Rangers Banter Archive December 11 2013

 

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11 Dec 2013 23:09:16
I posted on this page when we signed big jon daly that he'd be a terrific signing for us and without a shred of doubt he has been, ie. daly is a terrific header of a football, can hold the ball up tremendously well to allow others to get up and join the play, can score goals with either foot & of course his head, he's a terrific big powerful target man of the old fashioned centre forward mould, he has a great attitude & a perfect role model for our younger players at rangers & before anyone says about the inferior opposition at the moment I know that but big daly was also very good when with dundee utd in the then spl, in my opinion jon daly has been the best signing mccoist has made for this season, bar none, how highly do all other fellow 'gers fans rate big jon daly?BIG BOYDY 9!

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Yeh boydy he has turned out a great player after a difficult start.

Me personally I rate Billy Moshni and Law as the 2 best players signed but tbh honest it is difficult to question any of the signings esp the spine of the team that Souness did with Woods, Butcher, himself and big Hately

Ok Bell, Moshni, Law and Daly are hardly same world class players but in our current position it is a very good quality basis to build round. MacLeod for me with Wallace are also two stars of the team. Even Clark if he gets the confidence needed for a striker could turn out to be this era's Ally McCoist.

I am at odds with the money we are spending in third tier but you cannot question they are virtually to a man great signings.

See I can praise Ally in some areas

george

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For me Wallace has stood out a mile this season, 100% in every game! hope we don't sell him in January
Posted before that moshni looked like a good piece of business on a free transfer, young clark starting to prove himself, daly done well, law started greAt but feel he has gone of form a bit lately, I think we have the basis for our team next season but would expect two or three free transfers to join in the summer and would like to see aird McKay, McLeod and some other youngsters improving their game


JG

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11 Dec 2013 22:26:26
Here we go ed


Serious question for the sons of struth, if we have someone from that fans group on here

you are demonstrating and lobbying the shareholders for boardroom changes

Who exactly do you want removed from the current board and why?

Who do you want voted onto the board and why?

JG

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If there is no one from SOS on here let me extend my questions to anyone who took part in their red card demonstration
Who exactly do you want removed from the board and why?
Who do you want elected to the board and why?

JG

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OP a majority of fans (eg Mock Poll on other Gers website of over 1250 fans) want change on the board to enable someone of Frank Blin's ability to forensically examine income /expenditure, asset, deeds et all because we want to know whether it is piss poor governance or criminality that has left us in such a weak financial position after the £22/£23million was frittered away. We are worried that Stockbridge "didn't know how much of the IPO money was left" when initially asked. We are worried when Stckbridge says there will only be £1million left by April. (Note that was before Mather's pay off and the new directors appointment which we assume will further erode the residual pennies to perhaps leave us barassic lint before the end of the April never mind the end of May. We are worried that the Easdales never tell the fans what their plans for the Club are and refuse to engage with fans groups and are concerned their publicists who are generally held in very low regard speak on behalf of the Club. We are suspicious of the Easdales because of their close alignment to Charles Green who bought his mansion in France after perhaps his final bonus from Ibrox. We are concerned that the financial director films a colleague on a night out for the sole purpose of discrediting him and then removing him. We are also concerned that the costs of the IPO were circa £5million pounds when most financial experts expected it to be under £1million or 5% not the near 25% it ended costing.
Apart from these few mild concerns everything appears to be absolutely feckin peachy. So you are correct what's the problem? Let's all vote the current board back in. Let us show that turkeys can vote for Christmas.

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Nbear - how am I correct?, I never said anything either way,
all I did was ask a couple of questions to try and get a serious debate going on the issue of the forhcoming election of board members and the merits of each candidate
There are 5 individuals up for re-election and 4 individuals up for election to the board (it is not one group against another) it is individual votes
If you think I don't have any concerns right now then your miles out, everyone knows the issues we face, and you named a few of them above, that's why its vital we get the right guys on the board at this agm
looking at them I think
Wallace Somers and Crighton have exellent CV and backgrounds in their previous business dealings
Easdale has built a very successful business (without the help of CG) he is a lifetime supporter and also parted with his cash to buy shares
Stockbridge, has direct links with the old board and his record as director of finance should be enough to have him removed
Malc murray also had links to the old board and was there when money was flying out the club ironically if he had remained on the board you would now be calling for him to be removed
Paul Murray also a fan, was on board when it all went T'ts up however he did warn about whyte, may be doubts if he will meet the fit and proper test due to liquidation event
Alex wilson and scott murdoch I know absolutely nothing about either of them, (are they working for CG, everyone else is apparently)

For me I would accept a board of Wallace Somers Crighton Easedale Paul Murray (if fit) Wilson and Murdoch, that would blend good proven business men with guys who have declared their intention to put the interest of the club first

Just standing shouting sack the board sack the board ain't going to influence the shareholders, we need to put a reasonable case for each of the 9 individuals to be elected or not

JG

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JG That would also do for me as it would allow the search for clarity we have all been asking for to be initiated. I have already stated in some posts I would have to let someone else make the case for Malcolm Murray as I couldn't do so in all honesty. Paul Murray yes and like you I do not know anything about the other two just feel one board member from the requisitioners would be isolated- possibly. The one large question mark is over the Easdale chap. They may be first class fellows and their own men but if they never talk direct to the fans how will we know what they are about and the suspicions over their motives and actions will persist.

