Rangers Banter Archive April 11 2012

 

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11 Apr 2012 23:25:23
I've been hearing for months that Scottish football doesnt need or want rangers yet they are s**tting themselves about losing us. Dont change the rules for our benefit, if we become a newco it will break my heart but I'd rather start again in the 3rd div than pull favour from SPL. The SPL clubs don't want us in 3rd div as they'd all be effected financially. Can't live with us but are scared without us. I'd rather give Alloa Brechin Morton etc some well deserved gate money for a while. The SPL don't care about the Scottish league clubs or there would be more than 1 relegation spot per year. They don't care about rangers and u don't care about them. Pay them what they're due and leave them all to themselves for 3 years.

BFH.

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Thats the plan.....b

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Rangers will be in the SPL next season. Exactly how this transpires remains to be seen but the other clubs will realise they need the money.

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@BFH; What a load of cobblers.what sort of team do you think you will have in div3? What sort of income do you think you would have? What price season books? rangers v alloa,brechin etc,how much would you pay?

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11 Apr 2012 21:59:15
i would support boycotting rangers support going to away games, after all these will be the same clubs who will be voting on our future in the meeting of april the30th to decide our future this way we can determine their future as well, we should not just stand back and do nothing. we should all stand shoulder to shoulder for rangers and let these people know we will not be pushed around.

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Agree they are having a kick when we are down. Let them see how much they will miss our over inflated ticket spend.for years
They have been living off the old firm for ever, some of them can't get 5000 people in, and they are changing the rules after the event.
Would rathergo to div3 than pay them.

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If the Ticketus consortium buys Rangers they will want to maximise season tocket sales to protect their investment. Playing in SFL3 not an option.

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11 Apr 2012 21:45:12
ED, just a thought, if we go into liquidation and with the sanctions that could be put against us could we apply to the English leagues as a nuco it may take us 4-5 years to work our way up but it could be 3 years here, what do you think. {Ed001's Note - it would take a hell of a lot longer than 4-5 years to work your way up in England. You would not be allowed to join the Football League, you would have to join at least two steps under that, even if they allowed you in, which is doubtful.}

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IT'S BACK! there is no chance of playing in england unless your park is there.banstead athletic anyone?

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1.) IT'S BACK! there is no chance of playing in england unless your park is there.banstead athletic anyone?

You do not need a ground in England to play in England, that would be breaking EU regulations regarding freedom of where you operate your business from. {Ed001's Note - not true, they do not apply to sports.}

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How about newco buys Carlisle Utd and plays there until they can negotiate their way back to Ibrox?

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How can a new co buy Carlise. That would cause 10 million where does that money come from

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11 Apr 2012 21:27:15
what the point in starting with ten point less forget it let the spl get on way it i would rather see us start off in 3 division an play our way to the top again remeber if we could win a cup we would get back in europe aswel this is the way forward since we keep geting kicked in the teeth by al these rule changes and delays to selling us we need to move forward an quick

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Agree with most you say but is a newco not barred from uefa for 3 years?

BFH

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Liquidation is an automatic 3 year ban.....b

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11 Apr 2012 20:31:59
The last post is a freekin joke, why would rangers fans not go to Celtic park? Rangers fc still need to pay for tickets which would put your club in more debt, as for charge Celtic fans what ever u like, need the money do we?

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I don't think we should goto the piggery.

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Rangers only pay for the freekin away tickets they take, if they take none then they pay freekin 0

JG

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11 Apr 2012 21:17:15
this is complete joke way all these delays how can u just change the rules like that to hurt rangers the rules are there just now so it should only be for new teams at go into admin thats the spl fault that there is no other sanctions in the rules just now we should move out the spl cause its a laughing stock liquadate now and just get it over and done with so we can forward plan

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Because they like to make it up as they go along. The SFA/SPL couldn't find their backside in an ar*e kicking contest, so why would you expect anything else from them. Check who's on their boards and you'll find it explains alot.

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Yea,bring back the old SFA, full of rangers connections and cheating.more to come as well

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11 Apr 2012 21:12:15
Think there is a few bears being a bit hasty on here the spl are going to sanction a newco and ur spitting blood at them a mean half of the ten you owe a lot of monies to but obviously these clubs are looking after future revenue boycotting away games has been mentioned because u feel they are out to get you do u not understand why no? Celtic are fighting your corner on this one because of the ten altering the rules I have read the list of creditors
And it's about the length of my arm it makes bad reading but all you want to do is blame everyone else for wanting their money

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Celtic are 'fighting our corner' as you put it, out of self interest. If it did not affect Celtic, they wouldn't give a toss about Rangers and the other 10.

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It feels to me and every other fan that the rest of the micky mouse spl teams are kicking us when we are down, we as fans are not responsible for our situation, its the big wigs at the top who missmanaged and tried to con other clubs and businesses, this is not the fans fault, im sure rangers will survive as i still beleive we are too big a club to be liquidated

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Behave urself sandheid,ur club have been run disgracefully u owe everyone from the tax man to bubbles the clown and yet your bleating about everyone having a kick,u lot have some brass neck,no dignity no manners no shame no class
Hoodbhoy

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11 Apr 2012 20:41:38
if the SPL meeting is to punish clubs that go into liquidation and not administration it would be a good thing as this would stop anyone coming in and liquidating us, does it not help us to keep our history

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11 Apr 2012 20:18:39
Rusty the genius tim!!ed are you looking for a new employee??just all the rangers fans love me and think I know everything (it's true,I do) I seem to be the only person on this page who actually knows what I'm talking about!it's comedy gold reading all this sh*t from the tax dodgers,who only wash when playin 5's so they can get shower gel from there team mate and so they don't have to pay for hot water!!this is supporters who actually think Davis and aluko are great players(ability and ambition are to different things)they've got little of 1(ambition for playing for tax dodgers) and none of the other 1 (ability).p.s I'm only 3inches in the ?? Department.................fae the ground!hail hail rusty you's can't beat me in any argument for I know everything the tim!!!

