Rangers Banter Archive September 11 2011

 

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11 Sep 2011 22:51:43
U r obviously clueless, the tax bill is not Jst tht few million. The main tax case is a separate issue n cud cost us upto forty million. Has ur head bn up ur arse for the past year?
-----------------------------------------------------re; last i checked it was only players wages that was not taxed so how can we owe "forty million" so ur tell me players wages from 1999 to 2002 was over 100 mill lol whos clueless now ? unless we pay more tax than they got payed lol we owe 4.2 mill shut up or put up m8 go bk to ur own page plz if we in such a bad way why hasint ssn said any thing about it ?

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Martin Bain states in his court papers that if Rangers lose the HMRC case they will owe £49m, made up of the amount owed plus fines.

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Its in the public domain matey 35m plus interest and penalties.
instead of calculating on the back of your fag packet go see your councellor

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Coz if sky sports news doesn't say it it can't b true, get a grip. It's bn well documented tht the smaller bill is a separate issue n the bigger bill cud cost us tens of millions. Read it again, can u still nt get it into ur head? No?

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Yet again, a poster who can't or won't see the truth accuses others who do know the truth of supporting another team. How blinkered can you get?!

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11 Sep 2011 22:31:58
Fellow Bears

If Mr Whyte is so sure of winning the tax case ...the biggie! Why would he have put in place is get out of jail stategy?
He would walk away with Catering Franchise monies and Season Book monies (4 years) for his troubles CIRCA 50M.
Rangers in Admin would need huge investment which is not viable in current climate........people that have made serious money are not in the business of letting their hearts rule their heads....any investment needs to make business sense!
So it seems all those dafties that want to rob their bairns banks are the only future around.
Perhaps if the season book was on offer at say £2,500. the problem is solved but how many will agree to that course?????????

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Mr whyte

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11 Sep 2011 22:34:16
The newish midfielder name is Fraser aird he is 17 we got him fae psg training camp in Canada the same place where our new 16 striker

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11 Sep 2011 22:28:43
Ed003, I dont know whether to be flattered or not,
but "Timalloy" at 22.14 is not me. come on bears that was an infantile attempt to get me into trouble.
Ed003, I have started putting a tag in my email address. I like banter, but please dont stoop to these depths of trying to imitate someone to get them into trouble. hail hail Timalloy (ps when have i ever said "yous" ha ha {Ed003's Note - Wow! A Gers fan wanting to be you }

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Cheers Ed003, I can get myself into enough trouble with the bears on here, without someone trying to give me a helping hand ha ha The one and only Timalloy (who never says "yous")

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Well at least he used a name. lol

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11 sep 2011 22:11:14
how many games are we going to have to sit through s**ttaker and his shocking defending this guy is a bomb scare ally please please stop it watch the videos this guy is a riot

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11 Sep 2011 22:04:51
Timalloy. Are you our Ed now? lol {Ed003's Note - I'm the Ed for everyone, apart from P.N.E. mind }

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11 Sep 2011 21:51:38
Evening Ed003, Rangers fans are you not a wee bit worried that all your club are worried about is these stories being made public, no body from Rangers is DENYING them, all they are trying to do is keep journalists from telling the facts.
Mr Whyte is a billionaire, so everybody tell us, so Mr Whyte pay your bills and run the club properly and tall the fans who are putting millions into Rangers the truth. Timalloy {Ed003's Note - No worries at all about my club Timalloy,thanks for asking though, (just covering here tonight.) )

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Timalloy what time is next Sundays candle lit vigil for your team getting pumped.

Oranjeboom

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11 Sep 2011 21:50:37
I know he only got 15 mins but McKay looks very direct and forward thinking.. Had my doubts but he put more in 15 that ortiz did the whole time he was on the pitch

always looking to get forward and in behind to support strikers... also coming in to the box when attacks were from the right.

Looks good, hope he starts Old Firm

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He did not get 15mins he got 7mins & on the ortiz bashing leave me out at least when he crosses a ball he can lift it off the ground not like wylde who doesn't even look where he is puting it & also I have yet 2 see ortiz give the ball away granted he is not going 2 take on 10 men & stick it in the pokey but I will point this out the spanish season finished a month after ours so ortiz has only had a few weeks break & has had 2 adapt 2 a whole new way of playing football and living in a new country so give the guy a break
WATP 70

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11 Sep 2011 21:49:30
Next weeks games a big one lads. Imagine we go out and pump this mob which personally I think we will.

We are the people

Oranjeboom

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11 Sep 2011 21:07:05
Confidential documents leaked from a law firm.
Lol you couldn't make it up.
Tis them that will be out of business before the years out.

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Tax.tax.tax.tax.tax.tax.tax.tax...........what about football....are we all not footie followers?....try and match us on the pitch bhouys..........lol..lol..

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Ed...went and got a cracking tattoo today..the rangers crest emblazoned o my fore arm..i feel 12 feet tall now {Ed003's Note - good for you,did it hurt? )

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Guys..from this moment on all the plague from park head are now branded...THE TAXMAN LOYAL........its official

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The tatt didnt hurt m8..i feel so proud

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60 quid ed..east belfast...pity we cant post pics here the ed.. {Ed003's Note - That's a good price )

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Tattoo guy, er you forgot to pay the VAT on your rangers crest ha ha

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Anyone else think geordio samaras should recieive a stnding ovation when he trots out next sunday?

