Rangers Banter Archive April 12 2013

 

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12 Apr 2013 19:19:27
Does anybody else think that Craig Whyte has just given Charles Green and co enough rope to hang themselves?

Paddy Malarkey

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12 Apr 2013 22:09:01
I get the feeling that it won't be long before Rangers are back in administration.
In fact I think it's inevitable.
A once proud club throughout the football world is now being dragged through the gutter.
If, and it's a big if, Rangers ever get back to being a force in Scottish football it won't be in the next decade.

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Whyte is yet another nail in Greens coffin, an empty Ibrox on Sunday would hammer it home

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@1 can you share with us your knowledge of why Rangers will be in administration again?

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Whyte is full of bullsh*t.
If he had any claim to The Gers it would be in the courts already as he seemingly as all ' the evidence ' at his disposal.

Mr E

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Green finished by your accounts then, there's no match on Sunday so an empty ibrox ensured.

We are all becoming as bad as the press second guessing everything, all the evidence the press has has come from whyte, reliable source eh? Papers saying Walter etc are demanding showdown talks, funny that they know all the behind the scenes info but none of them can get to the bottom of the purchase debate. Suggests to me it's a non-story! Regardless, follow the team, if green has been shady it will come out in due course, if he or anyone else had conducted a major con in the eyes of the world media, I don't think he's bothered about any protests etc.

Keep believing and support the team, we are more than a club but we aren't a political group like some of our neighbours believe theyselves to be, we need to remember that

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@2 Ibrox will be empty Sunday as the game is today? CheltBlue

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@3, You only survived this year because of the Share money, your two sponsorship deals cover about 60% of Sally's wages, you've got big earners who will happily stay and pick up their cash without playing. Attendances is your only solid income, and they're already falling faster than Sonny Liston did against Muhammad Ali. Wake up and smell the coffee mate.

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12 Apr 2013 18:52:59
Another claim via the media, why doesn't he just take Green to court?
Is it a case of cw wanting other people to 'fire his bullets'? just go to court and prove it, the more the delay and claims via the media makes me think this is a form of blackmail.
If I was taking someone to court I would be 'keeping my powderkeg dry' not flashing my evidence across the media for all to see. Remember this cw has been discredited by judges, sfa and currently under investigation by Police up here.
Just take cg to court and get it debated and decided there, the more he delays and displays in the media to me, means he was done up like a kipper and he ain't got anything. Put up or shut.

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Because going to court cost £50k just to lodge papers. when the media is free.

Media get sued if not true. so there is balance.

Also whyte wants damages from green, if green hands over £18mill, whyte will shut up (green claims £22mill in bank). so whyte has reason to ask (18million of them)

whyte pressuring share price - as each allegation undermines it (down 10% this week alone, costing green £1.4 mill)

but if green has already run Rifc into admin, then £18m damages claim from whyte will tip gers over edge.

its on a knife edge, AGAIN!

who bought 20,000 share on the stoke of the close of stock market. was that green - using whytes £137k to prop up a dead horse. !

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"If I was taking someone to court I would be 'keeping my powderkeg dry' not flashing my evidence across the media for all to see. "

if you have solid case why not publish. most cases are 50-50 and you don't want to give advantage away. but if its no-win no-fee and 100% dead cert. publish and get early deal. ?

who will defend green. he will have to pay upfront first.

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What you think CG does not know that he made CW a director of Rangers?

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I'm sure Mr Green is aware that Whyte has been totally discredited by a judge and has been proven tme and again to be a liar.

So it suggests to me that by not demanding his day in court immediately that Green wants to hide something big.

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@3 everyone is now suddenly believing cw, ah won't ask because that is obvious but get things confirmed first. Why doesn't he go to court? and forget about no win no fee lawyers. ffs

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Why goto court if he can get the fans to do his dirty work. The guys uses you one way or another. I bet he's not back in Glasgow anytime soon. Joe

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Whyte could have won vs ticketus. always a chance.

Green could win vs whyte

Whyte could win vs d&p

BDO could win vs D&P

it goes on and on.

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Timing. its all about timing.

mark zukerberg got £6 billion, his CFO got £2billion. despite fact his CFO signed contract that reduced his shares from 30% to 0. 03%

issue is contract was illegal, even though he signed it.

so green vs whyte - can go either way, but if green sold assets (ibrox) then whyte can win but green have nothing left. wheels within wheels within deals.

