Rangers Banter Archive October 11 2012

11 Oct 2012 22:53:45
To the comments b4 me point.1 he aims to have us on the stock market by the end of the year point 2 transfer embargo does not stop us buying nd signing under 18s

What percentage of the proposed 20 million quid would you foresee being spent on under 18s to bolster the squad?

Lol you planning on spending vast sums on under 18's!

Reality check.

It's quite extraordinary that there's people trying to justify what is clearly lies by Green.

11 Oct 2012 21:58:49
Alright bears and ed, wondering if any of use could help me out, im thinking of buying my first season ticket next season, im 17 next friday and im from N.I anyone know the best way of getting one when i live over here, i usually get to about 10 games a season and i want to go as often as i can, or every week, any answers will be appreciated thanks LeJonWATP

Season ticket for where mate?

OP You'll probably find a lot up for grabs on e-bay pretty soon.

Cheers mate big shout out to the ibrox crew

11 Oct 2012 20:50:58
Ed, have you heard anything mate on Alasdair Johnston's dossier to the fraud squad and his global media comments stating he firmly believed the sale of Rangers to Craig Whyte was corrupt and illegal? It's now 4 months since he handed that dossier over. {Ed039's Note - I have not heard a thing mate)

Should BDO not get a copy of that?

Ed, Dave King went massive in the press and TV saying he was sueing David Murray for £25m. Is this still going ahead? {Ed039's Note - I dont think so, if he is, he is keeping it very quiet. What are the chances of him actually getting anything in cash money from SDM these days?)

11 Oct 2012 20:24:08
My God what a shower we are by judging the majority of posts.
Not so long ago we were shouting for someone to save us anyone to save us-CG and co arrived and did just that.
We then demanded that we should know what shoe size he was and what waist size were his backers.
We then up the anti and shout that he should sell to True Rangers Men!-He then announces a share issue in our club giving fans and all comers the chance to invest and have some infleunce-Shock horror there must be a hidden agenda he is delivering excactly what he said he would deliver!
Everyone knows that if you want to keep moving forward with any business you need to invest and you need to spend.
When the time comes to re-invest in the playing side surely it would make sense to have real capital ready that does not put the club into debt?
Does everybody not maintain their property and assesets to keep them in order and maintain value?
Would it not be exciting to see New capital projects taking place in and around Ibrox?
We have been progamed over the last year or so to expect disappointment and bad news stories and to be wary of any good news!
However if we want to stagnate then down with investment dont buy tops and dont go to matches!
If we want to be back to where we belong we need to invest we need to buy tops and we need to sell out games but further we need to back anyone trying to make money for Rangers now and for Rangers future. East Bear.

"" He is delivering exactly what he said he would deliver""

The problem is he has told about 20 lies. Celtic fans come in here and list them, then we all remember them.

He also stated he and his consortium would make their profit from a share issue. And that's exactly what is being rolled out.

If what you say is correct why the rush? Why not disclose accounts? Consortium people share holdings and title deeds to assets?

Why is it all murky darkness and lies?

I'm tired of it all, not one penny. My family deserve s good Christmas, times are tough enough.

Op, thank goodness some common sense, I was beginning to think that there was nobody who understands the position.
When we were for sale the fans demanded that no one man should own the club and that the club belongs to the fans. Green has delivered what he promised.
And yet those that were so anxious to own it seem now to be using any excuse not to buy shares. Those that were in tears in case our club would not survive now have the chance to make sure we will carry on.
All the nonsense from Celtic supporters with numerous conspiracy theories seems to be working. Why do we believe these people. Why don't we give the guy that has saved us a chance. We really are as fans full of hot air. We shout and bawl and yet won't put our hands in our pockets. It is pretty pathetic, we can sit back and snipe at Green but just remember without him we would be finished, if he makes a profit, good on him. That's what business is about and frankly had Mr Murray understood this one rule of business we would not be in the mess we are.
I am buying shares, I am buying them for my son, I am buying them for my daughter. I don't expect to ever make money from them, I don't care, I want to support my club, because if we don't we may find ourselves in trouble again.

