Rangers Banter Archive July 10 2012

10 Jul 2012 22:08:04
Dear Mr Green,

If the high heid yins decide it's div 1 on Friday, please will you tell them, ta but no sanctions. If these paragons of sporting virtue say no, as we must be seen to be punished, could you please tell them to shove it and send me my season ticket for div 3?

Thanking you

(the real) BB

It may well be div 3 with sanctions or nothing who knows whats going to happen

Div3 but SFA giving us heavy sanctions for the SFA license is actually correct and fair.
Anything else is a bonus.
Rangers has no sporting merit whatsoever for conning the SPL tournament since 1998.

Rangers will walk Div 3 with or without sanctions.

Div 1 however might be harder. But as SPL/SFA want Rangers back in SPL in 2013 there won't be sanctions enough to make promotion impossible.

10 Jul 2012 20:21:41
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD BIT OF PUTTING IT IN PERSPECTIVE!

Neil Doncaster, SPL Chief Executive, has made it clear to SFL clubs that up to six top flight clubs are at a high risk of going in to administration. This follows the 10-1 vote against Rangers staying in the top flight.

I believe these numbers above, prove two things:-

The SPL chairmen, those who had a backbone and did vote as a director in their position should, did not make a commercial decision. They failed to practically weigh up the cost/benefits of Rangers being out of the SPL and what it would mean for their club. The failure of the SPL/SFA to understand the issues of implications of Rangers not being in the top flight has not helped the SPL chairmen.
The Ltd company went into administration (and technically insolvent, i.e. a bust company) in February, has it really taken the SPL four or five months to get the appropriate advice from financial advisors, lawyers and insolvency experts? The SPL and SFA has simply failed to demonstrate their competency in managing such a large organisation. I feel this is another of the many reasons why those in charge should resign.

The fans that voted on behalf of their clubs (in an outrageous display of passing the buck) are putting their hatred for Rangers above the viability of their own club surviving. I don’t understand why the fans of the SPL clubs would have a fully informed opinion of the financial implications of not playing Rangers three or four times a season, and what possible impacts of future sponsorship for the league as well as a television deal. In the end, these fans voted with their hatred of Rangers.
The blame for this goes to the SPL chairman for putting them in this position of power. They demonstrated their weakness in making big decisions regardless of their own popularity.

Rival fans reading and commentating on this article may be laughing now, but when your club is struggling over the next season or two, you’ve only got yourselves and your respective chairmen to blame. You had the opportunity to support your own club instead of voting irrationally.

We’ll enjoy being in the Third division next season (hopefully!) and watching Scottish football crumble above us. We’ll have no sympathy either.

I WOULD LIKE TO HERE WHO YOU THINK WILL BE FIRST?
ABERDEEN, HIBS, HEARTS?

Right....

1st off you are basically doing what charlie green is doing...BULLYING people to let you back into the spl,you got a transfer ban & your manager said he wanted to know who was on the pannel & now that person of raith rovers has had everything threw at him..... so bully your way into the spl or let rangers start else where ?

argee on the doncaster etc should all be sacked there like a man down they couldnt run a riot

main reason why rangers arent in the spl is ie hearts go down the tubes do they get to walk back into the spl ? no so same for rangers.....

lenny

You demonstrate the attitude that resulted in us being expelled from the SPL. Do not be surprised if the SFL do not want us.

How does Green think he can raise commercial sponsorship with morons like this on board.

Are you hopefull we will enjoy SFL3 or hopefull we will be in it.

The impression you give OP is that not one single fan of any SPL club has a working brain cell and it was all pure "anti-Rangers hatred" from the outset. You cant remotely embrace the possibility that they thought regards say, Livingston or Gretna that "fair's fair" and what they got any club in a similar situation should get.

There is also the possibility that the armageddon theory has been over-played. The notoriously fickle Scottish football going public might find the whole "above corruption" and cleansing of the game to appealing to them and vote with their feet where it counts, in stadiums up and down the country.