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12 Apr 2013 17:33:45
BBC reporting that the Board have finally shown some bottle and requested CG to explain himself at a meeting before the Clyde game. its going to be an interesting week or so.

RST have called for CG to immediately raise legal action against Whyte to challenge his claims in court once and for all but I think the Board should be making the decision for him and be allowed full access to the accounts to confirm the true financial situation and the ownership of the assets.

Seems to me that all this negativity could and should be easily sorted out by the Board with an open and honest show of unity to reassure all the fans with the facts and nothing less!

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The only problem with this m8 is if he shows them all the accounts and who owns the assets the rubbish would hit the fan big style so the chances of that are slim. BUT, personally I think they all know already and they were tryin to ride the storm but wee craigie has just hit them with a sunami. gary.

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Please bear in mind that the associate membership hinged on Whyte not being around, will that go too?

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Omg. honest show of unity.

On what basis exactly are you assuming that CG isn't lying through Craig Whytes teeth?

Did you see the STV interviews?

Or are you also still wondering why Whyte didn't just dip into his multi billion pound fortune to pay of Rangers debts?

Wake up! This rubbish you spout when you attack anyone who dares to ask reasonable, if probing questions of those in authority at your club is like a pheromone scent to every spiv, crook and city wideboy within a 2000 mile radius?

And you wonder how you club got into this mess!

Sheesh! Keep up, or shut up, for crying out loud.

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RangersMedia/McMurdo seem to thinks

"Its a media campaign against green".

but no-one forces green to talk to media, that's why he hired jabba. but being CEO of recently ipo stock green overly keen to talk.

and his lies catching up with him.

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12 Apr 2013 16:18:55
I'm just running this up the flagpole, it can't be anymore insane than some of the things in here, besides it is an interpretation and not a held opinion.

There is a big difference between bluster and professional suicide. The league is won, the bonus no doubt banked. Craig Whyte is coming over the horizon, all the plate spinning going on regards the Dallas Cowboys, Manchester United etc finally crashing to the ground. There being no way on the planet that the £10m warchest and keeping wages at 30% of revenue promises can BOTH be kept. The club losing a million a month. No real appetite for ST renewal after the Whyte claim. Internal disputes.

Could it be that Green's racist comment was professional suicide? Bonus, shares and salary, a nice little earner for the period of time involved and finally he has thought I don't need this anymore? The bluster is unravelling, links to Whyte are going to lose me what power I have, I'm offski.

Just an interpretation.

Gaz

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You jist mite be rite gaz, I think wee craigie has put the final nail in the coffin

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Not a bad attempt. But like everything else everyone is now believing cw.
Green as you says leaves, with a 'racist' tag on him, that would be near suicidal in this equal opportunity country. Companies would distance themselves from him, no business opportunity there.
He has to clear that one.
They've known that cw was threatening court so there is absolutely no sense in cg and his team revealing their evidence for their defence even with the media and fan pressure mounting, you only then let cw know what you have.
Best thing is for cw to raise the court action, the fans win because the truth will have to come out there. So tell cw to put up or shut up.
Of course that's just my theory.

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@2. Why would Green bother about another company? you think after this he will need the money? he has pocketed plenty, including a £350k bonus for a league win.

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Everybody can form and state their own opinions now but this lies squarely with the SFA. craigie lost to ticketus because he lied, (did, nt reveal all info)now its proven that green lied about association with whyte, the rangers were only leapfrogged into sfl3 because he assured them he was not involved in any way with craig whyte, if they don't cancel their membership there is something seriously wrong or they are corrupt. no excuses. gary

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@3 that money for the rest of his life? c'mon I know he is oldish but c'mon with his lifestyle.
@4 there has been nothing proven only shown to make you think it's real, cw goes to court and the same evidence is shown and proven to be true you are right, until then bravado, bluff expensive game of bragg. Take cg to court, why the delay with only threatening letters from a solicitor? I could do that.
Rangers were not leapfrogged, the sfa were happy with cw when he took over RFC- they said nothing, so were Lloyds, SDM and others including the spl- who also said nothing.
He came up with the £18m that Lloyds wanted- did they question where it was from?
meanwhile the rest of SDM's debt to Lloyds was what 3 times that with no obvious recovery other than buying the debt via share equity in his company. Lot more to this I am afraid to post.