1) what lies?

He said he thought HMRC would accept a CVA. He never said a deal had been done, thay may have been the headline but was not what he said.

He said he hoped to attract investors, that suddenly changed in the eyes of some to we have people lining up to invest.

He did get £5.5m in investment which is more than Kennedy, Smith, McColl could put in. He did say he would have a share issue, he is. Why is everybody hammering him if he makes a profit, he is a business man that's his job. Would you rather we made a loss?

There's not enough money out here with fans to operate the club successfully with expensive players and the huge overheads of a massive Rangers AND deliver a profit for Green and his consortium.

There needs to be huge overhead cuts and the profits notions for anybody needs to go also. Also success on the pitch needs to start. 1-0 over Forres Mechanics ffs. We easily forget how lucky we've recently been also.

@3 Believe he said he had been TOLD a CVA would be accepted,he SAID he has 20 millionaire's ready to invest. Also believe the investment is a LOAN. Who are you talking about when you say " would you rather WE made a loss " ?
Tam

11 Oct 2012 18:56:27
Just watching the news there.Reporter points out that no new players before Jan,2014.Also stadium adequate for 'a division 3 club' so money must be for the running of the club.Does that not say it all?

11 Oct 2012 20:04:54
As it seems to be a day for jokes, here is mine.Well your Mr Green started it.....

Despite all the controversy over the new Wonga
sponsorship of newcastle united, their manager
Alan Pardew has told all the players to go on the pitch and give it their usual 4,195% LOL Timalloy

Green quote in dr

"When we were put into the Third Division I should probably have made 25% of the staff redundant but we haven't done that," the former Sheffield United chief executive said.


How could you tupe does not allow this - without major redundancy costs ???

Forbes said packages were massive....

so no easy way out. huge salary bills to pay.

Oh my god, who cares what Forbes says, he is talking about when they looked at the deal, not now. He says have to be dramatic savings made, well they have been.

We may moan that lost players for nothing or next to nothing but that also wiped £24m from wages.

OP - I think the reporter was having a wee dig at Rangers by referring to the Div 3 status.
Apart from Hampden it is the only div 3 stadium that can hold the level of support that is turning up. In fact it is one of three stadiums in scottish football that can hold the level of support that is turning up.
From all the comments about rust and asbestos and the place falling apart, I think there are areas that can be improved.
But of course a tv reporter will defo know better. {Ed039's Note -

3). what huge savings.... making 25% of employes redundancy is a huge saving in future salaries but costs money upfront to do........

8 players gone... yup thats spme money, but how many employees remain, if most and 4 months ago those employees cost too much and no redundancy and no way to lower those salaries (tupe!) then they still massive!,,,,,, and no real change

forbes was right about the costs 4 months ago and most of that cost not changed, new players came in and they have salaries to add to the existing costs....

simple maths...... situation is still similar, but income massively down, salaries only maginally down, so fanancial situaion has got worse...% on salaries probably increase from bad to terminal......

11 Oct 2012 18:26:54
Charles Green has just been on STV News giving an interview.

He was asked what was meant that part of the money raised through the share issue would be used for "additional working capital".

Green got a bit flustered and floundered with his response, ending up saying that it was not going to be used to pay the debts of Oldco.

Oh dear ..........

I'm afarid that this is not a satisfactory answer.

You were asked a clear question Mr Green and you failed to provide a clear answer.

Rangers supporters know any monies raised in the share issue will not go to pay the debts of Oldco.

This response is worrying, very, very worrying. This was a perfect opportunity to expplain what the money raised would be used for and you blew it big time.

This is not good enough.

Ticketus?? Craig Whyte??...........hello? Anyone home??

..What about ticketus and craig whyte?....

The reason given by CGreen regarding Additional working capital..is standard wording for share issues, but in relation to AIM companies share issues, it is often used when the corporate entity is technically insolvent and more cash is needed. As others have pointed out the other two reasons given are implausible (squad strengthening and stadium).

