Rangers Banter Archive September 11 2016
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11 Sep 2016 22:14:22
Fair enough Barton had a howler of a game against the tic but c'mon boys, use are all so judgemental after a few games, see the first games he played everyone was so excited about him a praising him so much but a few bad games and bang, he should be banned from Ibrox, c'mon lads give him a break.
11 Sep 2016 23:18:22
Right joey come clean its you, right stop tweeting how good you are and start performing, tbh you've been absolute pants so far and even at times slowed our game down so time to start playing for what you earn. P. s tell niko i love em but hit the fitness go with josh.
11 Sep 2016 23:45:52
I think the main problem with Barton is that he done all his talking on Twitter and talk sport before a ball was even kicked and now he his here and has realised that our game isn't a walk in the park. Fair play to Scott brown, as much as I can't stand him, he never once reacted and he done all his talking on the park and has made Barton look like a right fan**.
12 Sep 2016 00:08:38
He hasn't kicked a ball since he arrived but if he had been as good on the park as he has been on Twitter and shouting his mouth off on Social Media in general he would have been a mixture of Gazza, Baxter and Souness and would have beaten Celtic single handed and been given the match ball for scoring four or five goals!
I would build my team round Rossiter and barton could sit in the Stand with his woeful pal, Hill!
12 Sep 2016 00:28:52
Its a long season but yesterdays result is unacceptable. MW and DW will know that. i think we will see a good few changes next week but i don't think one will be barton. i still think he will come good with windass and holt in front of him. tav is fast becoming an asset and wes has looked more assured this season. wee Garner will score 20-25 when he settles in.
12 Sep 2016 05:19:03
Bears! Bad result really bad buy I still think Warbs is the man to take us forward, he's going to stick with Sendaros like it or not but despite Sat game the guy has to be given more time. Warbs tho does need to think about formation and imo he must think about settling the team he will rotate just like any other manager and I still think European football will be back at Ibrox nxt season. So this is my thoughts on our line up before breaking to a 4-3-3 witch he wants to do but needs to dominate and have the game by the baws before doing so. So here's my formation and remember each to there own Bears.
Gilks
Tavs. Sendaros. Crooks. Wallace.
Barton/ Rossiter
Forester. O'Halloran
Holt/ Nico. (McKay)
Windass
Garner/ Dodoo.
Basically a 4-4-2 with 2 mids 1 sitting slightly deeper when needed and 1 further forward the 2 strikers playing off one another. I think we could use Windass in that role as second attacker but sitting between the mid and say Garner. Whatever tho don't think Warbs will drop Sendaros but he must pair him with Crooks or Wilson regarding midfeild he will obviously rotate but he must find his strongest line up for certain games and remember Bears only my opinion don't all jump at once and let's stick together and support Warbs as this is still part of the rebuild.
12 Sep 2016 06:38:02
Listen Bears when I heard we had signed Barton I was well happy, couldn't believe he was 36 buy never the less this guy was not only one of Burnleys best players last season but one of the best in the whole Championship! Burnley wanted to keep him and I'm sure he had others wanting him too, so to think that this guy has just lost that talent overnight is ridiculous! He will come good and I'm getting passed off with people sayin that Nico and Sendaros are past it their 31! Maybe this result and the aftermath will be the kickstart the lads need to turn up and do there job! I know it shouldn't need somethin like this but u never know. As fir Kiernan the guy needs benches and Warbs must stick to Sendaros which he will and giv other place to either Crooks or Wilson or draft Wallace into centre of defence and use Hodson at left back. This could be the case for County game as Sendaros isn't available so put Wilson or the young loanee Bates with Wallace but I think Warbs will go with Hill and if fit Wallace. Really hope we see Crooks soon and the game against County at Ibrox would be ideal so defence for game will be I think.
12 Sep 2016 06:38:46
Tavs. Hill. Wilson. Wallace.
12 Sep 2016 06:53:54
Did anyone else get the feeling krankjar was trying to get sent off to save himself the embarrassment of being subbed. i said last wk if nico and barton played it would b a long day so its not a kneejerk reaction, for me its time to have rossiter as our sitter with windass and holt in front of him. also using miller as a winger to accomodate garner was a shocking move. tierny is one of ther most attacking weapons so why do we not use MOH to keep him pegged back abit. not rocket science warbs.
12 Sep 2016 07:29:05
Barton didn't even say much it's the fans blowing everything out of proportion or do you just want 11 robots with no character.
12 Sep 2016 08:54:52
barton is 34.
12 Sep 2016 08:59:05
Tav Wilson Wallace hodson best back 4 we got.
12 Sep 2016 10:34:30
Seriously Barton is the least of the concerns from Saturday. Check the video.
12 Sep 2016 11:20:02
Why does everyone want Wallace at CB he can't defend he is only any good going forward h would be worse than kiernan.
12 Sep 2016 13:04:39
Got to agree jaydee99.cant get my head round thet either. he's at best decent as a left back wer he uses his running power but to suggest putting him at CB is ridiculous.
11 Sep 2016 20:38:51
Does anyone think that mw shall now change plans. System? Players, times of subs, set pieces, the reason I ask is every top manager can change the system during the game but mw just does the same every game.
11 Sep 2016 22:50:11
You answered your own question.
Every TOP manager.
12 Sep 2016 00:14:42
Whether he changes plans or not I have my doubts but I just hope he changes his team selection and leaves Barton, Halliday, Kiernan, Hill, Kranjcar and Miller out of the team and concentrates on Youth with the team built round Rossiter, Windass etc. He also needs to find a leader because Wallace is not leadership material!
12 Sep 2016 00:36:01
Pep guardiola, arsene wenger and mark warburton. top managers who believe in the philosophy that football should be played the right way. it might not always work but when it does its gallas.
12 Sep 2016 02:39:26
By all means MW is a good manager, but he is far from a finished article, he seems to have a fetish for older gentleman who have had some success in EPL. Some work some dont.
We will come top six i am confident of that, a reckon Celtic will have the league tied up by November. This is good for us, it takes pressure of the boys and we can experiment and plan for next year.
On another note, will we see any investment? Celtic will lose all there decent players if they keep playing the way they do, Dembele will go for 8 million and Sinclair 6. They will spend 5 million on players, so ideally we need a similar figure.
I realise next year is far away but need to plan boys, I think their 4 year plan will come to light noo.
12 Sep 2016 08:43:35
Pep Guardiola and Arsene Venger how can you put the three in the same sentence what has MW done in the game we were torn apart on Sat we have won two of our last nine games since winning the championship any other manager would be under severe pressure but he is still worshipped this is a shambles of a team few turned up on Sat Barton and Kranjcar in the same midfield I ask you it was pedestrian like never was we ever going to put pressure on Celtic if we didn't at least compete in midfield though I hate to admit it Brown was right it was men against boys MW is not the man to take Rangers forward in my eyes I've been saying this for months this rubbish of if plan A doesn't work well play plan A better is rubbish he needs to set his team up to combat teams not just put them out and hope for the best Sat shows that we should have been more compact and stayed in the game and frustrated Celtic not open up and try to go at them they are a different team from the semi final but saying all that we are where we are and no money to change it so its baton down the hatches and prepare for a long hard season.
12 Sep 2016 09:48:47
Tom 42 - Barton, Kranjcar and Kiernan fair enough but Miller?
11 Sep 2016 22:23:11
I don't think the formation is the problem it's the players he's playing in it and his soft spot for kiernan. Would be nice if he changed during games now and again though at least. Ditch the short corners aswell.
11 Sep 2016 23:08:02
I am a coach for my sons under 10s team and make changes to formation during most games depending on how its going. Looking at that game on Saturday we should have set up to defend and counter attack
5 4 1 formation. Sit in tight for first 60 min and see where we were at.
To go with the attacking formation we did was madness.
11 Sep 2016 23:13:58
At one point we had a free kick about 20 yards outside the Celtic box and we passed sideways and it ended up back in our half
That ball should have been launched into the box. This makes me question wtf MW is coaching them. Set pieces were going to be our best chances.
11 Sep 2016 20:36:00
Do you know one of the most annoying things for me about yesterday's result?
Our own fans reaction to it.
Warburton is right. There is no gulf between the sides. But for a few players we do have a strong squad. Senderos did not have a bad game defensively until we went down 3-1 and he had a couple of rushes of blood to the head. Until then he was reasonably solid in the centre with a week partner in Kiernan and "Captain Fantastic" in Lee Wallace.
