Rangers Banter Archive May 11 2012

11 May 2012 22:07:49
Anybody else see an email supposedly sent to d+p from kennedys lawyer might be a load of p1sh but kinda in some ways makes sense if they leaked it because kennedy was getting made to look like a mug and when ur worth that kinda money ur usually not.The whole situation has stank from start i wish bk would get them for the reason being i think they would save our club from newco, money men from london will just strip everything they can from us.. I literally feel like sh1t because of this.
craig+babybear

Whyte has orchestrated this from the start. Celtic fans have creamed themselves at the rangerstaxcase blog. He still posts that HMRC won't agree a CVA . FFS duff and phelps and whyte don't want one, Liquidation was always the game plan. The BK's debacle IMO now enforces this. The BTC etc is an irrelevance, Whyte has outsmarted them all, there will be no payment to creditors. RTC has played into their gameplan by completely missing the point, feckin endgame and I am scunnered, Rangers Fc RIP, welcome Glasgow Rangers FC 2012.

Where will this new team play? HMRC will sell EVERYTHING!

11 May 2012 21:57:25
i dont get the fans who are in dream land with every millionaire or multi is going to poor all their cash in to carrying on the way you were before ....reality is no matter who buys it....rangers wont have anywhere near the buying power..or credit they had

liquidation..raises more cash for creditors

best thing is 3rd div.....and scottish football to crash and rebuild over next 10 years, lets face it, the damage rangers have done cannot be undone ... allot worse to come in sanctions

Agree ,everyone must cut the cloth realistically, only real losers will be tic and funds lost by half a dozen old firm games a season every cloud??

@1;what a stupid post as your club circle the drain

@2 so why are you lot trying again to get into the English League, again?

@2 it's a banter page ffs.

11 May 2012 21:32:10
I liked what I was hearing from Kennedy and think its the only to go, these blue knights are not stupid people. Do we want faceless business men who have no idea about us? Yes the club must be saved, that's vital, but since this whole sorry mess started, I have read and listened to numerous people and if the blue knights and Kennedy say they are going to save us, bloody let them in now!

CWD

Are they rangers minded
if so
explain rangers minded

You kick wae yer right foot doug t.s.o

Rangers minded = Bigoted, arrogant, in denial, blinkered, noisy, prejudice, dishonest, delusions of granduer, ideas well above their station, liars, cheats and theives.

Poster no 3 if youd to go to the old funny mirrors at the shows in old kelvin hall with your tic top on ,your that blind youd see a guy wae a gers top in the reflection of you ,and still say that guys a bigot FACE FACTS NAMELESS ONE YOUR THE ONE THATS THE BIGOT doug t.s.o

@4 (tsno): where is the bigotry in post 3? The poster gives an opinion you don't like and you accuse them of being a bigot. This suggests you won't tolerate their opinion: does this make you a bigot? Or just a muppet?

5.) no i think it makes (4.) honest mark.

@6: so explain the bigotry... do you even know what bigotry actually is?

@6. yes i do @3. says rangers minded then goes off on one. now im not saying there is not so called rangers fans out there with them attitudes but that is a minority they are not RANGERS MINDED ...mark.

Ohhh @6. bigotry means narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination. is that ok for you ...mark.

@7;bigotry is removing eggs benedict from the ibrox menu cos it's the Pope's name.pathetic

@7: but the list doesn't include anything that makes the poster bigoted.

@10 as your so fond of pointing out rangers are not in control of thier catering anymore maybe you should file a complaint with them....mark.

Well ive never heard of a german named benedict ,would have sounded better with wolfgang / gert /klaus /hermann /adolf ( austrian ) doug t.s.o {Ed022's Note - Slight stereotyping there mate...}

11 May 2012 20:50:01
Duff and Duffer reject the BK bid . Why ? The reason is quite simple . They have not put enough money down that will satisfy a future meeting of the creditors. All rangers fans must get it into their heads D @ P are there to represent the creditors , NOT rangers. So far, no bid will generate more money than a sale of the assets brought by liquidating the club.The administrarors, who report to the Court of Session, would be deemed negligent should they accept a substandard offer. There. Told you Simple

Finally some1 who gets it 100% agree mate


TB

Well put. Sometimes I think the constAnt crap confuses the position. D&P need to try and get the best for the poor sods that have been screwed by the Gers. As fans start to think NewCo they are also saying "forget who we owe". But D&P need to sell the assets at a realistic value. I wish the good Gers the best but think your reputation is forever tarnished. SDM to blame.

