Rangers Banter Archive July 11 2012

11 Jul 2012 20:32:52
STV stating that SFA/SPL/SFL deal will encourage SFL clubs to back TRFC into SFL1. I'm caught in dilemma here. SFL1 provides quickest route back to SPL but it will always sound like a "bribe" to the rest of Scottish football and will be a stain on our club for ever and a day. If the majority of Rangers fans want SFL3, why have our newco not listened and applied for SFL3 which in turn would have avoided putting the SFL clubs in the invidious position of deciding our fate? There is no sense pointing the finger at so-called "greedy, short-term" other SPL clubs when we are standing by watching a decision being made which could allow us to by-pass the appropriate punishment for any club who has failed in the way that we have. If you have no shame, it might not bother you but I would hope that the vast majority of fans are cringing at the possibility of being given favourable treatment on Friday. If we are meant to be a leading player in Scottish football, then we are not acting like leaders just now.

We are not standing by, Green is very aware of the fans decision regarding which league we shoud apply for. If he truly has the newco club at heart and not just out to make money, he will listen to what the fans say - after all we buy the season tickets/fill the stadium. Green must understand we will not fooled again by smarmy business men who are only interested in profiteering.

I just don't get this desire to be in div three, I feel the fans are asking for administration again. How can we survive with huge running costs of Ibrox and Murray Park with a much reduced income?
If we were to get 40,000 fans every week it would be ok, but we won't, we will do well to get 15,000, at much reduced prices.
Let's make this clear, if the SFL vote us in to div one, then that is their decision. We cannot be held to book for their decisions.
I for one hope that we get into div one and hopefully it will be one year and back in SPL.
Why do so called Rangers fans want their club in ruins again, I will tell you why, they want to keep playing tit for tat and hurt those that voted against us in SPL. It is exactly this stupidity that has caused us to be in the situation where we are reliant on teams with average gates of less than 2000 deciding on our future. In div three, if we survive, we will be watching football that can barely be described as football, the standard is dross. Is that what you want.
It is time to beg for div one, because without it we are in real trouble.

The Chairmen of the SFL are listening to what the fans say. 14 already declared No. Only one more required out of 14. Rangers need 14 out of 14 to draw. Highly unlikely.
If we get into SFL it's div3 at best.
There shouldn't even be a vote on the issue.

@2 I'm sorry, I don't agree with your assessment there. It's not about tit for tat. It's about operating within the rules. I don't want special favours, I want to get back to the SPL on our own merit via Div 3. If it can't be done that way because costs are too mcuh then thats a shame but I don't see why we should get any special favours when any other club wouldn't have been given this sort of leniancy. To say we deserve it because our popularity would just be an appeal to popularity and thus a fallacy. It wouldn't be doing whats right within the rules.

@4 you talk about operating within the rules,that has been the problem all along, the rules are being made up with each passing day.there are no rules for liquidation in the spl, so the fans dictate to the chairmen to vote no,sfa make up punishment of transfer embargo, rangers go to court,now we have the up and coming sfl vote etc.if scottish football had any sporting integrity at all the rules for a club going into administration or liquidation would have been in place as rangers are not the first club this has happened to.had the governing bodies rules been clear rangers fate would have been dealt with on the14th of june,the day the cva was refused,without the involvement of forty other football club chairmen and their fans.

@5 I disagree, the rules are already there. What they are trying to do is bend the rules in order to let us play at a higher division. If you had read what is being said then you would know this. The Old Rangers have been liquidated and by the rules they have been thrown out of the Premier League.

The New Rangers are a new company and thus they have to apply as normal for the SFL and gain ENTRANCE into the SFL via 3rd division. What they are doing now is bypassing the rules in order to give us a better starting point. They first had a vote from the Premier League teams to try and get us into the SPL. Why? We were thrown out of it for going into liquidation as per the rules. Now they are voting to get into Div 1. The rules state clearly that applying for entry to the SFL is via 3rd Division.

@6 that is the point i am making ,if the governing bodies had used the rules that are in place instead of making it up as they go along ie transfer embargo the sfl vote would not be needed as this would all have been dealt with at the time of liquidation and the forming of the newco..that rule being start at the beginning, div3.unfortunately this senario doesn't suit the "suits" so we have club chairmen having to vote,don't be surprised if the final outcome of where the newco ends up is made by a committee if the vote says div3 as sportig integrity v hard cash= one winner

11 Jul 2012 18:54:12
The very guys who are suggesting the restructure of the game, said this not so long ago....talk about hypocrits, you just could not make it up.

Last year, SPL clubs considered and eventually rejected plans to reduce the amount of clubs in top league to 10, with chairman Ralph Topping and chief executive Neil Doncaster claiming a 16-team division was not financially viable.

