just ultimately the club into administration when they can't bleed any more cash from it.
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17 Mar 2015 22:36:07
I was listening to the radio phone in the other night and we now have Celtic fans queuing up to tell us what is wrong with our stadium? Why? we already know this and it does raise some serious question about the structure within the clubs management!
We already employ a facilities manager on a salary of £33K per year, this would seem to be excessive in light of the new revelations by the Celtic fans saying the roof is falling off etc, etc.
It would appear our own are failing in there duty of care to the club and supporters, maybe the new board should be asking some questions on who is supposed to keep the stadium safe and up to reasonable standard, I would hope this could be done otherwise get somebody who can do the job correctly, this would then prevent the other mob from again telling us what is wrong with our club again!
RR
1.) 18 Mar 2015 11:49:41
It don't matter how well you do your job if every time you ask your boss for a budget to do the repairs he answers no money/ other priorities.
2.) 18 Mar 2015 16:05:20
£33k a year for facilities Manager isn't exactly a massive Wage.
3.) 18 Mar 2015 17:33:13
That was the first thing Mr king mentioned when he walked out the door after winning the vote, the state of the stadium
12 Mar 2015 23:11:59
I think we need to congratulate the new board in some of the swift decisions that have been made in the space of a week.
We control the PLC and football boards with majority voting rights, we have moved to ostracise the Ashley connection, we have installed a new board with a strong corporate balance.
The removal of the easdales and wee toxic is a big step in the cleansing process, the two puppets of Spivs direct will probably be suspended for some time until the investigation uncovers what has been going on at executive level, although cashley could still try and appoint two directors until his loan has been paid up, this I think would be of no benefit to cashley as they could not change any decisions, and would be in effect powerless and probably unwelcomed
The appointment of Mccoll is no bad thing and I hope he manages to get more from this bunch of so called players than the previous incumbents! We should support him and pray he can turn this mess around, I don't think he will but I hope he can. I think these players are not interested in playing for the jersey only for the money. So unless there is a dramatic turnaround we will need to watch and hope.
I hope the board can ratify the issue with ally and clear the back room team and start a fresh, I think they should all leave as they have had there chances and are all clearly lacking.
The next phase that the board can hopefully clear up is the ownership issue, the hidden shareholder i.e BPH and margareta holdings (although this is not as critical due to there smaller share holdings) but I think transparency and honesty are the keyword from Kingco and T3B so let's clear up these issues and then keep us informed of the forensic audit that will be taking place
It is your duty to keep the fans informed
So in essence the first week has been very good the rest will take time and we appreciate this but communication is key to prevent further disdain.
RR
1.) 13 Mar 2015 09:35:46
Absolutely spot on. The board hasn't hung about. They know they have to get things moving and they have done that. They are addressing the problems and keeping the fans informed at the same time. That was all we the fans have ever wanted. The way the old board treated everybody was absolutely shocking. Better times ahead. Let's hope the players can respond and push the club through back to the top flight where an institution like Rangers will always belong
2.) 13 Mar 2015 10:28:29
OK, so what problems have they addressed (apart from bringing in a manager) and what have they informed us about?
Serious question.
3.) 13 Mar 2015 14:30:48
ERM, suspended 2 rats, got rid of another 2, brought in a new manager, changed the whole atmosphere around the club, all in less than a week?
4.) 13 Mar 2015 16:02:56
Ashley still has the right to put 2 back on the board, or he calls in the loan(s).
I think the last one is the only thing, people feel better because they feel that someone they can trust is in charge.
So it's faith. That they aren't hiding anything from us.
Unfortunately feeling better isn't going to help when we're skint and wages need paying, and the taxman is breathing down our neck.
5.) 13 Mar 2015 22:02:44
Disinterested I for one wish you were disinterested in all things Rangers you must be a deeply negative person as I don't think you have ever posted one positive thing your first post is laughable!! What have they done are you serious? Are you Mike Ashley in disguise?
