Rangers Banter Archive November 11 2012

11 Nov 2012 23:23:31
Ok will ask again why has green asked Alloa to wait six weeks before they get paid their gate money...What is the problem

Why don't you ask Charles Green himself, don't think you'll find him here.....try Ibrox.

The season ticket money isn't in the bank untouched.
The £500k offer to Hearts was a bluff knowing mad vlad wouldn't take it. Because Green doesn't have it. The rapid Vienna £800k is disastrous.
Alloa's money isn't a small issue it's very worrying.

The season ticket probably is in bank and untouched (metro bank, 3 months notice before a withdrawal, account max £2million ??) ..... ?

But need clarity on all this little issues....

prospectus keeps going back a week, dual-contract review gets delayed, a perfect strom brewing....

Where is the story? Just googled it and nothing. Until I see a report which states Alloa are owed and weve missed the payment date Im not worried. If it exists then please give a link. Maybe Rangers accountants treat it as an invoice so have x ammount of days to pay? Tescos pay 90 days after invoice for example. CheltBlue

#OP - Where are you getting this rumour about Alloa? I appreciate this is a rumour site but i wish people would cut out posting random crap to stir s*** up!!

Where's this story about that rangers have asked for six weeks to pay Alloa I can't find it and I would think that if there was one it would be a big story as surely the sum involved wont be huge if true this would indicate newco in dire financial difficulty and I'm sure the media would have field day. As for saying the offer to hearts was a bluff how can you say that green could never know what Romanov would say and imagine Romanov accepted and if green never had the money now that would have been a disaster. So therefore I must conclude that the ops post is total tripe and nothing but scaremongering

@4 standard payment terms as per SFA for gate money between clubs is 30 days.

This is not a rumour ..Phone Alloa all true

Same link about mortgaging the season tickets was asked for last year - wasn't believed till in your face. Wake up and ask the question rather than hiding/hoping it isn't true.

Ha ha. Phone alloa. Like they'll tell little ole me the ins and outs of their finances. please inform us where the story is not saying its bull. Just would prefer to hear from official source. Ps is it on rangers tax case yet? {The Ed039's Note - There is no story here)

@7 At least thats sorted out then. 30 days less watever has passed, then its a story worth mentioning. CheltBlue

@10 no denial from the Green PR brigade so far. They are usually quick off the mark when they can deny.

11 Nov 2012 20:54:49
ed am watching the real maddrid game and the rain is bad a no if the game ends it will be replayed but see if a player has been booked will the carry on to the next game ex ronaldo get a yellow card then in the replay he gets booked would he be sent off


SM {The Ed039's Note - If it is postponed the game will continue from where it left off, if all the same players are available they will play and all stats, ie bookings, sending offs and goals etc will count. If they start from the start again then they wont count)

ED can you tell me of any game that was postponed because of weather has been started where they left off ?.I have never heard oif that before
Tam {Ed001's Note - I am sure I have seen some where the rain has been so heavy they had to bring the players in. All the ones I have seen were restarted from the beginning though and the game was abandoned. So cards etc didn't count, as the match was wiped from the records.}

@1 Cheers for that ed
Tam

11 Nov 2012 20:39:03
Walter Smith back at Rangers SPN

11 Nov 2012 20:38:45
Welcome back Walter smith , we've been expecting you......

11 Nov 2012 20:34:50
Ed just been told Walter Smith has decided to join up at Rangers you heard anything? {The Ed039's Note - Yes, returned as non executive director)

11 Nov 2012 17:57:48
Just like to say congrats to St Johnstone on becoming the joint best team in the world
GCUK

Nice one OP ... short,funny and witty. Geo the Ger

By that gauge what did losing to Scotland's worst team make Rangers?

Hear hear, garlar07

Think Killie's recent 2-0 win at Parkhead makes them best club team in world. Saints will just have to settle for joint second.

Every knows that barca have been on the slide for the last 18 months they didnt even reach the final last year

Touche!

Miko x

Since you all agree st Johnston is the best now that your myths about the spl being crap is all wrong right? And that it is something aswome that came away from the cheating, it has to since all of you were watching the game, obsess who?