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13 Apr 2013 10:52:21
Gary, that is absolute nonsense, there is no evidence yet that has been proven in a court of law that proves any claim CW was involved with CG.

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@6: surely the STV claim about Green signing Whyte on board must have you a little worried?

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@6. what about the signed documents. do you really think craig whyte would forge greens signature, I doubt it very much. that is a jailing offence, i'm sorry I just can't see him doing it. so the documents will go to the polis and they will verify the signature. what will you say then if the signature turns out to be greens as I think it will. gary

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12 Apr 2013 14:34:07
Green is finished at Ibrox. It would be better if he just goes quietly instead of dragging the club through more strife. The links to Whyte, the racist comment and his confrontational style have brought about his downfall and I doubt that there will be many people willing to defend him. Seems like the media is jumping all over the negative stories regarding him and will go hell for the leather to ensure he goes. Green has no one to blame for this but himself and if he isn't removed soon then Rangers could be back to where they were last February. Since Whyte took over the club has become a never ending pantomime stumbling from one crisis to the next and if something isn't done soon then it could really be the end of the road for the club if it isn't already. Very sad for all the true supporters of what was a once great club

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The problem and it is a very big problem is if Green goes he may take Ibrox with him. Whoever owns the ground effectively owns the club.
The mystery over the ownership suggests Green has us well and truly snookered.

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Dont forget charlie is in line for a nice bonus for winning div 3. that's always been questioned. now if he had gone before then he would have lost that, so as soon as that's in the bag all hell breaks loose. a nice wee racist comment, just the job and he's gone. the real game begins now and money will be gone. SDM could step in and buy it back with his 6m ebt money if he wanted. or maybe dave king, he's been quiet. it needs a new genuine buyer to step in and pay a decent price which puts the shysters out the picture. or let it all go and the fans start from scratch.

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Dave King would not pass the fit and proper person test with his South African troubles.

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Its all over for CG - STV released docs to show that CG countersigned a directors application for Rangers. even thought CW was banned as director. CG denied this completely two nights ago on telly - the man lies and lies again - he is finished.

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N3 why would dave king not pass fit and proper after all draig shyte did

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13 Apr 2013 01:07:32
Dave king isn't neccessarily banned, he is still in dispute in SA, but I hope he is ok, because he could be a godsend, and like A Johnston, he is a true blue, not like the shysters we allowed into our club, and MURRAY SHOULD HANG HIS HEAD IN SHAME, Tommyblue,

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12 Apr 2013 14:26:17
In the press today.

"Contrary to a couple of hopelessly ill-informed reports, McCoist did not deny having been told this by Green. He denied entering into discussions about it which is entirely different. "

Exactly what I said at the time.

Gaz

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Have you ever been wrong gazzy?

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Ahhh is that Tommyblue? If so have you forgot my name again? That's the difference between me and some in here I will admit when I'm wrong, got year Scotland declined World Cup invite wrong and forgot Rangers won the last old first division (74-75?).

I acknowledged both immediately, like getting blood out of a stone getting some of you to do the same.

Gaz

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12 Apr 2013 14:24:40
another 203K removed from the value of CG's shareholding today. shares now down to 66p. That's a total of 1. 4M he has 'lost' from top share price to now

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Why so much concern with shareprice? don't see this on every other clubs pages. The share price will rise as we climb the leagues.

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The big value is in the ground. He will want £50m for Ibrox. We have no where else to go. Hampden is closing for the Commonwealth Games, Parkhead is a non-starter, Firhill is far too small and requires upgrading.

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@1. Are you serious? Climbing the leagues will not affect the share price that much, till entry to the Top league. It's the big investors who must be getting spooked, what if the club has it's licence taken away?

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12 Apr 2013 12:23:37
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I have been keeping my powder dry for almost 1 year now.

I posted last May to say that Whyte was in with Green and got plenty of disagrees and rubbished by my fellow bears!

We need to stop giving Green our money now. That is the only way to get shot of him.