#1 & 2.
You haven't got a clue.
TBK's always said they would be the last man standing,and they were while their proposed plan was viable.
D&P made sure they would not succeed,as their plan was always liquidtion. TBK's plan was via CVA,it's now to late for that. Their bid equated to a quantum amount of £11million,so why did D&P reject it?. That's what Brian Kennedy is asking.
They accepted Bill Millers bid of £11.2million,so why not TBK's?
As to the remaining bidders, are D&P expeting us to believe that their bid is going to be better?,how do D&P know this? The remaining bidders haven't even done the due diligence yet,so how do they know how much to offer,or what they are bidding for. So there can be no bid as of now. What's to stop them doing a BM and walking away once they see the books?
Absolutley nothing! And it's too late for the BK's to implement their plan. Result..Liquidation..Exactly what CW,and D&P wanted from the outset. The BM deal was a bluff to make it look like D&P were willing to do a deal.
So have a wee dig and a snigger if that makes you happy,but at least try and be objective and factual about what you deem appropriate to post,it only makes you look foolish,and it's not even banter,just uninformed nonsense.
"Rapidly diminishing"- Optimistic Bear.

11 May 2012 19:57:45
its quite simple, BK best for the fans because they shaft the creditors in the biggest way, d+p cant accept them because of how badly they are going to shaft the creditors. BK's bring shame, by SHAFTING the creditors the hardest, if you are shouting for them, you are shouting for shame. Walter wants a salary, Souness wants a salary, they are their to get the knuckledraggers on board but for want of a better example, those two salaries could pay the facepainter. I dont like using examples like that because that was a snapshot of creditors but this is unbelievable. People are going to start calling for Duff and Phelps head, calm down step back, they have to justify work and fees in a court of law, if they act improperly they (the individuals) go to jail, an insolvency practitioners license is personal it cannot be hidden in a company. They are acting for the people that the decent element of your support want to pay.
In short
Wise up and get behind the green, sure a minute ago you were all clamouring for a share issue, now you might get a floatation, get behind him, dont abuse him and dont compare him to those BK jokers.
Thanks
Nevis

Main poster - think you should explain that to your own support.

Okay Nevis,but why did D&P accept BM's bid then?
"Previously" Optimistic Bear

11 May 2012 19:32:11
I can't , for the life of me , understand the rage at Duff & Phelps . They were hired by Whyte to deal with the fiasco left behind by Murray . Murray had been trying to sell RFC for years , knowing full well this tax avoidance and unsustainable debt was going to be the death blow to the club , he then offloaded it to a serial asset stripper for a pound . Its the dirty side of business , but that's what Whyte does .
This was always going to finish with liquidation . If a proper billionaire had thrown full payments at all debts they would end up owning a debt free RFC that was about to be put under a transfer embargo , banned from Europe and possibly refused a licence as punishment for the EBT years . Throw 200m at a club that can't play ? Never going to happen
Hence , the present situation . A crowd of vultures , sorry , saviours (Miller, Green , Blue Knights et al ) tossing in derisory offers , knowing they will be tossed out rapidly . These vultures will still be hanging around when Hector steps in and hits the club square on the chin and they are liquidated . They will buy Ibrox and the training facilities and the cash will be split between the creditors .

Newco in the SPL ? Newco in SFL 3? These things will reveal themselves in time , however , there will be no more Rangers .

jimi88

Jimi88 think a bit of wishful thinking on your part but time will tell im not an expert either but i atleast know that mark.

Very well said sir

@Mark

" a bit of wishful thinking on your part "

No wishful thinking at all , Mark

EBT' s and their use is a fact
RFC's debts are a fact
Transfer embargo is a fact
European ban for unaudited accounts ? Fact !
Asset stripping owner ? Fact .
Handful of failed bids from " saviours " ? Fact
Liquidation raises more than a CVA ? Fact !