@5: on the slide? Have you checked the league table? And the CL group table?

OP Methinks it will be a very long time before you meet a big team like ST.Johnstone in a league game.

Someone get the net ready I think I've got a few nibbles lol. At least Miko took it as it was meant lol.
GCUK

I would like to congratulate all the spl teams for making it a fun and exciting league for a change just shows what you can do when you remove the corruption ...

It's a one off - the players were tired after 20% possession on Wednesday.
JMG

Such a 'fun and exciting' league - HA! -, the attendances overall are down this season, where are all these fans who told their Chairmen 'Yes we will come and fill the grounds if you vote No? Are they disguised as seats, further evidence from SKY/ESPN states the average viewing figures for the SPL are much lower than watching a team in the SLF3. Wonder who that could be? Remove the corruption, who are you kidding, it runs our game here - only it's hides itself in the mantra of Sporting Intergrity.

@7: can u repeat that in english?

BigBear

Nice one13 @5 the game wasn't on the telly so how could we be watching but if we were we would have been watching st Johnstone not Celtic remember as rangers fans we support 2 teams rangers and anyone playing Celtic. By the way just to clear this obsession thing up you lot say we are a new team who have only existed for 4 months have no history have never played the mighty Celtic who are by far the best team in the world except from Kilmarnock Dundee united and st Johnstone have never won anything but you lot cannot stop going on about us wishing us more harm and pain and spending several hours a day on this site telling us all that we will be back in admin by Xmas now that is what you call commitment and oh yeah that word you all hate a unhealthy obsession with all things rangers/sevco which ever one you prefer lol

@11. You must be one of the few Celtic fans who think it is fun and exciting in the SPL. Some of your supporters are far from happy with the amount of fans at the game yesterday especially after selling out the game midweek. It can't be that exciting for them. bigbaz

11 Nov 2012 17:33:05
Hearts are looking for £2million from fans to keep them going until summer. What happens in the summer to make this situation go away?

Blueice

Hearts wont survive anybody that buys shares are a fool

11 Nov 2012 17:14:01
Answering Bobby Lennox ... Bobby! Bobby! Bobby! How can you say Celtic are the best club in the world, when they're not even the best in Glasgow?! Languishing in SFL3 is the most successful club in world football. They have amassed a WR 115 domestic trophies, which includes a WR of 54 titles. They have also set numerous World, European and British attendance records over their 140 year history. Their traveling support is second to none, especially when an estimated 200,000 were in Manchester, 2008. They also appeared in 4 European Finals, winning one, in 1972. The mind boggles what could happen if a club, like that, did win the coveted Champions League, or even appeared in a final. There's more to add about this great club, but I believe you now know the true answer ... RANGERS! Geo the Ger

Yep and i am sure Manchester police would love to see them back again.....

Or the club in D3 has won nothing - depends on your point of view. And only Rangers fans are claiming Celtic were the best team in the world lol

Killie st johnstone ross county septic best in the world what a laugh

Surely the best in Glasgow will be the one from Glasgow highest up the league?

@3 Stirling Annan Peterhead Berwick Queen of the South

Barcelona Spartak Benfica

G93

11 Nov 2012 12:31:00
Still the moans persist about a lack of Government help regards what happened to Rangers. Think about what criteria the Government usually require to get involved in that. First off it is generally a bigger company than Rangers where thousands of jobs are affected, not hundreds. Secondly the bulk of Rangers expenditure was coming from some very highly paid individuals, most better paid than any cabinet member. Would there be a desire to help that when the club themselves showed no real inclination towards reducing that level of pay? I doubt it.

On what grounds does the Goverment usually get involved? None of them affected Rangers hugely. Was a change in currency value to blame? No. Were competitors, domestic and foreign under-pricing the club? No. Did a vital resource to the product soar in price? (Oil, coal, whatever.) No.

Pure and simply, Rangers overspent. I have never wanted that type of politics involved in sport. Manchester City being bequeathed a stadium after the Commonwealth Games while Arsenal go trophyless for how long after financing their own new ground. Spurs and West Ham fighting over the Olympic Stadium, pleading poverty to revamp their own grounds or move while paying players £100,000's of pounds a week. It doesn't wash with me at all.