Serious question
6.) 13 Mar 2015 23:53:17
Expat its rumoured ashley is allowed 2 guys on the board, I ask you were are they then, if everything ashley done was alllegal and above board I think he would have 2 new puppets sitting on board so ask yourself why he hss not done so.could he have fallen foul of the rules, just asking mind
{Ed001's Note - or he could be waiting until the new board sort things out and then bring in his 2 men?}
7.) 14 Mar 2015 12:12:47
Ed that's a possibility, but surely he knows any two of his lot will be over ruled in anything they try to do,
8.) 16 Mar 2015 09:06:47
Edward is labouring under the impression that board decisions are a matter of "most people win".
But then the IQ of most of our fans was never that high, even though many of them profess all sorts of business and legal knowledge these days.
07 Mar 2015 08:58:39
Well fellow bears another day in the life of Rangers? It will be tough and we will have a few shaky moments going forward but I think 86% of our fellow shareholders and probably 92% of ordinary fans will be delighted that Dave king, John Gilligan and Paul Murray and dougie park have returned to save our club, I think honesty and transparency will be the order of the day and there will be a lot to uncover, stability will be very important but we need to get harmony and stability on the park as well, we need these remaining players to get a grip for the remaining games as I am sure the fans will do there bit by attending in huge numbers, so let's see if any of them deserve To stay at our club? I personally think we will only be able to select about five or six From the present pool who might be saved.
We will need to get back supporting the club, but I would without a doubt still boycott anything from Spivs direct, Ashley has already shown his true colours with his actions and the behaviour of his two puppets lyinass and leech!
I hope Kingco keep the fans informed on who has been involved in "the great stadium robbery" and what action will be taken.
I would suspect he will have some cleansing to do once he get inside the club as he quite rightly said the stadium is an absolute shambles! Why has this been allowed to happen? They have a "facilities manager" (?) who is on £33K a year! And this guy is about as much use of a chocolate frog on a hot radiator, absolute waste of money with no knowledge of how to run a stadium, they have used contractors and sub contractors over the last 3 years but NO progress in the stadium? Which beg's the question what have these people being doing?
Still many issues that need to be addressed but hopefully with the new regime that will soon sort this mess out, hopefully they don't use the same people who have squandered the last 3 years budgets?
Otherwise let's get back and try and get the club back to the top where we belong.
RR
04 Mar 2015 22:32:24
Now we have seen what Spivs direct and its cohorts are all about!
And people actually still think Ashley is the man? This guy does. Not give a f**k about our club he has manipulated all the recent events. Out of pure spite, because he has been held to account by Kingco and the SFA and he doesn't like being told what to do so he decided to cause havoc and try and scare the shareholders!
Let's look at the scenario
1 king declared weeks ago he would dismiss the NOMAD as soon as he took control
2 the loan facility of £5M was already in his plans and was going to be paid back so the conditions in place for this facility would be cancelled
3 the second tranche of £5M that is attempted to be drawn down ( it's has not been drawn down and in all probability it won't be available before Friday due To the EGMND and The NOMAD resigning) won't be used and in turn cancelled and all conditions also cancelled therefor the two director appointments will no longer apply.
4 Kingco and the three bears have probably perceived all of the events today and had a counter plan to counter this.
What it proves beyond all reasonable doubt is this bunch of "great stadium robbers" have robbed, pilfered, stolen, hidden and spent millions of pounds of the clubs money over the last 3 years, special, mention must go to green, Ahmed, Stockbridge, why're, SDM Mather, Ashley the two bus boys and not forgetting somers, they have been an absolute disgrace to any law abiding accountant, financial expert and director who go about there business in a honest and transparent way.
This lot have been in biblical terms an Armageddon to our club and if there is not wholesale arrests and questioning by the SFO the stock market regulator, and police forces in Scotland, England and the city of London I will be astounded. If there has ever been a more public pillaging of a football club then I havnt seen it yet!
(Leeds Utd went through a very similar thing and Sheffield utd? With big Chico heavily involved again)
And finally the NOMAD? Why are these people even allowed to trade on AIM there has been several blatant breaches of the rules and corrections to the RNS because of this incompetant company and Daniel Stewart both heavily linked to another shyster of the highest order please stand up Mr Paul Shackelton
This guy is an embarrassment to the financial industry and the LSE Need to take a very long hard look at this guy!