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Rusty Im glad that the doctors successfully removed your legs, is the water deep too? ;) CheltBlue

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@1. Think they removed his brain also..lol

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Is that your Rusty Smallpiece?

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Interesting thoughts Rusty, amazing what ideas you can come up with between bouts of Leccy shock treatment.
Stevie-A-Bear

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11 Apr 2012 20:06:38
We bears should NOT go to away games then see how the others feel about no away supporters money coming in.
Scooby bear WATP

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Rangers should secure the right to show their away games on the big screen at Ibrox, charge fans £6ish to go in and watch. Dont boycott going to the footy, just put the money in Rangers pockets? CheltBlue

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Please start it at the home of the champs......DH

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@1) of course! sky will love that,are you mad?

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@3. If we end up in Div3, don't think SKY will be too bothered.

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@4;east stirling v rangers live by beamback? wow.ipox will be heaving for that!

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@5. And there will be more there watching the Gers than what the other teams in the SPL could get through their turnstiles.

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Killie vs Celtic 6-0 Celtic, queens park vs rangers, 6-0 rangers, whats the difference?

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No7,probably the only time in the near future that rangers get to play at hampden.

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11 Apr 2012 19:47:37
I don't get Duff and Phelps ..Why are they saying spl statement today may have done damage ...SPL have said they informed duff and phelps befor Easter Break.. So I would imagine they would have to informed bidders of these new changes ..

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Theres no changes as yet,just the voting to get through

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11 Apr 2012 19:54:10
I know those in charge of our club got us into this mess but the rest of the clubs are now trying to kick us when we are down. I think this 30th April meeting is a threat to force us to vote for the changes the gang of 10 want to push through. I think we (and find out if our city neighbours are interested) should serve notice to resign and show the ret of Scottish football that if you lose the old firm be it one or both clubs then it becomes little more than a junior league, no disrespect meant to good honest junior clubs.

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1) Where would Rangers and Celtic then go?

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It would be suicide without other clubs in other countries ready to do the same. ( Atlantic league etc) CheltBlue

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11 Apr 2012 19:53:47
Now we know what it was like to be on Titanic , but it's not water that we're drowning in. Dis bear.

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Remind me how many people died in the titanic? It's only football.

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Ask Joe O'Rourke - General Secretary, CSA.

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11 Apr 2012 18:41:22
Celtic fan here!

I am hearing a lot of the SPL chairman want any clubs liquidated to be demoted to Div 3.

This will be voted at the meeting on April 30th.

Also SPL are proposing a sanction of 15 points OR a third of the points earned the previous season, which ever is greater.

There will also be a 75% deduction in SPL money for the next 3 years.

I know Celtic are fighting rangers corner on this issue, as Peter lawell is annoyed the OTHER 10 clubs are trying to devalue the Old Firm on the voting rights.

I personally agree with a sanction should a club be liquidated, however the section must be fair.

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As a supporter of a non Old Firm team I find it strange that Celtic and Rangers fans and the press refer to the 10 other SPL clubs as 'the rebels'. Surely they are 'the majority' ? Or am I missing something ?

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11 Apr 2012 18:20:11
Rusty the ring rash tim here!!!just ask yourself this rangers fans,why would it matter what the sfa,spl apply to the new rules regarding a new co??as your all lead to believe the bidders won't put you's into liquidation,well so they tell you's!!I seem to get some pelters fae you muppets but I do talk sence!liquidation is a strong possibility so get it rite up you's! I do know everything and I've proven time and time again!!!please please please put yourself in a businessman shoes and except the big l is close!!!as long as ibrox is there that side will always be classed as a 3rd world country!!!p.s what's it like looking upto champions and worthy champions????hail hail rusty the tim that knows everything!!!

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Give us the winning lottery numbers then

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Rusty I'm awesome the tim!!I can't for I don't want to share the winnings and you would waste it by putting it in the rfff!!

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Who was on the grassy knoll?

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Then you must know it's time to book yourself back in for treatment.
Och awright then Rusty i'll indulge you mate.
Okay, assuming your team of bottle crashers get their act together next season, how many points do you think you'll win the league by?
Stevie-A-Bear

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11 Apr 2012 18:13:20
Shocker.........Yet another D and P Deadline came and gone, since administration hit us d and P have been setting deadline and to date every single one has went past the date set. D and P are a complete joke. SC

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Its more money in DandPs pockets.

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11 Apr 2012 17:48:06
We should all thank the S.F.A. for their support in our hour of need. We,ve supported Scottish football for over 140 years and now through no fault of Rangers or our supporters, they stop us going forward at every opportunity. We'll come through this but lets not forget the S.F.A.'s attitude in all this. Watp forever

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Crap. Rangers have been taking the SPL for a ride for so many years, spending money they couldn't pay back. What do you expect?

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So the SPL has never made money from Rangers being in the SPL? Sponsorship/TV money ring a bell. Yeh poor SPL.

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The spl and sfa have been on your side for so long, yous are just mad that they cant just forget about it and let yous off like they do normaly. they are taking it light on you as it is ex:changing of rules,not investigating yous for years of cheating....what more do yous want? surely you must have one logical thought in your minds to say rangers have done alot wrong...wait till uefa got into this. more things to come out of the woods.

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"Through no fault of rangers". Sorry but am I missing the point here ? Rangers are accused of skulduggery on the tax front, of dual contracts, of non payment of monies due to ther clubs and to a range of individuals and businesses. So who exactly is it to blame ? Is there a parallel universe where another 'Rangers' exists and it has somehow defied the known laws of physics to cross space and time to enter our universe and cause all this trouble ? Stop the denial guys its RANGERS are in the dock....no one else.....you, as fans, just happen to be incidental bit players in this drama.