None of the above are what you , or anyone , would call wishful thinking , these are all facts , whether you like it or not .
Those facts dont include HMRC's possible 75m tax bill , thus rendering RFC , in its present guise , finished , kaput , no more .

jimi88

11 May 2012 18:54:52
I'm a Livi supporter and although I would hate to see RFC treated any less leniently than we and Dundee were treated , I think Div 3 would be fatal for Rangers.
I don't think the fans would follow follow for too long if they didn't get promoted back to the SPL within 3 seasons. As for Duff and Phelps I think they are hiding something and being totally dishonest with you all. Conmen got you into this mess but more conmen won't get you out of it.

11 May 2012 19:13:39
I have been a Rangers fan for 50 odd years and I wonder why Brian Kennedy wants to buy Rangers. He is a self confessed Hibs fan and wants to save our club, why? It is funny how he only named Walter and Souness today, why, were they too shy and didn't want the publicity. Again, another lot of potential buyers who couldn't tell us the truth. Why not put their plans into the public arena now that they have withdrawn or would we then see how little money they actually had to run the club. There plan was based on us buying into their shares issue, which lets face we never have on any other issues, so there was no guarantee their plan would work because they wanted us to buy into their dream. I am not a fan of Duff and Phelps but they are not obliged to accept the buyer the fans want, in fact they don't work for Rangers they work for the court on behalf of the creditors and we should remember that. I have said it since the end of February that we are dead in the water and lets face it who really cares anymore. It is time to pull our heads out of the sand and realise we will be lucky to finish in the top half of the table if we are still here next year, that is the 3rd or the SPL, if we are stupid enough to stay in the SPL to subsidise every other clubs budget.

Jackie

Jackie did you hear the guy earlier on radio he had a good point.
relagate rfc to first div spl/sfa take out loan to compensate all the other clubs in spl for loss of income make rfc service this loan when they come back up.
this would allow rfc to stand proud by declaring we have compensated other clubs took our punishment and now we are back again.

11 May 2012 19:02:10
I've said since day 1, duff and duffer are acting for whyte and after today's decision I know I was correct, instead of marching against sfa and worrying who Neil Lennon is fighting with we should be more concerned about whyte and duff and duffer.

Why should you be worried about the firm who have been charged by a court with getting the best possible deal for the creditors? If liquidation/newco gets that, then that's what'll happen.

11 May 2012 18:25:16
where are these supposed two rangers connected parties that us fans would be excited about?? {Ed022's Note - Beyond me mate.}

Sir Tom Hunter and Phil Grabiner(ex Liverpool connection) Sir Philip Green ex M&S
Optimistic Bear

11 May 2012 18:04:58
Your right, I've just about had it with duff and duffer. BK and Kennedy were our best bet - I'm actually fuming right now grrrr...

The bid with the least amount of money was the best bet? Are you for real?

Its not whats best for rangers! ...its whats best for creditors they people who are owed the money

What is it about the BK that seems to have everyone on their side, from what i can see they have been full of the type of chat that is so popular with fans, but despite apparently being given chance after chance they never seemed to come up with the goods moneywise.

@2: indeed but you can't blame the fans for wanting what's best for their club. Unfortunately there were too few people in positions of power within the club thinking about what was best for Rangers in the last few years.

1903

11 May 2012 17:52:52
just a little pick me up for you down hearted bears from a celt dont ya think if rangers a liquidated that bthe last two peaple to own them were green and white you couldnt make this st=t up your english tim jodrok

You have to laugh this must be hilarious to the none bears what a shambles we are in

11 May 2012 17:40:21
just watched the Kennedy interview
and make no mistake he is the guy
that should be running Rangers. Very
impressive indeed. With a football
board of Walter, Ally & Souness
would have been great. Once again
Duff & Duffer have knocked them
back. We need Rangers men there, not some faceless investors from god knows where.
I realise that D & D have a duty to
the creditors, but when they produced
the money required they are still
turned down.
If this new mob do a Miller and walk
away, we are then doomed.
Kennedy is the man for the job

All very well having a football board of people you like but what if there was f-all money to run the club, as it appeared would have been the case with Kennedy's bid?