Regan was also an advocate of a 10-team SPL.

Amazing eh ?

Yes, this is why Regan is a joke. The structure should not be dependent on any one team's fortunes on or off the field.

I mean, if Rangers were relegated for playing crap football (heaven forbid) they would have the same concerns, i.e. the TV money.

11 Jul 2012 18:07:59
SCOTTISH Football's three governing bodies have today announced plans to restructure senior football in the country.

Plans include an increase in the number of clubs in the top flight and a pyramid structure to be introduced from 2014/15.

A joint statement issued today on behalf of the Scottish FA, Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League, read:

The Scottish FA, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League have, for the past two years, been involved in a series of discussions at Board level with the objective of securing radical and co-ordinated reconstruction of the game in this country.

Today, we are asking clubs to consider a package of reforms which have the potential to rejuvenate Scottish football at senior level and safeguard its future at a time when uncertainty and fear prevail.

The proposals are based on five principles previously outlined by the Scottish FA as key to streamlining governance, ensuring greater financial distribution and above all, providing better entertainment, enhanced competition and value for money for supporters.

Upon agreement by the respective Boards, the proposals will placed before the SPL and SFL clubs for approval, to be activated immediately and phased in over a two-year period.

A working party will be formed, including three representatives from both the SPL and SFL, to devise a new structure for the senior professional game in Scotland. This group will have an independent Chairman appointed by the Scottish FA. They will be tasked with delivering by 30th November, 2012, a recommendation for structural change effective 2013/14. This will incorporate primarily:-

a) The introduction of an enlarged top tier for Scottish Senior Professional Football.

b) A new detailed model for senior professional football in Scotland including number of divisions; number of clubs per division; number of matches per season per division; number of promotion and relegation places per division and the introduction and operation of play-offs.

c) An all-through distribution model providing certainty for all clubs as to the percentage of distributable income which will be received. As a minimum, clubs in the current third and fourth divisions will receive the settlement agreement proportion guaranteed as per the current arrangement. In addition, the value and number of parachute payments to relegated clubs will be considered.

d) The introduction of a pyramid for Scottish football to provide a route for licensed clubs to enter the new structure effective 2014/2015

In the event that a final decision is not reached by 30th November, 2012, the Scottish FA will seek to implement a new structure in time for the 2013/2014 season. The members of the working party, including Chairman, will be announced in the near future and will ensure consultation with all stakeholders prior to final recommendations being made

11 Jul 2012 16:52:43
so much for all the players who loved rangers! they have just ran away to other clubs for free they could have at least sighned contracts with 1 MILL but out clause!

And where do you think the £1m would have gone? Green's pocket. The top lads should have been sold by D&P and the proceeds paid to the creditors.

11 Jul 2012 17:12:37
I had to laugh at the 'sporting integrity' statement from that dark place at the other side of the city. What about Neil Lennon's disgraceful anti referee antics and agenda over the last 2 years which were ultimately swept under the carpet. Every time they lost it was the referee's fault and their integrity was questioned. To me that is 'sporting integrity' but due to the corruption in Scottish Football he escaped with minimal punishment.

You comparing this to the to rangers fiasco? ...dont make me laugh

And no refs or linesmen were found guilty of wrong doings against celtic?artybhoy

Once again we have some @rse taking a swipe at celtic for his clubs mess get a life

What about the 'sporting integrity' of leaving a trail of debt to hundreds of creditors including football clubs and the tax man! What about the corruption that is happening right now to the sfl clubs to accommodate the newco into the first division? Yes Neil Lennon has made comments about referee's, some justified (Dougie McDonald) we won that game by the way, and some not justified, Neil Lennon has been punished by the authorities with touchline bans, what about Ally McCoist's comments about the tribunal? They were subjected to threats from the 'lunatic fringe' when McCoist must have known who the panel were, after all Rangers had representatives at the hearing along with their legal team, that seems to be have swept under the carpet. johnbhoy79

I'm still surprised that McCoist was never punished for his rant which had the nutters crawling out of the woodwork to threaten innocent individuals, their families and places of work because they made a decision he didn't like despite the fact he already knew the names of the people responsible for the decision.
Al

The Gers are being punished for what happened last year under Craig Whyte, no more, no less. The years of corruption your lot go on about is an accusation, not a fact. You can entitled to try to justify your hatred in any way that you like, but it is what it is and has nothing to do with integrity, sporting or otherwise.

And 3, how is the poster trying to blame NL for rangers troubles?

11 Jul 2012 12:59:07
if scottish teams get beat in europe will it (our) gers fault because everthing is our fault to every dug an their grannie ! just wondering. hehe

In a word yes. If we weren't in administration then mwell wouldn't get the doing that lies ahead of them

Just you keep wondering in the day ward,be medication time soon.

