Rangers Banter Archive January 10 2012

10 Jan 2012 23:10:36
This is going to be a shock for most people but here goes.
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink is going to sign for Rangers from PSV. He will go through his medical tomorrow night or Thursday morning.

Lay aff the medication pal

JG

Total baws, trust me Jan would not sign for yous

Hahahha

Its a shock you are roaming free wi stories like that!

Aye very good mushy, u at it again?

He's a hopeless player, he plays more with his elbows than his feet. Would never happen and would never want it to.

Champions54

10 Jan 2012 21:59:50
Rangers debt still exists, Whyte did 'not' pay it off, it has been re-financed and taken on by another company, but it's still there FFS if you all didn't know that, you shouldnt even be commenting on anything.....eh! so what company or jacket pocket did Whyte pull 18m from,,,,the guy couldnt even have a company again until 2009, he was banned for 7 years,,,so he just dug up 18M....awe man, it's frightening!!

So are you saying he never paid the money to the bank and the bank are stilled owed 18m?

we must be paying monthly interest on the 18m then

JG

The £18m debt was transfered from Rangers to another company and the other company now owes the £18m to Lloyds. No details are known about the arrangement between the other company and Lloyds.

What is known is that as part of the agreement of the £18m debt being transfered from Rangers to the other company, Whyte now has a first ranking security in the sum of £18m over Rangers. In the event of administration Whyte, having the first ranking security, gets paid the first £18m of Rangers assets. Contrary to some earlier debate on this webpage, Whyte gets this before any payment to the taxman.

Sorrry that is pure p"#h

you are telling me that a mysterious company (you dont know their name) took over our debt and that the mysterious company are willing to pay monthly interest on an 18m loan for an undefined period

lloyds bank can not agree that whyte gets first dabs on 18m of assets


JG

And by the way i for one dont believe your propoganda and never did over the last four decades either

I wish some of my fellow bears would do the same

JG

Rubbish! HMRC is the first creditor cos they can walk in the door n sell the marble staircase if they dont get money in there timescale.think about it.

Rubbish?? you are obviously not in touch at all, if you are gonna come on and rubbish facts, then don't come on at all.....the guys posting about the 18m being still owed are 200% correct......Whyte is the preferred creditor, and will get the value of any assetts up to 18m.....and as for HMRC, they are ''not'' first in line.....used to be, but not for a few years now HMRC are treated exactly the same as joe bloggs, only Whyte is the secured creditor.....basically, Whyte has cleared the 18m debt, but borrowed it himself from another bank....he has a personal guarantee (PG) from Rangers as a business, making him the preferred creditor, so he gets the assets up to 18m....that means that if gers go under,nobody gets paid, except Whyte, who then pays the ''new'' bank off, and theoretically has Rangers for nothing 'debt free'.
Is it really that complicated......you might think he's a bam, but he's not a daft bam........don't post sh** if you don't know the facts.

You don't know the FACTS either - None of us do, so best to just wait and see what the Tax case brings and continue to support the club in the meantime.

Pete

Denial time! you really think that HMRC would just shrug the shoulders n say ach well thats 50m away? you ever had any dealings with HMRC? i have n if your up front n honest n dont waste their time you get decent treatment but still have to pay.i worked abroad n they still hit me with a bill i had to pay inside 1 month.whytes giving them the runaround n he's gonna pay

10 Jan 2012 21:35:45
mrs kim whyte is suing craig for divorce - case listed in the court of session - rumour has it that she wants half of rangers ( debt ) ? ?

He must have promised her goodwillie as well lol

10 jan 2012 21:31:40
dont worry bears

we know were in the s**te but super ally will pull something out of thebag, just like wattie did with jela.

we are and always will be the people. 53 and counting

Is that 53 days till your winding up order from HMRC?

Thats right, jelly was unknown 4 mill he cost, Ally aint got 4 bob,whytes a con man pure and simple,the only way is down

Like Ortiz, McKay or Bedoya?