All 3 of the first goals Kiernan was at fault. He failed to attack to ball from the corner (although Dembele wasn't actually his man), he needlessly gave the ball away with the second and mate a poor attempt at blocking the shot ( at the same time Lee Wallace makes no decent attemp to get back and help out his defence) and the then runs out of position toward the man with ball leaving Sinclair free and clear to slot home. If he'd kept his position it would have forced Dembele into a shot which I am confident Fod would have been able to stop.
Barton was terrible, whether this is a dip in form remains to be seen because I can't see him being dropped but I think the trouble is that he expects too much time on the ball. You don't get that much time in Scotland to stop and turn so the first touch is important. Niko has the same problem and yesterday he was trying too hard to put tackles in.
The rest of the team are more than capable but for the ball winners in the midfield not being at the races. Windass looked like doing something every time he had the ball. Mackay played well but for poor support from Wallace. Garner put himself about. Fod took some crosses well and was not at fault for any of the goals. Tav played well enough and made a decent cross for the goal.
In Summary, the players I believe caused that defeat in order of uselessness were Kiernan, Barton/ Wallace and Niko.
I firmly believe the Warburton and Weir can see these problems and there is no need to panic and suddenly demand a change in shape and tactics. Wallace has to step up to the plate as Captain and sort out his defence. A pairing I believe should now be Wilson and Senderos in the middle or Crooks if that is the position he will play and is suitable. Barton has to step up or be replaced by Rossiter. The rest if the team can be rotated as I see no real weaknesses there. The lack of attacking flair is a biproduct of a shaky defence.
11 Sep 2016 21:47:38
Bigbear, there's a massive gulf, I would even bet on Aberdeen and hearts taking 3 goals off Rangers.
Warburton was so on the ball he thought lustig had been booked, he's completely out his depth, and thought like Barton, that they would canter this Wee diddy league.
11 Sep 2016 22:11:14
That's garbage mate
Senderos was absolutely brutal yesterday. To claim Barton was worse is nonsense. He was hardly good, but Senderos for me was at fault at second and third. Kiernan plays a poor pass sure, but Senderos make is easy by sitting down. At the third goal Kiernan is following his man who has stepped inside and Senderos allows Sinclair to run off him.
He then takes a cheap shot at Dembele rather than actually win the ball or leave one on him to get booked and that just looks a muppet when misjudging the ball and getting sent off.
Agree Wallace was poor and needs to step up and milo was a mile of the pace. If that is him a peak fitness then he is in the wind down. Kiernan is simply not good enough so that that would seem to leave Wilson and either Senderos or crooks or even bates but that seems doubtful. Most worrying thing for me is what would griffiths have done to them?
11 Sep 2016 22:17:11
I'm afraid 4 out of 11 players is quite a gulf! Altho I think u are letting a few off that were posted missing (didn't play particularly badly but contribute very little) .
Septic r streets ahead! No doubt about it.
11 Sep 2016 23:31:08
Gharrower Senderos was watching ball when Dembele ran across him. A foul yes and a booking but just a clumsy foul. The second booking was an instinctive action which everyone has done at some point.
At the third goal Keirnan steps across in front of Senderos who was in front of Dembele before he made the pass. Keirnan was out of position. Senderos was winning headers and actually making tackles. Keirnan is a liability.
Should would suggest they have an entire team miles ahead of ours because we have a weak defence.
12 Sep 2016 00:18:22
Bigbear, the one thing that I do agree with is the players that were primarily at fault and in particular Kiernan, who has been a disaster for some time now and Wallace, who will never ever be a leader of men. He isn't captain material and I am not sure that he will hack it in the SPL. Yes he deserves respect for staying with the Club in our hour of need but he just is not a leader and he never will be!
12 Sep 2016 10:00:15
My villa fan mates said senderos was garbage and its proven to be true. Ball watching and no positional sence. We have got to make do till Jan with these clowns and fingers crossed Wilson will come good. As another post said let's play rossiter instead of Barton with crooks and widnass, garner dodoo and an other up top. Play with speed and urgency like Celtic did to us Saturday.
From what we saw why did we not go for Toure and ended up with Hill.
12 Sep 2016 17:44:31
Rogic, Forrest, Roberts, Bitton, Sinclair, lustig Svitachenko, Toure, Tierney, Dembele, Brown, Griff,
The gulf in class is so apparent to any football person that watched not only Derby Celtic game but any one of the games this season.
Weak management
Weak Owners
Weak players
And if Rangers don't get a place in Europe for next season that is getting banked on with the wages outlay for Barton, Niko, Hill, Seneros, Garner, Then its serious financial problems . The money spent on wages on theses duds could be a very High Risk gamble indeed.
11 Sep 2016 23:01:35
Think Warbs is spot on there is no gulf.
11 Sep 2016 23:03:10
Griffiths wouldn't have been any better than that, the guy got a hat trick.
11 Sep 2016 19:31:08
Gets fans, remember the 6 2 game? The next on a 5 1 turn around!
McKay, rossiter, windlass, crooks, garner, Halliday, forester, Wallace, Wilson, o Halloran all good players who will do well in self.
In my opinion to be what you fans expect and deserve, your manager has to be brave and stop playing Barton, krancjer play with the boys who have enthusiasm, skill and will run all day for rangers, add in a bit of experience in Miller when needed, Waghorn will score so it ain't that bad although it probably feels it just now,
Can't solve the centre half thing but there must be a Rangers youth who would be better than hill and senders.
Chin up lads you will be back just hopefully for me not for a while yet.
11 Sep 2016 20:30:53
Yeah but Celtic still won the league that season.
11 Sep 2016 20:50:34
Nice sportsmanship angelgabriel, there's always going to be highs n lows being a football fan but enjoy it while it lasts.
11 Sep 2016 21:32:41
Thanks Bear! The young boys look good. Windass ran more yesterday than his dad did in two years!
Old enough to remember the good and the bad. You guys remember Biggins and Muggleton and Hayes? I do!
You will be back and when it comes you will remember yesterday as part of the journey the same way I remember the great TB writing that Goram will be on his grave stone!
See you in the new year and good luck until then!
11 Sep 2016 19:01:02
Neil McCann made a great observation at half time yesterday regarding our goal. The movement of Miller and Garner was that of a strike pairing. He was absolutly spot on. Miller peeled off back stick, cushioned a header into a dangerous position and there's Garner with something to throw himself at. Really good goal.
General question to you all, is the 4-4-2 totally dead in football now?
McCoist/ Hately, Shearer/ Sutton, Cole/ Yorke. all excellent partnerships in the past. Nowadays there's no partnerships around with 2 recognised centre forwards, it's a shame as I'd love to see the return of a 4-4-2 with 2 out and out goalscorers working off each other, 2 wide men hitting the by line on a regular basis and a couple of good ball playing centre mids dictating our play. A 4-4-2 also gives a team more variety, something we lack and something Strachan picked up on post match. The one time we get a good delivery into the box we score.
11 Sep 2016 20:09:26
I reckon that with the appropriate quality it would still work but for us just now with Miller past his best and no other striker of quality to play alongside Garner not to mention our excuse for a defence we might struggle!
11 Sep 2016 20:48:32
leicester won the epl playing 442 bud, still a lot of teams use it, we have used it a few times this season.
11 Sep 2016 22:23:54
We can thank pep Guardiola for the 442 demise! With his boring brand of keep ball! Fergies 442 system was always great to watch, nothing better than 2 main strikers working off each other. I will add another few partnerships in there
Cantona/ Hughes
Sheringham/ Cole
Shearer / ferdinand
Quinn / Phillips
All superb to watch.
11 Sep 2016 23:51:58
Bhoywonder, Leicester never played with a conventional 4-4-2, Mahrez was closest to Vardy but no alongside him. Rarely, if ever, would they go with say Ulloa partnering Vardy. I'd say 4-4-2 suits Celtic right now with the obvious talent Dembele has and the goals Griffiths contributes and in Forrest and Roberts they have 2 natural wide men, albeit Forrest's delivery is questionable at times. Also, Rogic is a player and has all the attributes IMO to play centre mid in that system (the sooner he gets sold the better)
Scotty, totally agree with the Guardiola comment. The tiki taka or whatever style it's labelled as doesn't do it for me. I've always hated it, thank god for the Germans eh. Bayern sussed Barcelona out I'm the CL and showed the world how to play against it. hence Spains poor world cup in 2014. All the top teams now seem to have that 1 lone striker, there's Chelsea signed the Belgium lad in the summer for £30+m but I bet he and Costa rarely start a game together this season. that's just one example of many. I'm with you mate, BRIMG BACK THE 4-4-2!