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11 Apr 2012 17:29:32
Thank you SFA,YOU USELESS BUNCH OF BLAZERS,Rangers should just try and get a move out of Scottish football,start at the bottom elsewhere,we know the agenda the other clubs have,who are all short sighted,do you or the SFA,honestly believe ,any other team,not from the old firm will win the league given the penalties they wish to impose on Rangers,god give me strength,it will be the death knell for top flight football,a one horse race,and an embaressment to all concerned.A warning to all fellow clubs,be careful what you wish for,you are cutting your nose off to spite your face,Billy,a disgusted football fan.

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William,it was a one horse race for 9 years when rangers where spending money they never had,im sure you loved every minute off it.Explain why scottish football need a strong rangers now and why they never needed a strong celtic back then.Rangers created their own mess its about time they sort it out themselves.

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1) The SPL have proposed the resolutions not the SFA.

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So the SPL (or SFA) is supposed to be cool about all the debts Rangers owes to other clubs as well as tax collectors, newsagents and face painters? It's payback time, so prepare to be humble and ask nicely to play with the other 11 kids again.

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The fact is without the Old Firm attraction within the League, no-one outside of Scotland will give a rats ar*e about the football up here. Do you think anyone else cares about a result between Hibs v St Johnstone? (No Offence to these teams) The only game that gets news coverage outside of Scotland is the Old Firm game. Without that interest the game here will suffer in the long run, as no major sponsor will waste their time.

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This SPL rule change is designed for one thing only. They do not want RFC doing business.
There have been 8 scottish clubs who have entered administration since 2001. 4 of them have been in the SPL since 2002. From the records I saw RFC are the only SPL club to get a points deduction.
It takes until now, 10 years after the first SPL club went into admin, to amend the rules - move the goal posts.
Perfect timing, must be p!ssing themselves laughing.
Liquidation looking on the cards now.

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Looks like th 10 teams will need 2 play each other 8 times a season 2 keep ther clubs afloat or they can say ta ta 2 football in this country

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Fxxk the sfa,boycott the Scotland games,dont watch away games,fill ibrox to the hilt,even for pointless friendlies,dont give in to the Rangers haters,we will survive,and hopefully grow to be a better run club and business,follow follow.

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@4, your wrong celtic of millions of fans all over the world and have others that would like to follow and watch the games because as you may have noticed we are building somthing special in the team. we will make football fun to watch and have lots of success to bring us back on the main stage of europe while yous watch in the dark knowing we were always the better team. so people would want to watch celtic and hence see other spl teams and since it will be a level playing field without yous, the other clubs will get more money and expirence in europe like they should have been able to do for all the years yous have been cheating.

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@8. You're not going to start with the 'barca-esque' style of football rubbish again? Your Barcelona style footie was a joy to watch especially in the Cup Final recently. Love the garbage about a level playing field in the SPL, I don't think the rest of the SPL will fall for that one - and experience in Europe, you've got to qualify first and we haven't been too hot at that recently (Any team).

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11 Apr 2012 17:26:47
just a question or thought to your rans fans... yous are playing Linfield, what are your thoughts on that since it seems as though you fans hate anything irish? or do yous not mind because it means making money for yupr club? and so you will just use your horrible song book to show them, even though they are helping yous out.

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It's not a football match, it's a knuckle dragging competition for two of the most hated clubs in football. Both clubs are rotten to the core and hopefully liquidation is contagious and that shower over there catch it.

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Huh? Linfield are a British club with strong ties with Rangers

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Think your missing something pal pmsl

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As I said earlier, Rangers and Linfiled is like drinking whisky and vodka together........a VILE combination.

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We are playing Linfield as we have on other occasions,and our club share a common bond,we hate you hooped lot,ok,that good enough for you,jog on.

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No, you lot think we hate anything Irish because we don't like you. You lot are not the Irish nation although you like to think so. Most of your support have no connection to Ireland and probably couldn't find it on a map. Irish people are very friendly, good natured. (I worked with many of them for over 40 years). So jog on pal and spout you're nonsense somewhere else.

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Linfield are not Irish Einstein, they play in N.I. which is part of the U.K.

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I bet youd have a wee sly kick at the 'hooped lot' if we were down, eh? lol.
bradford bulls fans £506,000
rangers fans £300,000.
i think you should apply to join the rugby league championship. you're not yet in the bull's super league class it seems. john grieg will show you how, he played rugby league for most of his career.
greatest ever player. ya.

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11 Apr 2012 16:47:27
I have read some good posts from rangers fans regarding there horrendous state of affairs..fair play to the HONEST fans who are wanting there club to pay off all debts in full,even if it means selling off all assets& starting from scratch with youths...but for all the ones who disagree& keep wanting a cva,for pennies in the pound,they have no scruples or morales,the REAL FANS want a bit of pride &dignity,so they wont be forever known as shiesters & tax dodgers,we all know its the suits & blazers,ex directors,murray,whyte who are to blame not the FANS..also all the millionaire ex players who took huge amount of so called loans,you dont see them offering the cash back during rangers darkest days,some loyalty been showin there eh!yet all will spout on radios& papers how the club needs saved!!!stevo

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11 Apr 2012 16:33:17
Rangers new Motto.....
For every £5 we give to charity
we will TAKE OUT £10.....
Timalloy

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Aw naw hes back, u escaped from your carers again? Lol.....govan_front87

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Rangers always taking never giving,garlar07

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11 Apr 2012 16:29:54
SPL have announced we may start the next two seasons with a 10 point deduction if we form a newco. Even more reason to start again in the 3rd division. If we pay the same prices as at present then we can build up a decent cash reserve for the future and give our youngsters decent playing experience. The other clubs and the SPL have said they can flourish without us so we should start again and when the time comes we will join the SPL on merit and I have no doubt if Liewell, Thomson and company are right we will join a much better financed and competitive league than it is at present.

Jackie

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If only your corrupt club would have thought this way years ago then the spl could have been a better league then what it is now...yous truley have a huge part in bring the spl to where it is now by stealing europe/reg money and titles and expirence in europe from all the other clubs that had a chance.