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F****** hell ed..if the inland rev started a team up..parkhead would be empty..lol

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Celtic keeping geordie was better than us getting goodwilie

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11 Sep 2011 20:20:22
Has everyone here lost the plot? It took Whyte months to finally secure the club due to the extra period of due diligence that was served and described as being essential due to the taxation issues.
He sought legal advise as this is a legal and not a footballing matter and the response he had after hiring a whole firm of top brass from London was that Rangers were likely to WIN their case against the HMRC or would only be subject to paying a minimal portion of the £30m.
Whyte then thought that as the squad had finished the season on a high, we started the season earlier and were seeded for the draw that we could qualify for Champions League with what we had and then I have no doubt that we would be spending around £10m.
The reason I say this is due to the bids of £2m we were apparently making for Juhanz and Cuellar and Goodwillie etc then when we were eliminated suddenly we were waiting till Januray for Carlos Cuellar and never even signed a striker. (I know we made plenty of derisory bids in this period but there were also confirmed £2m bids for Cuellar and Juhans and eventually Goodwillie)
He payed a few quid to keep our better players which is better than selling someone like Davis for £3m then trying to buy a replacement for same fee then HOPING he can settle he REsigned our main assets and kept Jelavic which we wouldn't have if LLoyds were running the show and we had an immediate £2.8 bill to pay to HMRC and even £6.5m was offered.
Whytes waiting till November to see the damage then if we don't get hammered too badly we will buy a couple in January but remember we already had the best squad have lost Bougherra and replaced him with Goian who is at least as good and doesnt want away every other week aswell as Bocanegra and Wallace so defence has improved.
Then Midfield has a couple more options in Bedoya and McKay aswell as the emergence of Wylde and Ness who are at least squad players and Ortiz is not as bad as people would have you believe. 3 assists and 1 goal from 5 starts.
I believe Lafferty is FAR better than he has ever been, we have Naismith who has been improving season by season and the Jellyfish easily the best player in the league and It goes without saying Shagger is the daddy between the sticks, bring on the runners up 4 points clear and 4 in a row! 4 its a grand old team to laugh at.............
Gwak1873

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Jackanory, jackanory, for the younger bears, fairy tales ha ha

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I really hope this is the way it works out,thank f**k not all the chat on here is doom and gloom!

4IAR Hamboom

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"we had an immediate £2.8 bill to pay to HMRC and even £6.5m was offered."

loool...what planet are you on?
seriously, you get hit with a 2.8m bill, with 1.4m in penalties, and you claim that whyte was offering to OVERPAY the taxman?? haha!
funny then, that he still hasn't paid a single penny of that, and struggled to come up with the 35k the lawyers were due.
it's nutters like you that played right into minty moonbeams hands

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11 Sep 2011 20:14:25
Let's all put one thing in perspective hear guys and Dolls. The Glasgow Rangers Football Club are WORLD RECORD HOLDERS, FACT!!
And the Financial times maybe dark at present, but
for sure this is an Institution we are talking about here!! Not GRETNA OF PORTSMOUTH.
If it means every Season Ticket and Share holder like myself, who insidentally put there money where there mouth is WE SHALL DO SO. So i suggest to our neighbours across at the DARK SIDE,
stay focussed on there own Team. And we shall stay togeather and get through this finacial plight!!
In WHYTE AND ALLY AND ALL THE RANGERS PLAYERS WE MUST TRUST!!

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Goes without question

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What on earth has your previous successes got to do with the state of your club now? Do you really think HMRC are going to just slap you on the wrist and tell you not to do it again? How's this for an institution, Enron, annual turnover of $17,000,000,000 (that's ever so slightly more than rangers' turnover) and guess what... they went to the wall. Want another one? Woolworths, started trading in 1909 and at its peak had a tunover of £2,600,000,000 and had 819 stores, guess what? Went bust. Dont fool yourself, your history will not save you so take your head out of the sand and accept what is occurring is the fault of living beyond your means for years. You reap what you sew and all that eh.

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11 Sep 2011 18:22:17
www.mediafire.com/?paqbaen9ozn6zp7 -- Martin Bain documents, page 10 onwards is the really worrying facts


This is the link to the document that reveals all. We are going under people it is 100%. We now have confirmation whyte isn't telling the truth. He is robbing out club of tr season ticket money as he knows we are admin bound. He is a snake. Protest Soon 100% don't think it's a good idea before the Celtic game next week tho, don't want to put the team off, it now has to br done

Who's in ?

J

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Theres one fact that we can all be assured of............rangers are the champions..even the tax man cant take that awayconcentrate on the footie lads..celtic cannot beat us on the field..the plague that follow them will allways need to revert to other means to have a pop at us........pity the bit that really matters...ie football...they just cant compete..........

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11 Sep 2011 18:18:23
Celtic cannot dominate Rangers and we've been a club "on our knees" for 3 years now. Haha. Apparently going bust for how long now? Yet last season was Scott Browns first trophy as Celtic captain. Magic. Hope we're going bust for the next 6 or 7 seasons so we scoop 10 in a row. As long as your a**ehole points down there will be a Glasgow Rangers. Through thick and thin, good and bad. WATP. Keep believing.

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Last season was Scott Brown's first season as Celtic captain, so you're point is a little stupid.

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Ok, so his point was a bit stupid, but the important question is ........what/ who is more stupid, his point or Scott Brown?
Answers on a postcard please.