I understand your argument....however...saying that Kennedy et al have a lot of cash, and asking the question why they dont throw it at the bid is simple. Once a CVA is agreed, and everyone has accepted their pence in the pound, thats LAW...finnished.....no comebacks for the creditors. Then, and only then, would a businessman, who knows how to turn around a distressed company, would you see the real colour of their money. To flash the cash right now, would see the BK consortium merely paying off debt they never accrued....take the emotion out of this fellow bears, just for a moment. and ask yourself this question.......would you rather these guys tipped their total pot of cash into the black hole of SDM ruinous tenure, and had not a bean to take the club thru the next 12 months until it was standing on its own 2 feet?...or would you rather they used their business acumen (succesful men, remember) to stick to a plan they KNOW would work?.......

11 May 2012 17:35:16
just watched your mr kennedy on sky sports worth a personal fortune of 600 mill and swears to love rangers and wants to save it with this band of brothers the blue knights , i might be a tim and in your view should stay out of your world of all is blue but this group of die hards could only muster up a kitty of 11 mill betwween them do the math boys do the math yous are f=====

Thought he was a Hibs fan?

1903

You only get rich if you dont waste your money. His bid was wat he thought was right. I think weve missed out on that one... CheltBlue

11 May 2012 17:27:27
Just listened to Brian Kennedy there and personally I think rangers have lost out, the man seems to know our great club IMO I think we might have just lost our new knight :((

John1glasgow

11 May 2012 17:22:04
Think im gunna cry, having heard what the kennedy and the blue knights were going to do, and that they were gunna hire walter and souness, please accept the blue knights bid PLEAESE

Smith, Souness and no money. Sounds great.

11 May 2012 16:42:32
Fellow gers, if this green does get the keys to ibrox we must not put anymore money into rfc as we know it now, this guy sold sheffield utd's whole squad and bolted... And has links to craig white... Us the fans should wash our hands with them and go form our own rangers fc... Its the fans that make the club what it is.

11 May 2012 16:34:02
Just heard that Charles GREEN is part
of group along with WHYTE, now all we
need is David GOLD and your directorss
box will be GREEN, WHYTE AND GOLD
perhaps wearing SHAMROCKS for luck
LOL Timalloy

11 May 2012 16:08:02
all these people saying I hope such and such doesn't buy rangers or whatever tbh id take anyone with the position we are in, we cant be picky, if they are gonna save the club then i give them my support, some people have to realise that we don't have the time to be picky about who is gonna take over, its do or die for the club.

GCGer

11 May 2012 15:47:53
Charles green eh , does not make pleasant reading! This guys another whyte
PaulRFC

Could be worse ,it could have been charlie brown ( as in the song why is every body always picking on me ) doug t.s.o

Green and Whyte at Ibrox?
F*ck sake they tried painting the Louden Tavern green as well.
Is Lawell trying to take us over? lol
Stunned Bear

Louden wasn't painted green it was a undercoat so the blue comes up darker lol

You'd be better off with Cee lo Green.

11 May 2012 15:35:22
the guy leading the bid for rangers is called charles GREEN!. no wonder Duf & duffer didnt want to announce that oneDuring Green's stint at Bramall Lane the Blades were listed on the stock exchange in 1997, but results on and off the field were disappointing.

11 May 2012 15:10:43
i cant wait until this is all over im sure all of us rangers fans feel the same way, we are all fans of football, not politics, finances, scaremongering, just saying it will be nice to be worry free as fans and concentrate on supporting our players on the park.....jsm

If Charles Green is heading your way i would be worried.Sheffield utd love him! Is he an asset stripper?........green jhedi {Ed014's Note -

@Jedhi.
A bit quiet today Jedhi until the news came through then quick as a flash,you swoop with your negativity.
As a realist mate, i'm just glad that someone want's to come near our club at all. It's all about survival now, so who cares what he does. If RFC are still around,i'll back whoever comes in.
As for "Asset Stripper", we already had two of those Murray and Whyte.
If this guy Green is going to pay for the asbestos stripping,and pay for the club to trade into the close season and beyond,then he'll do for me.
Optimistic Bear

@3: maybe Jhedi, like me, checked out his history and what Sheffield United fans have to say about him. He is not popular with them - go onto their page and you'll see comments saying that he'd be worse than Whyte.

