Rangers Banter Archive June 10 2012

10 Jun 2012 21:50:24
greene has said he can raise 10 million by having an airline spomsoring Ibrox park... get real, what airline is going to get itself involved with an issue that will only cause it grief.

Well do you think green is a yorkshire fly man ? why dont we back someone who i think is genuinely trying to help our club or would you rather see it die completely ,of course he is a businessman and he quite right to make something out of it for himself ,just look at fergus mc cann and what he did,he wasnt liked but he got results in the end doug t.s.o

An Irish one I hear!

Briggs

1# So you think that Green is here to help your club? Green is a shyster who can see the chance to make a real killing using fans money to loan to rangers.Sound like a good deal to you? Since the day he arrived he has been found out in his lies and rhetoric.McCann was a wealthy Celtic fan,Green knows nothing about rangers except there are 40k season tickets to grab.This guy will cause you more pain than gain.But im guessing you cheered Whyte down edmiston drive

Poster 3 no im afraid i saw whyte for what he was a glorified pompous wide eyed public school boy ,i dont cheer murray ,whyte .for i have known for years what murray was all about through my accountant a tic supporter ,for example what did souness know about gers as far as i can remember he was a jam tarts supporter ,and just for your information im no sunshine weather supporter first game i was at ibrox was in 1956 ,lifted over the turnstile in main enclosure , the problem with a lot of gers supporters is their all style and nae fitba ,they dont back up the club when they should doug t.s.o

4# Well after seeing murray and whyte for what they were what has green done to earn your support?Nothing he has said so far can be substantiated,now he is rattling on about signing players while clubs are still owed money from transfers.Should supporters like you not be demanding pertinent questions and truthful answers? Example;if the CVA is refused whats his plan b? remember HMRC have liquidators standing on call so i would think plan b should be ready to implement asap.

Poster no 5 ,why dont you wait and see what developes in next week or so ,i dont see anyone else trying to do anything to save the club ,im in a similiar position with hmrc ,when you see what they took me to court for you would see how incompetent they are it took them 7 months to process my figures and 1 of their employees admitted to my accountant they were in a bit of a mess ,the nitty gritty is this government and the last is all about screwing in as much money from the public as they can .eg.south ayrshire rife with speed traps tonight all the way into glasgow doug t.s.o

6# Nice deflect but answer the question,why do you trust Green? And by the way if a HMRC employee admitted that to your accountant i would think about getting a new accountant!Speed traps? Your running off at some strange tangents here mate.I may be wrong but looking at your other posts i think you might be a bit of a walter mitty.

10 Jun 2012 21:23:29
rangers fans watching jelavic at euro 2012 should be hoping he scores a few goals and everton receive massive bids for him because as has been previously reported rangers will receive a 20 percent sell on clause so should our club survive then that would be money very welcomed. cannot see him at everton for very much longer he is far too good for them and i am sure ed would agree with me there. and on naismith to everton james mcfadden stayed in my street when he was younger and i know he is the type of person who would not go about making up rumours about fellow proffesionals he is not that type of guy so the previous posts about this rumour are utter bull. fact.

Dream on, he won't move anywhere in the next year, you might want it. you might need it, but forget it, the man its at the top of where he is going, you hectors will see no money from him.

Might have known one of you septic fans would ' chirp in ' with a comment like that ! tell me, any septic striker that has actually,moved to the premiership recentley, and scored 11 goals from 15 games ..... none!

Jelavic has done well, but when was the last time Celtic had to sell their top goalscorer mid-season to make ends meet? Plus, I don't really think you can take credit for the player as he has never been paid for, has he?
Al

Rumors coming from the same mcfadden who was coming to play for celtic about 5 different times, wouldn`t trust him as far as i could throw him {Ed039's Note - My claim to fame, I saved a penalty from James McFadden in an Under 15s game lol)

@2: does it really matter?

