Rangers Banter Archive May 10 2013

 

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10 May 2013 21:57:38
There is no-one on the Rangers Board who inspires me with confidence.
The liquidation process should have resulted in a clean slate and a transparent balance sheet. This has not happened.
I blame the board.
What to do.
Rangers season ticket holders should combine and buy a share in the business with a seat on the board and insist on a change of course.

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Very very good idea

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But with the supporters groups being wined and dined in the Blue Room, they are not wanting to rock the boat. they have sold their souls to the devils.

So we have no single person to get behind in order to do this.

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11 May 2013 09:18:57
Aint going to happen.

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As long as walters there wel be ok

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A £300 season ticket buys 535 shares.

2,000 fans doing that and you have 1.7million shares in the club.

10,000 fans and a £3m investment should get you on the board.

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@4) you're insane. Walters recent threat shows how incompetent he is at such things. He's a complete niave newbie at club board level and its glaringly obvious to the market.

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Instead of putting our faith in a board that has let us down or a saviour who might not materialise, season ticket holders should combine.
This can be done and would certainly concentrate minds.
This club is the support.
They cannot take this away from us.
Set up a fund - only season ticket holders can contribute to it - someone is elected to sit on the board.
This should be our priority.
Their priority is to secure our season ticket money for next year. But what are they going to do with it?

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@5. If everybody did that and just paid in at games it would change the whole dynamic. The share price would rise due to demand. The true situation would come out. Think back to ticketus. The ST lump sum has been traded in the past and seems to have kept everything going. Is it possible Murray and smith are blocking the ST money coming in? What are the shares actually shares of? What are the assets of the company?

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10 May 2013 19:26:19
Salim kerkar just been released wouldn't mind him back!

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Oh yeah he was amazing first time around mate. Let's sign him up he can sit next to Argyriou, Cribari and the rest of the dud foreigners. Gimme a break!

GRD

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And why was he released?

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He walked

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10 May 2013 16:56:56
still too many supporters on here, still looking for a sugar daddy, can we not just realise that nobody will ride into ibrox with millions and bail us out without walking away with a hefty profit, sorry but that is how the world works

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Your right. for over 20 years we had someone do it for us while we sat back and look where it got us. We as fans need to wake up. its up to us. but this someone will come in mentality needs to end

but first we need to get rid of they ones milking the club for their own gain.

at least McCann lasted for 5 years and done what he intended

8 months and shares sold to to bus drivers. previously saying no one should have control sold for a few pounds

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10 May 2013 19:01:27
Absolutely correct football is a business. but a rangers supporting businessman is preferred option as long as he is not clouded by unrealistic dreams in the scottish game and gets a proper scouting network in place there should never need to be a black night or white knight in the future for that matter. bri blue

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10 May 2013 20:00:45
Who put money in for 20 years? Because it certainly wasn't Murray. How did the fans sit back? What about all season ticket money merchandise etc. We have bought over the years. Murray was taking out loans not out his own pocket

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Green said no one to own more than 10% but Earley's will have 16% if he sells to them. They are saying medium term, which is after dec2013 after the first anniversary of share offering, green cannot sell until then.

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We just want a bit of stability and get on with playing football.
Who said anything about a sugar daddy?

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@5 the vast majority of posts are on here wishing a new "Rangers Minded" billionaire would walk in and spend his millions on buying success once more!
I think the last one being begged to buy the club was Mr McColl! Maybe you need to read some of the comments on here to see that!

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10 May 2013 11:01:33
I have seen no comments about the paper "Rangers Football philosophy" presented to CG before he left. Wonder what fellow bears think of the ideas in the paper. I for one think some of them are the way forward.
Phil

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Anyone can put ideas on paper, the real masterstroke is putting it into practice, my greatest concern is no matter how good an idea people have our ambitions will never be achieved while ally is our manager, sorry ally

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10 May 2013 07:57:34
look I wish all rangers fans would accept that walter smith is not a god. the amount of people who think he just needs to wave his hand and everything will be ok is laughable. he was an ok manager in a poor league who thought he would get EPL offers when he left but he's not rated anywhere except rangers.

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10 May 2013 10:10:10
Ouch

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Why is he not rated anywhere else.

Went to everton when they had lost all there players kept them from being relegated.

Alex Fergusson took him on at Manchester utd.