It should be noted that while CG is under a director obligation to promote the interest of the company (not the club) he is not working under the rules of AIM, and has no guarantee that his proposal will be accepted by the AIM market which is trying to clean up its membership.

His forecasts for revenue and cashflow will have to be reviewed and agreed by an independent Nominated Advisor. It would probably show the clubs revenue as if it was promoted over successive seasons. But the share prospectus should also highlight there maybe substantial risk that this may not happen.

So wait and see what the proposal says. The cost of making such a share issue will cost around £0.5m whether it happens or not. That's a big chunk to front. It will take some months so CG will know by then whether Ally is on track for promotion.

Then CG can decide to go ahead or not. Otherwise I predict there is some cash issue looming. {Ed001's Note - I am struggling to understand how the stadium is implausible? Clearly it is in desperate need of a refurbishment, which would require money.}

Where did you get idea that this will pay debts of oldco. Nonsense, rubbish, impossible. Oldco gone, new owners, no HMRC, no Ticketus, No whyte and his Bentley. Finished, no more.

Newco need money to run club, it's called working capital. They want to buy property next door, need money to fit it out, need money for day to day running. Ibrox costs a lot to run, Murray Park costs £1.4m each year to run.

To number 4. If a share issue is used to fund day to day running - then that is it, curtains. You can not go cash calling on share holders every year. There is no revenue stream to support an operation the size of Rangers. This share issue will either: keep Rangers limping along or fund CG and his mystery boys departure. end of.

Ed001 there is £12 million in season tickets to cover stadium upkeep...why does green need share issue to update the only class 1 uefa stadium in scotland.... ?

does not add up... unless there is shortfall already, just 8 weeks into the season when lots of money in the bank........ {Ed001's Note - or if they only allow the club to break even, extra input would be needed for improvements.}

@4. A share issue for working capital is not a disaster, but it is worrying. If an organisation needs a share issue to continue running then does that mean it will be a regular thing (just surmising, but I think the club is being run outwith its means based on income streams available to them). Any time working capital is needed have a share issue?
An English club (can't remember which one) had numerous shares issues to the point that the shares were diluted and were as worthless as the Deutch Mark in the 30's as the FT put it.
Al

@6. I know that you were only trying to have a dig at your city neighbours with your "only class 1 uefa stadium in Scotland" statement, but Uefa Class 1 is the lowest grade and 4 the highest. Plus I think that Hampden is also Class 4.
Al

11 Oct 2012 15:46:26
Can someone help me out with this, or am I being dim.It is reported that CG paid 2.00 pound to CW for Rangers and its assets. Then CG loaned his new company or club 5.5 million to operate. How can this have been allowed by the administrators Duff and Phelps? They were admistering the wind up of a company and its assets that were up to 150 million in debt, including 90 million owed to HMRC. How could they allow it and its assets be sold for 2.00 (even 5.5 million would have been well below market value). Surely the role of the administrator is to ascertain the level of debt and sell assets to pay back creditors? Which makes me think, what are the assets that Charles Green owns? Does he really own Ibrox and Murray Park? Or is there a lot more behind the scenes. Have Duff and Phelps acted in a proper fashion? If they are found not to have done then trouble ahead. Really fed up with this.

You're a little confused here.

Charles Green offered Craig Whyte £2 to purchase the shares of Oldco and which bwould have given him an 85.3% shareholding in Oldco. This required a CVA to be accepted by Oldco's Creditors and Charles Green was going to put £8.5m into Oldco as a loan to pay of the creditors. The CVA was rejected by the Creditors and as a result Oldco are due to be liquidated on 12 October 2012. As such Charles Green could not proceed with the purchase of Oldco.

Green set up a new company "Newco" and Newco paid the administrators £5.5m for the assets of Oldco, which included £1.5m for Ibrox, Murray Park, the Albion and other property assets. Also included was £2.5m was the players contracts.

However, the point you make is credible and the question does arise as to how all the property assets could be sold for only £1.5m.

This is something BDO, the Liquidators will certainy look into when they are appointed tomorrow.