Two of Scotland's three main trophies went to non old firm teams last season while (on the park at least) there were still "two big teams". Make no mistake Rangers are not a force right now on the park. Forty other teams in Scottish football are suddenly thinking "there is a big one" out there, automatically that changes your mind set regards European qualification, Scottish Cups and League Cups.

I don't know how it wll work out, neither do you and for all that they are armed with figures galore Doncaster and Regan sure as hell don't know either.

Bear in mind in every single document they have produced they gave a "worst case scenario". We lose the Sky deal, we lose the ESPN deal, so they immediately wipe those figures off, there is no conceivable way there wont be NO DEAL, so they at every turn have failed to reinject into their forecasts another deal, be it BBC, STV, whomever.

And due to it's unique nature and lack of potential for visiting Rangers fans I guarantee there will be some TV deal for whatever division they are in. I don't see any factoring in of that too, all doom and gloom and worst case scenarios from the spineless duo.

Gaz

Why doesn't Neil Doncaster post his best case scenario? ie Everything carries on, lower league clubs make a bit of extra cash, and then in 2016 Rangers are back in the SPL challenging for the title?

:1 Bullying? all the other club's fans know what bullying is about. Vote no and we will turn up at your ground, vote yes and nobody will turn up.

Am telling you! There will be no football played this year or next by the club formally known as Rangers! You need to look at the old song "no 1 likes us we don't care" well guess what! That's exactly true! I think it's time to look for a new team to support! In fact there's a wee team that play in green not to far your old stomping ground!

Why dont we all the fans of scottish fitba, stop all the ear bashing an get on its only a game, we all want a team 2 support an try an respect each other we( GERS FANS) cant help what has happened 2 our team i for 1 dont want 2 see our game going down the tubes, just would have likeed spl sfa sfl 2 got together a bit earlier 2 sort the mess we and i mean WE got the game in! we are left now to sfl to do the right thing an i think for good of the game they will so hopefully the gers will be playing sfl football next season and i for 1 will be there.

Happy Sheep here. Few points.

1. Stuart E Milne is nae dafty. He is sure we can survive. Who would I put my trust in? Apprentice joiner turned one of Scotlands richest or bitter ex fan of the former Rangers Football Club? Congrats Wiggy, my votes with you!
2. Who allowed contracts to be based on certain clubs remaining in the particular league? Did the SPL clubs have a say? Presumably any future contracts will have this anomally rectified, even if we have to take a small financial hit for it.
3. Surely Doncaster, Regan and Ogilvie should be sacked without further consideration. The manner this whole affair has been handled is embarrassing in the extreme, corruption also springs to mind. You hear it said everyone has a boss, everyone reports to someone. Who is these muppets bosses?
4. McMoist wants Div 3. A mighty percentage of the new clubs fans say Div 3. The rule book says Div 3 if a new club is admitted. FIFA rules suggest, in this situation, newco should start at Div 3. So if the rulers of Scottish football go against all this, and corruptly manage a move to anything other, will Green and Sally, et al, put their collective feet down and insist Div 3?

Happy days

@8 Don't think any Rangers fans will be going to your ground any time soon. If Rangers don't get a team for next season the majority of fans will either just give up on football or support an English team. There will be NO CHANCE that they will support the Tic.