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Agree with you for most of your point, but I've got a feeling its got more to do with SPL members other than Lawell. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to get at Lawell, but I think its more likely to be Thompson and his cohorts at the back of this.

As for starting back in Div 3, I have said this would be my preferred option all along, if we had to go don a newco route. Let them get on without us. Look at the hassle caused at Dumfermline, and Dundee Utd just because we were late paying.

Fair enough we have some punishment coming but these retrospective rule changes could put off any prospective buyer.

It's like turkeys voting for Christmas!

Pipeman

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Suely better to be in SPL with -10 than SL3? Worst case (highly unlikely) Rangers relegated to SL1, but that's still one league higher than they would be after winning SL3.

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@1. Corrupt suits YES...corrupt club/fans NO. The rest of your post is the usual septic drivel that appears on here from time to time. Go take an ibruprofen tablet and go to bed.

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11 Apr 2012 16:16:19
from the sdministrators:"We hope to receive feedback from bidders as soon as possible in order for us to take the sale process forward as quickly as we can.
"We fully respect the right of the SPL to review its own rules and regulations and will not comment on the detail of what is being proposed for the meeting on April 30 at this stage.
"However, the fact that such measures are being considered at such a sensitive point in the sale process at Rangers is disruptive and regrettable. We hope to issue a further update by the end of this week."... it seems to me the spl wants rangers to die....jsm

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Dont you worry mate the spl will
protect their established club
no matter how unjust it is.

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Well seeing Liewell's got his hand in the SFA/ SPL. Wishing to change the rules to try and get his club success as they know they can't win fairly...jsm

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These administrators are up to no good. I can see Rangers still being administration at the start of next season, these guys are only lining their pockets. There is a good chance Rangers will be starting next season on -10 points.

Why do they need more feedback from the bidders? They have made their bid so just accept one and get the ball rolling. There is far too much delaying and stalling tactics from these guys.

TTG

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This is all lawells fault you're absolutely right! It's nothing to do with your club not paying taxes etc etc etc some of you really need to get a grip

Bman

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@jsm;just won a league mug

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The SPL won't be held ransom by Rangers. That is the correct way and any decent Rangers fan would want it that way, not to get preferential treatment.

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@2) Mate read over what you have written and try and see the irony. Liewell- Why call Mr Lawell that? Because he runs our club well and within our means? You have been lied to by your last two owners yet you still come up with that! Classic. Only way to win the league? We done it this year through hard work and honesty, can you say the same about your recent success? Honestly I give up at times.......

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@7. So celtic DID do the Japan tour then? That wasn't a porky pie then from Parkhead hierarchy?

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11 Apr 2012 16:10:46
So if someone says to CW we will take on the 30million ticket us money and give 20 million to the creditors and £1 back to you will he walk away?
Also surely the consultant that gave SDM the advice to set up the off shore loans scheme would be liable if they gave bad information. I go hand everything over to my accountant and tell him to deal with the tax, if he does it wrong and HRMC come to take more money a few years later i am sure i would be suing him for the money. I am sure he would have had insurance in place to cover this?
Phil Cornish bear.

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He would mate. All accountants/book keepers need to have Professional Indemnity in place to cover all advice for previous work.
Source: Me as I work in Insurance

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11 Apr 2012 16:08:01
just read this on the scot prem website... Time to boycott away games
As much as we all love following our club
An away game boycott may be the only way to hurt these teams that want to hurt us
No money from our fans and these clubs with already low attendances will start suffering rapidly as we have already seen with Dunfermline and Dundee utd begging to be paid by rangers
f*** THE SPL
f*** THE SFA
f*** PETER LIE-WELL
WE ARE THE PEOPLE
WE DON'T DO WALKING AWAY
AND WE SHOULD NOW ALSO SAY
WE DON'T DO AWAY GAMES
Financial Fair Play
On 30 April 2012 the SPL Clubs will consider a range of proposals to amend the Articles and Rules of the SPL. A brief description of the effect of adopting the Resolutions is provided below.

Resolution 1 proposes an increase in the sporting sanction (points deduction) on any Club which suffers or is subject to an Insolvency Event from 10 points to the greater of 15 points and 1/3 of the Club’s SPL points in the preceding season.

Resolution 2A proposes further sporting sanctions in the event that any Club undergoes an Insolvency Transfer Event (i.e. transfers its share in the SPL to a new company where this occurs because of the insolvency of the transferor) of 10 points in each of two consecutive seasons from the Insolvency Transfer Event.

Resolution 2B proposes revisions to the fee payment arrangements i.e. SPL fees to any Club which has undergone an Insolvency Transfer Event will be reduced by 75% in each of three consecutive seasons from the Insolvency Transfer Event.

Resolution 3 proposes extending sporting sanctions where an Insolvency Event is suffered by a Group Undertaking of a Member Club of the SPL (Group Undertaking is defined in Section 1161(5) of the Companies Act 2006).

Resolution 4 proposes updates and extensions to the definition of Insolvency Event in the SPL Rules.

Resolution 5 proposes updates and extensions to the definition of Insolvency Event in the SPL Articles and clarifies the process in the event that a Member which is the subject of an Insolvency Event is required to transfer its share in the Company.

Resolution 6 proposes a specific requirement in the SPL Rules that Clubs must pay their Players in terms of their Contracts of Service on due dates and places a duty on any Club to report any failure to pay its Players in a timely manner to the SPL. Failure to pay Players and / or to notify such failure to the SPL would be a breach of SPL Rules.

Resolution 7 proposes a requirement in the SPL Rules that Clubs report to the SPL any failure to make payments to HMRC in respect of PAYE and NIC (a Default Event). Any Club suffering such a Default Event will be subject to a Player Registration Embargo. Any failure to report a Default Event shall be a breach of the SPL Rules.

Resolutions 2B and 5 require the support of a minimum of 11 Clubs to be adopted; all other Resolutions require the support of a minimum of 8 Clubs to be adopted.