@2;Check out his history,i doubt you will feel the same about him.........green jhedi

@1 The jeremy kyle of the web.

@5; your a funny guy! get a manager you should not be in your room handling yourself........green jhedi

11 May 2012 14:39:58
Londoner Joe Lewis, the 7th richest man in the UK with a reported wealth of 3.2 billion pounds is on track to secure preferred bidder status of Rangers FC along with business partner Daniel Levy. Both have previous experience in Premier League and Championship football and both are currently involved heavily at Tottenham Hotspur.
It is also extremely important to note that Lewis invested 40 million pounds in Rangers in 1997 during the Sir David Murray reign. At that point of time he had a vested interest in the club with around 20% shareholding.
Daniel Levy also sat on the board for Rangers FC during the same period.
They have secured transfer of Craig Whyte's 85.3% majority shareholding.
Walter Smith knows both businessman through their time at Ibrox with him, and this is where the link has been established between Walter Smith and the UK mystery consortium.
WATP

Wishful thinking.Have a read at the report of the investigation into rangers,might be of interest to you.

Sounds like a dream come true for us fans, i hope your rumour come reality W.A.T.P.....jsm

For t second time today, no its not, EMIC are to successful at tottenham to walk away, bothe rangers and tottenham couldnt play in europe in same season.

Does it really matter who, if anyone takes over Rangers, I think the most important issues are still to come, can Rangers continue to function after the SPL,SFA , HMRC, CVA, FLOATING CHARGE etc etc

Let me put this to you if you were gona buy a car you have 20 grand the car is for sale for 200 pound but it needs fixed which will cost you 800 pounds but you realy want this car you would pay the money and then get it fixed this is the kind of numbers with this joe lewis was that simple enough for ya stop dreaming ther is no knight in shinning armour your going to the 3rd division final except your punishment like men its nausious now ,

The London based consortium is fronted by ex Sheffield utd chief exec Charles green and backed up by some ragtag bunch of businessmen.another timewaster no doubt.

@6
So you've still not learned the lesson.
Why are you putting the boot in to a potential buyer of our club?
Have you been keeping up with everything that's been going on,and possibly still to come,for our club? We should be grateful that ANYONE is willing to come near us with a ten foot bargepole mate,so let's wait and see what the proposals and outcomes are before slagging off any prospective new owners. I just want Rangers to survive,and anyone who can do that for us has got my support,until proved otherwise.
Stunned-but slightly uplifted-Bear

@7: check out what Sheffield United fans are saying about him.

11 may 2012 14:35:01
if rangers get away with no big punishment the repercutions will filter worse for scottish football than could be imagind for celtic dunndee untd hibs aberdeen fans to all boycote the 2 cups with no fans home or away would bust the sfa in one season and if one of them were to get to the final in both cups would be the end of the govening body as we know it this is not a threat by these fans its a promise so but this wouldnt bother yous as yous are in tunnel vision but then yous wouldnt now what punishment is .so the ex rangers board up in hampden have got one big decision that is why they keep putting off the big decsion its a save rangers and die themselfs or properly punish yous and live

Okay me old matey, feel better for that?
It's good to get things off your chest,now go make yourself a wee cuppa, and have a lie down. The big bad boogeyman will be away when you waken up,there,there.
Stunned Bear

11 May 2012 13:07:47
So Super Ally knew who was on the panel before his rant, what a rat.

Ally is a sleekit wee weasel playing to the bigots and the media

Have you just come out of a coma recently pal?
Or are you just attempting a lame and pathetic wind up?..Unsure whether to wish you a speedy recovery on the former,or congratulate you on achieving the latter. At least try and keep up,this story is weeks old. So away somehere else and bore the pants off people.
Stunned Bear

11 May 2012 10:16:41
Good day fellow bears��

Well this has turned out to be a furgin pantomime, it all seems so farcical, I just don�t
understand how Bevis and But breath the administrators have taken so long to get to this stage!!
(Enlighten me please indulge me in the sordid tale). Sorry trust has deserted me.