If a gratuitous alienation is found to have taken place (in this case, assets deliberately sold at under value by a company in an insolvency event) then the deal by Green to purchase the assets could be ruled invalid.

Role of administrators is to get most money for creditors. end of.

D&P only appear to have looked at selling as a going concern, not firesale.

Liquidators (and this occurs 12th october) job it to review administrators action, and if they deficient liquidators can unravel deal.

But its possible to sellon, newco, if done quickly, to avoid the reach of liquidators, and hence original creditors.

time will tell.

Green paid CW the £2 if a CVA was accepted. It was not, so his group paid D & P the £5.5 m for the assets, namely Ibrox, Murray Park , players contracts etc. This was accepted because it was the best offer available. I would remind you that at the time the thought was that we would be in SPL. It is unlikely that any offer now would even come near that figure.
Whilst the assets were in the accounts at over £100m, they are only worth what somebody will pay, that was £5.5m.
It is absolutely clear that Green & Co own the assets, because if you paid £5.5m for anything you get the deeds, he would not be there if he paid £5.5m for nothing.
There are many out there who either question this (bomber), and plenty who want to cause trouble by questioning this. It is a stupid and crass attempt to muddy the waters. Unfortunately there are people who believe this and therefore the muck stirrers have won. Perhaps if people thought about the logic in these spurious claims rather than believing what they read as FACTS, the scaremongering would stop.

11 Oct 2012 18:25:28
Rangers owe 90 Million to HMRC? - Did not know you had already given out you verdict m'lud, must have missed it.

Thanks for that Number 1. Bit clearer for me now. But still a bleeding mess. 1.5 million for Ibrox and Murray Park?? What is all that about? You can buy a 2 bed flat in Kensington for 1.5 million! or a 51, 000 seater stadium and a huge training facility! Hhhhhm. scratching head.

Creditors refused the penny in pound CVA and knew £100m in assets were sitting there. But they were robbed of those assets.
The club deck guys paid £8.5m for their seats and green got the whole show for £1.5m.
Somebody should go to prison for this.

Sorry Number 4. It is a fact. do some searching (try BBC) the figure is 94 million to HMRC. Acknowledged and signed off by Duff & Phelps. Are you another who has buried his head in the sand.

Number 4. Just go here. Rangers final tax bill = £94 million. Thank you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-19786824

To 4 The verdict has already been given you did miss it Rangers are currently appealing the verdict ruling due this month apparently

4 & 7 - wish you would stop this. It's just not true. D & p signed of a potential £94m if case is lost. The verdict has not been announced yet. Just taking bits to suit your argument but not factual.

@7 What is the breakdown of the £94m? I think you will find it is made up of the IT and NI witheld by Whyte and the HMRC bill which the FTT will decide upon, soon.

11 Oct 2012 21:24:47
@6

£100million in assets ? All company holdings have an inflated paper value, however at the end of the day they are only worth what someone is prepared to pay.

£8.5 million club deck money would not be there if Green had not invested, so this is an unfair arguement.

11 Oct 2012 15:27:28
The Celtic Football Club are cleared of any wrongdoing in displaying the zombie banner.

Laughing at zombies is not a crime!

Hallowen party, everyone to dress uo as zombies!!!!

Hail hail

I dont think the whole zombie thing was the issue. It was the sick paramilitary sniper lookalike!

Snail Snail

Well what a surprise (NOT). It must have been Norwich supporters who took the banner into their ground and displayed it.

Most of scotland dont need any make up lol

It was a cartoon. Yes the joke was on Rangers. Live with it. Most found it funny only rangers people didn't. Shooting zombies is a huge part of modern culture. Computer games, tv serials, movies, ..... Everyone knows you can only put down a zombie with a head shot.
Definitely no case to answer.

11 Oct 2012 18:17:01
dress up as zombies?? surely a celtic fan like yourself has been to parkhead cross and knows theres no need to use the words dress up!
FauldsRFC

Snail snail.....what makes you think it was a paramilitary sniper lookalike?perhaps you have seen enough paramilitary flags being sold outside ibrox.maybe the sick paramilitary sniper lookalike was copied from a british army recruitment advertisement.
no zombies where harmed during the making of this banner.