I cant think of one appropriate football team collapse where standard Governmental intervention would be appropriate. Gretna - any club financed by an individual and not ran within its generated income budget is but a heart attack away from potential disaster. The same would apply to Chelsea and Manchester City.

Portsmouth - Mad over-spending, even an FA Cup and Europe the next season never helped them. What did that club have to win to break even? I shudder at the thought.

Leeds and Rangers are the most guilty of all. "We chased the dream" said Peter Ridsdale. Personally I wouldn't leave that guy in charge of an ice cream van.

Sure Rangers debt was down to £18m when Whyte took over but there was still the big tax case to be sorted and by the time he left it had rocketed to £56m again. Remember a bunch of the already well paid Ibrox stars got bumper pay rises when he started, a great policy if selling them on is still to be considered but it didn't quite work out that way did it? All it did was burden the club with a higher expenditure till administration and given that Whyte was sure the CVA would fail, he must also have been aware of TUPE. (Say what you will about him but he has forgot more about ailing companies than most of us will ever know.)

So basically I don't know on what grounds Rangers fans are up in arms about a lack of FA or Government assistance. This wasn't a company faced with an unexpected economic event that caught them cold. The words "you're spending too much, you're spending too much, you're spending too much." Were there for all to see. And as a general rule that doesn't get much sympathy or financial support.

Gaz

Sdm was warned for decades. The relationship between him and the boss at bank of Scotland needs investigating. Why did BoS give him ridiculous sums of money with no hope of being repaid?

FFS @1, did you not notice 4 or 5 years ago banks going under, would think that mr Murray is a very small fish in massive pond. Or was it all rangers fault for the world wide economy collapse?

This is a very fair point. Can't argue with it. Probably one of the best and well worded posts on here.

Cheers 3) dictionary was working overtime :)

Gaz

11 Nov 2012 10:12:05
Just having a moan here Ed and clearly I'm bias in my views but here goes. I'm sick to death of all the paranoia surrounding Celtic and their 2-1 win last week over Barcelona. Sure a very good result but the hysteria in the media is way over the top. Celtic only won the league last season as Rangers began their descent into liquidation, there is no doubt about that, and that is the only trophy they won. They are a mediocre team at best. They are sitting level on points at the top of the SPL with some pretty ordinary results and performances. They beat Barcelona - a good result and may well qualify for the last 16 of the CL. So what? They haven't won anything yet this season and certainly won't progress beyond the last 16 of the CL. We've seen this hysteria before yet all Rangers get in terms of coverage is negativity, no matter how good a team we've got. We won three SPL titles in a row before last season but got little credit. I for one am sick to death of the overhype coverage of Lennon and Celtic. Achieve what Walter Smith did and maybe you can start to crow. Footnote - Gers' youngsters are looking better every week, so I think we are on the way back, though it will take three or four years. WATP.

Celtics journey into the champions league has earned them £22m to date, as well as £100K for every SPL club.
Forgive them if the league hasn't taken top priority so far.
As for last, Celtic clawed back a 15 point deficit to win the league by 20 points, a 35 point swing. A marvellous achievement in anybody's language.

What has celtic got to do with rangers coming back in 3/4 years?what a pointless rant.

What did walter achieve. 9 league titles, countles exits at group stage of champions league and a run to europa league final.

all of this was achieved at a cost of liqudation and the death of rangers, now theres a tribute act performing in division 3.

the celtic board no better than to overspend and financial dope there way to the top of the scottish game.

and with regard to the press the rangers currently get, maybe if they were actually storming the league with the youth players then maybe theyd get more coverage.

without mcculloch this season rangers would be midtable at best (in additon mcculloch can no longer cut it week in week out at the highest level (SPL).

@1, a little picky with your facts for that one. Surely 10 point deduction should have been mentioned!!!!

@3,

You say that, but you don t know for certain what is going on at celtic behind doors.

Walter won 9 league titles ?? did he buy out the rights to the ones souness won as part of the asset sale ??