If adopted the amendments to the Articles and Rules will have effect from and including 14 May 2012 (the day after the last day of Season 2011/2012).

No further comment will be made in respect of these proposals until after the General Meeting on 30 April at which they will be considered by the Clubs.

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Oh you are an angry wee bear.

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Why you say f lawwell? just because we have a buissness plan that kept our club alive? you should say f all your legends that have put you into liq! WAKE UP! already stop shouting hate at everyone else, i find it really SAD and PATHETIC that you fans cant be mad at your own club for putting yous into your mess, it was all done by yourselves. the spl/sfa are trying to do whatever they can to keep yous so why f them? they are working for you. people/clubs just want FAIR PLAY and punishment for cheating what is wrong with that? for that is what we are all tought, if you do somthing bad you get punished... how is it that yous think your above all else? your just a vaile club that needs fans like you to go into the dark for there are no place for your kind of minded people that think your club did nothing wrong and so everything else should suffer for it...well guess what the spl has been suffering for years by putting up with your corrupt club...you are the people who bring shame to football and Scotland as well the world, for that is what your fans are known for..or do you need another closed door match to prove it once again. but to bad you wont have one because yous wont be in europe for years! F sdm, F spl/sfa for working with yous, you may hear it from use because we have been cheated but all you hear from us is not hate it is just fair play and the right punishment for the offence. DONT DO WALKING AWAY but you dont want to go to away games...it should be WE DONT GET UP TO EVEN START WALKING AWAY until it is the 70 min then everyone starts walking, for that what i see at your homw games...how sad your club is!

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Its great to see the true colours coming out thick and fast, not only is it your team that has put yourself's in this state with dodgy dealings and not paying the taxman etc, you now think its the rest of the spl that needs to be given a lesson by not attending away games. dignified I think not, its time you did walking away. Pay the facepainter

Vambo ILWT

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Only read half your post & stopped.

Boycot games etc ? Hurt teams because they want to hurt you ? Well maybe pay your way in this world then !

The quicker rangers go out of business the better as all D&P are doing is bleeding the life out of rangers by making more pish excuses so they can get another £500 per hour for another few weeks out of them that the fans will proberbly foot the bill to,there just bleeding on what whytes life to them,in a few weeks breaking news D&P can't run rangers anymore do liquidation is the only route left leaving Murray park & ibrox to Whyte who then holds the keys & waits for a 30m offer from someone or just sells the land & no more rangers.

Thr spl need rangers & rangers need the spl but Murray Whyte & D&P are about to kill Scottish football

Lenny

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Why do rangers fans think their club keeps motherwell or any other club afloat just because they play them away from ibrox twice a season?

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@5. Because Motherwell and the rest of the SPL clubs raise their ticket prices when the Old Firm come to town, as well as having the biggest away supports.

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No6,according to the can rattlers,rangers and rangers only keep the rest of scottish football afloat.

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11 Apr 2012 16:07:39
Another delay from Duff and Phelps
what the HELL IS GOING ON??

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Said it from day one, Craig whyte is telling them what to do.

The gers grim reaper

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Their excuse is the proposed SPL rule changes announced today. The excuse is nonsense. I can't believe the SPL proposals make any material difference to the bids.

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11 Apr 2012 15:19:38
Your club are an absolute disgrace.

The number of creditors you've ripped off, along with the amount of money you've spent without being able to afford it is utterly shameful. Not only have you ripped off other clubs within the game, but services such as the health service and police service are in amongst your list - valuable tax money that might help the disgraceful economic crisis this country is in.

And when it comes down to it, all this so you could claim to be the best team in Scotland, "ra peepul". Sorry Rangers, but some things are simply more important than footballing achievements.

I hope HMRC sinks you for this. Anything less than £1 in the pound would be an utter travesty considering what your club has done to this country.

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Blah Blah another bloody know all

GERman

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Yeah cause its all rangers fault, get a life half wit

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Is today self righteous day for dhims?
Do you honestly believe in your own little world that Rangers are responsible for everything that is wrong in society? Rangers is the name of the famous club, the people responsible are the suits behind the scenes, CW, DM they should be held fully responsible for the mess they have left.
You hope HMRC finish us, remember if that happens goodbye Celtic,SPL or in your little world do they flourish, the SPL becomes bigger than the EPL and like Mr LIEWELL wishes you have years of footballing domination? Dream on!!! PB

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Why is it, that when someone comes onto this site to have a go at the Gers you all immediately think he/she is a Celtic fan. I can tell you there are fans all over the country that think your team is rotten to the core.
Never mind though, it looks like they will change the rules to keep you in!
Another farce!

Red Devil

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@pb;bet you wish Mr Lawell was running you years ago.nothing will collapse,nothing will end if you dont return as a newco.look at your record before minty moonbeams took over,not so clever eh?

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Liverpool fan here. How can any Rangers fan hold their head up with the way you have cheated and avoided playing by the rules? Your club is an absolute disgrace, at least now it is on a par with it's fans.

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Red Devil,

Who else would it be? It's only the Celtic fans who are taking the morale high ground over Rangers' situation.

TTG

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Can you not think of why the people of Manchester mite have a wee problem with your club? Mmmmm, L1888

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L1888 you think english love your rebel club, get a grip, yous cause trouble at every away game yous play in england with your hatred but yet again yous always have eyes closed, yous hate britain, england the queen our troops our laws but want to join epl,

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Jeez mate ye couldn't b more wrong there, ma best mate in the RAF so I don't hate our troops I admire them and think they're underpaid, no matter their mistakes of the past, English grandmother also, so no hate towards England as a country (Although I do like to c the team lose!) having been to Liverpool and old Trafford for games in the past I've never seen any trouble let alone viewed the consequences on crimewatch, don't have any probs with the law of land either, watever yer point was there nameless poster, wasn't our fans who tried to kick a policeman to death tho so maybe it's your fans who have a prob with law, L1888

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11 Apr 2012 15:04:09
I am not visiting this site again until there is some DEFINITE news announced,I am sick and tired of all the childish muckslinging coming from BOTH sides,not to mention all the lies that are being spouted by people who have no clue as to what they are talking about,bye fellow decent fans I shall see you all at the other side of this mess one way or another.