You have not paid rapid for him yet and you want more money from his next transfer ..unbelievable....col

Ed, theres a peg for you at ibrox and I bet even Charlie green could afford you. {Ed039's Note - I am a bit heavier than in my Under 15 days, I found kebabs and beer a few years later)

Interesting case jelavic. How does that debt fit into a cva ? If cva is accepted by rapid (man, scottish and austrian football dont mix well) then he is sold on for megabucks how can rangers get that money ? If rangers are liquidated then 0 anyway. Rapid will go to CAS and claim rangers sell on fee whatever happens. Bet thats why rapid are silent on this. What an unholy mess.

10 Jun 2012 18:40:51
SCOTTISH football will risk chaos next week by publishing a full fixture list - despite Rangers' future still being shrouded in doubt.
The SPL and SFL will both release the season's schedule at 9am on Monday, June 18.
And the stricken Ibrox club WILL be included in the top flight's plans.
That's despite a litany of disasters awaiting them which could disrupt the entire card.
Gers' CVA goes to the vote on Thursday and if it fails to pass they will have to apply as a newco to a hostile SPL for their share in the division.
The SPL board will also meet on June 18 for a briefing in their investigation into allegations that the Ibrox club's players had dual contracts.
And it emerged last night Rangers are tying a furious SFA's hands behind their backs over setting a date for their Appeals Tribunal to reconsider the transfer ban case the club took to the Court of Session.

Regan was right, all the problems of Scottish football are down to one club.

I can't remember Regan saying it was ALL down to Celtic, just mostly.

@1 he he he nice one!

Be grateful they run football and not an airline.

1&2. You two boys at the back stop sniggering and pay attention. You might learn something from the grown ups.

10 Jun 2012 13:07:34
Ogilvie: I�d quit if I caused SFA grief

CAMPBELL OGILVIE last night vowed to quit as SFA president if he became an embarrassment.
Ogilvie, who got £95,000 from an Ibrox Employee Benefit Trust, insisted he did not know the extent of the payments and claimed he had no idea the scheme might be illegal.
And he said he was confident the SPL probe into Rangers� use of EBTs would clear his name.
Ogilvie, 60, said: �If I�m causing the SFA a problem and the board or clubs felt that, then I�d stand down.
�If it was put to me to stand down while this is ongoing and that was the feeling of the board or members then I would do that.

He's hopelessly conflicted. He might not sit in meetings on Rangers but he can have cosy chats with others in his office that do. And as SFA president if they wish to keep their cushy jobs they had better do as he says. It really stinks and he needs to go NOW.

Also is he wearing a toupee?

Time to go regardless. He's been there far too long. The SFA reformation must continue and not flounder. Only a professional open and honest association backed up by respect for the integrity of its decisions will do.

Yes I agree it's a wig.

He had less hair at Rangers.

10 Jun 2012 12:03:50
Dons Supporters Together issued the following statement earlier last month with regards to the ongoing situation with Rangers FC.
DST views with increasing concern the possibility that SPL clubs will vote to allow direct entry of a newco to the SPL with minimal penalties. The overwhelming opinion of supporters in Scotland is that a newco should enter senior football by applying for admission to the SFL 3rd division and working their way up again in a sustainable and honest way. Rangers like all other member clubs must be seen to comply with the rules and honour their debts, otherwise why should fans ever bother to turn up again, knowing for sure that the league is permanently rigged in their favour.

The mantra being repeated by most pundits and the officials of the SPL is that it is in the member clubs’ financial interest that a Rangers newco is immediately admitted to the SPL. The purported grounds are that Rangers along with Celtic bring about £700,000 a year to the other clubs by their fans attendance at matches and the TV deal. The message now being put about is that integrity and fair play is trumped by the financial imperative to survive since Scottish football will supposedly cease to be viable if Rangers are not in the top league. How can this stance be squared with Rangers and Celtic’s insistence in recent years that their departure to England/an Atlantic League would not be detrimental to Scottish football?