12 Sep 2016 09:00:10
totally agree j1985, MON THE 442.
11 Sep 2016 22:26:23
The goal was offside watch it.
Garner didn't need to touch the ball it was going in from Kenny header.
11 Sep 2016 16:49:39
On the game yesterday I think to go to park head with a midfield of windlass Barton kranjar was a huge mistake I said weeks before the game that 451 was way to go, hitting them fast on the break but didn't happen and now we need to take it on the chin and move on. If we stick to this current system then we need to look at why it worked last year although we still lost games, we played high tempo passing football but Barton and kranjar are not up to this, there slowing it down, it happened yesterday giving time to tims swamp us in midfield maybe once crooks is fit could try him rossiter and windlass with waggy forester and garner up front and give young guy from faith a chance along side Wilson and hodson for Wallace this is a wake call these guys deserve there chance now. That's my opinion but down to mr warburton got to get back to winning ways immediately and we have to back him through thick and thin guys.
11 Sep 2016 18:09:39
Holt must start the next game if he is fit along with Windass and Rossiter or Halliday.
Give the young guy Bates a chance at CB and play Moh wide right.
We need pace and tempo and with Barton and Kranjcar we are caught in possession.
Warbs signings Hill, Barton, Kranjcar, Senderos are questionable even this early in the season.
11 Sep 2016 19:32:32
Will it happen?
For
Tav
Bates
Wilson
Wallace
Crooks
Windass
Rossiter
Holt
Waghorn
Garner
Subs -
Giles
Hodson
Barton
Miller
Mckay
Ohalloran.
11 Sep 2016 20:16:22
If I am honest I would change things 100% and build a team round the young guys like Rossiter and Holt and none of the old heads would start with only Miller in the squad although I acknowledge the need for either Senderos or Kiernan as back up on the bench. Hill would move upstairs to coach, hopefully he would get that right! Until we signed a proper quality centre back I would play Wallace at Centre Back and draft in someone else at left back, (Wallace was poor at full back yesterday and McKay looked better in that role when he fell back after the Senderos sending off) .
11 Sep 2016 20:41:16
I could live with that team. Only problem is who would captain the team. Maybe Rossiter, he captains young England; or maybe Crooks. The problem with Wallace is that he is not a leader; he can't motivate those wound him when the chips are down, he can't take the game by the scruff of the next when needed and lead by example. He is not in the mould of Greig, Caldow, Bobby Shearer, Butcher, Gough or Amoruso to name just a few, and he never will be!
11 Sep 2016 20:46:53
No Forrester in the squad Moh wide right Waghorn and Mackay.
12 Sep 2016 03:36:20
This season is STILL part of the rebuild our FIRST season, it was a bad result and well tough to take so imo Warbs must use this season to get the team settled and use 4-4-2 with the option to go 4-3-3 depending on how games going so this is my team.
Gilks
Tavs
Sendaros
Crooks
Wallace
Forester
Barton/ Rossiter
Holt/ Nico
O'halloran/ Mckay
Waghorn/ Windass
Garner/ Dodoo
/ =Rotation Windass playing just behind other striker its difficult to get the best team but Warbs has this season to work it out but he must use other tactics against certain opposition 4-4-2 is STILL an attacking passing formation that Leicester used fantastically well also think Windass should be used up front again just my opinion Bears. Keep the faith with Warbs people this season is one where we need to remember that we're still rebuilding!
11 Sep 2016 16:41:31
theres no gulf between the sides? what planet is Warburton from then?
11 Sep 2016 17:35:48
Exactly he really does invite ridicule on.
11 Sep 2016 17:56:18
Let's take the positives we could have Scott Brown as an ambassador of our club haha.
11 Sep 2016 19:21:52
what do you want him to say? that we aren't good enough? that's a way to get the players up for it aye. he's backing his team up like he should.
11 Sep 2016 19:45:10
As opposed to Joey Barton? Yeah you should be so lucky mate!
11 Sep 2016 20:33:04
Cee
He didn't need to say anything.
11 Sep 2016 20:42:46
What he should do is sort out this useless bunch of posers. Wallace or Souness would have killed half of them after that result and some of them would be looking for a new club this morning although most of them would not be anywhere near the club!
11 Sep 2016 15:59:42
Been a fan since the early 60's, and cannot remember a defence as bad as this, surely there are young scottish defenders around who would give all in that shirt, something has to be done now!
11 Sep 2016 16:55:54
I believe rangers have another gear or two to hit and when they do all the over fickle fans will be back singing the managements praise, short memories we are still working our way out of a shambolic period.
11 Sep 2016 18:47:21
We"ll only hit those high gears if he drops barton and krankjar. also kiernan must argubaly be the worse cb in my time (late 80s)
11 Sep 2016 20:22:07
I can go back to the late 1950's and if I exclude the McCoist team then I am with you, I have never seen a poorer bunch of central defenders with Hill and Kiernan by far the worst.
It pains me to say it but I cannot remember a poorer captain in terms of leadership qualities since the Scott Symon Era.
While other areas of the team might improve these particular problems will not improve until we find a way to bring in quality and find a leader in the mould of Greig, Souness, Butcher, Gough or Amoruso.
11 Sep 2016 20:38:36
If we play Barton and Kranjcar together we won't ever hit those high gears.
11 Sep 2016 19:16:34
Blue die in that in decades (80s) or your years of age, because if it's years of age your implying then that does say something mate 😀.
11 Sep 2016 15:43:59
who plays centre back against county then?
youngsters? wallace and bates? Barton?
hopefully most of our players are starting to come back from injuries and gain fitness (waggy crooks etc)
11 Sep 2016 20:17:35
Barton? Has the guy won a header yet? And you want him at cb, yes please 😊.
11 Sep 2016 14:57:04
This may be a silly question after yesterday, but it's a simple one.
Would fellow Rangers fans accept second place come the end of the season considering our start to the season?
11 Sep 2016 15:11:11
Gratefully mate and I can't see how anyone would be to proud to say that.
11 Sep 2016 15:22:42
In a heartbeat.
I can't imagine many fans, even before a ball was kicked, wouldn't have considered second place a success for the first season back in the top league.
Of course we don't want to see Celtic win the league but with stability they've had in recent years and decent recruitments they acquired in the summer it would be a huge upset if we were to pip them this year.
Having said that, once we have established who our first team will be this season and they start gel I don't think there will be much of a quality difference between the sheets.
11 Sep 2016 16:13:49
What about 55? Guess that will just have to wait eh! Lol.
Never thought I'd see the day the mighty 'Rangers' would gratefully accept 2nd place! How times have really changed eh!
11 Sep 2016 17:25:43
Absolutely as it will mean we will have justified our second biggest budget, found out our best team, outperformed our likeliest rivals and will have a shot at qualifying for the Europa League which might tempt King or more likely others to put more money in. By the way, Wiss 81 contrary to what you no doubt believe not all Rangers (note the lack of italics) supporters are arrogant b***ards with an over inflated sense of who we are and where we're at. We can be realistic and we certainly got a very large dose of that yesterday. We can also be optimistic though and that makes me hope we can beat you at least once this season.
11 Sep 2016 20:26:10
To be honest, I will accept third place if I see something that suggests a commitment to develop and improve.
This would mean signing two quality young players in January, at least one of which would be a centre back and the other a player that has captained his side and shows leadership qualities. If it happened to be a centre back then that would be a bonus.
I genuinely believe that Wallace's inability to lead the team properly, (examples being Gough, Butcher and Amoruso), is as much of a problem as Kiernan being an accident that has already happened.
12 Sep 2016 16:36:30
2nd place is never acceptable for our club but giving the circumstances and our problems the past 4 year then it's the most realistic aim. King needs to give warburton cash to spend and we need european football to help bring money in. Then hopefully challenge for the title next season. No wonder we brought in players like hill and barton and senderos.
12 Sep 2016 16:43:49
Yes accept 2nd place but can't accept that performance from our defense week after week.
11 Sep 2016 22:24:58
I always look at it in terms of players we lost before we went down the leagues and what we could get in as far as scrambling players in who weren't the standard we would normally have got due to our finances at the time and who could we attract being out the top league and wondered how would Celtic have done in that situation, so I would take 2nd place because of all that it would be a roaring get success.
11 Sep 2016 14:51:31
Hate to say I told you so but I told you so.
Senderos is not what we need, pure desperation to bring him in. Unlike many I have watched him fail consistently throughout his career. His mistake could be put down as rustiness were it not for the fact his career is littered with stupid errors.