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Fact..............glasgow rangers....best team in scotland

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11 Sep 2011 18:03:09
The daily newspaper "Kurier" reported that rapid even longer to complete payment of the Nikica-Jelavic transfers must wait. The current rate of 500,000 € will come later than agreed (31.8.), and later will be moved. According to "courier" refuses the new owner, the billionaire Craig Whyte, contaminated sites to take over - and the Rangers have to pay an additional tax payment of 33 million €. Rapids manager Werner Kuhn was informed by the Scots, but gives no further comment. "Because there are details in the Treaty. And it was disclosed."

www.sportnet.at/de/rapidwien/102463245182/jelavic_rapid_wartet_auf_rangerskohle

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And your point?

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Guys..we are more than a football club.........we are a way of life........

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11 Sep 2011 16:18:57
if we are have no money how can we pay player wages ?
until ssn say we haveint pay the players then i will not think any more about it
and as for the papers they say anything to sell take it with a pinch of slat whyte
new what he was getting in to do u think the guy would have bought us if he thought for ONE min there was no way he could save us
why would he want that kind of lose ? and as for the tax bill it only £4.2m no more at all that all we owe which comprises £2.8m plus a £1.4m penalty,
dating back to 1999. it the penalty that he dose not what to pay and i think why should he he didint run up the bill
do ppl forget we tryed to pay anothere 5mil on two player goodwillie and Roland Juhasz but goodwillie bid was knoked bk (around 2mill in the end ) anderlecht set a
price we matched it 2 time and they uped a 3rd time
so we gave up ( around 3mil ) so we have atlest that money in the bank for sure

WE ARE GLASGOW RANGERS NO ONE likes US BUT WE DONT CARE.

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U r obviously clueless, the tax bill is not Jst tht few million. The main tax case is a separate issue n cud cost us upto forty million. Has ur head bn up ur arse for the past year?

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11 Sep 2011 16:10:43
I'm a tim but I think it's shocking how the fans are being treated. You should have a protest after the old firm game. 45,000 fans and demand answers and if that doesn't work then start boycotting games until they tell you what you want to hear. From what I can make out all the season ticket money is bein guaranteed by some London mob. Simple solution is to stop making the payments on you season tickets and if every fan of the club stands together then they have no choice to give you answers. All shareholders could also demand info as they have a right to know bein that they own a little bot of the club and if they go under then every shareholder will lose there investment.

Just a few ideas from a Celtic fan who can't help but laugh at the state of rangers but is concerned about celtics future should rangers cease trading. Celtic fans need to realise that if rangers disappear then Celtic will only be 5 years behind as there will be no games worth watching and so on. Hail hail

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As far as I'm concerned we are top of the league, and only conceded one SPL goal this season. We don't need to demand answers and to stop paying for season tickets would certainly benefit you as a Celtic fan.

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Listen mate back to your own page. We've stuffed you lot the last 3 years going for 4.

Football protests are spontaneous that rise from passion and only when there is something to protest about.

Top of the league.

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"cease trading"...dont make me laugh...even if the tax case goes against us and we go into administration we,ll come out the other side debt free and maybe with a 10 point deduction...worse case senario is we end up second in the league but with no debt....i,m sure you ca guess the other....watp..

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You deluded morons, listen to the man. Whyte is ripping the heart out of your club....you's owe £35,000 to lawyers £4.2m to the tax man.......still have your £30m debt hidden somewhere by Whyte! Not a backbone between you's cause you've won the league for the last three years! Grow up.

We won it 2006,2007,2008 and we didn't go as much as you's do!

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If this site was up and running I think you would find yous would go on about it all the time. Put it this way I never heard anything else off my mates and work mates when Celtic won 3 in a row. It's called banter. If you can't take it don't give it out.
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Think you.ll find its you manks that are the deluded morons...

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Celtic = World record holders at being runners up! Says it all!

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11 Sep 2011 15:43:39
If the problems are as bad as everyone is saying, why were the 'assets' not sold during transfer window? Surely, it would make sense to cash in if wolves are circling. Too many unanswered questions though.

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Didn't know Mick McCarthy was showing any interest.

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The problems are not that bad as I said last night but will say again today lloyds bank still give RANGERS a credit rating the credit rating has been zero the last few years but as I pointed out we have resigned players on improved contracts some a**ehole says that is so we can sell them in january b****cks davis ,mcgregor,whittaker could all snap there leg at any time we have signed players we have kept jellyfish so lloyds must have more faith in MR WHYTE than they with the old board, the problem's lie with the old board, our smelly friend below points out mr hugh adam who quite rightly questioned mr murray's stewardship all those years ago the problem is this board went unchallenged for so long that they got caught with their trousers down when lloyds asked for their dough back and now MR WHYTE is left 2 pick up the pieces, ask yourself this, the year we got 2 uefa final RANGERS made in region 35mill to 40mill that season champs league money, uefa cup money & we sold hutton were the f*** did that money go I think maybe some1 has found out I am not saying the old board lined their pockets with all this but the sums don't add up when we got knocked out by kaunas we sold cueelar & that payed for the signings we made that season & we still made a profit so I think MR WHYTE & his team have been through the accounts and said hold on a minute chaps what the f***s this then it has been pointed out MR WHYTE knew about 2.8 mill tax bill I don't know if he knew about 1.4 mill fine but if he did he is within his rights 2 dispute it just like me u or smellyarse below us would cheers
WATP70

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11 Sep 2011 15:42:42
All you gers fans on here, thinking it is simply a conspiracy by "celtic minded" people,(your words on here) come on wake up and smell the coffee. For one thing most of the tv, radio and paper press are all paid up members of the lap top loyal, they are doing their best to keep everything quiet, but the TRUTH always comes out. The truth is Mr Whyte according to everybody is a BILLIONAIRE, have you ever heard of a man so rich having trouble finding £35000, to me and you a fortune, but to a mega rich guy petty cash.
Now we hear we has "mortgaged" season ticket sales for 4 years and and the money earned from europe last year, to "run" the club. Why does he need this money, being a billionaire?
We hear talk of every rangers fan worlwide giving money, Mr Hugh Adam, tells you they tried that before and all you "loyal" gers fans did nothing.
The blame lies with Rangers FC people past and present, NO BODY ELSE, so if you go into administration, I for one, as well as most of Scottish football will shed no tears as you treated people poorly in the past and gloated when Celtic were having problems. Karma, what goes around comes around. Rangers could be the next Third Lanark.
hail hail Timalloy

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What a welt.