DazzaBhoy

10 Jan 2012 19:41:15
A man buys a business for £1. If the business goes burst he legally gets the first £18m of the businesses assets (and prior to any claim from HMRC).

Question: Is it in the interests of Craig Whye for Rangers to go burst and walk away with a hugh pay off.

What are you talking aboot? The £18m he would get if we went into administration is the £18m he paid to loyds banking group. Stop posting garbage ya bananaplum {Ed014's Note - He didn't pay anything.He took on the debt himself.

That would be why he will get 18 mill ed? he took over debt to a parent co I think must be part of the terms? {Ed014's Note - I don't see why he will get £18m.He will need to find it himself to pay the bank,the debt is in his name now to a bank somewhere.

His 18m is after the tax man gets his money.no money then asset stripping commences.could that be just what he wants?

Ed014 and nameless posters I think you will need to do your research. Craig Whyte paid off the £18m to Loyds Banking Group. NO money is owed to LBG. If the unthinkable happens and Rangers went into administration. Whyte would get his money before anyone. He is in a win win situation. So can I just tell you guys and girls to get your facts right before posting rubbish. Ed ask your side kick Ed007 and he will keep you right lol.

Ps when Rang {Ed014's Note - Where did Whyte get £18million for?He borrowed it.The debt still exists but it is in another company's name.

If Rangers go into administration Whyte gets £18m from Rangers before the taxman gets any money. This is because he has a legal security over Rangers assets in the sum of £18m and that it paid out by the administrator before any money to the taxman. This is a matter of public record.

Whyte transfered the £18m debt owed by Rangers to Lloyds to another company which now owes that money to Lloyds. As such Whyte did not repay the £18m debt.

Part of Whyte's secrecy in his takeover of Rangers is what arrangement this other company has with Lloyds for the repayment of the £18m debt, no one knows.

All that is known is that if Rangers go into administration, Whyte has a legal security over Rangers and he is due payment of the first £18m of Rangers assets by the administrator. This £18m payment takes predecence over anything that would be payable to the taxman.

Many Rangers fans think Whyte has paid off the £18m debt, but he has not.

If it takes a man a week to walk a fortnight

Question how many tatties in a pound o mince FFS i am losing the plot reading some of the stuff posted on here

JG

JG - I take it you are one of the many who thought Whyte had paid off the £18m debt. But don't worry, go back to your mince and tatties.

There is no way he gets paid b4 the taxman m8.

It's incredible that while the worlds banks were collapsing and sovereign states were grappling with massive deficits ,while respected economists struggled to come up with the answers , no one thought of calling the Celtic keyboard accountants society. {Ed014's Note - So no Rangers fans discuss this?

ED 14 i must question your comment above

He did not pay anything he took on the debt himself

does that mean that the bank never received the money they were owed?

I look forward to your response ed14

JG {Ed014's Note - The bank got their money.Whyte borrowed it from another source.That's why he will still have to pay it back.

Whyte does get his £18m before the taxman. He has a first ranking legal security over Rangers assets. A "first ranking security" entitles you to payment from the assets before any other party, which includes the taxman.

Lloyds are not owed anything by anyone connected to Rangers, the Money was paid to them in full " Alistair Johnston said LLoyds forced this deal through. Now whether whyte, RFC holdings or Wavetower borrowed this money from somewhere else, that's another matter, but it is not owed to Lloyds and that is concrete.

Pete

10 Jan 2012 19:27:46
The fact of the matter is we do not NEED to sign anyone this transfer window as long as we can keep the most our squad and especially Jelavic then I'm positive that we can win the league.
-They only managed to scrape a 1-0 win at home when they were the form team and we were apparently on our knees so there is nothing to fear there!
-They will no doubt hit a poor bit of form again especially without their talisman in midfield (or is that bottleman!)
-We are the champions and will conduct ourselves accordingly for the run-in and open a can of whoop ass on anyone that stands in the way! Mark my words...
Nicko 1872

Sounds like your desperately trying to convince yourself.

