Rangers Banter Archive December 10 2012

10 Dec 2012 21:35:14
@gaz

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In 2011/12 Wolves revenue (in the EPL) was £60.6m, in 2010/2011 hardly a great season for Celtic, precious little European football, Rangers winning the league, Celtic's revenue was £52.6m (which was a drop of £9m on the previous season). So for all their tv money, which now is a fraction of last season, Wolves lack of European football and much smaller gates more than balance the books in Celtic's favour

when i said Wolves got 40 mil and celtic wouldn't earn that much by getting all domestic trophy's and reaching Cl final i was not talking about turnover i was talking about prize money and i was trying to point out how unbalanced and how unfair it all is i was not having a dig at Celtic

im sure most would agree that if a team the size of celtic won all domestic competition and reached the CL final they should receive more in prize money than the team that comes last in the EPL

Lochaber bear

Lochaber Bear, that is either the amount of cash they got from the pool of tv revenue or it is inclusive of their "parachute" cash for being relegated. I don't think above and beyond their tv money they got £40m for being last in that division, so it isn't really prize money as we know it. It is merely what (as a bare minimum) any club gets if they are in the EPL.

Personally I don't think it's unfair, they play in a country ten times bigger than ours in a very competitive league, that is marketable worldwide due to some of the very famous clubs in the division. It means we are struggling to compete financially but with crowds dipping to 25,000 and no chance in hell of European football I think both the old firm have been guilty of pleading poverty by comparison with Championship teams when the reality is our revenue actually outstrips them given Euro cash and huge gates.

Put it this way, the Deloitte top 20 European earners list that Celtic and Rangers were frequently in some years back, when the hell did you ever see Wolves and the like in it? Generally no more than seven EPL teams made that list when we were in it. Euro cash and huge fan bases always kept us up there. The difference is that £40m is what I call easy money. In other words you get it merely for being there. We need to work hard, get onfield success and continue to be supported by huge fan bases to earn ours. But ultimately we both do out-revenue these teams more seasons than not.

Gaz {Ed001's Note - they didn't get parachute payments then, Wolves I mean.}

Well, I think it is quite obvious that both Shelftic and The Rangers would be very wealthy clubs if they were to play in the EPL! And I don't think it would too far from the truth to suggest that if the two Glasgow teams were ever to play in the EPL that they would both be in the top four in the revrnue stakes! They would also be very competitive with regard to buying top class players also!
I believe that there is probably only 4 clubs in the EPL with a worldwide fan base that could out do both the Glasgow clubs!
I believe that that is one of the main reasons the EPL will never invite them to play (plus the fact that there is a border separating two different FAs!)

Cheers Ed, wasn't sure when exactly it related to. But either way it isn't prize money for success, just purely pooled cash and bottom of the division happens to get £40m, not bad work if you can get it :)

10 Dec 2012 20:23:07
Question for all Gers fans. Now that Lafferty is taking Rangers to court does that make him just as contemptible as Whyte?

Bears you don't like us, or our views regarding your club, but come on now credit where its due....we told you from the start Gyrafferty was a PR*CK of the highest order. lol

@1 I remember him being a person to your flesh when he was banging the ball into the net at kilmarnock for our 54th title

JG

10 Dec 2012 19:26:24
Why isn't Stella playing?! I'm sorry but ally was stupid buying big Kevin Kyle, yes he has scored two but how long before he gets injured? I guarantee that over Christmas he will be out of team due to excessive eating of mince pies and KFC. We can beat our good friends dundee utd but if we met Celtic or iverness CT I could see an exit. As much as I love Ally when we are back at the top league we should say thanks and give him the boot because while he is a legend look at his tactics and transfers ,little in RM,in fact the only Stella ally likes is the beer! WATP

10 Dec 2012 16:52:33
Fellow bears, help me out here. The Dhims at work are trying to rip me a new one after our glorious 140years celebration by claiming it was a wake.

Tried to explain to the diddies that it was just the company that ran Rangers that crashed but they are shouting that the company bought and paid for the stadium, players and trophies and asking me to explain what was left.

I told them Green bought all of that but they are saying that's like buying some old soldier's medals off ebay and claiming you won them yourself.

I was a bit stumped then and now they are all ripping me a new one.

I need an answer quick! Anybody help?

I'm sure Jim Traynor is working on a reply for you even as as we speak.

Easy:

Elvis is dead but their is loads of tribute acts

Rangers FC is dead and a new company called rangers international FC started same strips same manger etc but the history stops at 54 league titles green smith all say its a new company why can't you face facts ! 'Claiming' to be rangers FC is a tribute act your a new football team !

Lenny

Tell your fellow tim friends that a company could never win a medal but a football club can and Rangers have won more than any other team in the world -- end of

The club did wind up but cg paid for the history, he said so.