DO

10 Jul 2012 19:51:00
ED039, as one of the more reasonable
people on here, can I ask your opinions
of your fellow RFC fans ( I will call them
that until it is official they are no longer)
All we here on here and other RFC sites
is "we hate all SPL teams" "we hate all
SFL teams who vote against us" it is
all hate, hate, hate. No RFC fan I have
seen or heard, seems to acknowledgs
all this was brought on by YOUR own actions.
Another thing we here in perpetuity is,
Scottish football needs us, I hope
Scottish football dies... No remorse,
just bitterness, over and over again.
Yes the SPL will miss your team and
your fans, Celtic will miss the derby
games..
But it looks like most SPL teams have
seen an upsurge in season ticket sales,
Motherwell have said if they get a
decent euro run they will be solvent
for next 3 years.
Celtic also, if we get to CL group stages
will more than make up what we lose
in derby gates, tv etc..
Also if other SPL clubs challenge and
make it a more exciting league, it
will raise profile of SPL.
So please stop blaming everyone else
and accept your blame that your club
cheated.
You may be surprised that SPL will
manage fine without you for a season
or two and not just survive but THRIVE.
Timalloy {Ed039's Note - all good points, and I for one actually hope rangers come back to a strong league because if that is not the case then what is the point, I think the points you make though are in the long term, but if sponsorship an tv money is impacted in the immediate future then this will impact on clubs and their immediate plans. I for one don't hate other clubs or their supporters, but for example if reported sky do not come across with the 625k payment for August, do you think teams like Motherwell etc will be able to meet their obligations for salaries etc? I have acknowledged time and again that the problems are rangers making and they will impact other clubs, but it has not been acknowledged that financially other Scottish teams have depended on the old firm for years and I do think that there is some financial hardship ahead for many teams as for you not hearing rangers fans acknowledge the shortcomings of the past regime(s) then you need to troll through the site as here have been many, hope you appreciate my honesty)

Cheers ED039, yes I do appreciate your honesty. Your team's financial input will be missed by everyone but maybe it will make more teams fiscally aware of their own outgoings and cut their cloth accordingly.
Your point about Sky not paying SPL clubs this season, is I think part of the Regan/Doncaster scaremongering. The tv deal is still in place, even without RFC and SKY are contractually obliged to honour it. They may try and probably will, try and reduce amount but must pay something for televising our games.
You have to admit that Regan/Doncaster are bending over backwards to help your club gain entry to SFL1, yes I know argument is we all need your money, but sporting integrity must come first.
But even if vote gets you back into SFL1, you only have a bare squad and only 3 weeks to prepare, you will be hard pushed to be ready in time. Then there is small matter of any other penalties that could come your way.
In the long run, it may even be better for you to go down to SFL3, regroup, rebuild, all debts paid so to speak and come back a cleaner, and hopefully a better more honestly run club with the true fans in more control. Timalloy {Ed039's Note - I don't think they are bending over backwards for rangers, I think they are bending over backwards to ensure their salaries are safeguarded although regan should go, with penalties, why should a newco suffer consequences of a former incarnation? Everybody is quick to remind why have no history and that it is a fresh company so why should these follow over, especially if rangers are in SFL3, but I do agree wit you and think that rangers would struggle to be ready for the start of the new season if in sfl1, maybe to with stating 11 quality but with match fitness/sharpness and mentally he guys there must still be crushed)

We do accept blame for the mess the club created. But there are those posters on here, who would like to blame us for Global warming/World famine etc as well , if they could only find a reason to justify it. The fans of Rangers did not create this mess, WE apologise on behalf of the mess Murray/Whyte created. Maybe just maybe if some people cut our fans a bit of slack, we might all become civilised towards each other. I hold my breath in hope!

I take issue with your assertion that clubs have depended upon the OF. Start with the basic that it takes 2 teams to have a football match. The paying public pay to watch 2 teams not 1.
A match at Ibrox/Parkhead attracts 45/50000 and generates revenue of around £1m.
The average OF away support is not much more than 10% of the home attendance and giving the other team extra revenue after VAT and additional policing costs of £100,000.
The smaller clubs are at a huge disadvantage from the start and this financial model has added an additional handicap and has resulted in a complete lack of competition.
An analogy would be giving the best horse the lightest weight,the best draw and best jockey.The result would be a far gone conclusion.
I am a season ticket holder and have not been to an away game in 10 years and and like most Rangers supporters have made no financial contribution to other clubs. A fairer distribution would enhance competition and make matches far more entertaining. Too many people are obssessed with Celtic and cannot see the bigger picture.
Scottish football is at a crossroads and another wrong turn could be fatal.