Fauldsrfc Lot of Rangaers people round about Parkhead cross so you could be right
Tam

11 Oct 2012 14:51:54
Is this another craig whyte, a chancer
who cannot get our club past the 6 month
mark?
We must await the outcome of all pending
cases old and new. And a full declaration
of current finances. And who owns what.

WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE!

Make him wait, then we will see all, this
is not the TIME for a share issue!

STV website:

""No financial information about The Rangers Football Club Limited, formerly Sevco Scotland Limited, has been lodged with Companies House or made publicly available, while the make-up of the consortium, as well as what percentage of the company is owned by each party, has not been established.""

Enough said. Another spiv fronting for foreign guys who couldn't possibly front themselves.

11 Oct 2012 17:10:58
Do you know for FACT that Charles Green is no good?
You would rather see your Club suffer than get over
your own scepticism? Given all the recent high profile publicity Whyte received i think Green would be either very very clever or very very stupid to pull the wool once more. RTID

Just read Charles Green's words of wisdom on that website.

"Rangers is debt-free and a huge club with enormous support and a 140 year track record of success on the domestic and international arenas. Our aim is to return the club to its glory days whilst ensuring it is run efficiently and profitably."

"The debts of the club need to be removed, we need to get finance into the club and I need to list the club on an appropriate exchange."

Can somebody please explain to me how if we're debt free that the debts of the club need to be removed?

BARNEY BEAR

@2 Do you not remember the lie's he has been caught telling. The history is gone,HMRC have told me a CVA will be accepted, I have a meeting with Uefa.Oh and by the way the history is still there. Face up to it he's only telling you's what you want to hear.
Tam

11 Oct 2012 13:39:13
Not going for this rubbiosh with the share offering coming so soon. What is the real problem? Why is Charles Green offering the fans a chance to "invest"? Well, simples, it is because he has no money. We have done our bit, forwarded this guy our 300.00 in advance season ticket money. As far as I am concerned I have given Rangers more Money than Charles Green has! But the Charlatan wants more to "invest". Aye, Right.

Just had a wee look at the Financial Times online to see what experts with no agenda think about the proposed share issue.

They are pretty scathing, i.e

'Also worth noting, from an investor perspective, is the fact that Rangers Football Club Ltd has no corporate history whatsoever. The club may have been founded in 1872 but the company it has hermit-crabbed into has only existed since May and has never published a single page of accounts.'

No serious investor is going to touch this with a bargepole. Only Rangers die-hards who are far less sceptical than me will. I genuinely hope they don't regret it.

BARNEY BEAR

What's he hoping for? Maybe 20,000 fans investing £1k each. Can't see this issue attracting any institutional money.

I'd be looking for a decent dividend (which is unlikely). About 8%, which means paying out £1.6m per year to shareholders. Profit will need to be above this level to sustain that level of dividend. How can Rangers make £2m profit?

11 Oct 2012 13:13:32
Does Ally need any subs for saturday. Iam being serious here, i am off work and have nothing to do.

Youd be better giving Craig Levein a shout then.

Op well go into subway and get yourself a 6 inch PMT italian herb bread toasted and a fanta for 3 quid ,just remember your a 48 inch waist ,are you taking your pal tam cowan ? lol doug t.s.o

I guite good i was captain of gilford crusaders

11 Oct 2012 11:38:23
Ed Green on BBC sport website regarding shares on AIM stock exchange. Green says money goes to three areas:
1) buy players
2) improve facilities
3) working capital

I'm worried because we cannot buy players for a year. Improving Ibrox could and should wait a year also and I'm very concerned about the working capital issue, if we're selling shares to pay operating expenses; wages, electricity, etc.... Then we're doomed. I'm only a small businessman but the economics are the same.
Green needs to declare the priority one two and three and how many million for the £20m to each and when.
Thanks Ed.

The money is going to his investors (high risk/ high reward) who want their return) IPOs are to reward initial investors/ consortiums.

