Rangers Banter Archive April 11 2013

11 Apr 2013 20:16:47
dear all celtic fans

GLASGOW RANGERS 1872

are the same club and always will be we were given the footballing debts of the old company and the football club was given entry into the sfl3, the only thing that doesn't exist is the company that ran rangers, if so celtic changed companys after they won the european cup, so either we are a new club and your old company won the european cup and not the celtic we see today, or both are the same FOOTBALL club as started in 1872 and 1888? can't have it both ways,


HAMILTON LAD

SFA comfirmed to ECA that we are the same club tom english even seen the emails he said so on radio scotland
trueblue

Dear all Rangers fans

Keeping your club in this form, that form or any form might require you getting off your ass and actively doing something about Green/McCoist/Both instead of sitting on your computers thinking "ha this will show them!"

Keep spending your energies on this trivial nonsense and you might not have it "any ways".

Show me visual proof it's the 'same' club?

Green can't show a agreement between the SFA/ufea/D&P/Craig whyte/bdo etc to prove its the same club or the history stands

Bill miller was your man but he was chased out of town he was the right man for the job

Think of it like this: tesco could change there name tomorrow to tesco plc or tesco whatever.

Rangers (old) vs rangers (new)

Charles tried to save old club with a CVA which is a debt management scheme, creditors didn't want this hence the admin etc

If & this is where the silly bears are getting mixed up, if CG formed the rangers FC before the administration started so effectively creating 2 rangers not a Rangers 5088 then put the old rangers into admin then you have a case to answer for.

CG has changed the rangers to the rangers international FC, he can do that as many times as he like as this business/company/club IS STILL A RUNNING BUSINESS not a business that's gone into admin because its running up debt

The rangers international FC are a new club no history no nothing other than winning a division 3 title, until solid proof that can be seen for the world to see by the right people in power then old co & there history died long ago

It's really not rocket

Lenny

The fact your on trying to defend that it's still the same club insinuates that you have doubts yourself. Frankly the whole liquidation thing is rather embarrassing

You keep believing that Hamilton Lad. Pity Mr Green and Mr Traynor don't agree with you. Look at the registered details of both clubs at companies house for any proof you need. The word you seem to be struggling with is LIQUIDATION, ask Gretna or Third Lanark about LIQUIDATION, then ask Leeds what happens when a CVA (you will find out even more about CVAs very, very shortly) is actually agreed and the club is saved from LIQUIDATION. So what company do the players play for? Who owns Ibrox, the company or the club? Why did Rangers not enter this seasons Champions League? Why did Rangers have to apply to join the league this season. Do any you cretins actually know what the ECA are?

A couple of quotes from the media: "But the company that formerly ran the club have been. " "also stated that Rangers' current owners should". Timmy can't see the difference between the club and the company that runs it.
GC

11 Apr 2013 23:06:58
@6 thought it was the mhedia that was trying to kill the rangers off. now your quoting them to suit yourself. can't have it both ways

Tell that to the creditors that were stuffed mate! They're the real victims.
Ask them if they think you are the same club, or not what they think about it all? and then get yourself a sense of perspective. You inherited the ethos and spirit of Rangers 1872, and I wish you well with both, but the hard truth is its history died in ignomy in 2012. That's the price you paid to escape from the £100m of other people money that your club spent. To pretend otherwise is to insult those who were the real victims of this shameful episode, and betrays a delusion and an ingrained arrogance that you have no right to profess, and that will not win you friends and influence among other supporters and clubs. And you might have reason to treasure these in the coming weeks, who knows!

A hard truth is still easier than an easy lie, guys!
So man up, and move on.
The ethos and spirit is what matters, after all.

@8 Correct me if I'm wrong but but didn't Rangers win the big tax case? Does Craig Whyte not owe the £17m to ticketus? I'm afraid your figure of £100m is way of the mark.

@9 you're wrong

Rangers never won the big tax case and were found GUILTY in @30 out of 110 cases the remaining cases are currently being appealed

@9 Craig white is guarentor of a loan for £18million to pay of the debt to LLoyds bank. When rangers went tits up they went after him for the money

The thing I don't get, is if we are not the same club, why do u lot (CELTIC) fans come on here and talk about a team that doesn't concern u? u are all obsessed with rangers. like it or not the company died not the football club. and as stated by fifa and uefa glasgow rangers are the same club, as for gretna and 3rd lanark well that doesn't even warrant a reply, when they could afford a newco and is completly different, glasgow rangers 54 and counting.