@6 If you want to include titles when he was assistant to Souness Walters record would be 12.

#1 - 22m to date ? I doubt you got this figure from Celtic - I look forward to seeing it in the accounts - 22m to date ? Your biggest crowd to date was 55000 and the 3 match package was the cheapest you've ever charged, ITV won't show your games and your put on a website 4 to allow other bigger games on the other channels- think of a number, double it and add on a couple of mil ....... Granted you have done brilliantly but why do you have to waste it with this nonsense ?

@ 7 i dont i want you to stick to the facts in that walter as manager didnt win 9 in a row and neither combined won 12 in a row either

@8: you do realise that 55,000 is the capacity on CL nights?

11 Nov 2012 00:24:45
Yet another good day at ibrox....team looked strong (opposition granted) still dont like two sitting midfielders....need a spark or a danger man to create in the centre....just thinking its a position we are needing someone.... both midfielders kept dropping in next to the cb and looking for the ball in that area..push up and go create....both cb can pass the ball.

11 Nov 2012 10:11:42
After all the ex bears comments on here about Celtic's "negative" tactics against Barcelona ( read that again BARCELONA) yet your esteemed manager still plays 2 sitting midfielders in the 3rd Division (read that again THIRD DIVISION) and at home.
All season your team has been negative in away matches in 3rd division. I take it you are all happy with these tactics against mighty part time/amateur teams in 3rd Division?
One final point after the awe inspiring mural by the Green Brigade on Wednesday I see some of your fans attempted a poor imitation yesterday, why not ask GB for some help? lol Timalloy

Not worth dissecting mate. Peterhead are fifth bottom in the bottom tier of British fitbaw.

11 Nov 2012 23:38:30
@1...

Totally missed the point...as a rangers fan i want to see us go and attack teams and as a direct result we need something creative in the cm position...we are not trying to compare rangers to celtic....its a pointless effort....we are playing negative tactics as are celtic...even my wife asked why celtic had that many players on the park (she is not a football fan) neither is anyone who thinks your tactics were great on wed....the result was great....but the performance was rotten....if you went toe to tie with them and got that result i would be signing your praises...unfortunately you sat behind the ball and tried to stop them shooting!! I hope you qualify for the next round just to see how much a mockery you make of the spl by catching up hibs after xmas while playing in euope but to be fair... a monkey could manage a team with celtic resources and win the most uncompetative league in history....in fact one is and is struggling to win it...check the reresults yea

@3 Is that last comment an admittance that SFL3 is too challenging for The Rangers? When we lost, it didnt matter how long we held out for, we still lost, then we win, we had no possession and it was too defensive? And I think Aberdeen Hibs Dundee United are able to provide more competition to Celtic that Annan Stirling Peterhead can to The Rangers, just look at the results yea

G93

11 Nov 2012 00:11:30
Talking about the youngsters being the way forward for Scottish football, by all parties in Scottish set up including the Goverment yet they abolished the second team setup 2 years ago. Why? I can only think that ITFC Ross County, Aberdeen and Celtic were the only teams who seemed to want to keep this going when it happened so all the bigger clubs including ourselves need to take a look at themselves. We do a lot of talking when it come to encouraging youngsters on but that all it is talk. If we had done this earlier the Scottish game would be in a better state now, even using young foreign players to play alongside our boys can only bring a better class of football
Because they started there coaching earlier and at clubs with better coaching systems.
Our football is crying out for change that must start at the bottom. The buck stops at the top. We are in a good position where we are let's do it.
Bobby

Are you talking about the reserve league? Most teams didnt have enough players to make up their first team nevermind their second team. Aswell as the financial cost it simply was no longer viable

One of my biggest grouses this year is the fact that Rangers didn't bother putting up a team for the new Scottish Under 20s League.

I can only imagine this was a cost cutting exercise but surely it's an utterly false economy.

BARNEY BEAR

For the most part youth coaching in Scotland isn't good, that includes Rangers. If your son is a talented youth and an EPL side want him, he'll learn more down there and get better coached than up here. We need international youth training staff not former SPL players passing on how they got trained 25 years ago.

Is there still a rangers ladies team?