Rangers Banter Archive June 11 2012

11 Jun 2012 22:26:30
Does anyone think if the c v a is accepted on thursday that craig whyte shall hand over his 85 percent shares over to mr green. Also do you think that mr green shall have the funds to keep the club going and keep the top players.

11 Jun 2012 21:04:49
It would appear lots of creditors have not received the relevant CVA paperwork yet.Any fan groups on top of this? If not why? they claim to represent supporters.

I would hazard a guess that every creditor has noticed what is going on with D&P and Green and will know their address.

Not everyone, i have now sent three emails and Duff & Phelps are not returning any phone calls.

Das Shadow

11 Jun 2012 20:04:14
honestly you rangers fans are seriously brain dead if you think for one second that any player worth his salt would sign for you. Look at the state of your club and realise Green is making a quick fix and you will be back in administration within a year and he will have made a few quid and bolted. Open your eyes

Who's your great club signing then ? Everyone you's are linked with are unheard of and still knock u back , but hey all problems will be resolved when you's sign the £10m rated Rodallega

@1: how's you know what club the OP supports?

Bolted to wear, exactly?

TTG

Completely agree with OP. With decent advice even under 18 year olds should be very wary of the stigma that is going to be associated with Rangers. If opponents crowds have been less than welcoming in the past they are going to be downright hostile to RFC (IA) or newco in the next few years'.

@4. Alrighty then,great sayer of sooth's.
Are you seriously suggesting that certain club's fans can dislike RFC anymore than they have done throughout their lives? It's called bitterness formed under a fog of religious bile and hatred that's been prevalent for decades. Your mystic revelation is hardly breaking news to the natives of Scotland and Ireland.
You are also somewhat naive in thinking that young players will be disuaded by anything,that stops them playing for the team they grew up supporting,and making a career for themselves.
P.O.B.

11 Jun 2012 18:01:49
Just phoned ticket office and if your season ticket was purchased over the 4 months last season then u will probably find its set up to automatically renew EVERY season! First payment comes off 29 june! Just a warning to anyone who is holding off it will update on 29 june unless you cancel (this is the season ticket continuous arrangement!). Seemingly a box ticked on original form? Craig whyte special ticket renewing and don't even know it! {Ed039's Note - I mentioned before this has been happening to my ticket for years, its defo not new)

Omg this isn't anything new as the ED has already stated , are people just desperate to make any conspiracy theory up loads of companies do this , why are people reading something into this when it's nothing . {Ed039's Note - Exactly, I think it must have happened to mine for maybe 6-7 years)

I have the option of renewing my book on my form and so has my old man...

TTG

The OP is another happy supporter then?

11 Jun 2012 16:48:58
Out of administration a real possibility however would we have enough funds to run the club for next season. I except our cloth has been cut and a team of high priced players wont happen. However without proper funding we may just back in to administration within 12 to 18 months or sooner and with the new level of points deducted may even risk us to be relegated.

Difficult to disagree. Running costs at a ground the size of Ibrox means it must get very large gates all the time. Very few visiters will bring support. No Europe Not too many silver linings in the clouds.

11 Jun 2012 16:18:08
This forum has more Non rangers supporters than rangers supporters.
Vote yes if you hold a season ticket for RFC and no if you dont

Does anyone hold a season ticket at ibrox just now?

Are you saying you are only a Rangers fan if you have a season ticket?

We must only have 35,000 supporters

11 Jun 2012 16:15:34
I am amazed at fans saying gattuso is a rangers legend please explain why? He played 34 games for rangers scoring 3 goals winning nothing the 1 season he was there. Maybe a legend in italy but not up here imo

Truth is hes an azzuri and Milán legend who played for rangers a few times. Nothing wrong with liking him though. I do and i'm a tic fan.

11 Jun 2012 15:03:43
Gloating Celtic and other SPL supporters. .
Newspaper columnists seeking crisis upon crisis.
Dave King Paul Murray and other negative fans.....

Its time for real supporters to support the club. Its not naive or anything. Many Club owners leave a lot to be desired. Im supporting the Club not Gree.Im giving him a chance. He deserves that because HE did most to save our club. Murray and Co could have had it but they didnt quite get there. .