Hopefully he will go crawling to the Blue Kinights, Jim McColl, Brian Kennedy et al and ask them to take the club off his hands for somewhere in the region of £7 to £8 million.

Let TRUE Rangers people bring us up through the leagues with class and dignity. the Rangers way.

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And what makes you think they would be interested? The Rangers we all knew will never be the same again. Drastic cost cutting is needed, this might mean no spl for another 4-5 years. How many would support the team through this?

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Firstly Green does not own the club the shareholders do. They could buy his shares but no chance of him selling now. However the board have the ability to remove him from his position but he will still be biggest shareholder.

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What exactly do you mean the rangers way, do you mean overspend then leave new owner no option but to liquidate, do you mean don't pay bills, do you mean stick your head in the sand and blame everyone outside the rangers circle, or do you mean the way rangers were before murray when it was a proper club that was well run and answered to nobody, but most of your support will not remember those days

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12 Apr 2013 14:12:47
Share price has dropped to 66p today with shareholders off loading shares. The pressure is on the Board to act fast. We can shout conspiracy theories till our hearts content, but the money boys are probably thinking WTF is going on?

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There is no conspiracy. This is being caused by a reckless wage bill, which Ally must be held accountable for, and financial mismanagement. Any company with a burn rate of £1m per month and no credit facility will feel the pinch. Does a tumbling share price suit Green? He bought at 1p, so he will be covered and guaranteed to make cash on his investment.

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12 Apr 2013 17:14:14
1000' s of companys share prices go up and down every ---- maybe buying Rangers shares at todays price will turn out to be a wise decision and a great peace of business.

Irvine

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Maybe people are wanting to buy the shares at low price as they know they will increase.

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13 Apr 2013 08:56:34
ok re-mortgage your assets and buy them then. if such a good deal.

shares don't drop because there a good investment. the drop if there a bad one.

they don't go up with results. only money in

it will spike up but the trend from day one is downward

if any these links are proved and any claim on assets. watch the value of the club

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12 Apr 2013 14:03:23
Share price now dipping. club worth over 10% less then when it was released

every time we get bad press or person statements, were worth less

any other company. which we are would dismiss the individuals

the fact is despite winning league, shirt sponsors interim results. were worth less

investors who are now loosing money will dump

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12 Apr 2013 13:46:48
people were amazed when we raised 22m
who put there money in?
is Green a front for Whyte
why when rangers changed banks from rbs to lloyds did the whole world and there granny know everything about us
has Green any connection to singapore?
what does Traynor do for Rangers?
when will the police do anything about this mess
show us the deeds is brown right
why did Green come from knowhere with his bid?
why did the Rangers moneymen stand off?

a few questions i, d like answered anyone any more. Les

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Les, the share issue cash is shrouded in secrecy until the audited accounts are released. I heard weeks ago that the money, which is some way short of £22m, is not in the trading account of the club, but one of the various other accounts Green set up. He could stabilise the position by doing two things. Show the deeds and finally prove who owns the assets, and show the trading account details, no need for public domain, let Walter see them and he can tell the fans exactly what is what.

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12 Apr 2013 14:29:33
Who was amazed at the so called 22 million raised because everyone else (apart from fans of the rangers)knew it was a load of nonsense, especially when your communications director Traynor said only 9 million in total was raised. face facts administration is gona happen unless ibrox is full to capacity every game next season and that ain't gona happen, not with a 20% increase on ticket prices forecasted.

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Rangers did not change banks from RBS to Lloyds they changed from HBOS to Lloyds when HBOS was bought over by Lloyds.

Everyone knew how much was owed because it was in the accounts.

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Yes agree, as I no longer trust Green I would like him to step down
perhaps you could tell me the one that's stumped me the most. how did everyone and there granny know everything about us around that time
it had to be someone in the know within banking who had a hatred for us
i wonder who was in the right place at the right time. Les

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@4 FFS Les are you one of those who is forever going to put blame on other's outwith your old club. What difference doe's it make, who knew what, wake up man, Murray, Whyte, Green all had a hand in putting you where you are, I don't believe for one minute that they were the only one's within Rangers heirarchy who knew what was happeninig
Tam

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12 Apr 2013 08:07:33
CG facing 2 charges over racist remarks we know about the 1st one about "his friend". The other is a interview on radio clyde were he ends with alstair johnston line only the words round the right way (lol). Now this interview was done 7 months ago and someone has been sitting on it either to use now (cause the fans/media turned against CG) or hide it for ever. Why are we keep in the dark and alway last to know??