Rangers need new players in. McCoist certainly thinks so.

Yes we could do with freshening up but my point is that on current form we are not in as dire a situation as most would have us believe and could be an opportunity to get the youngsters more involved as well as reserve goals for Bedoya and McKay can't ever be considered a bad thing in the current economic climate.
Nicko 1872

A blind man can see we need someone to create in midfield

JG

Nicko 1872; see where your coming from m8 but we would need to go thru season with no suspension or injury problems.

You just keep believing mate. jelavic is getting hawked around england to the first club which will pay £5m. cheap replacement in to partner healy. wake up man the taxman and administration is as sure as night follows day.

That 1-0 was the biggest 1-0 humping i've seen in a football match. you werent at the races that day, and if things went as well as they have been for celtic, it could easily have been 5-0

As sure as night follows day? LOL its been following for almost 4 years and we have won title after title and cup after cup. support your own team Timmy and look on the bright side.

Pete

You didn't create 5 chances in the last 3 old firm games ya closet, give it a rest we had a good shout for a goal not given and bocanegra missed a sitter, or does your telly only work in green and white ..

Pete

10 Jan 2012 19:15:47
I'm a big fan of Ally McCoist but is anyone else annoyed by the way he continually tells the press who he is interested in bidding for. Walter always kept things close to his chest then came through with his signings.

Hes doing it to let Mr Charlatan Whyte know that he NEEDS players and letting everyonw know his hands are tied with Mr Whyte and that hes withholding the key to the WARCHEST

Im getting frustrated by ally i think he's sounding more n more like a stooge for whyte just firing names to appease fans worries.heading to admin i think,liquidation would be a nightmare but admin can be survived

Did you read what Ally actually said in response to a question, check out the website

JG

10 Jan 2012 19:06:47
kris boyd suppose to sign for american club houston,bid is on the table,sky sports

10 Jan 2012 18:38:35
A wish mccoist would keep quiet until he has actually signed a player goin on about the Spanish boy like he did with danns hemed goodwillie conway its embrassing

We are being taken for mugs by whyte & co

No.its propaganda.no intention signing any of those players.lets con the fans again.this £2m hes gonna spend?that the same£2m he had in the summer when he bought nobody?as for your,ahem,major shareholder.85 percent of nothing is ermm,nothing.skintaroony

Pretty stupid comment.....'85 percent of nothing.......'

10 Jan 2012 18:19:50
Timalloy
PS to all the bears calling us names I would rather be a soap dodger than a TAX DODGER!

A reply to the SoapDodger, Do you know being a SoapDodger is life threatening? You must have a cheeeeeeeeeesy bunnet lol. CB67 is slagging you for that post lmao.

On a serious note. You posted on here earlier and on the Celtic page saying that us bears are using sweary words to yourself. The only thing I can see is the word f*nny which is a slang word for a lady's virgina and it wasn't aimed at you. I do recall a few weeks ago you let your guard slip and you were giving it to us bears big time do you remember? Pot and kettle come to mind lol. Another thing SoapDodger your patter is pash you must realise that by now. It's a wonder they aren't a lot more of the Celtic fans on to you about it. You've got pashypatter.
I1984

Virgina, Is that not rolling tobacco?

Pete

10 Jan 2012 16:25:42
Craig Whyte contacted Ken Dodd for some advice re Tax issues.
Mr Whyte said he was "Brokenhearted" as his "Promises" had not come to fruition. He asked Ken Dodd "Let me cry on your shoulder" as "Tears wont wash away these heartaches" and that any tax settlement was "Just out of Reach"
To this Ken Dodd replied "Happiness, Happiness" because I am a Tim!
Timalloy (Lyricist)

Now we all know for sure

You are a DIDDY man

JG

10 Jan 2012 15:43:22
Time to hand Bocanegra the captaincy IMO.

I'm not going to get tore in about wee Davis all i'm saying is i can't see him leading us to a title.