Warburton is beginning to look out of his depth. He is a league one manager and doesn't appear capable of thinking beyond that level. Rolsler set it up for him at Brentford, and several Brentford players hot out at his tactics (or lack of) after he left- one blamed his refusal to practice set pieces as something bthat cost them promotion to premier league. An inconvenient fact often ignored.
Bad enough not to have a plan b but for life of me I can't even see what his plan a is this season. Lost the pressing and pace of last season.
Recruitment in summer has so far proved to be a mistake- has actually made us a worse side. All we needed was three real quality players to address team's key weaknesses. Instead we have signed experienced players who haven't added anything to the team. One good defender, one good midfield and one quality striker was all we needed.
Bright side- windass and rossiter. Not much else.
Dave king has too many fans fooled and is making just that of them. He hasn't given the manager the backing required, but perhaps he too sees warburtons obvious flaws. Everyone else in Scottish football does.
Please look at the accounts before stating nonsense about king investing the money he said he would- lies from a shameless liar. Directors loans are not investments
Reality is Celtic are miles ahead, they sadly have much more quality in every position and they have money to spend. Unless we invest heavily then it will take much longer than the 2-3 years Mr mccoist quoted.
We simply must spend proper money on players of quality otherwise they will thump us again and again.
I expected a heavy defeat and worry hearts and Aberdeen will also give us a pasting.
11 Sep 2016 15:22:35
Manager has been found out this season only Inverness have conceded more goals than us and have a worse goal difference. We are struggling all over the park with only 7 goals in our first 5 games. We have went behind in 4 of the 5 games and only managed to scrape by Dundee and Motherwell. Senderos was a panic buy and Warburton has had 3 transfer windows to get the defence sorted but has failed miserably. His tactics are predictable and the team laboured.
11 Sep 2016 19:44:51
Okay, Mr. Nice you told us so. My question is though, if everything you say is right (and I don't disagree with a lot of what you said) where we get the"proper money" you're talking about. If you're right it won't come from King and his colleagues other than what they've put in already (in whatever form) and to get us through the season. If in January we're mid table and we need to spend, say, between 5 and 10 million to improve the squad in the way you suggest (is that proper money? ) where will that investment come from? . We have no line of credit, we can't do a share issue and getting out of the retail deal may well take years. If you're right and MW is indeed out of his depth that suggests he
would need to go along with big Davie as they seem to be a partnership. That too would cost as they've both just extended their contracts and replacements found adding to the cost. To me unless you know of a benefactor we don't know about or we have massive crowdfunding by the fans which King and co. don't seem to want. Otherwise all we seem to have is live with what we've got and hope for the best that it's not as bad as you fear.
11 Sep 2016 14:16:18
just exactly how many more times is Warburton going to come out with " we will learn from this "?
he hasn't learned how to change tactics and he certainly hasn't learned how to source a decent centre half, so listen Mark, its YOU who needs to learn most of all mate.
11 Sep 2016 14:43:50
He also hasn't learned that you need a leader on the park. Wallace is not a leader, he does not lead by example!
11 sep 2016 15:04:08
if you cast your memory back to the last 6 league games last season we scored 19 goals but leaked 21 that surely must raise alarm bells. you wont like my opinion guys but i think mark warburton is out his league in the premiership. remember his contract at brentford wasn't renewed for a reason.
11 Sep 2016 15:14:40
Yeah I'm fed up with that line and the other line about the players being frustrated in the dressing room. It seems to be his default setting when things don't go our way.
11 Sep 2016 15:39:05
Warburton ain't going to change and why should he? he believes his football can win league titles and good on him. at least we have a manager who has a system unlike all the other in the past. it was a freak game.
11 Sep 2016 16:02:30
wow good way to support the manager lads! people will be falling over themselves to join this club if this is the support people get.
11 Sep 2016 20:33:25
For me, Warburton is doing the best he can with the tools that he has been allowed to acquire. As a result of the Financial constraints he has taken risks and so far they are not working. While it easy to blame him for sticking with Kiernan what else was available. Difficult to understand why he went for Hill unless it was to accommodate Barton and that looks to have been a poor risk!
The same can be said for why he hasn't replaced Wallace as team captain. Wallace is a poor leader but there isn't a leader at the club outside the team management right now!
He needs a significant infusion of cash come January so he can sign at least a centre back and a proper team captain!
12 Sep 2016 03:08:48
am no so sure it was a freak game, we had two shots on target?
they had 9 n wis aw 50/ 50 success rate.
12 Sep 2016 19:30:07
Theres a fine line between success and failure. if mckays goes in then its a totally diff game and nobody could begrudge us that at that stage of the game, they then score against the run of play, then our 2 cbs are both off the park in the space of 5mins then they smell blood with barton at cb and mckay at lb so its hardly surprising they scored 5.
11 Sep 2016 13:15:50
Hi this is my first post on here . Really baffled by some of these comments regarding our team/ manager, yesterday we was beaten by the better team and it won't be the last time this season . Aberdeen/ hearts are also better teams than us at the moment! This will change given time, some so called supporters need to back the club and players at this tough time. In relistic terms we should be aiming for a top six finish in our first season. Everyone's allowed there opinion but we should support our team and get off players backs. For me we've made a mistake going for experienced pros with large wages. Last season was great giving youngsters and young players who had lost there way a chance. Would of been good to see how these players who won the championship and beat Celtic in the cup would of coped in the Top tier! We've supported our team through tough times and I'm happy to be back where we belong and in a few seasons we will be above Celtic again just as ally said and got slated for it! Trust warburton and weir and our board to do the best they can with the limited resources we have . We are the people.
11 Sep 2016 13:25:01
How can anyone defend the constant faith the manager has in certain players, how can the manager not pick up a decent centre half, why has he no alternative plan when things aren't going our way, why was a forward thinking player put on once the inept Kiernan came off? The game was lost and it was all about damage limitation yet he chose to chase a lost cause which resulted in a bigger humiliation. We are worse than last season and the manager hasn't got a clue what to do.
11 Sep 2016 13:48:10
Biffo can I ask what your attitude towards mw was after the semi final win. The cold facts are not to many of our players would get into there team to be brutally honest I can't think of any. Windass will improve the team and if crooks can play cb he will improve the team as well. I said on here after the Kilmarnock game that the defence is atrocious I think Wallace is struggling and I actually think tavernier has improved defending wise. I fully support mw but to a certain aspect I understand what your saying also if he sticks to the same team and tactics all season even when there not working then he will come under severe pressure.
11 Sep 2016 13:51:06
TBH, from what I've seen, quite a few people have stood by the manager and have given him credit for previous achievements and not given him or the team anywhere near the criticism you'd expect after the start the team's had.
We haven't just went for experienced players though. Windass, Rossiter and the little we've seen of Dodoo has made many fans extremely positive about the future. Crooks still to come in and Holt to come back, both are relatively young.
Think the criticism stems from the lack of concern from the manager at the state of the defence. Hill and Senderos being two signings for CD is quite shocking to be fair.
If he had as much as a fraction of the concern the fans have for that position, Warburton would have shelled out money for better players. Nelson, Lescott, Ball, Espionsa and Mariappa are just a few names we were linked with and couldn't get over the line for whatever reason.
Senderos and Hill aren't just second choices or alternatives, they are, seventh, eighth choice.
That's abysmal.
11 Sep 2016 14:48:11
He could only shell out money for the quality of player that you refer to in that money was available and while I am with you 100% on how useless our existing centre backs are I would question whether Warburton or, kore likely, King is the one that should be criticised!
11 Sep 2016 17:01:37
Hooly78
I have consistent said I felt that Warburton should only be judged once we got into the premiership. That didn't change with the semi final result.
11 Sep 2016 12:46:45
I feel that we brought in 2 many players in the window. History has told us that teams that add large numbers to their squad in one window tend to struggle and lose all sense of direction. We should have bought 5 quality hungry players and integrated them into our style of play and kept the mainstay of last year's team. Warb did brill bringing in young hungry player last year but appears to have changed his policy by adding Barton Hill ect imo he should have added the wages together of Hill Barton kranjar gilks and all they players that left and bought a young hungry centre half and midfielder and added to them to a successful team.
11 Sep 2016 13:08:00
Yeah good post mate it would have been better to add 5 quality players which included a keeper, centre half, centre midfield and a striker. Build the spine of the team and then supplement the rest of the squad. Problem was we were going to lose about 7 or 8 players and had already paid for having a smallish squad.
11 Sep 2016 14:13:00
Last season we had very little choice in who to play in games, including the SF against them.