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Rusty the tim here!!thought you rangers fans don't do walking away!!!just like your club,trying to hide until the good times come back!!!glory hunter hail hail rusty the tim

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Where does it say he's a rangers fan Rusty? You guys are always pulling us up for assuming things. different rules for you Rusty?

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This is a rumour /banter site, if you dont like , dont visit...jsm

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11 Apr 2012 14:57:30
Right talking to a few mates about this & the rangers saga & the only thing left that rangers can make money from will be selling the naming rights of ibrox to someone else.newcastle, arsenal, & I'm sure a few others have done it in the past so if a new buyer does come in I'm sure that will be there money maker.

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And how much do you think that would raise? no europe tv,limited tv in scotland.whats the point in it?

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Orange mobile and walkers crisps want to split the naming rights to ibrox ..... can you all guess what the stadium will be called...jsm

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Dont u worry there will be a new name above the main doors TESCO

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The cheese n onion fone arena?

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11 Apr 2012 14:49:19
What is happening with the RFFF?

Would it not be better to ask D&P for a list of creditors who are owed less than £1000 and then arrange to pay them all off?

They should also ask fans to sign up to a £5 per month direct debit which would be paid into the fund on the 1st of each month. 20,000 fans would raise £100,000 per month, if it had started when we went into administration then we would have an extra £200,000 in the fund.

The Pilot!

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@The Pilot;Another good idea from a true fan.D&P should have listened to the real fans and cherry picked the best ideas........green jhedi

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Get that wee newsagent in Copland Road
paid.

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Away u go jhedi..just y.day u were backin the pleas for gers to be no more..and for the 'Old firm' tag to be dropped as u no longer want celtic to be associated with gers in any way....beat it!

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@3. Spot on hypocritical posts month ago by him picked up by myself and by another bear.
So green jhedi, seems you have been found out by "my type" ring any bells! PB

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11 Apr 2012 14:15:04
GCUK, you posted on Celtic site about
threats to referee Collum, if true we
all condemn it, but why wait 3 weeks
to say anything and why did he not
report it to police. These people must
be rooted out all decent fans agree.
Let's now give you a moral dilemna
your RFFF is now at £300k your friendly
in belfast will raise another £100k
why not pay the Scottish ambulance
charity the money YOUR CLUB owes
them.
Timalloy

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If you had been paying attention Dhimalloy you would know the RFFF is planning on paying all debts under £1000.

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No name, Scottish ambulance are owed over £10k money they desperately need.
JUST PAY WHAT YOU OWE PEOPLE!
Timalloy

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Timalloy,

They don't "desperately need it". Again, why do you lot make it sound so much worse than it actually is?

Scottish Ambulance Charity will be receiving charitable donations on a regulat basis.

TTG

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Oh, and perhaps you aren't already aware Timalloy but the reason Rangers are in the situation they are in is because they can't pay what they owe people.

TTG

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All debts under 1000 wow that helps maybe the child that you stole the money out of his hand....if your club is only paying 1000 and under to people they owe does anyone get the money? for it looks like rankers owe thousands more to each creditor. for you dont rack up 134mill debt by taking only 1000 from everyone but im sure your club would have tried to do so.

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11 Apr 2012 13:38:57
I am starting to get a wee pi@@ed aff with our self rightous neighbours from the eastend who keep harping on about their great share offer and how they gave all for the club.

Lets get the facts right here

65% of all their shares are held by 5 pepole

From a share offer that raised 14m that means those 5 people put in over 9M on their own. Must have been sugar daddy des, crusty, lemmy, timmyloy and a.n.other
Divide the other 5M raised by say 50,000 and yes they put in the grand sum of 100 quid each

JG

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Even if True, which it is NOT.
Celtic fans still raised millions, compared to your RFFF £300k what does that equate to TWO PENCE per supporter
Timalloy

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It was well over subscribed

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I think you might want to do a bit of research JG. Look at when the share issue happened, there was alot more than 5 people bought shares. Through trading etc Dermot Desmond became the main shareholder. Remember David Murray asked Rangers fans to do the same and they didn't.............

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Get the facts straight.there was two issue's the second was for the big hitters to buy.my shares cost just over 1k

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Also don't forget our 5 people on the board are in the top 100 rich list in the uk, unlike Craig Whyte who's in the most wanted 100 people in the uk

Lenny - in partnership with CWFA

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To original poster don't let the truth get in the road off their wee fictional world that they live in.The only saving grace for Celtic when the went through their bad patch was the Bunnet no all there demonstrating.

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@1 slight difference between buying shares and handing over your cash to help pay off some of your clubs debtors

I have already helped the RFF and if i get the chance i will certainly buy more than 100 quids worth of shares
@4 if you bought 1k then that means the other 49999 shelled out 99 pound and 98 pence each yeha

JG

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@3 i did say that 5 people bought 65% of the shares not 100% of them and remember that dermot desmond personnally underwrote the share offer for 10M

JG

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In the celtic share issue the least you could buy,was 6 hundred pounds worth,i have framed mine ,still hanging on the wall.and will always be hanging on the wall.that 6 hundred would now be worth 16 hundred pounds,so get your facts right ,your money raising has been a joke,so far,these are facts so dont argue just read and learn,OLD BOHYO.

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11 Apr 2012 12:31:33
Linfield v Rangers 7th may canny wait another class day out :)

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Another day to dust off the old songbook eh?

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What you mean is a Bigot fest day out

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Like drinking whisky and vodka together......a vile combination.

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Just die, Rangers. That's what everyone wants

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Is it linfield vs rangers or linfield vs newco rangers?