Bocanegra looks the part, has the expierence and his form has been consistant since he's came in. Davis has been hot and cold all season, perhaps the pressure of being captain is effecting his game? Take the pressure off him, maybe his form will improve.

Looking back over the years we've had guys like Davie Weir and Barry Ferguson who have a presence about them, unfortunatly wee Davis hasn't.

Boca For Captain!!

J1985

J1985, I think when Big Davie Weir leaves this month you will find that Ally will install Carlos Bocanegra as club captain.
We are all Salim Kerkar
FF81

Totally agree, captain America.... Lets hope we have him with us for a while yet. Good shout m8. AndytheGer

Davis hides regularly this season, and this season in particular we need a real captain.

10 Jan 2012 15:12:38
I know we have a few midfielders,
But we definetley need a barry fergusson in there as we dont have anyone that can get a grip of the midfield and take them forward, Davis is never a Rangers captain

Never agreed wi anything more on this site we need barry ,anyone who says he's no good enough is dillusional

Agreed, we wont get bazza tho

Your all living in the past!!

GDog
WATP

10 Jan 2012 13:57:58
We need to build a team round McGregor, Bocanegra, Naismith and Edu (believe it or not)

The rest can be moved on.

Thoughts?

Which one are you, Abbot or Costello

10 Jan 2012 13:28:10
I read that Goian was advised by his priest to "pray to the relics" after a serious illness, that explains why he signed for Rangers with all the "ancient relics" in their squad. LOL Timalloy
PS to all the bears calling us names I would rather be a soap dodger than a TAX DODGER!

What you mean is you have trawled various websites in an attempt to find something to post on here that would enhance your ego as the master baiter .Congrats sado you have yet again shown yourself for what you are.Not funny in desperate need of assurance and definetly that guy in the bar no one listens to or wants to be any where near.Pretty much same as on here.I will give you a deal if Celtic win the league i will give you a rope(for free)and when we win the league will you do the decent thing and just fu*k off.Shaun h

Your a bit touchy Shaun, you on your period? Lighten up!

Mind the gap

DazzaBhoy

No im one of the men who pause .......

........And if i were dazzabhoy is where i would put my tampon.Oh no sorry it goes in the f***y .Oh i was right first time.Shaun h

Dazzabhoy as you can see, no bear able to post reply without insults and swerry words Shaun H when you mention pause I take it you meant your "menopause" LOL Timalloy
PS Mind the Gap and stay on the Tax dodgers page hail hail

Your right Timalloy, they obviously don't own dictionaries!

So Shaun, your saying your not on your period right now?

Hail hail. We welcome the chase Percy's!

DazzaBhoy

You two just didnt get it did you.It shows the level of what we are dealing with read it back through while i laugh at your obvious stupidity.

You would have to get a job before you could dodge tax pal

We certainly get it, top of the league, you lot dropping points like barrymore dropping the soap and Craig Whyte promising you's the world!

Obviously you dont get it son.......banter ya moron, get used tae it!

DazzaBhoy

10 Jan 2012 12:36:09
Rangers have no money. Forwarding the notion that your team will not be buying anyone in this window or the next or the one after that. This page is invalid. Stop wasting your time. HH Treble Winners 2012!

10 Jan 2012 12:24:44
Personally I wouldnt try and buy 1 player for 2 million, I'd rather we strengthen the squad in numbers, try for players like Alan smith and Peter lovenkrands from Newcastle, both could be bought cheap and both out of favour at Newcastle, smith can play anywhere and lovenkrands still has his blistering pace which rangers could do with up front

Both players are currently getting paid more than any gers player so we can forget it !

Germinator

Lovenkrands and Smith. You clearly know nothing about football. Both would not improve us. Both are past 30 years old and past it.

Remind me what age is boca? Does that mean he hasn't improved the team?

Look doesnt matter both players gettin paid too much, its a non starter and will never happen.

Germinator

10 Jan 2012 11:44:18
If they have realistic targets, go in and get them on the quiet- if poss- instead of making it public knowledge who they wish for. Will believe any 'interest' when I see the players in blue shirts on the pitch.