@4 Yes,he said so ----along with lots of other rubbish.

Easy

rangers football club was an asset of the corporate company. Charles green bought the assets of the corporate company along with its honours and titles these assets are called rangers football club

its like a local taxi firm going bust included in their assets there is 5 old cars you buy these cars along with with there service history you decide to start a new taxi firm do these cars suddenly become new cars and does the service history and mot become invalid no it dont you have bought another company's assets and everything it goes with it just as Charles Green did

End of

Lochaber Bear

If were not Rangers and this tribute act as you call us, can you explain your reason for replying on a Rangers banter site?
The only people who cannot accept that Rangers did not die are the people who tried their best to finish us, the bogus calls to chairmen etc ring any bells?

So Lenny please give up with this one it's pathetic, back to the pacific shelf argument yet again. PB

10 Dec 2012 20:16:47
@4: why didn't he say he'd do that if the cva failed instead of claiming the history would end if it did? Surely he must have known he'd be able to do what he did? Or was it all just emotive bluster?

Can't believe you let Celtic fans rip you a new one. Next time they attempt to rip you a new one about the Gers jst ask them why they are so freakin INTERESTED in a "brand new club" that has no relevance to them or their club. Then just tell them that their strong interest in "the brand new club" only contradicts their belief that Rangers don't exist as Rangers are their only INTEREST.

You should emphasize the word "interest".....it get's on their raspberry ripples ;).

It worked for me.

TTG

Just wait till were back in the top flight and we will see whos a tribute act the worst of it is u Tims know its coming "This is Just the Beginning" and all that Lemmon will be off use will be managed by Pat Fenlon & James Forrest ur star attraction. Whats that Ally McCoist has another SPL Winners medal who with OH RANGERS! PMSL FAIL FAIL WATP Bouncy at the cross!

Larky Bear

CG has never said he bought the history, he said when proposing the CVA that if it failed, the history would die. CG in fact said he bought the "honours" ie whatever was lying around the trophy room at the time.

G93

I had the same conversation with two of the oracles from the east at the weekend same drivel being spouted by them.
What astonishes me is any time I hear this it is almost word for word so therefore either they are being given a script or some blogger some were is posting the rubbish for them to spout.

Anyway it only confirms to me what I have always thought that lot cannot think for themselves some has to do it for them and provide guidance.

Let the bhoys know that they are absolutely correct, and that the old Rangers head to head record against the Sellik will remain forever in our favour,and ask them how long it will take them to match the 120 domestic trophies won by us(If they won everything for the next EIGHT years , they might!), and ask them to bide their time until we are again forcing them to bleat about injustice when we are back kicking their erchies again...and new/old /sevco/zombie, will will still chase their hypocritical/whinging/persecuted everywhere.

10 Dec 2012 21:24:31
@9: wouldn't anyone be INTERESTED in the newest club in the league system in Scotland?

10 Dec 2012 21:26:21
@10: you think a clueless manager (proven after all going by his record so far) will really do that? Have you started the Christmas drinking early?

10 Dec 2012 21:38:51
@12: just like all those who come out with the 'obsessed' stuff on here? They can't come up with anything original either.

@ 14),

The only interest is from Celtic fans, and it's a strong interest, not a slight interest.

TTG

10 Dec 2012 22:28:13
@17: it's not just from Celtic fans. The new delusion is very entertaining and that's of interest to all fans. Keep deluding yourself it's just Celtic fans if it makes you happy though.

1903

Re 13 who cares about head to head wins and how long it will take to match trophy wins by your team.There are two that celtic will never match (1) we will never concede a cup tie to you, as did rangers when drawn against you in the then glasgow cup 1970/71.( 2)We will never be playing our football in the 4th tier of scottish football.Jamie.

Yes No 6 you have . The cars retain their age and all other external attributes but the company is new. Its not the same company just the same cars.
As your director of communication and your chief exex / Head DelBoy or whatever have said publicly - the rejection of the cva meant the end of rangers.
They are no more, they have ceased to be, bereft of life they rest in peace. Theyve shuffled off this mortal coil and joined the choir invisible.
They are an ex football club.

The last word ladies belongs to Lord Nimmo-Smith.....
SevcoRangers has never played in the SPL or Europe. Hey ho.... Over and out.
Green wanted it to be The Rangers Football Club plc but was ordered to change it. How will he get INTERNATIONAL welded onto those gates?

Oh here we go AGAIN, I will put to you bears a question ( again), If you are old Rangers, why were you not deducted point's for being in administration, why were you not seeded in the Scottish/league cup. Await your answer's.
Tam

Careful Jamie. A couple of years ago no-one would have said we would be playing in the fourth tier and in 1992 no-one would have said that Celtic would be a matter of hours from closing their doors and shutting up shop two years later. 'Never' is a strong word.