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And Celtic will follow, ya buffoon, don't you get it? No rangers = no Celtic = no spl, no one wants to watch a one sided league, even with rangers and Celtic in the league it's a 5hite league.

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Quite disappointed Timalloy, thought you were all about the good natured banter, but in that post you've let yourself down a bit. Either that or I have been overestimating you. Not that you've ever been offensive but your sounding a wee bit bitter.

pappy

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Haven't they heard the phrase "Be careful what you wish for" ? The thickos from the other side don't seem to realise that if rangers did go down the pan then they would swiftly follow.

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I wouldn t overestimate him, he is a cioch, who does not realise celtic would be beggared, were Rangers to slide down the slippery slope to oblivion- bit theatrical there.

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Cioch is a T I T btw.

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Lets face it scottish football would die without the oldfirm-its on its knees now-i never gloated when celtic were 24 hours from going bust-we need you you need us-football needs us the country needs us-i know theres hate on either side but im friends with tims- good friends i would do just about anything for- the time of the religeous cack is dieing and im glad its dieing out there will always be a few w**kers that want to breed hate-banters all good and we will rise up from these bad words and needless carry on and keep winning!
steve the ger
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Pappy, Celtic keep being dragged down by our association with gers as part of Old Firm, I am not bitter just want Celtic set free in the EPL with our wonderful fans, who win awards and make friends everywhere we go. Reap what you sow rangers, trust Whyte if you want, but just look today on this site EVERY post is about rangers money problems, and they cannot all be celtic fans causing mischief. No I will not shed a tear if Rangers go under, they were happy to see Celtic go under, but our magnificent fans rallied round the club they loved, can you see the selfish, rangers fans do that NO NO NO. hail hail Timalloy

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Failloy, do you honestly think that championship teams will stand by as the mighty Celtic are allowed entry to the epl?

It's a pipe dream chum, Celtic are not even in the same class as a championship league team, they couldn't beat a team on it's knees for the past 3 years.

Get a grip

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"Celtic keep being dragged down by our association with gers as part of Old Firm"

That is some statement that timmyalloy am not having that , from a fan who supports a club with as dubious/tarnished history as yours. you'se are all welcome to the institution they call celtic

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About Timalloy's pipe dreams of Celtic getting into the EPL with their "wonderful fans who win awards". Only award you would win in the EPL would be the most hated fans and allocated sections in stadiums for away matches in lower tiers so the home fans above could pi55 all over you.

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11 Sep 2011 15:07:34
To the real Rangers fans on this site.

Rangers are in no trouble what so ever. We have won every game except the first game of the season against Hearts, and after that not conceded a single goal. Our away record is simply astonishing and the defence looks as secure as ever. Even without Jelavic yesterday we were still able to come away with three points. McKay was only on for a short time and looked very promising. We also still have Papac, Jelavic and Wallace to come in before the Old Firm game and I very much doubt Celtic are going to have Brown avaiable with the injury he picked up and the possibility of him playing against Athletico Madrid will just make the injury worse. Even with him we will still beat them 2 - 0.

P.S. Any chance of making a new Rangers rumour site for Celtic fans to come onto to talk about Rangers so called "money problems", because it seems we are forgetting the fact that Rangers are unbeaten and that Celtic lost to the Saints. Is there any chance of banning all posts to do with the money issues and just leaving it to the football because as far as it goes, Rangers are habving no trouble on the pitch and we are no where near our best. Here we go for 4IAR.

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Get a grip, yes we may be to of the table......but we have NO MONEY, we are no doubt going to be hammered for Unpaid tax and celic are in Europe and we aren't!!

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2 get a grip man how do you know we have no money & even if we didn't still hasn't stopped us the last 3 years, you don't also know if we will be hammered by a tax bill, u are correct about 1 thing celtic are in europe ha loved how they qualified for it a wish we could have got in that way fat peter liewell must have been creaming his we love lenny boxers when they got that draw uefa headquarters first out the hat ceptic second out the team from the matrix, liewell hello hello paul mcbride qc we have a job this tape will destruct as quick as big daniel
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11 Sep 2011 13:13:52
I think whyte should hold a press conference *spelling* *spelling* and reinsure the fans that he is for real. the club is in money problems and will be for a few years. And let us fans no where we stand in my eyes it's our club as much as his. Ger4life

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11 Sep 2011 13:50:27
lot of tic fans on here trying to get us bears to demonstrate against whyte.Must be hoplng we will fall for it and disrupt the team.Only way they can see to beat us

skyebear

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Well said..some of the rangers support cant see this m8.......theres actully bears bitte ing..lol

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11 Sep 2011 13:21:32
Why do some people think that if Rangers lose the HMRC case then they will only have to pay a tiny fraction of the circa £49m that will be owed. And there will be the additional circa £18m debt owed to Lloyds that Whyte will transfer back to Rangers if the HMRC case is lost. That's a debt of circa £67m.