This season we have too many options in the centre of the park and up front.
That centre of defence isn't a Rangers defence, so won't even mention the lack of quality options we have in that position. That goes without saying.
11 Sep 2016 14:39:45
I have always gave Warbs the benefit of the doubt . I hope he turns out to be a great manager for us and brings success in a way we have never had before . I'm all for attacking football, but he must build from the back and every bear at ibrox last season could see we desperately needed a centre half . That should have been his number 1 priorty. We will always score goals . But we need to stop them going in. And I'm sorry to say this but he has made a major blunder in not getting a commanding centre half . Yesterday was a wake up call and I hope a man of his intelligence takes this on board . Managers become great mangers by constantly learning . I hoping Warbs is there for a long time as I believe he could be great for us but he must realise it's not about just attacking . In saying that MOH is the most direct player we have and because his ball retention is poor he's on the bench . That is not right. MOH takes risks, this is what makes him dangerous and unpredictable. And defenders hate that . Let hope we go on to better things with Warbs.
11 Sep 2016 14:50:47
It is not just the shambolic defence where we have the problem but when you don't have a leader on the Park it certainly doesn't help. By all means reward Wallace for loyalty but he is not a Captain, not a leader of men and certainly not in the mould of past Captains of our club.
11 Sep 2016 19:23:11
he's one of the worst players in our team and he's captain. he's God awful every time forrest went near him I was scared for him!
12 Sep 2016 13:08:24
It was quantity over quality due to guys leaving, he should have pushed the boat out and got Aluko and players like that and forgot about Barton and Kranjcar, a couple less but getting as best quality that we can possibly get.
11 Sep 2016 12:26:01
Hopefully warburton gives ohalloran more gametime now, and also brings in crooks amd bates and gives them a chance. Also hope he gives windass and holt both a game as well.
11 Sep 2016 14:51:57
He should build his team round Rossiter and get rid of those that are simply not good enough!
11 Sep 2016 18:50:36
Tom42,I would like to see a midfield 3 of rossiter, holt and windass with o'halloran, garner and mckay as our 3 forwards, what do you think of that mate?
11 Sep 2016 20:23:46
I like that line up youth pace and enthusiasm.
11 Sep 2016 21:45:09
I agree tom. rossiter or crooks as cdm, if barton wants his place back hel have to prove he's worth it. Then would definitely find somewher to get ohalloran bk in and forrester. Get the boy bates a few games see how he copes.
11 Sep 2016 12:11:08
how about this revolutionary idea. why don't we get behind the team, back the manager back the players we've signed were 5 games into the season do you not think celtic will slip up, too many doom and gloom merchants on here we have a lot of new players still getting used to each other, we will come good 100% I'm confident we will either win league or a close second, the so called supporters out there saying we will be lucky to get second spot and could be mid table get a grip of urself u aren't rangers supporters!
11 Sep 2016 12:20:20
Aye maybe Wilson and Kiernan will finally gel after 14 months. If you think we are going to catch up with Celtic this season you're having a laugh.
11 Sep 2016 12:21:04
Unless Hearts and Aberdeen are inept this season, we will have a tough time getting second. Yes, the team has failed to gel and need to get a grip soon, but I don't see how you can be so positive with what has been on show so far. We were shown up by an improving, but still average at best, Celtic team, that was the most embarrassing thing.
11 Sep 2016 12:48:17
Yesterday i will admit i was a jt harsh but after tht defeat can you blame people. No one wants to have a go at the players and staff we wanty support our club but how can you not be pi**ed off about that performance yesterday. But let's dust were selves dwn take it on the chin get back up and have a right good gp again and back the team and hope they come good and gel like we keep sayin.
11 Sep 2016 12:19:39
You still drunk? Win the league!
It's not the championship anymore.
11 Sep 2016 13:04:01
the reason I'm so positive mate is celtic aren't nearly as good as people think, since brenda has come in he's had everything go his way, let's not kid ourselves celtic have been jammy as anything getting to champs league, also lucky to beat hearts away and st johnstone nearly came from behind to grab point, the honeymoon period will end mark my words I'm predicting the honeymoon period will end with clear Barcelona thrashing them on tues then its a tough trip to inverness let's see how they get on then.
11 Sep 2016 13:10:06
Even after a heavy defeat some people still aren't in touch with reality.
11 Sep 2016 13:27:52
please enlighten me to "reality" 5 games into a season with 1 defeat away to celtic.
11 Sep 2016 13:33:36
They shall get pumped in Europe and I don't even think celtic supporters are expecting anything else. You say the have been lucky, that's them played last season's top 3 and rangers with 12 points out of 12.
They shall be lucky to lose 2 games in the league.
11 Sep 2016 13:48:39
lucky to lose 2 games all season and your asking if I'm still drunk lol like i said everythings going there way as typically does when a new manager takes over but that will soon end.
11 Sep 2016 14:31:32
Guys, Celtic fan here. I'm not here to gloat or wind up. You got beat, heavily, there is a gulf between the teams but there is a gulf between Celtic and everyone this season. You guys shouldn't be worrying about Celtic. Yes Hearts and St J were tough games for us, they should be but we won. IMO that's where you should be focusing on, not on us. Don't forget we just gave Aberdeen a do in as well. I'm not a bigot, never have been, not even a Catholic tbh and I am glad Rangers are back up regardless of the politics involved or who the mother company is. If you had views like myself, or even a tiny bit of common sense you should want Celtic to do well in Europe. It tires the team for 1, but aside that if the football mafia, UEFA, keep mucking about with who gets what we want our league to be in as strong a position as possible or guess what NOBODY GETS in and NOBODY GETS CASH. That being said, no Celtic fan is expecting anything out of pretty much the group from hell. Barcelona even rested players ahead of Celtic coming so I agree we will get pumped. But I am a Scot, ill enjoy it none the less.
I will say my biggest disappointment was reading the news today about the damage your fans have caused. Its a shame because most have been reported as well behaved.
{Ed039's Note - damage is done in the away end in majority of old firm games, whether it is seats, graffiti or toilets, I am surprised the coverage it got to be honest, I am not condoning it because it is disgraceful and will cost Rangers, it's just that it's happened plenty of times before and will happen again but this time was widely reported as if it's new news)
11 Sep 2016 17:40:38
Fair point to make Ed. I'm aware it was endemic in the past, guess it was wishful thinking a new era had eradicated it. Suppose it really is wishful thinking to think things will ever change between our clubs and fans.
I would always support Rangers in Europe tho, unless its against Celtic ;0) or actually winning it. Couldn't bear tha lol.
11 Sep 2016 11:38:16
these players that have came in to the team this season in my opinion should not have been bought hill sendoros barton are not good enought and two slow kranjkar is a maybe but his lack of pace doesn't help us the money we spent on garner should have bought a centre half instead if not two we have enough players at can play there in my opinion dodoo rosieter garner windass and crooks are the only ones that we should have bought do not believe in this nonsence ypu need experience players we are paying a heft price way trying to add experiece.
11 Sep 2016 12:30:16
Kranjar is well off the pace. He should never be in midfield . Just behind the strikers perhaps but he's so slow nowadays I'm not sure he is the answer. Watching him tackling like a big lassie yesterday was nothing short of embarrassing .
11 Sep 2016 11:16:48
One or two decisions taken by the club are really coming back to bite us, for example, many have already highlighted our failure to capture a centre half but also letting go Gasparatto, I feel, was a big mistake. Big Luca would have been miles ahead of what we have now.
I think yesterday signaled that we are in big trouble if we don't address our backline. Aberdeen and hearts both have the capabilities to tear us to pieces and I'm sorry but if we fail to finish second then it should be bye bye Warburton.
11 Sep 2016 11:22:57
Gasperatto surely can't be worse than Kiernan and as I
Posted yesterday we should have tried to sign Vaulks from Falkirk. Instead Warburton opted for a 37 year old, Kiernan and a panic buy in Senderos. As someone mentioned earlier he actually looked relieved to have been sent off. Warburton has been given some money to spend and probably increased the wage bill yet we are worse than last year.
11 Sep 2016 11:30:58
How would he be miles better when he couldn't make the bench and was released.
11 Sep 2016 11:32:56
We've got to realise where we are and stop getting ahead of ourselves. Yesterday hurt but it ain't like we've not lost an old firm before. We will win further ones in the future. We have the best management team in years. Progressive, gives youth a chance. He could change the system more often but overall I'm happy that we are a work in progress.