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11 Dec 2013 20:28:40
If our chief executive graham wallace is still our ceo after our agm next week and I've no doubt he will be then I have it on very good authority that he's going to have a special link up with his ex club manchester city young players in which rangers will be able to get them up on loan, a terrific idea in my opinion, we could definitely get a few very good players from city, BIG BOYDY9!

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{Ed039's Note - I have suggested before he uses these links, I would be happy with that)

Op why surely if we are in need of players the board should have the money to buy us new players

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@1 mate the op doesn't say anything about buying any players

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N2 exactly my point why should we need to borrow players new board should have money lined up to buy instead of borrow howmuch have they got feck all or we would have been told so have unknown people not earned enough from OUR club why don't they feck off ond let people that are interested in OUR club get involved

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Tmwmn are you trolling? Maybe you have forgotten the last young guy we had on loan from man city, never heard anyone complain about him

JG

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N4 ime wondering why a new board would need to borrow youngsters in the first place why are board not telling us there plans why are they not telling us who is investing in rangers why won't they say how much we can afford to spend on new players to get us through the next division I think we all know the answer they have no money why noy say something to get our trust

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11 Dec 2013 19:56:56
ED, HAVE ASKED ON MANY OCCASSIONS WITHOUT RESPONSE, CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT THE GANG FOUR HAVE DONE THAT MERITS A PLACE ON THE BOARD?

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{Ed039's Note - what have the current board done to deserve a reprieve?)

Ed 39 -3 of the current board have been there for 3 or 4 weeks and one for 6 months more or less, what have those individuals done that they need to be reprieved of?

JG

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{Ed039's Note - Back and praise Brian Stockbridge didnt seem a good start, the new guys need to prove themselves to the fans, that they are not and have not been associated with the Spivs. For the chairman also to say he had never heard of Craig Whyte and Chuckles Green also, does he think we button up the back?)

Yes they have not stole, lied or been down right ignorant to the the lifeblood ( the Fans), like the current regime, so if you are happy and would like the above to continue, don't vote for the gang of four, vote for the spivs.

hope that answers your Question.

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Ed039, you answered a legitaimate question with a question and the original question remains unanswered, there's loads of experts on here posting negativity perhaps one of them could answer, surely if you don't know the answer to a question you leave it to someone who does.

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{Ed039's Note - So do you not think that change is needed?? Unfortunately I am very sceptical of everybody but the last few weeks has not filled me with optimism for the current board? There has been more positive noise from "the requisitioners" than from within and there has been no engagement between the current board and fans so all faith is lost, when that happens in any business than it is time to start afresh)

Ed039, post did not say that change could not be plus, it simply asked what have the gang of four done to deserve a place on the board, (certainly zero financially) so once again nobody a given a sensible answer.

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{Ed039's Note - Have you not seen my responses??)

Op what have current board done who are they how much money have they got to invest who recommended them for there current positions they are puppets and although they have not said much puppets don't speak its the puppet masters that pulles the strings letting the kids think they are real only thing is its not kids they are trying to fool in this instance

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Ed39 you responded to 3 here as being sceptical and then quoted mr Wallace, s statement in a response to another post today (above) so what do you believe?

JG

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{Ed039's Note - I corrected the error in what the poster thought he read, truth is we dont know who is best, we just know that we are in trouble and someone needs to fix it and the current directors dont seem to be doing that, so if you are all for the current regime then please let me know why, I really dont know how much more I can say on the matter)

11 Dec 2013 17:35:48
ED039, I have been reading the posts over past 2 days especially from George, who seems to be better informed than most and mostly, talks sense.
However my point is that some fans seem to be pinning their hopes on the Easdales selling their bus company, George estimates an £80m offer pending. These fans seem to think this money or a large portion of it will be ploughed into Rangers,
like George, I am very sceptical of this as in the current climate, they would stand to lose any monies invested in the club, what are your views on the Easdales playing fairy godfathers? Timalloy

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{Ed039's Note - it is very obvious that it would be silly to sell their current business and plough that money into Rangers, the question I would ask is how do they get their return? Some sort of annual payoff? Security over Ibrox? There are lots of questions to be asked/answered on that one)

Have asked before with no answer can someone tell me where this info in 80 ml offer came from.

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Regarding the Easdales I am more concerned about them making sure they have no major assets in case there is any chance of them being sued when Rangers enter a 2nd Admin. I do not think there is any way that can happen BUT who knows what their plans are.

The £80million offer was a previous poster my guess is they would get an offer over £40m based on the size of the company and public transport is a very good business investment, just look at the Gloag family with Stagecoach.

The SoS appeal to investors may surprise a lot of people. Laxey commented on the disjointed nature and at that time relatively small size of protests. They are no fools which is why they are wealthy men, they will have noticed the united front being displayed by the supporters groups plus the matter of 43000 at least fans Red Carding the board. Laxey will realise that should they go against the fans opinion and side with this board the risk of future boycott of season ticket sales and attending Rangers games is a very real concern, it is the only real power the fans have left if the board remains unchanged and Laxey have to worry about that as a team without fans is a bunch of guys having a kickabout in the park infront of a boardroom and investors don't invest in kickabouts.

We have the real power and the sooner all the fans are aware of that the better. RTID george

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N1 the offer came from charles green lol

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