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I don’t think we have anything to be embarrassed about at our club regarding our roots or anything like that. Nor do I think there should be any embarrassment about any club regarding its roots, it is what it is. There is a tradition there that we all respect and we all love

Not my words but those of Dermot Desmond

JG

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Poster no4 LOLOL

Lenny

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JG are you John Grieg? Oh wait a minute Rangers fans don't like him for speaking out about Craig Whyte......oh wait, he was right all along 'Good Guy'......oh wait, he took money out of EBTs and hasn't paid them back, it's his fault we will lose the BTC.....deary me how fickle and confused are the supporters of the tainted club.....the runners up....the shame....

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Celtics roots are irish,rangers pander to the loyalist vote.what is this "special relationship" you have with ni?hmm. let me guess

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Maybe Zombie-Rangers want to go and play in the same league. It would save us listening to their bile.

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To all the self righteous, look at your own support first. The truth is out there......PB

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@8 1, no i am not the famous JG, 2, we dont like john grieg? are you having a wee moment or something mate, thats like saying you lot dont like buckie tonic wine

JG not the famous one

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11 Apr 2012 12:26:54
BTC result due Easter, Duff and Phelps would announce the preferred bidder today, Andrew Ellis believes he is entitled to 24.9 per cent of the shares, Craig Whyte expects some return for his shares. Would you buy Rangers with this circus going on behind the scenes. These people are and will be responsible for the downfall of our great club. I started to see some hope weeks ago but now genuinely fear the worst is still to come.PB

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11 Apr 2012 11:51:59
With the reappearance of Whyte today i found an interesting fact for those who dont believe in conspiracies.Check D&P's administration records,this is the most cash they have ever taken from any administration. With a bill of 1.2m so far,Rangers also have the lowest amount of employees.Might that explain why big earners were not let go at the start of admin? Please dont say "sell on value" as these guys need payed up to date soon and have negotiated a nice out deal as well.If D&P had went the way of every administration,cut the big earners etc,liquidation might have been avoided.D&P and Craig whyte;screwing Rangers since feb.

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11 Apr 2012 10:55:16
It is now time to be honest with ourselves, not one of the buyers has the finances or plan to keep us where we are at present. It is disgusting that we have got to this stage and we should be ashamed that we owe cash to decent, honest hard working people. If we are confident enough in the power of our fellow fans, we should sell everything, pay off our debts and start again at whatever level we can, but not the SPL. Personally, I don't think there is enough support to keep us going without a rich benefactor, as has been proven in the past with a lack of buying of the share issues. I have been going to Ibrox since the 60s and would still follow Rangers but it is getting very embarrassing now with some of the statements in the papers and on these pages. We are not in a position to criticise anyone and will not be in a position to do so for quite a few years. We must have known no one likes us as we have sung about it for years so who cares if they don't like us but let us behave with dignity FFS.

Jackie

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Very hard to dignify what has been so so undignafied,do you think that for one minute that Murray is going to explain his wrong doing. think that lloyds will explain there sculldugery in all of this.at least Whytes low life ways are played out in public veiw but its the little people thats to be dignified to the fans, you say be dignified
custodians of our club bring it to its very knees wollowing about in greed and dishonesty.....dignified you say
well lets start with black beard himself
Murray when he does the dignified thing i,ll maybe do the same
Lloyds when they are honest with us with there part in this debacle i,ll think about dignity
bain,s greed
Whytes souless stripping of our club,i,ll think about it
the worst parts in ALL this is the stinking F@CKIN lies from our custodians
and the have CHOSEN to leave us powerless ran up so much dept and been so corupt we are left hopeless unable to help ourselves and thats the bad thing unable to help ourselves

me i hope there,s a new tradition comes out of all this sh@te
i hope that they never ever ware blazers at ibrox ever again,it a badge of corupt and dishonst men...here,s a campain no blazers ever should be worn inside ibrox ever again
there,s a que for the dignity thing the fans are down the list jackie...rant over.........les

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11 Apr 2012 10:14:10
What happened to the police investigation regarding Whytes takeover? ....jsm

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Your not allowed to ask that sort of questions, get a grip.....................

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11 Apr 2012 09:43:27
There will be no takeover if I dont get a payoff CW in the DR. This man has no shame whatsoever. There must be some legal way of sorting this man out and wresting the club from him. To be fair he should be given back what he put in with appropriate interest. One pound plus whatever the interest comes to. I will willingly pay that. In fact, I will give him two pounds - double his investment. Cant say fairer than that. (I am a Celtic supporter but disgusted with how the decent supporters of RFC have been treated).

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Lester piggott the great jockey a few years ago. was jailed for tax evation why are these crooks getting away with it who have run our club into this mess.

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11 Apr 2012 09:43:03
Good Day Fellow Bears....

Well yet another day passes and we are still in this bl***y mire!, just when things are starting to look like there might be a glimmer of hope, light at the end of the tunnel, this toerag, the good Dr Mr Sh*te rears his money grabbing bone picking vulture of a head.

I just don’t understand this nonsense, everything is shrouded in secrecy, (silence,) so many potential suitors for the crown of N˚1 as* h**e who got us into this mess, now the number one asset stripper who spent nothing other than our clubs money is being allowed to come back into the picture at this late stage with I WANT MONEY FOR YOUR SHARES OR ELS! W.T.F is going on.. I see individuals calling for more transparency, again W.T.F when during this whole fiasco has there been any semblance of transparency, the whole thing is shrouded in secrecy, if I didn’t know any better I would say the Vatican had hand in matters.

On a lighter note. It’s great to see so many insolvency experts on this site, with so many experts and learned people in this complex field of expertise, I can’t help but wonder how it is that we could possibly be in this mess, what with such a broad wealth of financial knowledge at our disposal.

My only hope is that we can get out of this mess, and start to be a club again free of all this nonsense. Let’s just hope that the new regime have the club at heart!!!!