RR
1.) 05 Mar 2015 09:16:12
Well said that man!
2.) 05 Mar 2015 09:16:39
Powerful and accurate post my friend. Ashley has shown his true colours in the past week, firstly his non appearance with the SFA then his stay away tactics with the Parliamentary Committee re his despicable business actions involving his workers. He hides from confrontation himself.
No matter how much he was fined by the SFA --- HE WAS FOUND GUILTY
No matter what tactics he uses in his future involvement with Rangers I can assure you that Dave King will better him.
All of you King bashers ----- Get wise Dave King is ten times the businessman you think he is.
3.) 05 Mar 2015 09:26:10
Excellent post
4.) 05 Mar 2015 09:27:51
You do know that a NOMAD is the only reason Rangers can trade on the AIM, they are the respected company that vouches for the basked case to his AIMy friends? And we've gotten through 5 of them in 3 years, WH Ireland being one of the biggest and most respected?
Time to get a grip.
5.) 05 Mar 2015 11:12:06
I really do frown on most of your posts. I have a fair knowledge of AIM and I find your comments a little infantile.
Every company trading on AIM has a Nominated Advisor and can change them as they wish and for whatever reason. I bow to you superior knowledge regarding the number of NOMADS the present collection of misfits have gone through -----BUT don't you think that that is an indication of the Ashley gang not being able to deal with all those NOMADS who went before because they were waiting for an organisation like WH IRELAND to come along so that they could manipulate them?????
You seem to be good at numbers Sir ---tell me this, how many times did your favourite (and best) NOMAD have to trundle back to to the AIM market and apologies for eroneous statements??
I wonder if their track record with Ashley and his cohorts has anything to do with THEIR dip in profits thi year
AND FINALLY -- DO NOT USE THE TERM --- "WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH" --- First of it's really bad English (lol)and secondly it was on Ashley's instructions that THEY went through your NOMADS.
By the way I AM AN INTERESTED EXPAT happily on the Dave King bandstand
6.) 05 Mar 2015 14:11:20
That's fine Kerrymac, there are only 40 or so NOMADS on the AIM, so we still have 35 to get through.
As for the rest of it, I'm already resigned to this car crash, and will never abandon Rangers even if their fans are once again cheering one spiv over another. I love the team, the fans. well, let's just say they are not the cleverest in the world.
Now we'll see what sort of mess King has got us into.
7.) 05 Mar 2015 14:52:22
How do you people know king is a good business man? The 44 million he have south Africa tax authorities must've been a gift and not because he was avoiding tax.
01 Mar 2015 14:55:59
It's getting close to D Day and the countdown has begun, I still think we should keep our seat belts on until this gravy train comes to a complete stop!
I think Spivs direct and co have the desire to mess Kingco about until the last possible moment, and remember cashley will probably try and appoint another director, the thing that makes me wonder is although lameass and leech will be removed as directors they will still be employed by the club, this in my opinion must be one of the first things Kingco should address and have them removed from the club sooner rather than later we must be cleansed of all things Spivs direct then deal with all the enerous contracts that still remain and also who allowed them to be passed as in the best interests of the club?
So hang fire fellow bears and be patient and very vigilant, and more importantly if you hadn't proxied your vote do it now
RR
1.) 01 Mar 2015 15:12:57
Aye, there is no way they are going quietly. If a chance to stick the knife in comes about, you can be sure they will take that option. How many financial trap doors will be left to the incoming board? Getting rid of the crooks is only the first step of many required. Feeling optimistic although there is still a small amount of doubt. Here's to the road forward, slainte mhath bears.