HAMILTON LAD

Ahhh, "obsessed", another of the great pointless mantras, well done Hamilton Lad, your about a "In Craig We Trust" away from having the whole set mentioned in one thread. In the meantime your club is ripping itself apart on far more serious matters or hadn't you noticed because you were so busy with trivial garbage?

But it does concern us hamilton lad. apart from it being the best comedy show in town, rangers went bust owing celtic and me, a taxpayer, money. it looks as though its all a big scam to do just that.

11 Apr 2013 18:15:18
I don't understand the mentality of many "viewers" of this site. To just click "disagree" with no thought or debate. How would they sound on "Question Time", - "errghhh I just disagree, disagree, because can not be bothered to think, click the button, debate done"

Low life disagree with anything to stir up controversy and trouble. Just look a couple of posts down and the disagrees about Kris Commons missus and their still born baby, absolute pond life who disagree with that. PB

Just disagreed but what was the point? how shall we take this debate on?

Ban the " agree/ disagree " buttons as they are completely pointless and do not contribute anything to the points raised. I wonder how many " disagrees " I will get?
Liah Smit

Celtic fan here. we have pretty much disagreed with so many posts on here with our points below but use just wint hear it so wot the point of even moving our fingers to write it. don't even know why I bother to post this. plains boy.

Celtic man here, got to agree with the op, if you ain't got nothing to say, don't join in by disagreeing, PB the one's who disagree with the post you talk about are probably knuckle dragging bigot's who don't know any better, BTW that goe's for both side's of the divide
Tam

11 Apr 2013 18:13:08
Just watched the news and saw that kris commons Missus is to become an ambassador for simba charity for still born babies following the tragic news of their child Lola.

Knowing someone who is affected by a still born baby all I can say is good on Laura and kris.

God bless little Lola.

Jimmy true blue

She does a ton of charity work mate. A real good person, if only the other wags had an ounce of her drive.

See the fc*wits who disagree at times like this, they need named& shamed, & I hope karma bites em bigtime on the a$$. SM

The people who pressed disagree are absolute persons take Celtic and rangers out the picture this was a baby's life who never did anything to anyone you need to take a good look in the mirror ya bunch of a!holes

Well said number 3, they really are scum

11 Apr 2013 16:19:48
Why on earth would CW give a "personal" guarantee on a company he intended to put to the sword for profit. Why? He has made money since his late tewnties by buying and dissolving companies. He won't give personal gurantees, what charge must he have over the fixed assets of Rangers?

11 Apr 2013 15:20:51
Got a question for all fellow bears. Obviously we are getting wound up about being a different club bla bla bla, but none of that has ever been confirmed one way or another. So, if UEFA or FIFA (or both), ever came out and categorically said that Rangers as we know it did in fact die, what would your thoughts be? Would you continue to go and watch the new club and treat it as Rangers, even though technically it is not the club you have supported all that time?

Obviously all hypothetical, but I'm interested to know people's opinions on this.

s20c

What is it s20c, were the answer's you got on the Celtic site not to your liking.
Tam

I am just asking a question, which was addressed to fellow Rangers supporters. Have you got something to tell us?

s20c

Op all bears would still support rangers after all its in our blue blood

@2 You were on the Celtic sight asking them why they thought it was a new Ranger's, then your asking your fellow bear's if they would still support Rangers if FIFA or UEFA decided it was a new Rangers, of course they would because to them it would still be Rangers, as it is now. Have I got something to tell you, yes, your a t___ for even asking your fellow bear's the question.
Tam

11 Apr 2013 14:51:16
CW warned off acting as a "shadow director" while disqualified. "Shadow Director", ring any bells?

11 Apr 2013 14:03:59
I'm a rangers fan of 30 years. I've sat in the same seat for those 30 years. I don't tend to contribute to forums, and don't attend supporters groups, but I am passionate about the following and hope it can be the basis of something huge.
We have been treated appallingly by Green. He has lied continually, and his links with Whyte are now apparent. In fact the only thing he's been truthful about is his intention to create personal wealth from the club. Why are we sitting back and taking this? Because we're supporters? Because we're lazy? Because we've no alternative? Here's my alternative.
Let's stay away from Ibrox for the remaining games of the season, and take a unified stance against the regime. He must rid the club of this man and the only way to do so is to flush him out. A refusal to attend, and a stance on refusing to buy season tickets whilst he's in charge.
Let's force change. Please fellow bears, let this post go viral. Let's for once truly unite and force our own future as a club. I urge you to post this wherever possible. No negativity please. Let us for once stand united.