11 Oct 2012 09:12:39
Does anyone else think its fishy that Mr Green is saying one of the reasons for share issue is to buy players? (cant sign anyone for 15 months)

That's not entirely true as come 1st September Rangers will be able to sign free agents and there are always plenty of them these days

Simple question for all fans.... how much money does green have ... personally.

been chairman of many companies whomfloated for millions in past, now did he make money or not.

if he rich, then ask youself why he want investment now from fans, if he poor also ask same question.

easy. also ask who actually owns ibrox.

Does that mean Green wants the share issue to buy players for free?

Mikey Bhoy

No idea about Green's wealth. The real money men behind him like Arif Masood Navqi certainly have plenty - for example a six million charity donation to Palestine recently.

Anyway I'm less charitable myself so no £500 donation from me to Mr Navqi & co I'm afraid.

BARNEY BEAR

I really do feel for my fellow scotsmen(women) if they are taken in by
this charlatan (think the word was coined
specially for him).Look closer at his history
prior to coming to Glasgow-director of 38
companies (14 of which dissolved) History of
a serial robber? {Ed039's Note - Director does not mean he had anything to do with day to day running, it does not mean he ran all these companies into the ground. He may have had a shareholding in them but I do take your point)

Ed director means directing the board and the business on a day to day basis i think your getting mixed up with a non director shareholder who doesnt get involved {Ed001's Note - not if the director is a non-executive director it doesn't.}

Arid Masood Navqi and Imran Ahmed and the Indonesian Muslim guy with two names (ffs who has two names? And why?) are not billionaire philanthropists like Craig whyte lol... They shark profits from Rangers type situations. Rangers fans have to stump up for these Muslim guys expected profits and to cover the operating costs of a duff club with poor on field performances.
The fans clearly don't have the cash to do both. This particular venture is doomed.

Ed dermot desmond is a none executive director of celtic are you trying to say hes not hands on ?? {Ed001's Note - did I say that? No. So stop trying to be a smart arse. I pointed out that you were wrong, that is not what the term means, end of. What Dermot Desmond does or doesn't do is neither here nor there. There are lots of non-directors who are actually running companies, do you want to include those as well?}

Ed read my point i said your getting mixed up with ( non directors) the op said directors ... directors make up the board of directors who run the club or business ...what are you on about non directors running businesses ?? non execs can run businesses as directors of the board name one person that runs a company that is not on the board of directors ?? {Ed001's Note - plenty of people do, I could name a large number of them, only I would get them into trouble as they are all disqualified for doing so and in name are not running the business. It happens all over the world.}

Ed whos being the smart arse now ?? fair enough then not trying to piss you off just debating well leave it at that {Ed001's Note - sorry, I am probably unfairly assuming as 99% of posts replying to anything we say are from smart arses just trying to be bitchy. The point does stand though, they are just titles, meaningless really in many cases.}

11 Oct 2012 08:11:10
Looks like more lies from Green. Did he not say that he was only selling shares to fans? Well he has just stated (see BBC) that most of the shares will go to Institutional Investors. {Ed039's Note - Did he not say 40% to fans? I thought I read that somewhere)

He did say he would sell 40% of his shares to raise 20 million, i believe. He then said when he met the Ulster fans that he would sell these shares to fans of Rangers only. But now he states he is raising the 20 million from institutional investors and the fans (or public). So the fans wont own anywhere near 40% of the club. Flotations on this market are generally difficult for the public (fans) to buy anyhow. As if its a good thing the institutional investors get first dibs and the public get stuffed. If ids a dud then the public get the shares and are gubbed. Be very wary.

Lada you have to be honest with yourselfs, this stinks to the high heavens. The lies, the contradictions, the timing, the rush he appears to be in. If it were a normal investment opportunity and not Rangers, you would stay clear and look elsewhere. Even taking away the fact you know its a non profitable investment, and just for the love of the club. Tread carefully bears.

Wasn't he suppose to give a discount to fans who had previously held shares in oldco and lost out financially?