Talk about paranoia, in a word no, teams in europe will only have themselves to blame if the don't do well . but can regroup and focus on what they where doin wrong and try to improve next time around . On the other hand will you blame yourselves if they do well in europe .geo

Will the bears take credit if other scottish teams do well in europe ... tipping over the edge of paranoia i think ,,geo

Aw diddums. Is everbody blaming you for everything? Get yer da to them. Jesus feck, if a Scottish team gets pumped in Europe it will be pretty much the same as your recent European record. Gonna stop blaming everybody for your f*ck-up. (Rangers, not you personally)

The wee teams voted not to allow a new company (that's you) straight into the SPL... this hurts them financially and also sets a precedent for the future that they can't just do a Rangers. I think that took baws. Defo a level of integrity never seen at Ibrox this century.

I feel for the real Gers fans (the one's without the huge chip on their shoulder) and think everbody should have a bit of compassion. In return you should show some compassion for the predicament you have put Scottish football in and the embarassment your club has caused.

Hope this sh*t is sorted soon. Enjoy banter more than bile.

Shug

Its Celtics best chance to do well. They can rest the top players more often because of no real competition in the league and keep a fresh strong team ready for midweek euro games. I fear for Motherwell but best of luck to them. CheltBlue

The only reason there is 2 teams in champions league is because rangers got to final of uefa cup, Celtic have done nothing in last 5 year's in Europe.

No 5: is that my grannies dug cause hes called shug! haha

I was with you Shug until the 'Defo a level of integrity never seen at Ibrox this century.' bit.

Why you have to spoil an otherwise solid post with that tripe is beyond me, but maybe you can let me know, is it more banter or bile?

To no9. I simply mean that the directors of the SPL made a decision that WILL cost them to some degree. I would doubt that any main man at Ibrox has voluntarily made a decision based on pure integrity in the last 10+ years. I do not mean the players, management or fans. U have all been shafted.

Shug

11 Jul 2012 11:15:51
1.5 million for properties, 2.75 million for player contracts. Surely when BDO are appointed as liquidators this has to be looked at, it smells to say the least! I think this circus is going to rumble on.

And was it just a coincidence that the total of £5.5m paid for the assets was the same amount as D & P's fees?

Totally agree i hope for the sake of our club they look at this and get our assets back as soon as possible and sale to the highest bidder cause duff an phelps and green have pulled a fast one hear considering there was a higher bid allready on the table of 6million

While I agree that BDO should be looking at and recinding the sale to Green. If they do this then that is not goodnews for rangers. The assets would then either be in an auction by job lot. Or broken up and sold off. All of this would take time and lead to further dispute. It would make the chances of Rangers playing football very slim. I stillsay your best bet is get the fans to create a team apply for the third and play out of either hamden or Firhill. Sadly I think the time for doing that might be past for this year. But if Green continues on the way he's going then you'll probably have to do it next year.

@2.assets should be sold off to pay all the creditors!

If BDO manage to reverse the deal to sell to Green then it is bad news indeed. Yes, the properties will be sold (hopefully to someone interested in football like Walter's friends) and Green gets his £5.5m back. If he still has the appetite he can keep the SPL and SFA shares (£1 each apparently) and use Sevco to start Rangers up again, paying rent to the owners of Ibrox. (Who won't sell for £1.5m!)

11 Jul 2012 08:43:54
ED052,you seem to have a bit of an attitude fofor a new ed ! {Ed052's Note - Why is that

Probably the site now has different moderators. Duh!!!

10 Jul 2012 22:08:09
Whats with not being able to post on comments anymore ed? {Ed052's Note - You can post Rumours,Banter, Reply to others etc, I have just started being Ed today to help other eds out as they are busy aswell with life

11 Jul 2012 00:01:57
i take it Paul Gascoigne wasn't breathalised before coming out with his latest wonderful idea ?

C'mon, theres enough drivel in the press without talking complete sh*te !!

Has anyone added up the total fan base for the 30 clubs being asked to vote against us ?
My reckoning is they couldn't fill Ibrox - well I hope for our sake they make the right decision otherwise there's no plug big enough to stop our game going down the drain.
Love it or hate it, Scottish football NEEDS Rangers to survive long term.
Even some of the "other mob" say they want to play us regularly. Not sure about Ginger's opinion though.

No it doesn't NEED Rangers, it's just that it will be poorer without Rangers. It was all avoidable, you know. The SPL could have had enshrined in its rules "Rangers and Celtic shall never be relegated or expelled". Doesn't sound right though, does it.