Brian

Hey Tam. Clubs don't go into administration, companies do. You can't liquidate a club but you can liquidate the company that runs it. The new company which now retains Rangers assets, footballing shares etc is not in administration and never has been so naturally wouldn't be liable for a points deduction. The old company would have been but the shares (the same SFA share) were transferred between the companies before the season began so the old company was no longer attached to the club and a penalty would not be justifiable. ;-)

We entered the cup competitions at exactly the same time as the other Division 3 clubs on a level playing field. If we were a brand new club would we not have had to play in the two pre qualifying rounds with the amateur teams? Are you asking for us to have received preferential treatment over all of the other teams above us who would naturally be seeded higher given their league status compared to ours? Surely not. Previous winners or not we are now a Division 3 team and none of the teams in our league were seeded. As for the Ramsden's, if your argument is to do with historical seeding, we had never played in it before so could not expect to be seeded for it. ;-)

Hope that helps, lol.

Brian

Brian Old Rangers have not been liquidated yet they are in administration, Where are they now ?. The Rangers are playing in the third division not oldco but newco, ask jabba,Charlie and Walter. I know in your heart it will alway's be Rangers to you but I know in your head you will face the truth.
Tam

At Brian if ure not a new club then why the vote to go to division 3. Why did all the players leave for nothing. U are only picking the bits that suits you

TRFC now TRIFC - only TRIFCIA and TRIFCIL to goooo

del boy triffic

@9 Can I make an attempt to answer your question. It is my assumption that most of the supporters of the team currently playing out of Ibrox were fans of Rangers and vice versa. Given the historical animosity between fans of Rangers and fans of Celtic it is quite understandable that Celtic fans would continue with their rivalry with fans of Rangers irrespective of who they move their allegiance to.
Al

Al. And if they suddenly became Celtic supporters if it is irrespective who they move their allegiance to, lol?

Tam + 26. 'The Rangers', 'oldco', 'newco' nor 'Sevco' play in the 3rd Division. Rangers, however, do, check the SFA and SFL websites. As I said all of those refer to company names and not a football team. Of course I am picking out the bits that suit my argument just as you guys are but the players left because they refused to transfer between companies (TUPE relates to company law does it not, rather than club law, and if you can't liquidate a club? Plus if it were a new club would transfer fees not be involved from one company to the other, lol?). The vote to go to Division 3 only happened in the first place as the SPL teams (who had no rules in place to follow despite eight months notice) were desperate to keep us as close to them as possible and were pushing for inclusion in the First Division. The vote came about because it WAS about Rangers (same as would have happened if it were Celtic).

We will find out in due course anyway when BDO finally have their say but as it stands I will take heed of HMRC ("Rangers - not The Rangers - can move on from here"), the SFA, SFL (league tables and any attached paraphernalia list the club as Rangers - nothing else) and my heart over my head and your long list of individuals. The day, IF it comes (you were all adamant you would be proven right about BTC too), when the crest, name, strips, mascot etc have to be changed will be the day when there will be no doubt about who is right.

Brian

10 Dec 2012 16:33:20
So a big well done to a bluenose winning the x factor last night James Arthur.

Only problem is it was clearly fixed by the establishment for him to win that with Simon cowell being a Mason he must be a rangers fan therefore must have fixed the vote for brother James to win lol.

I jest however that is one lot of p**h I've heard

Jamie

Well done to james a true blue bet the spl will want a recount

Has it got to the stage we are aguing about X factor now. Because if so, thats my line...i've had enough honestly. James Arthur? miserably sour faced excuse for a talent. Get back to the football eh.

OP he won even despite the boycott of votes from others

JG

A true blue is someone who will follow the team week in week out.
how many times has james arthur been to ibrox to watch rangers.jimbo

10 Dec 2012 15:15:13
dont know what rangers fans think
but renaming any staduim with
historys like ours should be off
limits, we may not have the most
money, best players , competive
league but we do have a fantastic
history why ruin that if celtic
ever tried to rename cp
with any brand name i would
boycott money should not buy
everything

I personally don't have a problem with the naming rights of the stadium. It will always be Ibrox to me, no matter what. I understand that there are some fans who have an emotive reason for not wanting change, my old man is one of them. He remembers 1971 and out of respect to those that passed away, does not want a name change.

A possible option is to let the naming rights be used for say, 5 years - then revert back to Ibrox for, i dunno, 3 years before being offered out again.

If the majority of fans back the name changing idea, then it should an avenue definitely worth looking at.

Just an thought. bigbaz

Money rules the world my friend and in these tight times you would have to be silly not to explore every possible revenue they can call it whatever they want for me I will still call it ibrox so why the fuss

Couldnt care less! We need the money! Take the best deal on offer. Rename it whatever you like. Every other Saturday I'll ask my mates .. "Are you going to Ibrox tomorrow?" That will never change!