Celtic fan here. For one time only, Scottish fan opinion is united in a single voice. If there's once thing this whole saga has achieved, it has been that supporters like me actually feel sorry for the average (true) Rangers fan. There might be a large degree of Schadenfreude at play. It's only natural to use this as an excuse to laugh at your expense. As you would if the tables were turned. But at the end of the day we all recognise that the custodians of Rangers totally shafted their own supporters - and that just isn't right.

You make a fair point in your post to a degree Sir.
But where your argument falls down is via the money that is drip fed down through sponsorship,advertising,TV and media etc.
The initial interest is predominantly focused on the old firm,and the others merely feed off this.
The old firm rivalry,the greatest derby in the world,and the potential marketing exploitation of both club's fanbases is all that holds the attraction. Your argument about all clubs downsizing and cutting their cloth,is nothing but propaganda. Everyone knows Celtic are in a strong position and will walk the title race for a few years. The other clubs are already miles behind,look at the league table last season,Motherwell had an exceptional campaign,but how far did they finish behind us,despite the ten point deduction? If everyone has to tighten their belts,then Celtic will only prosper,but that's all your interested in right? The "Holy Grail" being 54/55!
P.O.B.

I like your "IF" motherwell,celtic etc etc ! hehe

Firstly, to OP and ed, great debate in an honest and civilised manner, something I, as an Aberdeen fan, appreciate this site for in the main. Being able to see the wood from the trees so to speak. Well done and, just hopefully, if any good can come from this sorry mess, it will be a new era of sporting rivalry as opposed to insane hatred. Every club has, and will retain its moronic element, but hopefully shameful pasts can start to be forgotten.
To 2. the reason the newco must share some pain is very simple. There has to be a deterrent. Without that what would stop the vicious circle of corruption and mismanagement, administration, liquidation, newco with no sanctions, corruption with financial mismanagement, admin...... I'm sure you see where I'm coming from without needing to continue. What's more, Newco starting in Div 3 is NOT a punishment, it's a fair application of the rules that would automatically apply to any other new club applying to join the senior set up.

@7. Post 2 here, don't disagree with your post, only that the fans were not to blame for this debacle and maybe some finger pointing in the right direction might be better served. Newco starting in Div3 is i agree not a punishment, it's a practical and valid route back to the top and one that must be made otherwise the back biting will never cease.

First time poster from OZ here. I cancelled my Setanta package last week as no more rangers games to watch. got talking to the person cancelling my subscription and he asked why i was cancelling. When I told him he told me that their lines have been jammed with rangers supporters also doing the same. he also said he had had over 12 cancellations that morning from Celtic supporters who told him they only subscribed because of the old firm games. In Oz we have mellowed a little and you do not get the bigoted side of things you get in Scotland. I will always be a Ger in my heart, but unfortunately Scottish football is stuffed according to most ex pats over hear and most have said they will no longer watch Scottish games and will switch to Rugby league. I believe this will be happening in many other countries of the world as i type this text. Best of luck to all the totally blameless rangers who have suffered and are being punished which was not of their making but those of three irresponsible men who have dragged the impeccable reputation of the most successful and admired football club in the world to the depths of destruction. Just like to add that the general feeling amongst genuine football supporters over here is that Rangers are only receiving this slaughter because they are who they are and the excuse being used sporting integrity is only a sham to cover the hatred being shown by other clubs with little intelligence and insane revenge as their main motive. Keep the chins up lads. I am a Ferguson and my clan crest is a bee on a thistle and the motto "Dulcius-Ex-Asperis" which means "Sweeter Through Difficulty. Good luck to all the Teds.