The team has not gelled yet and were in a period of that happening and the players from last season getting used to playing in the top league. We will get there once our finances are freed up. When kit sales are back on our hands. Possibly crowd funding for new players would be an option until all is in place. If we want success we need to explore all options in the current circumstances.
Yesterday was a learning curve, just need to grin and bare it.
11 Sep 2016 11:41:25
RossW
Missed you yesterday mate thought u were away having tea with Lord Lucan. Do you still think the defence isn't as bad as a lot of people think and that Kiernan is still the answer?
11 Sep 2016 12:02:59
We should be in for Bougherra as cover now. We can surely snatch that deal from Killie. At least he knows the score. Kiernan was absolutely terrible yesterday. Give the guy from Raith a chance. Can be any worse.
11 Sep 2016 12:23:39
Gives youth a chance? Big game yesterday and he played Barton, Kranjcar, Miller and Senderos. Not exactly youth is it. Not denying he is better with the youth but Rossiter had been our best player and surely Gasparatto would have been better than Senderos and Kiernan.
11 Sep 2016 12:43:09
I would have liked to see that McCrorie and bates been given there chance now. They can't be any worse than Kiernan. Against RC if Wilson is fit I would play the following
Wes (played well yesterday)
Wallace
Bates
Wilson
Tav (great pass for our goal)
Rossiter
Windass
Holt
Waghorn
Garner
Forester/ O'halleron
Miller just misses out but he ran himself into the ground yesterday. McKay on the bench as I felt he played well but needs to up his performance and being dropped would show there is competition for his place.
11 Sep 2016 15:08:53
I am amazed that Wallace consistently escapes criticism. If he had an ounce of leadership capability then, despite how chronic our central defence is we would have someone driving the team forward! That apart, he has been pretty poor this season while Tavernier has improved his defensive ability!
11 Sep 2016 11:04:56
First of all absolutely devastated with the defeat but that's what happens when you play a better team, you get punished for your mistakes.
I know it was senderos' first competitive game for us but what a shameful display he should be hanging his head in shame, and Joey Barton looked scared to put a tackle in what did we sign him for again? niko was chasing shadows if that's him match fit them his careers over.
The only blame I leave with warburton is starting niko over Halliday, halliday was great last time both sides met and knows what it means to play for rangers he would've gave us a bit of fight in the midfield as the midfield was totally powderpuff yesterday.
Again severely dissapointed but there's 2 more games against that mob left, with players coming back from injury etc we should have a fully fit squad and must know exactly what our full strength first 11 is and get it sorted quick. Yes the title might be in that teams hands but plenty of games left we should realistically be fighting for 2nd place but take it one game at a time and you never know what can happen.
Move on to the next one.
12 Sep 2016 12:00:23
FWD what injured players are we missing mate. That team that started and finished is our strongest team bar none. That is the worry; we can't strengthen even if DK would release his much publicised £30m. I am afraid what other teams will be able to do against our midfield and defence.
11 Sep 2016 10:46:37
Mark Warburton is the best thing to happen to our club in a long time.
He's changed a lot in a short space of time.
But will the fans opinions be the same as his own?
He did say he won't be given two, three years to get Rangers back to the top.
It's only five games in but when does a start become more than that? After ten games seems appropriate. Not one good 90 minutes after ten games would be totally unacceptable.
Where does that leave Warburton?
If come January the club is in a precarious position, sitting around fourth or fifth, will he get the sufficient help to boost the team, or will he even get that long?
11 Sep 2016 10:55:13
Thorn76
What's he actually achieved to make you say that?
11 Sep 2016 11:15:35
i think we really need to put things into perspective the difference between celtic and rangers yesterday was dembelle and sinclair 2 players they've paid a lot of money for in either transfers or wages, when u watch game back we didn't play that bad barrie mckay misses chance to make it 2-2 then celtic scored against run of play to make it 3-1 then we lose to cbs minutes later and last 20 minutes were playing with no centre half its fine lines were not nearly as bad as OUR own supporters and pundits are making out take into account our best midfielder in wee holt was out and our top goal scorer last season wasn't fit, we will come good I'm 100% certain of that.
11 Sep 2016 11:16:31
Anyone wanting rid of Warbs please answer these two questions -
Who would you realistically like to replace him with?
Could we afford to offload him and pay a new manger?
11 Sep 2016 11:24:43
Naz
Good points mate and your right we probably couldn't afford to get rid of him however it's hardly a vote of confidence in the manager.
11 Sep 2016 11:31:02
His has increased the number of centre backs at the club to four if we exclude the young lad from Raith Rovers and all he has done in the process is increased our wage bill and burdened us with four useless individuals rather than two. Kiernan is woeful, Hill is beyond woeful, Wilson is not playing to an acceptable level and Senderos is showing why he flopped at Arsenal. Our team captain is not a leader. He does not inspire the team, he cannot lead from the front and he is part of the problem. This has not been addressed and indeed a good quality player in the Championship is now looking less than mediocre in the SPL.
He bought in Barton and Kranjcer, two raging professionals with good CV's but rather than seeing winners that would add to the team, (as we did with older players such as Wilkins during the Souness era), it is more reminiscent of the jokers that we aw join the club under McCoist!
We are stuck with what we have, proem, we have some good players, but not enough of them and no leadership on the park.
We need to start planning for next season now. On the park it will be a problem because we appear to have recruited the wrong people and we still need two quality centre backs and a team captain that can lead us forward in the mould of Greig, Caldow, Butcher, Gough or Amoruso.
In the Boardroom we need a revolution similar to the one we saw under Lawrence Marlborough. Either King has the financial clout to Improve the quality of where we shop for players or he needs to go out and find the Investors that can do this.
This will be no easy task but without a fundamental rethink across all aspects of the Club we will be a middle of the league team for the foreseeable future nd that is embarrassing in Scotland, but right now it is a one team leafue just as it was last season!
11 Sep 2016 11:31:59
Any analysis of a football team after a severe thumping from their bitter rivals is not the best time to appraise things but, there are certain things that we cannot hide from.
1. Our central defence is pitiful, and has been while MW has been in charge, apart from short periods when we played with a deep defensive mid-field player.
2. Apart from a basic system we cannot adapt our play during a game. If it works on the day, great, if not we are effed.
3. Call it plan B, C, D or Z, we are not able to put a team out to counteract our opponents.
In my opinion, no matter the improvements made, unless we can change our tactics, we will never close the gap.
And although MW has continually stated that the board fund his requirements for our team. Is that the case or is he just toeing the party line.
11 Sep 2016 11:37:35
5 games in and were talking of getting rid of the manager is a joke, this is the same supporters that will be singing warburtons magic if we turn things around.
11 Sep 2016 11:44:18
TOM42
Good post a lot of great points.
11 Sep 2016 10:00:20
Firstly, think we have to hold our hands up and say we got beat by a better team - unfortunately the best Celtic have been in ages, prob since O'neill. However, the manner of our defeat was disappointing - no heart, no spirit and at times no clue. Our three most experienced players - Barton, Krancjar and Senderos were all poor, when we needed them most - Barton was ineffectual and so far not sure what he is meant to bring to team, milk turns quicker than Krancjar and Senderos looked lost - he looked relieved to get sent off.
I think the first 5 games have been a reality check for fans - myself included. After the semi i think we all thought we could go on and compete. We clearly need time to adjust, find our best team and way of playing. We stuck by the team in the bottom tier, so we should be able to do it in the top league. Just remember Advocaat got beat 5-1 on his first visit to Parkhead and then went on to win league - maybe its an omen haha
Warburton needs to quickly find his best team, and i would drop as many as players from yesterday as possible - we couldn't even get out our own half, all season we have wanted a team to come out n play against us but yesterday when a team did we couldn't get out our own half - only Windass was able to take the ball and drive forward. Last season although our squad had weaknesses it had a togetherness and you could tell the players were playing for the jersey as well as the manager - we had a method of playing and the players bought into it and played it every game.
We don't have that spirit this season, potentially from buying too many players but something has to change so its an important time for Warburton and Weir - i'm confident they can do it, yesterday was awful, but it could just be the wake-up call our players and manager needed. Celtic set the benchmark yesterday, we now need they players to react to it and show what it means to play for Rangers.
11 Sep 2016 09:46:21
there are some positives to take from yesterday. we were good at times the first 25 min 1st half and first 10 min in second half. and now we know which players aren't up to the job.
11 Sep 2016 10:45:36
Here's a fact people is there a plan B me for one I think it's all so predictable Keirnan after the Scottish cup final shouldn't have been allowed near the team again that's my opinion we're years away from that mob 🇬🇧😓.