The administrator will seize Rangers assets, which will include Ibrox and Murray Park, carry out a forced sale, and pay the proceeds to Rangers creditors.

That will mean no Ibrox = no Rangers.

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Well said that man. Hmrc willl make us pay, if not every business across the land will say ' rangers never paid so why should we '

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11 Sep 2011 12:52:17
One thing for sure is martin bain robbed us blind, get u see the amount of bonus money and pay rises he gave himself in last 6 years?

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Is it possible to post on this site or is this the timalloy appreaction society only?

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11 sep 2011 12:50:37
with the gers in so much money troubles surely or supposedly theirs enough rangers fans world wide that every one could contribute a certant amount of money (eg) £10 each plus the so called millioner rangers fans could add a good bit more and that would generate money to bail our club out of future tax problems and get our club of the front of news papers and back to football matters, get some high profile people includeing craig whyte to over see the whole thing, its our club and we need to do something to help it that means everybody with rangers at heart.

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Club will NEVER do that though. Dont think they would be allowed either,

Dont see why rangers supporters trust couldnt set up a charity though to accept donations... Like an online one that could be sent like chain mail around supporters trust around the world and to bus leaders.

I would donate

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This all sounds strangely familiar to a post I made last week regarding creating a donation system solely to be used on transfers. I got ridiculed for it although was happy someone entered into a debate over it as our club needs new ideas and they need to be argued over to separate the relevant points into something constructive.

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That's just what Whyte would love to see happening. He buys Rangers for £1 and then the debt and HMRC fines are paid of by gullible supporters. Get a life.

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IF we are in so much money trouble, why was the initial bid of £6.5 mil from Leicester turned down ? and then the reported £9mil bid form the unknown club ( from merseyside) ? You would think that HMRC would be ever demanding if they for one second thought that we would be unable to settle our debt. Why would the Lloyds group not step in and demand that we start to asset strip ? Why were we allowed to even enter transfer negotiations IF we have such high debts ? Why were we allowed to start refurbishment on Ibrox to the tune of £3mil, if they were going to close the club down ? I would like to think that when Whyte took over Rangers that he had a plan A, and a plan B for the HMRC case impending. He knew exactly what was coming and he still went ahead with the takeover................. As much as I hate that he failed to deliver in the transfer market ( probably because we failed in Europe ) I still do not believe that he had any dobts as to the solvency of the club beforehand, and therefore, he has all the credentials and the cash crisis firmly in hand to prevent INSOLVENCY ! Otherwise, we are being hoodwinked, and we will go out the game !!!! The truth will out and we need to belive we, we shall not be moved...... 4 in a row is still a GO

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It is not a charity Whyte is running. And why should you expect the more wealthy supporters to dig deeper when it is the players and directors who got us in to this mess? You must be a supporter of the 50p tax also, while you pick your doll money and get a free house...

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To the post above who said gullible supporters get a life,obviously you wouldnt be one to help the club out if it came about.the meaning is in the word m8 ( supporters)

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Iam the guy that done the original post, i dont pick dole money up and i dont get a free house ive worked my ars off for what ive got, i dont sponge off no c..t, as for the wealthyer supporters adding a wee bit more these millioners are for ever spouting off about their love of rangers well they should get together and do something about it then. and you must be another one with short arms and long pockets.

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11 Sep 2011 12:44:09
celtic page treat their Ed like hes all knowing... Ed "if rangers go into adminstration will they get deducted point"

they are talking about us more than celtic lol, how sad

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And you are doing exactly the same about Celtic.

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11 sep 2011 12:37:49
hibs fans protesting and organising demo's after a few poor results. our supporters are sitting back while our whole club goes down the s**tter. why no demo's? do rangers fans not give a f*** about the club anymore. get down to ibrox and demand the truth. we are glasgow rangers ffs. its time the supporters got off their arses. lets get something organised!!

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After the OF game is best but this is important, when? People need to start getting on all forums etc and spreading the word about time etc

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Agreed mate after old firm game is best. As soon as possible as far as i'm concerned, we really cant sit back and take this any longer. We are entitled to know whats going on. Any suggestions of times and dates are welcomed? A peaceful demo but if we show up in numbers they cant ignore us forever. Us supporters are the lifeblood of our club, we deserve answers.

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So your not happy we are the champions and top of the league?...............do you support celtic?

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Do i support Celtic. Shut up you TIT. Rangers till i die. We wont be top of anything if we go bust. All we ask is the truth and some direct answers from Whyte on what is happening to our club.

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11 Sep 2011 18:28:16
Monday Night after the game could work, at least it won't affect the team - mate get a brain, you must be daft if you think gers are ok. Please read the Martin Bain document.

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Yip Monday nights good for me. Just to add to my earlier posts though i hope we make it clear to Ally he has our full support and the demo and questions are directed at one man and one man only CRAIG WHYTE!!

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Whats happening to your club is..you knobule ....you just won 3 on the trot your top of the league ..a new owner..the clubs secure...now where do you think we should be?

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My my...we are the champs and theres talk of fans deserting..my my.....god help wee ginger at parkhead..imagine if we were runners up the past 3 years...we neil must be gettin hell..champs 3 years and were still not happy..what must we do?

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The last two numpties to reply to this post must be sharing a brain cell between them. Club secure? What planet is this tube on, what a walloper and as for fans deserting?? If you could read, there is no mention of that on this post. Probably never been to a game in your lives.