Ozzie Al

@8, the only thing the fans are guilty of is delusion, denial and a wish to see the other clubs fail as a result of what happened to them. No true Rangers fan is guilty of the route the club took, the corruption and cheating. That, in my opinion, lies at the feet of Murray and Whyte, along with others who backed and supported them at a high level.
The size and importance of the former Rangers, in my opinion, has actually helped them. If it was any other team, with the exception of Celtic, there would be no debate over league for entry of the Newco, as there simply would be no Newco. I don't think any other teams would have survived wrong doing and corruption of this gravity.

10 Jul 2012 19:43:27
"Its funny how all the players that left suddenly became rubbish". Probably a reply to my post above about a "reality check" etc. Personally I thought he was a half decent consistant goalkeeper who was capable of the odd piece of brilliance but it shows that SPL form or even a couple of half decent european games (for SPL clubs means nothing). People don't care about Scottish football and that's only going to get worse. It's a reality check because most people including him probably thought he would be in top half EPL but he's hardly been all over the papers with transfer talk. It's not a reality check because he's a rubbish player.

I read McGregor being described as "average" only today by a Rangers fan. I'm a Celtic fan and have absolutely no time for Mark Viduka but I cannot say he wasn't a good player. A rewriting of history is going on regards the talent of some Rangers players and it is utter nonsense.

Gaz

10 Jul 2012 18:51:30
can someone clear up the following ongoing points.
Does a club need three years accounts to apply to the sfl or not?
Did audi withdraw the players cars?
What ever happened to the legal acions that were going to be taken against the bbc in the recent expose?
Thanks

1) yes think its in todays or yesterdays sun or DR

2)yes as newco dont have a argeement with audi

3) same as 1st time round say they will when really they wont

lenny

1) The Scottish football authorities make up and ignore rules as they go along so who knows? Hopefully when this fiasco ends both Regan and Doncaster are out of a job.

2) I believe so.

3) The same thing that happened after Craig Whyte threatened to sue BBC Scotland i.e Don't Hold Your Breath.

BB

Yes,yes and nothing.it is not illegal to tell the truth(yet) !! dd

The BBC have yet to receive any notice of court action from the allegedly "defamed" parties. tells it's own story, eh ?

10 Jul 2012 18:32:21
Green must NOT accept sanctions in terms of Div 1 if he does i want renew my season ticket ...mr myle

10 Jul 2012 15:03:02
ed can you tell me why my post regarding the three year audited accounts was not posted as this was a fact not fiction. is maybe because you had got the decision wrong and did not want to look silly. I posted it twice and you never posted so why was this.

hail hail

Marco1888

ps I suspect this won't get posted as there won't be an answer. {Ed039's Note - It was because I haven't had a chance to reply and because it was a question for me, it was left for me, you not got any transfer rumours to keep you busy on another site? You seem to post quite a lot on a site for fans of a team that doesn't exist as you keep telling us)

Hey Ed the number of times Mraco 1888 has been on here he has got to be the Newco's biggest fan.
Bought your season ticket yet marco?

If it's 3 yrs audited accounts for the SFL, don't bother, that rule applies for a brand new team not a membership being transferred from an oldco to a newco, as is the case here.

This guy is a t**t ed just ignore the soap dodger

Yes I post a lot on here and the reason I do so is to try and keep everyone informed of what's happening because a lot of the oldco fans seem to think the newco is the same club. which we both know is not the case. also these fans seem to think oldco/newco have been punished enough. but could you clarify what punishment these club(s) have actually had apart from a transfer embargo which was overturned and a crappy 160,000 fine which we both know will not be paid. so no punishments eh ed.

hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed039's Note - When did I say there was no punishments, everybody is entitled to an opinion but you just seem to to think you are a know it all which I can assure you are not and you are wasting my time)

Ed, read on the net that both uefa and FIFA have articles that allow a club to be fast tracked to a higher league. Fifas article 9.2 although primarily relates to sporting merit, does go on to state that financial reasons can also be considered. Sadly people like marco will never understand this and will repeatedly spout the so called 3 year rule. Maybe marco should be asking on his own teams website as to wether their team endorsed this , he won't like the answer.