These assertions must be strongly challenged by the SPL club chairmen. Firstly, who are making the assertions? Many of the proponents of the “status quo” being essential have a vested interest. Media pundits and the press pack know that there will be far less appetite for their blanket coverage of the Old Firm if there is a transfer embargo and Rangers are facing East Stirlingingshire twice a season rather than Celtic. Their jobs hang in the balance. Clearly Rangers officials and supporters want their club at the top table winning trophies every season with guaranteed European football. They also have a vested interest for either financial or emotional reasons.

Now for the financial reality. In the case of our own club, in a season when AFC is in the top six, Rangers will normally add about 8000 over 2 games to the overall attendances for the season. Including programmes, food and other ancillary sales, the annual revenue is therefore about £200,000. Ranger’s fans represent about 4% of Aberdeen’s gate revenue in an average season, and if we have a good run in Europe, such as 4 seasons ago their effect is reduced to 2% of gate revenue.

Should Dundee (probably the best supported club in the SFL 1st division) be promoted into Rangers place, they have historically brought at least 2000 fans to Aberdeen matches, so the Rangers effect is reduced to £150000. If only 300 AFC fans fail to renew their season tickets and walk away from the club next season as a result of a misguided vote to allow a Rangers newco direct entry to the SPL, the effect of any Rangers support attending Pittodrie will be cancelled out. This is an entirely plausible scenario, which may well be repeated across all the SPL clubs given the strength of feeling being demonstrated across Scotland on this issue. SPL club chairmen will only finally count the cost of their decision when season ticket sales fail to materialise, by which time it will be too late to persuade the fans that the SPL is not permanently rigged in favour of the “too big to fail” clubs. The SPL chairmen should indeed “be careful what they wish for” if they vote for finance over integrity.

The TV deal melt-down scenario must also be challenged. If imaginative thought is applied, an alternative TV deal could be put together which would replace the current tired format. Rugby Super League in England has a £90m 5 year deal with Sky despite having lower attendances than the SPL. That is a better deal than the SPL had, so why can a minority sport with lower support do it and the SPL can’t? Probably because we are competing with the EPL and UEFA games, and therefore get less money and the lunch-time, Friday and Monday evening kick-offs to fill in the TV schedule gaps. If we go for summer football, we would be the only show in town for several weeks of the year and our product would be much more valuable. We could increase the league size as the customers want, have bigger play offs to keep the end of the season alive, and if OF games are actually essential to the deal, re-introduce the old League Cup qualifying groups at the start of the season with Rangers and Celtic in the same 4 team group to start the season with 2 OF games before the league starts. Overall, a revised programme for the season could easily generate the same cash as before from a TV deal, whether Rangers are in the SPL or not.

Finally let us address the potential absence of £500,000 a year income from TV. This could be replaced by increasing the average home gate by attracting only 1000 extra fans to every home game. The latent support for a successful Aberdeen FC is there to be had. 18,000 made the long trip to Glasgow for a 1215 kick-off only last month. If the AFC product on the pitch was more attractive and marketed as enthusiastically as a certain well known North-East house building company’s product, a target of 1000 extra season ticket fans to replace the TV income could easily be reached.

In summary, AFC like all the other SPL clubs does not need Rangers in the SPL to survive and thrive, and must vote for integrity in our national

press statement released today.

No doubt this statement will be met with derision and contempt by rangers fans, but i for one was impressed with it.

Lets hope the SFA, SPL and each club listens to true supporters. The problems at rangers have not only affected your club, they've had rippling effects throughout the game in this country and your "sink us and we'll sink you" campaign is not helping. Your fighting fund was to enable your supporters to help out your failing club and reclaim some pride, all it has done is battle an irrelevant transfer ban and annoy FIFA!

How you can expect to sign Gattuso when Wallace/Jelavic not been paid is staggering! Time to admit to your problems, pay back all that you can and most importantly show remorse for your actions. Scottish Football may then start to respect your club again.

DazzaBhoy

So if you were to buy a company you would be happy to pay all the debts it had incurred,although you were not responsible for them ? BlackpoolBear.

@: if a company owed you money, went into administration, offered you a paltry amount in a CVA while the prospective owner was talking bringing in £30m+ to spend, would you be happy?