2.) 01 Mar 2015 15:36:27
the only way u will get rid of them is pay the second loan back and I suspect king and co won't want to do that quickly until they get the feel for and investigate past company dealings remember with this being a share purchase by many different share holders there can be no due diligence so up to a point they are going in blind to see what the state of the clubs finances are
3.) 01 Mar 2015 16:25:10
And for those who still doubt DK remember, it was him and Mr Johnston who pleaded with the rat Murray not to do this to our club, without Dave king now, were would we be? The new board members will outvote anything lambass and the leech do or say, I just hope tweedledumber follows his brother and sells to Dave
4.) 01 Mar 2015 18:38:38
tommy 51 king and co could could have bought the club out of liquidation but did not have the balls because they thought they would have to takeover the contracts o f the first team squad and the uncertainty of what league they would be in if any they thought that they could sit back and wait for green to sort things out then give him couple of million to go away even when he asked for £14 milion to walk they baulked at that if green had not been such a bandit he achieved a miracle by raising the money he did unfortunetly he and his compadres took the most of it away with them king and company have spent more buying shares which none of the money went to the club and hopefully they can entise the missing fans back because to my mind that might not be as easy as everyone thinks
5.) 01 Mar 2015 20:15:44
Bigwull what makes you so sure the second loan has been brought down?
{Ed039's Note - The drawdown of the second tranche of £5m would have to have been made public in an announcement to the stock exchange)
6.) 01 Mar 2015 20:52:34
because there has been no announcement the second tranche depended on due diligence by ashley and co and if that had been concluded it would have to be announced to the market
7.) 01 Mar 2015 21:05:48
Bigwull, things were kept under wraps when green and his dogs bought the club, also Mr king had other business to attend to, would u rather Dave King didn't want to know? And our club died a slow death?, you don't seem to grasp that at this moment in time Dave King is trying to save Rangers, he was lied to by the rat Murray, some good people came out of the old Rangers board, and everyone of them pleaded with the rat not to sell, (£1) King had a long running case with the authorities in SA he never shirked it, he fought, and in his opinion he won, to an extent, now we, re on the verge of having wealthy, clever business people who are Rangers men and know what the club means to us, that do for me m8
8.) 01 Mar 2015 21:32:40
Bigwull exactly and I have been trying to put you right on the 2nd 5 million not yet in play, it's you that's always saying the new board would need to pay the 10. Million loan I always tried pointing out to you that the loan was only 5 million.
Therealranger's rumour replies
The big screens where installed by a company called ELONEX and they have the agreement between the club and themselves to share advertising revenue throughout the stadium including trackside. Advertising and also included is the concourse televisions, this was all installed by ELONEX At no cost to rangers! Although Stockbridge claims differently? Remember the "snapshot"of the expenditure of the £22M it would not surprise me if Chico and his gang have there paws in that venture as well!
Therealranger's banter replies
12 Mar 2015 22:50:04
George good luck supporting the team, I am sure you will pop in now and then to see what is happening going forward, you my friend have been absolutely brilliant over the last 2/3 years and your predictions where although not always 100% you where almost always on the button, I will miss your debates and your great posts
So good luck George and keep the faith!
As you know there is still some work to be done to conclude "the great stadium robbery" and I will be pursing this line to expose the sad few who still hide behind the badge! But karma usually balances itself over time!
I look forward to the occasional post, by the way what name Is your sis using?
RR
05 Mar 2015 17:03:18
Well said dounebear I agree 100%
04 Mar 2015 22:48:32
Well put I am George you know more than most how this mob work and they have done the whole "great stadium robbery" by the book! Once the game is up on Friday that's when the real work begins, and I agree with some of the other replies about giving Kingco time and we must support them and be very patient as there will be paper trails going halfway round the world trying to cover there asses, but one thing for sure Kingco are nobodies mugs either and they will prevail with the help and support of the fans and the wider Rangers high rollers
Roll on Friday!!
RR
02 Mar 2015 13:17:53
Wullie I think it will be more than two!, remember one of the twins remains on the football board why!, plus there are some insider traders who need to get moved on very soon
RR
I am George, you are bang on the money as usual, this mob will withdraw every last penny from the bank of Ibrox until they eventually get a decline, as you and many other posters and ED's have said previously this mob are professional crooks and know every trick in the book to make sure they all get there kickback "the great stadium robbery" is still active and will only end once king and T3B get in and start to unravel this mountain of paperwork left behind, I will certainly be giving them any assistant and guidance to highlight the "insider traders" who are still at it right now hiding behind whoever is in charge, I'm sure Mr king will be delighted to know who they are! Any make sure they are removed from the club, because in my opinion they are as bad if not worse than the current and previous board members.