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11 Sep 2011 12:32:28
Also martin bain the "rangers fan" is suing the club for £1.3M.. same guy who helped Murry ruin the club, same guy that gave himself a HUGE wage rise while we were in a mess, same guys lawyers have leaked papers about his case online, same guy that claims he is "worried about rangers insolvency" STILL WANTS 1.3M compo...

Yet another sad individual trying to damage the club, lookn a lot like a hate campaign against Whyte.

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Thank God someone who can see the real truth. Not only is Bain a fraudster, see also Johnston (7 years on board),D King -( 11 Years) Greig ( till now ) As is McClelland. All of which were on the board when 27million was being paid offshore!!

What were these men doing then? They had the fore-site to see this case coming. They had the power to put a plan in place to tighten up finances! But instead they chose to sit on their fat a+se's and complain about everyone else!!

To ALL of you out there that seem hell bent on attacking Whyte, YOU HAVE NO FOUNDATION. You are scared of the unknown; and all that fear does is spread panic!

You are listening to Celtic minded fools who seem to think that Scottish football would be better off without Rangers - That my friends is puerile and outrageous! They are dreaming, hoping and wishing it's f**king pathetic! Scottish football would die a faster death than it currently is!

The previous board are where all 'your' marching should have taken place, it was then that the door should have been kicked down in protest. It was then that we should all have demanded to know what the hell has happened to our club!!

WE MISSED THE BOAT!

Now is the time where the club will clear its mess and grow in the direction it should with the stewardship it deserves and more importantly with the results the fans deserve and indeed demand.

The case coming is a big one, it could be if we lose then we will have problems. Let me tell you this now that will not be the case with this current 4.2m bill.

FOR GOD SAKE GET A GRIP OF YOURSELVES

GDog
tired and p!ssed off with all the p!sh that is being spouted without anyone having any clue.

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Here here

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11 Sep 2011 18:23:14
Read the Martin Bain document. Whyte is the guy we should be after. We need to wake up this is solid evidence that whyte has NO plans except admin got us. Mortgaging off the season ticket money!

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11 Sep 2011 18:28:52
Not rumour - fact

Martin Bain stuff

Read from page 10

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I'm not saying the document is a rumour I know the document is real. However the claims of insolvency are under a different regime! The Murray regime which Bain was part of! Bain has had no part in Whytes management and has no clue as to what he can or cannot afford or indeed what his plans are!

Bain IS A FRAUDSTER! Ask yourself this - who leaked the document? It was either Bain or an office junior!

Also the law firm representing Bain have already said that the document has since been changed!

GDog

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11 Sep 2011 12:29:00
All this polution about the finances at rangers is pathetic. if you suppose to be a gers fan and your filling this page with this negative pish you should be ashamed and go "support" another team.

We might have the tax case hanging over us but Whyte knew about it so we can just see what happens... as for the rest...

35k lawyer bill, get a grip, going in to administraion for a 35k bill, you r idiots! Paid, end off.

The same lawfirm the bill was owed to claimed worries about rangers solvency... what do they know, we asked them for legal advise about the fine for singing... they dont have access to the club bank accounts.. they are lawyers not accountants. Done out of spite over the bill.

All the gumf written on scotzine about the tax case.... that irish t**t that also writes for the ALTERNATIVE VIEW, that morbid jazz mag for celtic fans.

Current tax case of 2.8M, bill agreed to be paid, just not the FINE of 1.4M! They want the full wack, WE ARE SAYING NO. It will go to tribunal.

HRMC investigation into money from Murrays regime.. nobody knows what will happen with it, SO STOP PRETENDING YOU HAVE INSIDE KNOWLEDGE, YOU DONT, YOUR JUST ANOTHER PERSON ON THE SITE THAT CLAIMS YOU KNOW EVERYTHING, POST IT, ARE WRONG, THEN SIT THINKING WHAT ELSE CAN I PRETEND I KNOW ABOUT.

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Spot on sir, absolutely spot on!


GDog

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£35k bill that we NEVER paid, we had to shame ourselves by getting taken the court of session.

£2.8 million, yes that is including interest but if we cant pay a bill of £35k what the chances of being able to pay £2.8 million and the further tax bill of £40 m.

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee mate, we are in deep s**t.

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We're paying Whitt's and a few others £25,000 a week and you think we can't afford a £35,000 payment. That's quite silly is it not?

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11 Sep 2011 18:08:13
www.mediafire.com/?paqbaen9ozn6zp7

Page 10 onwards - this is the doc that was leaked from Martin bains lawyers - he confirms our thoughts - read this doc and then you will know

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11 Sep 2011 12:27:49
if rangers go into administration would whyte still own the club or could anyone make a move to take control .

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11 Sep 2011 12:04:57
Whyte has taken out a loan frm a finance company for next 4 years season ticket money what is that all about? When are all u so called rangers fans going start the protests? Are u just going let this guy run our club into the ground?

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..Hmm...4 years season ticket money amounts to about £48 million...how much did he borrow?...and what did he borrow it for?....sounds to me you dont know your erse fae your elbow....

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How do you know that? were you in putting your pocket money into your savings account in HBOS and see craig whyte sitting talking to an advisor asking how much money he is allowed? lol more BS

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Martin Bain has made this claim in his court papers.