Rosehearty True Blue

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11 Apr 2012 09:23:30
why do we need to invest heavily in our team, we need cva done keep the backbone ofthe team invest in two or three players next season get the league back where it belongs and off we go again

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Pmsl. You can't even afford to pay the players you have. Up to your kneck in debt. Liquidation looming. But hey keep your players buy a few more and win the league.......
Dream on.

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11 Apr 2012 02:33:50
It's interesting that Bill Ng became a Rangers supporter after watching Rangers winning yhe European Cup-Winners Cup in 1972 when he was 12 years old. Also interesting that Singapore diddn't have television until 1980.

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I became a Celtic supporter after watching Patsy Gallagher's first game.

GoldCoastBhoy

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Elementary my dear watson, who gives a sh*t, got more to worry about than your petty detective work sherlock, away and get a life.........LARKYELLIS

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1980, that's 20 years before any Celtic fan had TV. Ha.

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Did you honestly go look that up noname? I thought playing World of warcraft caused people to have no lives, but I think you just managed to beat it.

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Poop I called him noname then forgot to put my name. :S
Don

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Who says he lived in Singapore when he was 12 years old?

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He means watching footage of the game that was in 1972 doesnt mean he watched it in 1972

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#7...read what he said. It's f###ing embarassing reading this stuff now. He just sounds like David Murray. We are struggling to have a club and he is spouting p1sh about winning another European trophy.

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11 Apr 2012 00:44:46
Does anybody feel that we have to the right thing, I pay my paye and ni. Why shouldn't we?

We (sir D M), got us into this mess, whyte then picked off the meat from the bones, like the vulture he is.

I feel that instead of going down the current road where everybody gets screwed, by pence in the pound, or by nought.

Whatever the outcome, CVA or liquidation, people get screwed. It seems the only people acting with any dignity are the fans. We paid Dunfermline, because it was the right thing to do. I know for a fact that the face painter has been paid by fans, because it is the right thing to do.

I say that this doing the right thing is better than being known as a sheister, and that is what we are, by that I mean Shonky & shonkier Ltd, namely Murray & whyte.

Much as it would be many years of torture with them winning everything, at least we could hold our heads high. I feel that if I can't afford to live in my house, I sell it and buy a cheaper house. We can't afford Murray Park, which has to be renamed immediately, so let's sell it. Before you say Murray Park has produced this one and that one, let me make this clear, a piece of grass has never and will never produced a footballer. Talent and coaching, yes, a piece of grass or a jacuzzi, no.

Also some ppl will say it is not ours, it is D M's - it is not!
We won 9 in a row training at Jordanhill, we won the ECWC training in the car park. Let's sell it now, let's sell every player and put the kids in. I would still go to see a bunch of kids giving their all. We might find a gem that may raise big money. So we sell the first team, sell MP, issue a share option and although we do not have a great history of putting our money up, I am sure they would now we know the mess we are in. Sir dm launched a share issue by saying that if we didn't buy then he would, hardly a great sales pitch.

Let's do the right thing and this comes from somebody that remembers 10,00 people at a game per-souness, and I don't want to go back to that, but would rather that than being known as tax dodgers. A wee bit of pride would not go amiss here.

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Spoken like a true fan.respect..........green jhedi

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If more of the rangers fans were like you,they would get more respect from everyone hang on in there.....b

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At last a gers fan who has dignity and respect for creditors and other clubs fans. Thats the only way to get rangers back to their best.....not the moral disgrace of a 10p in the £ CVA!

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One of the best honest posts on this site in a long time.

Very well said mate. Tbh if rangers get hit hard & the sky deal goes up in the air then maybe (although it would take a few years) the youth system in Scotland could get a chance !

Lenny

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I agree with u 100% mate but it aint gonna happen, heres hoping our club can just start paying as much back as possible and get a owner on board who isnt dodgy as f3ck,
craig+babybear

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I agree with the sentiments expressed by the OP , Rangers paying all their debts- but it is too late for that now . They are simply too much in debt - Liquidation is a Certainty .

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Well said lad. I'd give rangers fans more respect if they spoke like you. Bigirishmac

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I'm with you brov, Rangers are my team. 3rd division, skint and not a sniff of a trophy for years and they will still be my team. Lets pay what we owe. duccablue

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11 Apr 2012 00:31:35
I had a season ticket since I was 4 when my dad used to take me to the games and technically had to give ot up due to financial difficulty 2 years ago but all I have done is still keep it but there's one of my best mates pays for it and let's me have any tickets I want for half price and sells the ticket when I can't go and 95% of time gets it sold but this guy can afford it he has 2 season books at mo on same conditions and also his own ticket and is willing to let me take over the ticket again when I get back on my feet again I also accompany my mate to matches often that what u call a good friend as he doesn't want me to lose my ticket as I am now 33 years old and have had my ticket for 29 years I am so grateful for my good friend and I always try to pay him back via pints, and fry ups before the match just goes to show that there are good people out there land I would regard him as being defiantly one of the people and I never forget to invite him to any family engagements ect as he has done me such a big favour without him I wouldn't have been able to see my team live at the uefa cup.final in 2008 and this way I always get to games when I can afford it and always have one of my best friends right beside me to celebrate or comiserate with I am just so thankful that he made this kindest of gestures and I'm so.story for rambling on but please hit agree and he has been a true friend.
PS.. he has also given to the fighting fund

RANGERS FOREVER.

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Nice. good luck mate,i hope you get on your feet soon.........green jhedi

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We all need friends like that, he is one of the good ones....b

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Celtic fan here. You do indeed have a great friend. You are the kind of supporter that I respect. Hope things get
better for you soon. JLM

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11 Apr 2012 00:19:13
Does anybody know the timetable for season ticket renewals. Is it not May normally. I think they have to have resolved one way or another by end of season, because how can they sell tickets without knowing what the situation is.

What about a scheme where if you buy two years up front, and get a free year in the next ten years. They could stagger how many freebies get every season. I don't know how many people could afford paying two years.

However I for one am not renewing until whyte is removed, if he is here I won't be.i have had two season tickets for forty years and this is breaking my heart.

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