We are where we are and we move forward. . We support... evermore.... we follow follow.....
We have sung about it ...now we show it.
If we "lose our history" then we also "lose our seo called sectarian background... how will other clubs including celtic... "hate" a newco with no history... illl tell you how....just watch them...
Because they cant slag of a newco for "sporting integrity"...cos theyre new of course.
We all know the history is written in our minds and souls. It cannot be erased. It cannot be rewritten. these are the dark days and this is how life is. We get on with it. It is our time to chase and we Welcome doing the chasing.
Bill struth!.. what would he have said and done. ..we look to our forefathers before Murryay and white. The would expect us, the sons and grandsons to do the right thing. To support the club in its hour need. To support them like no other tiime. to galvanise and pull together. To show strength and humilty. but to support them evermore!

Look if this cva gets the go ahead then good but i think we r all missing the point what happens a few weeks down the line when the results of the big tax case comes in oh i no lets go back into addmin and shaft the taxman again and get more points taken away

U start your post with gloating celtic and words like hate once again we a fool on here blaming all around for rangers problems

Bit early for the drink is it not?

As a non Rangers supporter I can not imagine what Bill Struth would have done in the present situation because it would never have arisen.

If all this were happening to Celtic instead we'd be gloating. And raging as well. And demanding they are thrown out the league. No point in denying it because it is blatantly obvious.

11 Jun 2012 14:48:03
Do I buy my son and my season tickets now?
I started going with my Dad when i was 6. I have seen celts 9 in a row and enjoyed Cooper Gazza Laudrup and 9 in a row. I watched the Moscow Dynamo Game on the telly cos my Dad couldnt afford to take his 11yo son!.
I later was fortunate enough to take my own 11yo son to Machester which we enjoyed whist regretting the behaviour of some supporters.
I have watched mates supporting Partick Thistle St Mirren etc. and win nothing while Ive had more than my fill of glory.
Season Tickets. Yes!. Ill buy mine now. Ill take my chances. Its not about Green or anything alse its about Loyalty and Support. Its not no surrender or follow follow or WATP...... yet its all of these. ISupporting Rangers defines me. Its part of who I am. I will buy and I will support and I will take my chances and I will take it on the chin!. SoI am ant sectarian and pro Rangers. I regret our debt and apologise to all our debtors. I will support the "Club" whether its a CVA or Newco or whatever. They cant take our history away. 54 titles. The meoris are etched in my soul. They cannot be wiped cleqan. Nor indeed can our debt and these dark days will remain a stain on our club... but thats ok and we must learn from our errors and accept out them with humility. But not to buy season tickets... Give me break. ill pay the same price in spl, 3rd division or Juniors. Ill support them through this difficult period. To do anything less would be embarassing and disloyal and not in the nature of a true supporter. Support the time for 90 minutes. Support them in the dark days. If they never get back to greatness then so be it, but give up and let them down... not on my watch!... and btw... Id expect nothing less from supporters of any club.

Mrs green are you not meant to be out shopping?

Heartfelt.But will you feel the same about a newco?

11 Jun 2012 14:07:41
Wit a cheek just got my renewal season ticket through no even asking me if im renewing just going to go into my bank on the 29th june and take 1st instalment . {Ed039's Note - Mines has done that for years)

Delighted to at last get opportunity to buy my Tickets and support the team. I often wondered why i support a team. Is it to win....or is the loyalty and support the thing... the support in the dark days. Your best friends are the ones that stand alongside you in the darkest days. It makes the relationship stronger. Stand by the team!

Don't see what the problem is , it's a very common practice most businesses utilise this from microsoft to insurance companies online streaming of films , all adopt this practice.

11 Jun 2012 13:38:41
"Former Sheffield United chief executive Mr Green said that the money from season ticket renewals, which were posted out to fans on Friday, would be held in a "secure" banking account and would not be made available until after the club had exited administration. He described Mr King's claims as "disruptive" to the attempted takeover of the club."

So now we know.

Now we know what?

@1 We know he is holding on to all the money. The creditors are getting nothing, nor is Ticketus ,nor is RFC(IA). He is getting it all.

11 Jun 2012 13:32:54
I really think the end for Rangers is nigh. This has nothing whatsoever to do with CVA's, the SFA, HMRC or the SPL. This is down to the inability by a sizeable percentage of Rangers fans to grasp a) the situation they are in and b) why they are there in the first place. Gattuso, Lovenkrands, Smith, Petrov, Gordon. GET REAL. I understand Green punting you that pipe dream, him I can forgive, he is trying to sell a product and season tickets but is there one of you that thinks this is really the way to go right now? Overpaid players have brought you to your knees and still the encouragement to do so again is being supported. This is exactly why the events of the past twelve years or so took place because Murray knew Rangers fans, in huge numbers, don't do pragmatic. You would never have forgave him for the admission around the year 2001 that the pot was empty and a few frugal years might have to be suffered. It was all trophies here and beating Celtic there. Murray knew the club were skint, some of you must surely have suspected some of this cant possibly add up. £12m for Flo, Klos on wages akin to Beckham. But nope, here we are, big names getting shouted out with great enthusiasm. It is beginning to remind me of moths eternally burning their arse on a lightbulb.