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11 Sep 2011 08:34:16
their must be rangers fans out there who are savvy enough to get our massive worldwide fanbase organised and ready to be mobilised for fundraising /demonstrations if the picture being painted is true we cant all sit back and do nothing and watch the rangers go under . aye ready

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You dont have an organized worldwide fan base. You have supporters dotted in different parts of the world but you are far from a global club. The fans done nothing when the takeover farce was taking place, the fans done nothing when signing targets turned their back on the club. What makes you think that working people with families to feed and bills to pay will bail out rangers when they get absolutely nothing in return?

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I pay for 4 season tickets ive got a steady job and i would be willing to give that bit extra to help the mighty gers

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I take it when you say you dont have instead of we dont have a worldwide fanbase that you are not a rangers man so f##k off as this does not concern you , by the way 200,000 + at manchester was the biggest traveling support in the history of european football this great club is here forever

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Manchester is hardly worldwide is it? Come on. And just look at what happened. And my post is supposed to imply that although rangers have fans throughout the world it means nothing if they are unorganized and sporadic. Even with the best will in the world. Also, who's to say that Whyte would want any rangers supporters groups having a say. He has bought the shares it is a limited company not a plc so he can practically tell you to f*** off. He's going to steer rangers into administration and then make a killing. That has been his intention all along, why bring in property developer Andrew Ellis who offers nothing in a footballing or finance sense?

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To the original poster.. I would like to think there is someone with the finacial means looking at this sorry chapter and is already planning a rescue if the worst happens, sadly i don't think there is and it's now time for the sensible fan groups as well as supporter clubs throughout the world to engage in a constructive plan of action, it worries me that not only the Rangers board are quiet but also the supporters trust and the like.
And by bringing up the 200,000 fans that went to Manchester, well please take away at least 20-30000 of these as I don't want those inbred morons near my club.
So, supporters of Rangers should now unite and a handfull of people be nominated to explore the way forward as our great club name is being tarnished on a daily basis and Sir David Murray should bow his head in shame.
BR

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To the guy who said Ellis has no interests except property, he is actually the only one who has been involved in football out of the two of them. Ellis sole bid I'm led to believe hinged on him having a wealthy partner/partners involved. It got knocked back. So he came back with his wealthy partner as the front for the deal (whyte) and the deal went through. In my opinion it's not whyte who is making all the decisions it's Ellis. And he hasn't uttered a peep since his bid was knocked back first time. I'm not sure what the future holds for the Gers but I hope these two gentlemen have thought long and hard about their strategy for getting the club back on an even keel. In my opinion if we win the tax case (the biggie not the one whyte found during due diligence) then these two have got rangers for a pretty decent price, clear the 18million debt £1 pound for DM share and 2.8 million for the tax bill. £21 million to buy a stable healthy rangers with all the assets the club has is a pretty decent price. If we hadn't been in debt I'm pretty sure the asking price for the club to any prospective buyer would have been greater than 21million. If the big tax case goes against us that's a different kettle of fish. But I think they have planned for this, it may not be to the fans liking what they do but I reckon it would save the club from going under. If DM was still in charge with llyods bank and we got hit with big tax bill it would have been the end of the club, that's why DM wanted out, he didn't want the blame if rangers went out of the game, so passed it over to someone who may be able to stop that happening. If we win then whyte/Ellis have got a good deal and may invest, if not then the club survives but only just and the rebuilding begins. Just my thoughts

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Murray said he would only sell to someone who would take our club forward, lets wait and see because this could rumble on for a long time. I don't think Whyte entered into any of this BLIND, he and Ellis are planning something, how that affects Rangers fc will remain to be seen. Rangers ' til I die

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11 Sep 2011 07:28:20
Interesting that Martin Bain was happy to stay on happy to stay on and take Whytes money after the takeover without raising doubts. Anyway he was removed 4 months ago. What does he know about the current situation.

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Erm?? Alot. He knows alot. He knows more than ANY poster on this forum. As you say, its only been 4 months since he left, what has changed since then? The taxcase? No. The debt? No. I would guess that he knows exactly to what extent rangers are in the crap.

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11 Sep 2011 05:46:00
i think it is time wee went to ibrox to defend the club wee love Mr white would allow the club to go under if he was hit with a tax bill of 15 million source daily express and i think wee should be at ibrox defenetley not allowing this to happen if yous want to do it then am defenetley up for it if these roumours are true but if were gonna do it i want to get this going today am not doing it because am not a real supporter am doing it because i love the club a was supporting whyte but if these roumours are turning out to be true then wee want answers now and wee will get answers a really hate protesting to the club wee all love but some times wee need to do what wee need to do to get answers when was the last time Mr whyte came out and told us anything he never does

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Its a shame that you didnt open your eyes and have this kind of motivation 5 months ago. Everybody (apart from the rangers support) could see Whyte for what he really was, an asset stripper. Why were there no fans demonstrating outside ibrox then? Why did the media or the supporters not ask questions? There still is NO verifiable evidence to determine Whytes wealth or the source of it. Whe the bunnet bought Celtic he was put through the grinder by the papers and fans marched in their thousands. This is gonna be a serious case of "I told you so"

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Why are you saying wee?

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Because i dont need a wee, or did you mean "we"?

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11 Sep 2011 02:39:20
We are clearly in financial s**t, but how? I would like to know how we can be insolvent. They took in £12m in season ticket sales, and I understand that the cl money from last year was paid in June, about £8m. This should be the time of the season that we should have plenty. Where has this gone?

Our new owner who paid £1 for the club, did not clear the debt, merely put in place a scheme where this debt defers back to rfc if we lose tax case and go into admin. Surely this £20m cannot have gone already, it has not been spent on players that is for sure. So where is it, why are we having trouble paying bills at the moment.