I am still extremely sceptical regarding and potential new owners, buyers, Mr Shyster giving up his shares, and renting our ground and training facilities. Stinks a bit, wont believe/trust until we see for ourselves, far to much bull and speculation flying around, but listen, take stock when and if the dust eventually settles, we have a lot of remembering to be done, there are a lot of nasty ash holes out there in the sporting world!! People who would see us go under�.

Nasty nasty, narrow minded ICE Holes.

Its great being a bear. Forever Blue.

11 May 2012 09:31:04
Laurel & Hardy(Aka Duff & Phelps) are at it. There is no London based consortium with epl experience and off the planet wealth. If there really were do you think Brian Kennedy would have been able to deliver his ultimatum?

Duff & Phelps originally said Whyte was an irrelevance and then said they couldn't deliver his shares. Why haven't they been working with Whyte to deliver these three months ago? In truth both L&H/Whyte's plan is to liquidate and all they are doing is stalling for time whilst trying to make it look as if they are doing everything to save our club. Kennedy/TBK are the only show in town. If there offer is not accepted then it is liquidation.

Well its been knocked back so now we will have to see.

GDog
WATP

11 May 2012 00:39:10
GRAEME SOUNESS insists he will only make a sensational return to Rangers if pal Brian Kennedy is handed the keys to Ibrox.

Souey last night told SunSport he was not interested in being part of any other bid.

The Light Blues legend, 59, is close friends with Sale Sharks supremo Kennedy.

But Souness fears his plans to gain control of the crisis club are already doomed.

A mystery UK-based consortium were yesterday locked in talks with administrators Duff & Phelps after agreeing a deal with majority shareholder Craig Whyte.

Souness said: �I know rumours have been rife in Scotland but I can�t understand why my name has been mentioned. I say that because NO ONE has spoken to me.

�If Brian Kennedy had been getting involved there was a possibility � and I emphasise the word possibility � of me having some role to play.

�But I spoke to Brian earlier today and it now looks like he�s out of it.

�I know nothing about the other speculation.�

Kennedy, though, is still part of the Blue Knights� consortium. Their offer remains on the table with a decision expected to finally come today.

Kennedy, below, said: �The administrators chose the wrong horse when they went with Bill Miller.

�I wouldn�t like to see them make the same mistake again.�

Miller�s £11.2million offer favoured a newco scenario but Kennedy stressed again he would only consider a deal that involved exiting administration via a CVA.

He added: �Financially, a newco doesn�t work unless you can write a cheque for £35m to compensate for the absence of European football. We would only contemplate a CVA.�

SunSport can reveal that Kennedy held a secret summit with owner Whyte at his Highland hideaway Castle Grant on Sunday.

The two men talked over options for the stricken Glasgow giants as Whyte battles to find a solution that will NOT see Gers slide into liquidation.

Venture capitalist Whyte is desperate to avoid that scenario.

That�s why he was in negotiations yesterday to push his deal with the UK consortium we revealed as his favoured bidders on Wednesday morning.

That group includes a �household name with Premiership experience� with the big money coming from a Far Eastern financier.

Former directors from clubs in the north east and south of England are also believed to be involved.

But SunSport can reveal legendary boss Walter Smith is NOT involved.

Smith was asked by administrator David Whitehouse to speak to Bill Ng and Bill Miller around a fortnight ago.

They wanted him to outline how much cash would be needed to rebuild the club purely on the football side of things. Other than that, Smith has had no discussions with any other party.

11 May 2012 00:01:36
Late arrival from the Middle East ! A wealthy investor has expressed serious interest in GR within the 36hrs only to be told "Sorry to Late"..... the group were advised they would have to pay deposits and complete the purchase within 7 days.