Yes we would

@3 30m to spend FS where did you get that from, if we have a team on the park in august it will be a major milestone for us

JG

@5: Green talking about raising £30m. Maybe not to spend it all but you get the idea - talking about bringing in such funding while offering creditors next to nothing doesn't go down well.

# 2 Wouldn't buy the firm in the first place.

Well in this instance you would'nt buy the
club anyway

@2. That is the very deal whyte is supposed to have made.

Motherwell fans backing Aberdeen on this one.

10 Jun 2012 10:42:17
Heard the fighting fund is skint,
any confirmation on this?

Heard its paid for a few strategy meetings in posh hotels, with overnight rooms, lunches and dinners and drinks.
Alright if u can get it.
Who would deny our boys such comforts?

1# I also heard this hotel and expenses rumour.This should be looked into as if its true thats just not right.

We'll never know RFFF isn't a company nor a charity and is completely outside any legal governance system. They don't publish certified accounts.

4) I would've thought the RFF had to be as transparent as possible, there should be a website listing every penny that has been spent or why should fans donate money and have no idea where it's going

I pointed out at the beginning that handing over money like that was risky. Probably so did many others hence the small amount raised, I hope. Its a mess.

10 Jun 2012 03:07:04
HMRC in court on Thursday morning to remove Duff and Phelps.
BDO have been instructed to give 14 days deadline for bidder/s to give a realistic price to Rangers assets valued at approx 50-60 million.
After the 14 days the auction begins. {Ed039's Note - Source??)

Rumour the CVA is a lie where it tells creditors zero payback on a vote for liquidation. When actually the biggest payback is on liquidation.

Craig Whyte's Miami company has security over his Rangers Group which has security over the assets. This trick requires creditors to go to court to undo it.

10 Jun 2012 01:28:35
in the papers on monday, rangers have succesfully negotiated a 6 month transfer ban wth the sfa and this will keep their position on the league.rangers will also be banned from the scottish cup for a year. nice to be allowed to negotiate punishments!

So Rangers can go to court claiming a punishment given should not stand as it's not in the rules then negotiate an alternative, part of which is not in the rules?

Yes you can negoiate punishments ,i was out road testing a hgv for sale with trade plates on the front of vehicle ,i got done with dvla for not displaying a rear plate ,procurator fiscal came up to me at break and asked me to plead guilty and hed be lenient ,i didnt ,defended myself and was admonished but made to pay back road tax doug t.s.o {Ed039's Note - Deals are made in courts all the time)

The point of #1 was that it seems to be all about what Rangers want. The club wasn't happy with a punishment because it wasn't in the rules but would be OK with their proposal that's not in the rules. It's a bit hypocritical.

Deal making in court isn't the SFA doing a deal. It cannot, the SFA's integrity as a national sporting body association would be destroyed, all 300 member teams would be betrayed if a deal was done and every Scottish fan would walk away from this deal making corruption. How could FIFA allow this?

2# Gotta say that sounds like fiction to me.A: i have a class one and it is always the driver who is liable in these cases as you should have checked the plates,insurance etc before going on the road,B:A fiscal in court for this kind of offence? C: Pay the road tax? for how long? the hour you were driving? A guy i know got down for not removing haz chem plates from an empty vehicle and got £250 and three points,reason: as a professional driver he knew the rules.

Don't know if "Successfully" is an accurate account.
What it essentially means is that instead of a years transfer embargo,it's been halved to six months,and RFC disqualified from the Scottish cup.
So when does the 6 month ban come into effect? Is it immediate,meaning we can't sign anyone pre season,and finishes in November? Is at the start of the season,August to January?
Or from December to May? Either way it's immaterial. Obviously the best scenario for Rangers is if it is December 2012 till end of season May 2013,as this would allow us to purchase players now.Only other option is the transfer window in January,but not many teams willing to part with their better players at this point,so why is it being deemed successful"?
Probably the reason why Green is wanting the original punishment reinstated,as at least we'd be allowed in the cup.
P.O.B.