Done well with scotland

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OP-A bit harsh I think. If Sir Fergie rated him I'd imagine he's a more qualified judge than yourself, No disrespect intended.
That said, I agree he's no wizard and tacticly he seemed to be limited at times but he was fantastic for us. His performance at Everton should also be looked at in context. The more inteligent of Toffees supporters recognise what a good job he did on a limited budget.

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Ive said in the past if sir walter walks away from rangers they will not recover walter smith is the best manager in scotland since jock stein and any sensible person can't argue with that

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You sat and trolled your mind for something to write and that's what you came up with! Tell me one person who thinks Walters a god? A SIR maybe but not a god.

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Anybody who thinks a manager or footballer is a god needs their head examined but walter has been the best there's been since big jock

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There's plenty of respect for Walter. Especially for his work at dufc with Jim mclean and with Scotland. Drop the sir bit, it makes him look daft, and he's not. I think fergie recognised that he was a world class no. 2 but competent no 1.

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10 May 2013 18:58:41
I think its fair to say that its difficult to make a definitive judgment. He did have a lot of money to spend first time round, only silly to pretend that didn't make a difference. On the other hand, he did well second time round with less money, though still a lot comparatively with others. Did do well for scotland. As for 'best since Stein' claim, if you ignore Sir Alex and Jim McLean that's not really saying that much. All in all, I don't think anyone could reasonably argue he was at least quite good. Beyond that difficult to say.

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What nonsense. the everton fans hated him. fergie gave him a part time assistants job for 5 mins because he was needing a friend. walter is not a sir either and as for being a great manager. if he's so great why no offers. why is he not managing anywhere. why. because he is not rated

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Walter Smith's credentials are there for all to see and the man deserves all the plaudits going for his fantastic achievements, however. most of his success at Rangers came via the cheque book and his tactics latterly induced claims of him playing anti football when the money dried up. no one person is bigger than the club itself but Mr Smith is a man of great substance as well as that dreaded word " integrity ". his continued presence at Rangers is absolutely vital going forward.

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10 May 2013 21:21:37
@9 what a sad little post from a sad little man,

walter was well liked at everton because he kept them in the EPL, while being told to sell all the first team men, inc, big Dunc, the main man, If you hate him just say so, don't manufacture nonsense you obviously know nothing about?.
It is rather obvious to most sensible people that walter is a great man manager, why do so many players say so? why did Tam Burns say so?
Why did SAF say so? diddy, Tommyblue

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Walter Smith - Legend. End of.

P. O. B.

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@11 get the blue tinted specs off mate as your posts are rediculous! If such a great manager at Everton, why was he sacked from the position?

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Walter Smith: A top class manager.

One of the three best ever in the Scottish game imo behind Stein & Ferguson.

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@11. A lot of everton fans objections to Lennon are based on not liking Smith. I have efc season ticket holders in family and Walter Smith is the least popular manager they've ever had. The fact that he had the dubious SDM cheque book in his pocket is the key to his success. Everton page is full of criticism of Smith.

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11 May 2013 09:22:52
@14 To be fair that's not really saying that much. Behind fergie and stein, ahead of. kenny shiels & co.?

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11 May 2013 10:57:47
He's not even in the top five nevermind top three, clough, paisley, shanks, way, way, way in front of sir myth of cardigan.

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Celtic fan here, yes walter did do great things as manager with rangers, but he is not in the managers position now, being a director is a diffrent kettle of fish and I fear his passion for the club will hamper his decision making, difficult decisions are going to have to be made

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09 May 2013 22:40:09
Does it really cost £10 million a year to run Murray Park? If so, how the f--k?

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It was for kenny millars sunbed sessions but now it is allys sandwiches.

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Theres still a mortgage on it for starters.

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I was at a question session with Sandy Jardine last year and asked the annual running costs, and he said £1.4m

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Green Security for the perimiter
Murray Cleaning
Murray Bin collection
Murray windowcleaning
Murrary rebuiling services
Murray Management.

A major training facility does not come cheap.

We Pay ra People

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Ive seen a few people state that there's still a mortgage on murry pk how can this be if we wer liquidated last year?
Has charles green taken 1out?

Jimmyger

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@5/When Green bought the assets he would have picked it up, with the lenders permission of course.