OP - so again boycotts are acceptable when required for your agenda

JG

Please explain to me how thats the
same.
i would boycott my team cos of my owners dealings.

most rangers fans are boycotting other teams for what their prev owners dealings

10 Dec 2012 09:13:25
It really does make me laugh when I see Celtic supporters on here claiming that Rangers are a new club and all this nonsense. The facts are all there, it is the same club, with the same stadium, same kits, same badge, same history. The richest and most successful history of any club in world football. It's even funnier given Celtic were restructured under a newco in 1994, yet the obsessive's who come on here decide to just ignore that fact.

As a matter of fact, it is actually really tedious and boring now. All this "sevco" and "pacific shelf" crap from both sides makes me feel like I'm in primary school. Some people need to grow up. Rangers is still and will always be Rangers, likewise with Celtic. It's so pathetic and childish.

Get over it and move on.

SC93

Congratulations from the SFL

On behalf of everyone at the Scottish Football League I would like to add my sincere congratulations to Rangers on Achieving this magnificant milestone in the club's history.

Rangers have brought great honour and distinction to Scottish football throughout these 140 years and the club has risen to every challenge it has faced. ... There is something rather poignant that after 140 years the club is once again a member of the organisation it helped found in 1890 and we are honoured and proud to have Rangers in the league.

To everyone involved in the club and its remarkable and loyal fans Happy Anniversary.

David Longmuir
Chief Executive

We tbank you Mr Longmuir. And we look forward to working with you in tbe future when yoy are running Scottish football insrad of the people who are in charge at the moment.

SC93...If you are the same club, team, stadium, badge, history etc etc then why havent you been deducted a further 10 points for still being in administration/liquidation? You havent been deducted anymore points because you are a different club these days to the one who had a points deduction last season! That is a fact even if you dont like it....Other evidence pointing to how stupid your own post is Charles Green himself is on video stating that if the CVA fails then its the end of 140 years of history. He stated this when Dave King came out and told everyone to vote against the CVA...guess what..the CVA did failed!...James Traynor your new head of communications and PR said at the time in his DR column that it was the end!!.
As for your other idiotic comment about Celtic...Celtic became a PLC in 1994 it had nothing to do with any kind of insolvency..company number is still the same as it was in 1888...Now, thats not something you can say about The Rangers or Rangers International or whatever you're called these days.
This argument will go on and on but nothing you can do or say or any amount of daft statements from David Longmuir will convince me that your old club is anthing other than dead and you now support a different entity alltogether which admittedly walks, talks and sounds like the old Rangers but we all know the truth..however much it hurts you!
And one more thing for the avoidance of doubt I do not support Celtic.
Don

Was there any congrats from UEFA or FIFA about the so called history. Oops no there was not says it all lol

Celtic restructured under a newco? Pathetic mate, just pathetic. Same company number as its ever been. But hey it's only the facts you are changing to suit yourself lol. Company floats so the name has to have plc in it, the option is there when doing so to update your name whilst you are making the change to add plc. Celtic take out the " & athletic club part. These are the only conditions when you are entitled to change your company name. No administration, no liquidation SAME registered company. Your lot...new club name "THE Rangers", new registered company number. Wait for the new club emblem and stadium renaming aswell to go with it. Congrats on lasting 140 days, unusual landmark but each to they're own. P.s Niiiiiiice prospectus!

Mr Longmuir. You talk with forked tongue. Methinks you are trying to protect your job. The facts are these. Rangers were a well established club but that club is now defunct. Also Rangers have brought honour to the game in Scotland in some ways but in other they have been disastrous. ye, they claim to have won a European trophy but so bad was the behaviour of their fans they were immediately banned from playing in the Tournament the following year. also their "fans" have caused mayhem wherever they go Manchester, barcelona, Newcastle ad nauseum. For years they have raided other clubs to steal their best players (Too many to mention ). Now they are a newco, no history,in fact a third rate selling club. Ie if any club in a superior league wants their players they will be cherry picked.Poor management and antiquated ideas way above their station Im afraid. And, no I am not a Tim. Just a fan of a wee club which is properly run, brilliantly organised in a fiscal manner- way out of your league. Rangers are , always were, a shameful organisation.

We must have got some acknowledgement from FIFA and UEFA reagrding our history. If the club could publish these it would put this debate to bed.

10 Dec 2012 15:32:26
Would that be the same longmuir who had shares in rangers

@5 it's also The Celtic if your getting hung up on names .

To No 7 - there was a mesage from UEFA - it read, "So long and thanks for the memories of Barcelona, Newcastle, Birmingham, Manchester you wont be missed now youre gone."
Michel