You do realise that any interest or info givin to the media will come from the agent ! 90% of the time its them its their way of touting their client to toher parties by letting others know or think there is interest. Y would coisty or anyone go out and pubilcy state their targets (unless its like the goodwillie time were im sure the bid was to get the fans backing rather than to actually buy goodiwllie) however i dp agree with you on the transfer target thing (i assume your referring to the spanish boy) ill believe it wen i see it ... personally if we are gonna spend 2m on a player id prefer it if he was just comin into his peak ie. 25/26.

Germinator

10 Jan 2012 10:39:34
ED. How do you feel about Edu leaving in this transfer window?
I'm not a fan of him but the stats don't lie this season:

In our 3 spl defeats he didn't start in 2 of them (st mirren and celtic) and the other ( kilmarnock) he was taken of after 70 mins and they scored in 80 mins.

Defeat to Falkirk in cup: he didn't play.

In our 3 SPL draws he played 90 mins in 2 of them ( hearts and st johnstone). The other (st mirren) he was subbed after 72 mins and they scored in 90 mins.

I think we should keep him! Keeno {Ed001's Note - I think there are many other players that should be out the door long before Edu, such as McCulloch.}

Exactly Ed. Players like McCulloch and Broadfoot should be out the door long before Rangers even think about getting some money for Edu.

WATP

Couldnt agree more.
drumlad

Well must say edu looked very good against Arbroath

Arbroath is edu's level he is rubbish.

10 Jan 2012 10:11:14
Not renewing your season ticket? I bet your one of the majority of so-called fans who go to ibrox these days & shouts your s**te at rangers players & gets restless if we haven't scored 3 mins into the game then leaves 10 mins early. why do you people even come to ibrox we are suppose to support our team not get on there backs & that's probably why we are not playing well, confidence is down because of people like you moaning at them every week. If I decided not to renew my ticket it would be because of w**kers who sit in the stands not because of players we sign

10 Jan 2012 09:04:26
Can someone please explain to me why they come onto a RUMOURS site to rubbish rumours?

Someone leaves a comment and they are called a liar! Lets be honest rumours are rumours! I would be amazed if anyone on this site actually had real sources! People close to clubs tend not to tell every tom, dick and in our case billy. Bring back the days of snowy the dug!

Agree mate, and where's wullie and snowy when they are needed.

10 Jan 2012 04:27:25
I'd take O'Conner. I bet many celtic fans said the same about Stokes(who has, unfortunately, been brilliant)... support the club in their time of need and be realistic! We're completely skint and need to take what we can get! Mon the gers and any 'fan' that bitches about the club or Whyte isn't a real fan. Support the club eh guys!

10 Jan 2012 01:09:01
I know the guy who lives accross the road from a guy whos wee sisters boyfriend washes Craig Whytes Windows LOL! and he said that Rangers will be signing Sandazza on a Pre Contract and offering a nominal fee in the region 0f £100k to sign now if StJohnstone don't accept then rangers will seriously consider signing Novo or O'Connor but only on a short deal untill the end of the Season.

If Jelavic is sold Rangers will Resign The marsbarsuperstar (Kris Boyd obviously!) AND Murphy from Motherwell as Replacements as McCoist needs to add some quality up top.

theglasgowranger

please don't take post too seriously fellow bears I am just reading between the lines

You better tell the windae cleaner to get cash up front ,the shyte night wont pay him

10 Jan 2012 00:52:26
You really get some idiots on here Ed.
I have always supported Rangers and always will but I must say I am not sure if there is any money to be spent at the moment. I know ally has said there is however anyone can dress things up in interviews.
However whether Rangers sign anyone or not I will still be at every game until the end of the season supporting my team.
And for everyone on here slating Sansaza, he is a clever player who to be honest ripped Goain to bits at Ibrox just a few weeks back! So why slate him? Because we are not buying him for 6 million?
Those days are over and Sandaza is a decent buy for us at the moment.

CBear