Poster 3. yep. discounts to the 26,000 Old Rangers shareholders who lost out. that is another strange thing he said. If you float the shares, you float the shares at a set price. You can not buck the market by offering certain people discounts in a public share flotation. CG seems to be a daftie who will say anything at anytime.

11 Oct 2012 07:41:30
Rangers football club has formally announced that it intends to float its shares on the AIM market in London.

The club said it intended to raise up to £20m through an institutional investor placing and limited public offering.

Rangers said the funds raised would be used to strengthen the player squad, improve facilities and provide additional working capital.

Fans wanting to invest have been invited to register their interest.

Could this be ticketus getting their share of the club ed? {Ed039's Note - Who knows, there are plenty of rumours/theories, alot of them believable, some not so)

'Rangers said the funds raised would be used to strengthen the player squad...'

Right guys, who do you think we should sign in the January transfer window?

Oh! Wait a minute...

11 Oct 2012 03:13:34
Haha we are in div 3 and Celtic fans are even more obsessed with us , how many gers fans have watched any of the so called top scottish spl games not me....... Or in fact give two monkeys about Celtic not me ......... They keep saying we are an experienced side etc lol only players who got any games was McCulloch /Wallace Last season
Alexander = back up
Greek guy = released
Faure = released from Lyon with no games for them
Cibri = never heard of him
Wallace
McKay=18
Aird = 17
Mccleod =18
Crawford = 18
Shields = injured
Black = injured / rotten
McCulloch
Little = injured
Kyle = banned
Sandasa = injured
Templeton = injured
Hutton = not given enough due to black
Oh who have I missed that's rite youngsters I haven't even heard of? That's 18 first team players there so stop being obsessed with us
Gers1975

Interesting that you mention Celtic twice in the first two lines of your post.....let me explain irony to you.... {Ed039's Note - Whats ironic about it? Do you not mean hypocritical?)

Your playing division 3 mate, they are part-timers.

Alexander = played & won cup finals
Agyriou = 3 diff top flight clubs in greece
Faure = 21 now. Represented france at u17, u18, u19, u20 levels
Cribari = 13 years in Serie A
Wallace = Rangers most valuable player
Shiels = Injured but been just ok
Black = Injured / Rotten
McCulloch = Swan diver
Little = Broken Left Kettle
Kyle = Experienced but mince
Sandaza = No comment needed
Templeton = Good winger, no caps
Kyle Hutton = Manager should have kept him in the team after Motherwell
Ross Perry = Hardly a kid anymore
Stella = "Not fit"

Darren Cole = Another one who the manager wont give a game even though he's "highly rated"

Fraser Aird
McKay
Mitchell
Crawford
Kai Naismith
Chris Hegarty
S Gallacher sub gk


Thats 23 players and enough to beat Stirling Albion. {Ed039's Note - Absoloutlry)

Its dramatic irony Ed...The OP is stating something they believe to be true but I know different. "Or in fact give two monkeys about Celtic not me"....Its ironic because He does give two monkeys about Celtic. However you are also correct is is also total hypocrisy. But then i'm sure you already knew that hypocrisy was a subset of irony! {Ed039's Note - Mrs Robertson?? .......... I thought my old English teacher was dead lol)

I knew you weren't paying attention!
Mrs Robertson
a.k.a poster no.1 & 3

For me Ally's signing policy in the summer has now came back to haunt him.

Instead of making 1 or 2 marquee signings like Templeton and Shields and searching the lower leagues for tried and tested players at that level he goes and brings in Black, Sandaza, Kyle, Cribari, Faure, Agyriou and Stella. I mean he gave Kyle a 1 year deal?! For a fraction of Kyle's wage we could have had Rory McAllister, a proven goalscorer at this level. With the likes of Hutton, Wallace, Perry, Alexander, Little, McCulloch, Mitchell, Cole and Hemmings all sticking about and youngsters like Aird, McKay, McLeod, Crawford and Naismith all coming through i would have thought Templeton, Shields and half a dozen tried and tested players at lower league level would have been sufficient to see us up until SFL1. Who know we might have even unearthed a few wee gems. For me, Ally must go!!!
J1985