This Marco1888 was nowhere near this site when rangers won 3 in a row, another of the gloryhunter brigade

Hey marco its not your day is it .your getting shot down in flames for your incorrect posts ,being a gers fan ive always considered celtic as being celtic ,even although their official name has been changed ,how many times ? come on marco, or shall i call you bamber ,fill the other posters in with your vast knowledge doug t.s.o

@4 Another one who wants to remind us that the newco is not connected to oldco historically but continues to state that newco should be punished despite of this. Obviously he is a bit dense in the head to understand why these things contradict each other.

DO

10 Jul 2012 13:27:02
As a gers fan like so many would be happy to start div three so we can build our self respect back nd do what is right for scotland nd fifa has made the right choice allowing sfa to make the choice the players broke a contract wit a new company but a contract

As a fellow bear i am getting sick an tired of this hole debacle,as a football club we broke the rules we have been punished we have lost almost half our squad which was thread bare at best already,we are in the process of being liquidated with no hope now of revival,our reputation has been tore to pieces and sadly the outside world will only ever remember us for the crimes our previous owners and NOT fans commited which we have exausted now.so yes we do need to be punished but the wonderfull governing body called the sfa are a sham and laughable no one willing to show some b******s and make a decision,sporting integrity a keep hearing this phrase and you have to wonder what is sporting integrity?lets see mr doncaster,well try and get you into 1st div and not the 3rd which to be honest is my preffered choice why?my guess money,its well documented tv deals sponsership money,etc etc,so basically we are to be sanctioned with possible transfer embargo,points deduction,threadbare squad but they still want us in div1 in the hope id imagine they want us back in spl within 1 year 2 at most.this hole thing stinks to high heavens.do the right thing and ask for admittance to div3.sporting integrity would suggest why should be allowed straight into div1 when teams in div 2 an 3 have been battling for promotin to this league for years. The rule book in the sfa corridors are a page thick and get added to on a daily basis.so i say if sfa cant sort this and fast get a higher power fifa or uefa if need be and sort this mess out and lets get on with supporting football again and not watching our game fade away into the abis forever. {Ed039's Note -

10 Jul 2012 12:42:49
Such a feckin mess - I can see a one year suspension coming!

Someone at last is talking sense. one year suspension will happen

I have been expecting a 1 year suspension for months now. The SFA/SFL/SPL have been dragging their collective heels to ensure that no time is left to sort out this mess by the start of the season. Therfore GERS will not be in any league and a 1 year suspension can will be applied

10 Jul 2012 12:20:26
Rangers legend Paul Gascoigne has offered to play for the Ibrox club next season if manager Ally McCoist calls on him.
Full Story: The Sun

I know Gazza is a legend and all but i think this is the last thing he needs. I would love to have him back at Ibrox but not as a player, poor guy has too many problems.

Doz

Be brills though, in a time of legends, a team consisting of future legends supported by current legends running out every week and doing the business in the legendary 3rd division, led out of course by player/manager ally 'the end of the leg' McCoist.

Well I'd watch it.

Gazza said some great heartfelt things about Rangers in that article but I honestly wish the Sun would stop harrassing the guy in order to get news stories, we all know he is in a fragile state of health. BB

A disgrace what they put in these daily rags.. just for shock value, it's what causes the uproar between all teams.. bless Gazza, i hope he is doing well..

10 Jul 2012 11:45:29
Front page of the Sun? What a joke. Honesltly Bears, and I mean this sincerely, you guys have got to start standing your ground and stop idiots like these even getting within a sniff of anything to do with your club.

The idiots are the people who pay money!! to read the Sun.