11 Jun 2012 11:15:08
Someone must be to blame and someone must be punished!
The schadenfreude and joyous vitriol from other fans is breathtaking.
rangers are a victim of David Murrays investment strategy that the world and his business empire would keep growing. he didnt plan for MIM and RFC to end up in Millions of debt. However RBS, Greece, Tom Hunter, Spain, Woolworths etc etc have been caught out by the world economy too. Yes he called it wrong but it really is as simple as that. We cant afford to service our debt. In retrospect its not clever.
Green pay to buy the club...the lowest figure that beats the next bidder. Thats how the western economy works. Can Rangers trade profitably...are they a going concern?... Yes!..

If that is your opinion, then you will have no complaints if trophies won during the double contract regime are removed, surely if David Murray caused it , then David Murray won the trophies.

What a stupid question,"can rangers trade profitably" err,no! Not in it's current shape.Factor in the euro ban and a possible longer ban and it all points to trouble

11 Jun 2012 01:18:36
Hi Fellows Bears, Can someone clear up a few issues Ed maybe you know.
Its not the end of the world if we go New CO route surely?(OK we might lose history but that's only a might!) But we can tear up all the Catering and Jersey contracts, as these are vital sources of income for the club, as long as there is a Rangers playing at Ibrox then that's the same Rangers and far as I am concerned, as long as they play in blue and have the RFC on the crest then whats the difference. SO calm down everyone, initially I did not want to go New Co route but with everybody at each others throats, the New Co route will be the quickest route back.The SPL will take us in cause we've 50,000 home fans and about 30,000 away fans, what other club can bring that in.

If we go NEwco we will receive a 10 point reduction, but well still be in the SPL and be able to buy and sell players. So overall its not a bad deal .
The CVA just isn't going to work, people will be going on for years about the 6p in the pound and the unpaid debts, and still no income from catering or strips!.

There are going to be so many people suing each other that I would be fearful that if King or Whyte won their case we would be back to square one facing liquidation again. Lets get it over with and in time for the start of the new season, its about football not court room drama's.

The Fans are getting tired and we need to get as much cash in as possible, Greens not looking to confident of getting all these contributors on board its all dragging out too long. Also although I had written off Craig Whyte I had hopes the Duff and Phelps would do their job and get us a new owner with cash, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and hoped they had nothing to do with CW, but now after the recent expose on the BBC I feel there all in it together to asset strip Rangers and the fans and basically get a great club for nothing, cause were in so much debt, after all CW is a liquidator its what he knows best!
Ed.. when will we know if the Players have been paid their full wages?
Also 1 last point I think were continually kicking the ball up the road to avoid the SPL and SFA making decision until someone like HMRC or ticketus liquidate rangers, thus saving them the hassle of making a sensible decision.

Its time Rangers fans pulled the rug from under the whole lot and demand a liquidation now, let go New Co keep the name thus the inferred history, there will always be that connection, and tell the leechers to get stuffed particularly D&P because by the time their finished there will be no money left !
Ger 61 {Ed039's Note - Alot of points mate lol, firstly as a Newco there is no gurantee that we would be in the SPL, instances where a Newco applies for a clubs share in the SPL will be dealt with on a case by case basis therefore we dont know what would happen if we went down that route. I am sure there will be plenty of publicity when/if payday in June passes with incident. Newco may be the best we can hope for, I would prefer to stay RFC of 1872 but I would support any Newco as who else would I support?)

Ger 61, a lot of valid points in there but I think you may have the SPL/SFA the wrong way round, I think THEY are hoping Rangers implode, go bust, whatever before THEY have to make the decision. Also one thing you didn't mention but as far as I know is true, wouldn't a newco be banned from Europe for 3 years?
Gaz

What a load of nonsense.Point one:If you go newco your history is gone,finished as rangers 1872 will be liquidated.The clue is in the name,newco= new company.Green has even admitted this.Ibrox is the other problem as it will be sold to the highest bidder.If some one buys it and leases it back to newco then you can play there.Problem is the liquidators will value the sale price v the break up price and recommend the best option for creditors,and remember it is not D&P who liquidate but BDO who play with a straight bat.So you might need to play elsewhere.Point two; You dont need to demand a liquidation,just dont buy season tickets and Green will run a mile cos he aint got no cash!