11 Sep 2016 10:58:01
Jason Brown
That's the kind of comment I would expect from the Motherwell or Partick Thistle manager about being good in spells during the game. Think you'll find a lot of teams will compete in spells at Celtic park and still get cuffed like we did.
11 Sep 2016 11:22:09
Biffo316 - I was actually thinking something similar, Malta versus Scotland last Sunday. Malta did compete for spells but were clearly vastly inferior in every way.
I am a Warburton fan but some of his signings recently have baffled me. Last year we looked young, fit and vibrant, yesterday we did at times look like a Dad's Army of a team. Does anybody know the average age of both teams btw?
11 Sep 2016 11:45:20
Naz
Exactly mate great point about the Malta game last week.
11 Sep 2016 09:07:38
Putting yesterdays result aside, hard as it was to take, i think we were starting to come together, we all knew deep down that game yesterday was going to be like that, but what can we expect when warbs was happy with that "defence" and also not willing to change shape etc, we should never have went there on their form with that shape, plus the fact they woulda been chomping at the bit to avenge last seasons result! Now back to my point, will we still be slating these guys when we start to come together and get on the winning track? Because to me surely we bloody will, we do have decent players and its now time to see if warbs will have the balls to drop these big earner non showers, and start giving o'halloran, forrester, holt etc the starts they DESERVE for their work they put in? he's got to go to training sessions now and start working on other formations etc, something has got to change, it must and if warbs has any managerial brain he must see it too!
11 Sep 2016 09:40:49
I agree daz, unfortunately a lot of us have been saying this for a year or so now. And far from being negative, EVERY team we play know how to play against us. Am worried the man only has one 'hat'.
11 Sep 2016 09:41:36
absolutely right mate. case and point josh windas cracking player!
11 Sep 2016 16:32:33
Windass, holt, forrester, ohalloran, even crooks is decent, watched a good bit of him last season when i knew we had him coming, this team will be great with the right changes, and if we scrape through to january with a not so bad points and goals tally, then King has to cough up pronto and being in at least 2 cb's, we desperately need them, but then again, what good are these new solid cb's when they're always left with a rapid countering 3-4 players charging at them because of a system that leaves them behind like a fallen soldier in war, king and warbs must step up their game.
11 Sep 2016 07:50:58
This was a game tailor made for O'Halloran. No, a 36 year old is a better option. Call it the Rooney factor, got to play Miller somewhere. Is it set in stone in Warburton's template that Miller and Kiernan must start? If so we can write this league off right now.
11 Sep 2016 09:21:42
Kfraser Rangers never had a chance of winning this league in the first place never mind writing it off! The squad is full of over the hill players who have rolled up on a free. Warburton needed a minimum of £10 mill in transfer funds alone just to mount a challenge. Then money for wages on top. even with £10 mill in funds it might mot be enough to mount a serious challenge. 2 months ago Warburton was the best manager in Scotland. Now the reality of the situation rangers have been in all along is sinking in. there is no investment coming in. Rangers will already need more funds from shareholders this season just to get through the season. So until substantial funds come in this is how it's going to be. No manager will get any better performances from that squad. May as well go play younger players with legs because there is no energy in that team. rangers are no better now than Aberdeen or hearts. Not on Celtics radar.
11 Sep 2016 09:43:16
We will find out soon enough about Aberdeen and hearts and Ross county and inverness
Hang on to you seats it's going to get rough, the next month or so.
11 Sep 2016 09:45:17
How was he the best manager in Scotland 2 months ago? What do you base that on?
11 Sep 2016 10:01:16
Johnnymac
Don't talk rubbish saying no manager who get better out of that squad. That's Warburton's team and his persistence in playing Kiernan defies belief. He wouldn't know a decent centre half of he saw one and his teams can only play one way. When Kiernan went off at 3-1 to bring on an attacking player when the game was lost was staggering incompetence. The team were in complete disarray and we were hammered.
Coming out with statements saying we competed with them for 60 mins is the kind of thing you expect from the Partick Th manager. Warburton has been found out and has no idea what to do.
11 Sep 2016 11:07:36
Warburton only had 50 odd gamesas a manager before going to rangers he just comes out with his wee managerial powerpoint presentation sound bitesand folk lap it up thinking he knows his stuff? I love his coaching it is hilarious playing out from the back just put a dodgy defence under more pressure yesterday. No money to spend on players i can't see rangers competing for years and years?
12 Sep 2016 08:46:33
Hit nail on head. kfraser. also Barton and krancjar have added nothing to the team on a cracking wage as well if they don't vastly improve a would try move them on for £500,000 each in January.
12 Sep 2016 11:12:07
A bit harsh there biffo he did change it to 3 at the back when kiernan went off then that big cart horse senderos goes and handballs it, it was hard enough then at 3-1 then I will agree with you that we completely lost the plot after that.
11 Sep 2016 07:38:14
To continue to play the 433 at a higher level requires your CHs to be accomplished ball players and comfortable in possession. Rob Kiernan nor Phillipe Senderos are not either.
Its actually a shame on Kiernan as passing is not his game.
Celtic are formidable at home so trying to outplay them (whilst sticking to your ethos) is blinkered.
The lack of physicality is very noticeable. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like big CF (Mark Hateley type)
The "spine" hasn't been sorted. As I have said before McAuley and Grigg would've went a long way to sorting it.
There were "not enough legs" in the middle of the park. Barton is a good player but you must give him passing options (like you do any player) .
Windass looks the best player and he should be given the 10 role.
Crooks and Holt will improve things.
11 Sep 2016 09:46:42
Also not in Kiernans game is tackling, marking and defending which is a pity when your playing centre half.
11 Sep 2016 10:13:31
mcauley is even slower than Clint Hill.
11 Sep 2016 11:46:59
McAuley is an beast of a defender 100 times better than Hill.
11 Sep 2016 11:54:04
McAuley continues to play at the highest level, was given a new contract by a well respected manager and (maybe most importantly) is a leader of men.
11 Sep 2016 07:10:25
Free to good every good bear.
Large portions of humble pie.
11 Sep 2016 08:15:15
Not all of us are delusional and a lot of us saw this coming.
11 Sep 2016 10:26:11
Is that the same humble pie that you lot seemed to avoid the last time, as biffo said a lot of fans seen this coming so tbh no pie needed thanks though.
12 Sep 2016 09:52:20
I can actualy see it coming again not just from celtic. hearts and aberdeen possibly.
11 Sep 2016 06:37:57
I would LOVE to hear your version of the game Racbob? Generally would love to see if your still confident and as pompous as you where in the buildup? Slating Rayman for getting a bit banter! You were very confident. Now that you're 5 points behind with Aberdeen and Hearts on the horizon, not to mention game in hand for the Champs. Scary times lol. Seriously though if you see Joey Barton please tell him to come out of of his his safe space soon! His family are getting concerned Mental innit that the self proclaimed best player (on his day apparently in the Spl) can get beat 5-1? Oh and sen.
11 Sep 2016 07:49:26
you lot played well, we never. well done enjoy your season, I just hope you lot don't bring out a dvd lol. if a don't laugh I will cry.
11 Sep 2016 03:53:15
I know I'm going to get slagged on this post but hey I'm like everyone else in having an opinion. After today we will be lucky to be in the top 6 at the end of the season. I hear people on here saying once we've geled we'll come good. Been a Rangers fan all my life but this season is hard to take, played 5 games and can effectively be 7 points behind already. MW said in his post match interview we've 8 out of a possible 15, percentage wise that's about 53%. We've played 4 of the lesser teams 2 scrapped wins and 2 draws. He only has 1 plan, if the opposition score 2 or 3 we'll score more but it just ain't happening. Personally I don't rate MW as a good manager, he has players that should be good enough but he's so content on picking his favourites even when they play badly. (Not good enough) Tell me this, how long is DK and other directors going to wait to see how long it takes to get the team playing and winning consistanly, the same goes for the supporters. Read on here today comments on Barton/ Kranjar could be gone at the end of the season, won't surprise me if that happens. MW's job could also be on the line, some of his decisions with staring 11 and subs have been unbelievable. We have players out because of injury, what's Wilsons injury, it happened during warm up for a game. How long before we see Crooks, MW said maybe a month ago he is a couple of weeks away from being ready yet still no sign of him playing. It's going to be a long hard season, don't think we'll see european football for a few years and the gap between us and Celtic will only get bigger. Time to be realistic, maybe Ally MaCoist is right in saying we're 2 to 3 years behind Celtic.