These are exactly the type of things you need to do, well said OP, you have more power than you appreciate.

Gaz

Better to go to games and peacefully protest

As much as I don't want to abandon watching Rangers I must agree with you something drastic needs to happen soon

Good post, we were "big" enough to boycott a Scottish cup game "stupidly" when our team needed the support, but sit on our bloody hands doing nothing against the so called directors who have brought us all this grief. We should be showing Green and co how powerful we really are,,,, boycott everything now. If we don't he'll be fleecing us of our season ticket money then running like the other 2 con men Whyte and Murray. In fact why has that bloody man not been stripped of his title? let's contact our MPs etc this is a farcical joke he started the madness, let us for a change finish it.

11 Apr 2013 17:30:54
I'm a Celtic fan that comes from a mixed family my uncle who is blue to the core has just turned his attitude towards the elite at rangers, where he has said in the past and gave us Celtic fans stick for it that we question everything, it is now rangers fans need to stick together and show they are rangers, and put a stop to this saga or the time is running out quicker than what yours think

OP I don't think NOT going to game's now make's much difference ST for this season already been paid, as fror not payig season ticket's for next season think you have to be very careful you don't starve your club, although the revelation's over the past week might help the support.
Tam

11 Apr 2013 11:47:30
Im Fearing the worst. I personally don't think I can go through this saga again. I am Rangers through and through and have a serious illnesses and still follow my team week in week out. Green get the finger out or please leave. Prove who owns the deeds. If you've been lying your a brave man as they'll be millions of unhappy people. Time for some off these "Rangers men" (Walter, Ally and Murray) to ask serious questions.
John

I fear myself that the time for Ally & Walter to have asked serious questions has already gone.

Hope I'm wrong but I think most Bears have sleepwalked into the same kind of trouble as last year.

Funny how Ally and Walter and big Derek J suddenly start to ask questions when their pals jobs are at risk? this old boy network nonsense is part of the reason we in such a mess.
Lets clear the lot out now, Portsmouth fans looking to take over their club, surely we have the know how and people to be as good if not better. COME ON our team needs us NOW

11 Apr 2013 08:20:09
hi ed, surely must be now time for a public enquirey into this whole rangers business, I can't believe no individual or body didn't know what was happening at the early stages, lawyers, accountants or banks. this has now gone on far to long, which has in turn brought down not only a football club, but a business and one of scotlands biggest instituations, as I said its time now for a public enquiry!

11 Apr 2013 00:37:54
really want green out, hope murray sacks him he's getting the club no where and only spouting rubbish every day and its getting really boring now, lies after lies after lies, hope us the fans will take action to his fantasy life, hope walter becomes chief ex, the man that supported rangers as a boy, fans start shouting green out next home game.

Walter that we've hardly heard a peep from until yesterday?

Walter who was happy to come on board and take Green's shilling so Green could make more on the share issue knowing the vast majority of the support trust him 100%?

Walter who continually asked for more money while manager so he could sign the likes of Kyle Lafferty when Rangers needed to be as frugal as possible in the years leading up to administration?

Walter who is still to deny he was on an EBT?

And Walter whose Knights failed to step up to the plate when it really mattered letting Green take control of the club?

Sorry, brilliant manager but no thanks. What Rangers need is a whole clean sweep with men who have not been tarnished by the chaos of the past few years.

Be very careful Green will not tolerate dissent from any quarter. The guy is a dictator, unhinged and is quite capable of anything. Could quite easily lock the gates and deprive the football club access.
This happened to Hull City a few years ago. Until the ownership of Ibrox is determined we should tread with care.
Green will have plans should season ticket sales fall short of expectations. He may be mad but he's not daft.

Green only has 8% of shares he can do NOTHING by himself in fact he better watch what the rest of the share holders want to do with him. Les

@ 3. ) Green has more shares than that who is he trying to fool, he would be booted out now if he did not have some sort of controlling interest

Was the new co not set up so that one person has no control?. a group may but one holding no. Les

1. ) yes I agree with you there but walter had no idea that we were in debt

Green has got enough of his men on the board, Smith etc are window dressing.