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soz but I don't seem to get that if rangers were liquidated then (New)rangers are DEBT FREE
that means no mortgages

Jimmyger

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@7, my understanding of a mortgage is that the loan is secured against the property. If the repayments are not met, the lender can reposess the property. If Green had not agreed to keep up the repayments there would be no Murray Park.
Al

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11 May 2013 00:01:49
@7 possibly taking the green/jabba 'debt free' PR line too literally there. Its nice to read but surely we all know its rubbish. Other posters are right, a mortgage is secured on real assets, if the debt isn't paid the creditor (mortgage lender) gets to claw back the assets. There is no way in a balloons dream that the oldco going bust would mean newco somehow could take control of MP etc debt free. that's not the real world unfortunately. There is debt. Big debt. Growing debt. And we as fans should not fail the club again by sitting back once more and wishfully thinking that the cotton wool fabricated spin of "no debt" is the reassuring truth we can rely on. Sorry. Wake up.

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I think you will also find its more than murray park that is morgaged, finally when audited accounts are revealed we will realise the full extent of our troubles

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09 May 2013 23:14:21
this may be long or may be short depending on how much I get pissed off writing this for the second summer on the trot.
i go on holiday on june for a fortnight, a fortnight when I should be chilled out, recharge my batteries then sort out my season ticket for the season going forward, if going by last year you would think that would be the case thinking the corner had been turned.
now it seems worse than last year because we had a chance to get back on the sraight and narrow build a new team play attractive football and build the bridges that where broken from both sides of our club.
as a follower of rangers now for 32 years (do the math I started when I was ten first game thistle at firhill for thrills with my big bro lifting me over the gate lol) I am now seriously fretting over my renewal of S/T
i was hoping to be sunning in my new top for next season but all the mud slinging about who owns this and that is doing my head in, for no one at rangers to make any statement to the fans is terrible, right at the time when the club normally has some income through S/Ts, new tops, league winning merchandise,
im stopping now because i'm now getting pissed off again repeating myself from last season
as a fan to be kept in the dark is frustrating at the best of times but when we appear to be on the brink AGAIN is shoking. Rangers were my life but week in week out it is being drained from me and I would love to have that saturday feeling again which I haven't had since midway through last season. i'm like a wee scaby dug waiting to be put out of his misery which is not a nice feeling, eyes beginig to well up right now again at the thought of no RFC, but hey ho iv still got my fortnight to look forward to albeit with no new top lol
jammydodger

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Its not just me then! I won't be renewing my ST if McCoist is still at the club, don't know what I will do without Rangers, I travel up from near London to most home games and to be honest if the football was better I could put up with the boardroom stuff, not that we've got much choice, but the abysmal amatuerish excuse for tactics that he has taken 2 years + 3 years under Smith to aspire to are not worth crossing the road to watch let alone the journey I make, McCoist epitomises everything that is bad at Rangers just now, he is crap at his job, on loads of money and is ignoring the supporters that he panders to with his disgusting WATP and alike when it suits him, plus he and Smith know what is going on and have kept their mouths shut and their hands in the cookie jar while backing conman after conman.

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We have not got to the stage of agreeing what the problems are

Until we agree on the way forward the club can make no progress

I only know the Easdales will be a disaster

Dignity?
Pride?
Season Ticket renewals?

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If you regularly read these pages you'll know I feel your pain troops.

No ST renewal for me as things stand just now.

Feels like watching a family member slowly decline. Truly awful

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Chin up bears you'll have to weather the storm for a while yet but the only way forward for you is to stem the blood supply that feeds the vultures feeding on what remains of the corpse of your club that means no shirts no s/t's no merchandise until all the parasites are gone then and only then can you together build somthing new or forever go round in circles waiting on a miracle that's never going to come good luck honestly from a tim who's sick of the whole episode maybe not as much ad you guys but enoughs enough

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@3 Normally when one of our family has been ill and dying our family members come from near and far to support them and each other, you don't normally abandon them to face their uncertainty alone.
I do not however want to criticize you for not renewing your ST as that is about personal choice, but I do question why we would want to starve our struggling club to a certain death by not supporting them, to me this makes no sense, surely we should be getting behind our team and making it an attractive proposition for future 'good guy' investors?

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11 May 2013 09:32:24
@5 The question is whether continuing to pour cash in to the club actually amounts to 'support' in these awful circumstances. We don't ven know who owns the assets! Nor what happens to the cash we pour in with the good intentions of supporting the club. It could be that our ST moneynext year simply amounts to the last lining of a bloodsuckets pocket before another liquidation. IMO real support just now means somehow organising to demand ransparency ahead of stumping up cash. That way the bad guys realise the game is up and we have a chance of turning the page into a new chapter.

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