10 Jul 2012 11:42:58
Time to boycott subbuteo

10 Jul 2012 10:56:33
Celtic fan here. I hope the players
who have gone to other clubs get
international clearance only after
Rangers get some sort of compensation
for them. GH

10 Jul 2012 09:30:43
Can someone tell me if the history of rangers fc will be moved over to the newco?

10 Jul 2012 04:52:29
I for one hope Rangers never deal with Everton again after ripping us off for Jelavic , to come back and do the same again with naisy really does my head in, I would of thought these all mighty premiership clubs would of at least had the decency to pay some form of compensation ! Or allowed loan signings to arrive as part of the deals !

Are u mental we ave done it for years with the lesser teams in scotland get a lifeI

Really? You might have thought you might have paid your transfer debt before whining about this.How many teams do you owe now?

Rip off? How much was it Rangers owed Everton at that point in time?

How did they rip you off?....sound more like why you can t profit from buying a car on HP and flogging it the next day and not repaying the original finance.

How can ranger,s deal with everton again,how did they rip you off ?garlar07

WHAT? WHAT? is this the same Jelavic that old rangers NEVER paid for?....ex bears think before you post.. Timalloy

In fairness there is heavy rumours that Rangers still owed up to a million to Everton for Michael Ball

Why should we pay money for somthing that Rangers didnt own, there is no one to blame apart from the former ower/board, Naisy was a free agent we seen the oppertunity and took it

None of this is Everton's fault, I do feel sorry for you guys but if your club was run better you wouldnt be in this situation

Micky Blue

Think you will find no one will ever be doing deals with Rangers as Rangers are no more gone dead buried extinct.

Ian {Ed039's Note - Boooooooooooring, change the tune)

I for one hope hearts, rapid vienna,celtic and dundee utd never deal with newco again as they are all owed money. shamrock {Ed039's Note - Newco again? As we are constantly reminded, newco has no history blah blah blah, so how can they do business "again")

"Ripping us off for Jelavic"? Was he not for sale to any club prepared to do the deal? Tend to agree about Naismith and the others - if things had been handled properly there would have been decent transfer fees in the pot for creditors.

Blame Craig Whyte for Jelavic don't blame Everton. If Whyte had been a competent and more honest businessman Jelavic would have been sold to West Ham for a higher price but Whyte wanted the maximum cash ASAP so went for a lesser bid with more dosh upfront.

Anyway I suspect you are a Celtic man making a comment so other Celtic fans can drone on about how we ripped off Rapid Vienna in the first place for Jelavic. BB

Uve gotta b havin a laugh mate, everton ripped rangers off?! Rangers never even paid rapid in full and still made a profit on his sale! Unbelievable! L1888

What goes around. Rememeber the time when your club used a loophole to get Zurab Khisinvilli (spelling) from Dundee rtather than pay even £25k.
Karma son, Karma!

Oh my god,everton never ripped you off they never reported you to FIFA because of the close ties of clubs,rangers were heavy in debt and owed everton monies from various deals everton had gentlemans agreement over these debts which the rangers board honoured when they could have taken higher bid from west ham,everton hardly parted with a penny,as for Naismith what's the problem we're do you think he would rather be...evertons 1st game man utd at Goodison sold out...rangers maybe 3rd division side watched by a dozen people and a dog

Come on mate we owe everyone, Rapid Vienna, Hearts, even Celtic £70k.....on tickets we sold and never paid up......
I thought the RFFF was to pay these debts..... Now Green has the club there's no need for a fighting fund.

Talking about ripping off clubs,have rangers paid rapid vienna the full amount for jelavic?what about the cash for wallace,goian etc?silly me thats the old rangers unpaid debts,sorry.

The irony is lost on you isn't it........rapid vienna owed money for jelavic

Would this be the same thing you did to killie regarding boyd and naismith

hail hail

Marco1888

14) would that be the same loophole Dundee used to get him in the first place or was it a different one?

09 Jul 2012 22:45:01
Heard from close friend of Green that Fifa are going to rule on the rebel players, he is going to take them to court, to try to stop this, more penalties now for taking on Fifa, what next, the circus goes on and on.