With regards to hmrc, clearly somebody gave mr Murray advice. If that advice turns out to be s**t, why is a claim not being made to the advisors professional indemnity insurers?

Somebody has to come out and explain what is going on. There are too many unanswered questions.

Does mr w have any money?
Why can't we pay bills?
What position if any does Ellis have?
What will happen if we lose case?

I cannot understand why anybody would buy a business where there is a potential catastrophic liability hanging over it's head. Why did mr w not wait until case over?

There has to be a reason why anybody would do that. I would not buy a house if there was a potential of that house being knocked down in 6 months.

Why if reports are true was Ellis given shares without putting money in. If I were looking for a house and mentioned it to a pal, who found a house, I would not give him a share of the house.

There are so many things that seem to make no sense at all, in fact the whole thing stinks.

A parting shot to our previous owner who declared himself as a custodian of the club. Well it was fun under mr m but he is and has to accept absolute blame for this shambles, he has left our club in a he'll of a mess, some custodian. However he has come out of this with very little criticism, it almost appears as if somehow he is beyond flack.

We should have learned our lesson, one businessman should never have total ownership, we should never rely on other businesses belonging to one man, because when it goes wrong even in another of his businesses then this affects us. Now mr whyte or mr tight is another sole owner. The club should be owned by us because we are the only ones who would not be in it for a quick buck, we care about our team, and yet we have sat back and done nothing, we should be demanding the truth, I hate to say it but when Celtic were having their problems their fans made sure the board knew they were not prepared to accept the position, and backed them into change.

Time to let mr w know that this is unacceptable, we want, no demand the truth, now!

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Why didnt rangers fans have these kind of questions fired at Whyte BEFORE he took over. I have been saying for nearly 6 months that Whyte is an asset stripper and i have been laughed at and given the usual "away tae ur own page timmy". But according to various sources which have now been published by the mainstream media, the champs league money and seasons ticket sales have been mortgaged for four years in return for cashflow. This should be extremely worrying as it would seem that rangers cant pay their day to day bills.

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11 Sep 2011 18:14:32
To everyone who is really dumb and think all is well, please read the Martin Bain documents, it confirms that the fears are true.

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11 Sep 2011 02:04:24
i see celtic have another site on here for their conspiracy theories

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11 Sep 2011 01:39:11
hope the martin bain legal documents are fake because its pretty scary reading is take on rangers finances. i think most off whats being throwen around is scaremoungering tho and hopefuly its not as bad as were all making it, still scary tho.

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Martin Bain will be found out as a fraudster. The money he was making was obscene, and for me I am willing to bet he had too much control in an extremely weak board. I would not be surprised if his fingers were in the tin! It happens so often when certain people have a position of power and abuse. I believe he was possibly left unmanaged and in turn he was able to do as he liked when he liked.


GDog

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If you had an unfounded claim for unfair dismissal, would you do anything you could to ruin the reputation of those you are pursuing?

Think about it.

Just because Martin Bain said it doesnt mean its true. His own lawyers even state that this does not form the basis of the current claim they are pursuing.

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11 Sep 2011 01:25:09
Ed What would happen IF we went into administration? Would Whyte just walk away? Do you think that someone would buy us out? {Ed001's Note - it is impossible to say, but I doubt the club would be allowed to just disappear, that would be a death knell for Scottish football.}

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Ed, im interested in how the club will "not be allowed to disappear". Why? Afterall its just a company, like Enron or Woolworths. Why would it not be allowed to fold/ Who will step in? If it where bailed out by the government then that would set a precedent for every business that was in difficulty to expect to be bailed out. {Ed001's Note - that is an incredibly strange question as it is obvious there would be willing buyers. A club the size of Rangers, in admin, would cost a fraction of its true value, there would be investors willing to help a fans buyout I am sure.}

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Ed, there was hardly a queue forming to buy rangers in the first place, in fact, i think it was only Whyte. The clubs global appeal meant nothing then as no one apart from him and Ellis wanted to invest. I do however agree than in administration rangers would be a far more attractive and lucrative propostition. But what would administration mean in your opinion Ed? Are we talking (theoretically) about a points deduction and a slap on the wrist or would it be a Livingstone type situation meaning relegation and 2 year Uefa ban? {Ed001's Note - personally I would expect a points deduction and slap on the wrist.}

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11 Sep 2011 00:07:57
ed do you think there will be transfer business for the gers in januray or do you think that is us f***ed until this tax case is over because wee need a goalscorer and a winger and a Rb and wee need another 3 or 4 to add to that bench of sertan quality {Ed001's Note - too early to say what will happen in January for any team.}

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10 Sep 2011 23:52:46
I can see into the future 10 years from now celts will be going for 10 in a row. Ha.

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Nope but in 7 years time we will have done 10 in a row

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No yous want ha

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Aye cos us being f***ed has helped yous a lot over the last 3 seasons eh lololol

Bed-time for you Timothy

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Just took you's 3 years 2 build up to it Ha Ha ya f***in rocket a can see into future 2 can see you's on here talking s**te next sunday saying that it's uefa's fault you's got pumped aff us for letting you's back into europa league and the sfa's fault for making you's travel 2 an away game after playing on a thursday night & if they don't award you's a 3-0 win you's are going to get paul mcbride qc to take the case to the high court somewhere in the solar system because everybody has an agenda against you's.
IN THE WORDS OF THE GREAT BILL STRUTH STOP TALKING PISH YA FANNY.
WATP 70

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Mr Struth never said a truer word...

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