11 Sep 2016 08:05:46
Problem with Barton and Kranjcar is that their contracts are longer than just 1 year and I doubt very much anyone will come in for them. Their displays yesterday were predictably poor especially Kranjcar who at one pin seemed determined to get himself sent off. As I've said before Warburton seems to have a problem getting defenders and in Kiernan has one of the worst I've seen in a long time. I'd actually rather have Moshni or Cribari back rather than him!
11 Sep 2016 09:52:38
Scotsman, Rangers are 2 to 3 years behind Celtic. if Celtic stand still and if Rangers invest some serious cash in the team, Rangers may be able to compete with Aberdeen or Hearts for 2nd place but without investment next year and the year after will be the same.
King either comes clean and says money is coming and when and how much or it is a longer transition trying to introduce youth into the squad which may mean mid table for a couple of seasons. Bringing in Barton, sendros and co is not going to work but that is in hindsight. MW rolled the dice in the hope that experienced pros like Barton would work but it hasn't and now these players are sitting on 2 year contracts so Rangers can't just replace them.
Celtic have Ambrose, GMS, Allen and others who got bought by RD but Celtic have the funds to be able to write those players off or send them out on loan? So Celtic have a massive pool of players. Rangers don't, neither do Aberdeen or Hearts. What makes anyone think Hearts or Aberdeen can challenge Celtic even over the next 10 years, so why should rangers be any different?
No point in saying Rangers can just because it's Rangers. A new reality needs to set in. No shirt sales for 5 years, only gate and tv income. King won't put anything in until there is a better income stream so this is how it's going to be. Rangers may beat Celtic over the season but Celtic will win the league by 20 points until further notice.
11 Sep 2016 17:12:27
Johnnymac did you read my post or did you not understand what was written. I'd like to see your reponse to this post, if it's anything like your last one, I give up!
11 Sep 2016 22:33:35
Who says we won't have shirt sales a lot sooner than that, like next season?
11 Sep 2016 01:07:28
We matched them in the first 25. We outplayed them the first 15 minutes of the second half. How on earth can't we do that over 90 minutes?! I'll be very honest Warbs job is on a knives edge right now. If we don't pick up 6 points in the next 2 games 2nd spot will be hard to achieve.
11 Sep 2016 01:29:04
I agree in the first half hour. we looked comfortable even with Celtics possession they was not hurting us then of course sloppy goal from corner ruined it all. why MOH did not start ahead of Miller if that was our initial game plan is beyond me.
11 Sep 2016 03:03:18
Dilusion always loses to reality and class.
11 Sep 2016 03:18:49
5-1 without our best striker. coNfortable in some parts. Dominant in others😊, Time to ask why your defensive problems haven't been sorted. And that's just the start of it.
11 Sep 2016 04:49:03
The so called blue chip signings of Senderos, Hill, Barton and Kranjcar are what are killing us since the start of the season and the 7 points dropped. It is highly unlikely that Senderos was high on Warburton's wanted list and my view is that all of those mentioned were acquired on the cheap in the hope that we would get the best available for the non existent budget that was available. It would appear that the risk has back fired since all of them are not fit for purpose. Add to that the fact that Kiernan is a total liability and Wallace is not leadership material and there you have a major part of the problem! There is no simple remedy. In fact the situation is now worse because we have people on lengthy contracts that are non performers and will cost money that we don't have to remove them! These signings are almost McCoistesque, in fact even worse since they will be earning substantially more than the donkeys that McCoist brought in.
11 Sep 2016 05:35:19
Interesting comments and to an extent true but the sad fact of life is that as soon as Celtic found their feet we were under the cosh and every time they came forward we expected the worst.
We canot defend corners and in general we have too many mediocre or poor players in the team. Amazingly young Rossiter, one of our better acquisitions was not on the bench while the totally useless Hill was. Are we really that badly off for centre backs that this total liability is anywhere near the team.
There are some positives but a lot of negatives from our display today and from the players deployed.
The positives such as they are, Foderingham played well and saved us from an even greater defeat. He looked confident coming out to clutch balls and showed some very encouraging signs for the future. Both going forward and now defensively, Tavernier is our best defender, Windass and Gardner look to be good acquisitions. Holt will soon be match fit and in Rossiter we have one of the most promising young English midfield players and a lad that captains his International team. Crooks should soon be fit and the indications are that this lad will be a positive acquisition and we have young Dodoo to come back from injury and he is a young lad with potential. We also have the young Raith Rovers lad that is on loan with a view to a permanent signing. Forrester has looked more than decent in the games he has played and he has the potential to improve.
Unfortunately the negatives grossly outweigh the positives. Wallace has been poor since day one this season and he is not and never will be the captain we need because his leadership qualities are non existent. He has so far looked to be struggling in this league. Kiernan is simply terrible. His passing and reading of the game is poor. He fails to be a commanding centre half, poor positioning, poor defensive headers and poor tackling. He should be no where near the team. Hill, a total waste of a salary and a liability. Wallace, struggling big time in this league and simply not captain material. He is not a leader of men. Barton and Krancjar, both too slow and Barton seems to have lost that winning at all costs mentality that we saw previously.
Miller is finished and McKay has been poor in all our games so far this season. Halliday is struggling and Waghorn has been out injured.
We have little idea as to MOH ability because he isn't given a chance. He has to be better than what we are seeing from first team players at present.
So where do we go from here, well we have the nucleus of a good team, the problem is that the spine is broken. We don't have a quality centre back on our books, we don't have an effective leader on the parkland we don't have the quality needed at centre forward to compliment Gardner! We need to sign quality not quantity, starting with two centre backs and we need a striker. Perhaps we also need a left back and we certainly need aLeader on the Park. The problem is that even in the unlikely event that King provides funding we can't sign anyone until January, (unless they are on a free), If Warburton persists in looking only to Scotland and England we will not solve the problem.
11 Sep 2016 07:50:35
alot of our players weren't fit, miss8ng a few aswell. 10 men no centre backs. don't bring our the we didn't have griffiths card because if he was playing you wouldn't have scored 5 because he isn't half the player dembele is.
11 Sep 2016 08:14:36
Think Rossiter was injured. Agree the team is in a mess and at certain points of the game we were in complete disarray. We may have competed for parts of the match but we created next to nothing during that time and their keeper and defence had nothing to do. The reality of the game is we were swatted aside by a vastly superior side. It was like they were playing Partick Thistle at home yesterday and sadly at the moment we are an irrelevance to them. We will struggle to be top 3 and can any of us truly say we would be confident of beating any premiership team away from home.
11 Sep 2016 10:40:03
You matched us in the first 25 minutes? Really guess you didn't see the game we had 92% of position admittedly could not get a good shot at goal with you playing 9 men in the box not slating that but really take the blinkers of you were out played the full game we let you have the ball in your half at the start of the second half but once you crossed the line we just took it off you.
11 Sep 2016 00:37:32
A big shout out for "The only show in town :. For the last 2 weeks, I explained Reality mate. Predicted gubbed ny the hoops, mabe a cheeky point V RC next week, then gunned by the sheep. I apologise for saying the League would be done and dusted by Xmas. I should have said by Halloween.
11 Sep 2016 02:38:24
I was missing you mate, good to know you enjoyed the win today. Better team won today. League is yours I don't doubt that for a moment, I will happily take 2nd right now, end of the day there wasn't much we could do when down to 10 men. I felt we matched you the first 20-25 minutes and completely dominated you the first 15 of the 2nd half however it wasn't to be and the quality of celtic came through.
11 Sep 2016 08:21:51
Onlyshowaround
I think we will be doing well to be 2nd and with Aberdeen and Hearts away to come soon it's going to be very difficult. Your right we can forget about the title a and we have become an irrelevance to Celtic. It was like watching Kilmarnock or Motherwell against Celtic yesterday. We were destroyed.
11 Sep 2016 00:06:13
Totally gutted about the result especially the margin but i know this sounds a bit mental we will come good. windass what a prospect that young lad is, my only negative is what is the blind faith in Barry McKay all about? Forrester (form wise) should have played. boys, no surrender!
11 Sep 2016 08:17:59
Djkorjat16
Do you not think the inclusion of Kiernan is negative? I agree McKay wasn't great however he was by no means the worst and there were at least 6 players worse than him.
12 Sep 2016 09:11:12
Apparently King has funds for Jan, too late by then I know, it was quantity over quality because of the players that left, he should have pushed the boat out a bit and got Aluko and forgotten about Barton and Krajncar, Celtic went for quality as they could afford it and didn't need too many but we should have got the best WE could get.