Rubbish, Green will go to Court of Arbitration for Sport which is correct process and within the rules for appealing.

Are ranger,s and newco the same team if they are history and debt remain,newco no history,no debt,no punishment.which is it,garlar07

09 Jul 2012 21:07:45
If SFL vote us into div one then that is their decision, not ours. If sporting integrity is not seen to be done then the SFL clubs will be guilty of this, not us.
Why, why do you still want div three. It is beyond belief.

If it was our decision which league to go into and chose div one the I can understand the sporting integrity chestnut
being used, but it is not our decision, it is SFL clubs
decision.

Can we please stop demanding div three, it would be awful.

I know it would be aweful for a while, but I think most of us want Div3 because that is the best we can within the actual rules. I don't these other clubs trying to do us favours. It just means that all the supporters will just tell us that we got special breaks. Sure their clubs voted for it but it still doesn't change the fact that we got special treatment.

I just want any favours from these guys, I want Rangers to be able to climb back up to the top by ourself without any help.

SFL clubs are not being given a "free and fair" election on this as there is a huge carrot and a huge stick being waved by Regan.

If the SPL and SFA want to manoeuvre Rangers into SFL1 then the SPL needs to be dissolved and all members apply to SFL which should then restructure (should it choose to).

Remember it would be D1 with sanctions attached.

And Division 1 with a squad of 10-13 with a stack of penalties would be any better. Both routes would likely mean we would be in Division 2, the season after next. I for one would rather be in Div. 2 after winning the 3rd, than having been relegated due to a mountain of penalties from Div. 1.

Once again the answer is Money! with sky's contract up for renewal next season the spl want rangers back in the top league without us they will get a very reduced fee! thats why the gers fans want to make sure that all these clubs who have shown total hatred for our club pay their price, Follow Follow!!

Agreed it is the sfl's decision now! we have said were more than happy to go to division 3 so integrity cannot come into it, although I do wonder how much of it is just smoke screens when everyone and the club say's they want 3rd division, is there some info been leaked on the probabilty of us going into the 1st? I for one hope it's the 1st, relegation, 10 point deduction, 160,000 fine, no runners up cash, loss of all our players, 3 year european ban, possible transfer embargo, admin followed by liquidation, what further punishment can be given to us we have already had to many! *ksd*

@3 yes, that's the appeal of SFL3. The honest way forward and let the football do the talking.

09 Jul 2012 20:38:34
so the powers that be want to parachute us into div1. for the sake of the game in scotland aye right BS. they are thinking no further than their own cushy jobs. if we accept sanctions to play in div1 it amounts to nothing more than a bribe from SFA,SPL. WHAT HAPPENED TO SPORTING INTEGRITY?

09 Jul 2012 19:57:48
cmon people get real who cares about away strip or 3rd strip stars etc the crest will be the same and the jersey will still be royal blue thats good enough for me. and buy the way lets not be stupid and go out buying the new strips. this guy green has got the engine running in the getaway car. dont give him a penny.

09 Jul 2012 19:49:17
got to laugh at all this send us to div1 with sanctions, for the sake of sporting integrity. sporting integrity my@rse. every club in spl apart from mhanks that voted us out did it for their own personal gain. my reasoning behind this? without us in league the majority will fancy their chances of finishing in second place, or maybe even making europa league spot. they want sanctions against us to make it as difficult as possible to get back to spl. every one of them are only thinking about money they can make if we not there. and why have the mhanks kept quiet? because they know we will be back and they will need our support fighting off the rest.

Remarkable. Last week Scottish football needed you to survive. Now they've voted no to make money. Stop thinking so much, leave it to us 'mhanks', you'll give yourself a headache.

IPLWT

GoldCoastBhoy

The mhanks? When did the Isle of Man get involved in all this then ?

3 legs. It's all Rangers have on the park at the moment.