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They probably were holding onto it for a rainy day so to speak. Alternately, had he never said anything else of controversy throughout his time at Rangers maybe it would have got buried.

Want a real conspiracy theory? (and I'm of the opinion it probably is just that). Other folk within Ibrox wishing to show Green in a bad light perhaps said to friendly folk within Clyde "hold onto to it till we need it. "

All speculation, but Clyde should have played it at the time and Green shouldn't have said it in the first place but when have you heard that before?

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Green has already admitted that had one of the players used that kind of language then they would be out the door. Lead by example Mr Green and fall on your sword

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12 Apr 2013 15:42:21
There is no way in this world you can charge a man for saying No Surrender, that is absolute nonsense.

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12 Apr 2013 11:53:26
whats your thoughts on Tennants making official complaint to Rangers Board re- Greens racism remark or is it all timmy controlled Mhedia bumph again?? remember it is same company that owns blackthorn. JohnnyG

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When there is ever a Rangers negative story does the puppetmaster cover of The Godfather come into your mind and the theme tune play over it?

"Don Pedro Lawwell, what can we do to them this week?"

I think his real answer would be "We don't need to do nothing, they are making a big enough mess of it themselves. "

Gaz

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They don't like being associated with people who make stupid racist comments in public. not good for business when you consider they pay to be associated.

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Give it a rest. Any company would have to be seen asking questions about a company they sponsor and racist remarks.

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The sponsorship deal must now be in jeopardy and looks like the only way to rescue it is by removing Green. Green has to go for the good of the club otherwise we could be back to where we were last February. Green is a liability now and must resign as chief executive. Worryingly the chairman has hardly said much since taking on the role and begs the question what exactly is he doing at the club?

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12 Apr 2013 15:20:14
Op get a grip. Any sponsor would have done he same. They cannot be connected to someone who makes racist remarks. It is a risk to their own company. I fully expect puma to make a similar statement.

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I couldn't care less if Green likes a bit of banter at work but the minute you say something like that in PC Britain you are in big trouble.

And if anybody thinks there's a conspiracy behind it then they're a fool.

Walter Smith surely knows his defence that if we weren't such a small country you wouldn't have heard about Green's remarks is downright nonsense, just look at what happened to Martin Fitzmaurice the darts MC who will never present another TV darts match again after using the word P**i in a joke last week after the PC Brigade caught wind of it.

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@6: with references to 'the PC brigade' it seems you believe that it is their fault and not that of those using derogatory terms?

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Op going by your logic Whyte Lloyd's duff & duffer the other 10 spl clubs bdo and anyone else that says or does something against the rangers must be a Timmy. Take your head out your ar$e and get real. This is all down to Murray whyte green and to a certain extent you the fan.

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12 Apr 2013 09:43:10
league reconstruction, so they think new idea will create excitement/interest until season end, much easier way. 3 divisions of 14, divisions 1 and 2 have 4up and 4down, division 3 has 4 up and 2 down to junior with 2 coming up from there, that would sure cause some nippy rear ends but of course no chance of the self interest chairmen voting for it.

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12 Apr 2013 11:27:43
this has been dismissed due to the teams only playing 26 games and therefore reduced revenue for all clubs. where as SPL clubs may be able to make up some revenue with europe or glamour friendlies div 1, 2 and 3 does not have that possible revenue stream to fall back on no one is going to vote for reduced income of that magnitude. that's why 14, 14, 14 does not work and its only benefit is to rangers who could in all likelyhood skip a league

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What makes me laugh is that the chairmen who are in favour of this new setup also were in favour of previous reconstruction through the years. They continually say it is better for the game.
Look at where they have taken the game in Scotland to and they want to go on another adventure with promises of improvement. Improvement of what? the last failed system? and now they want to bring an already failed system into play.
Con men. It's all about securing their own and club's £s, the fans will swallow anything and watch anything.

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OP. I agree with most of what you say and mentioned it recently. I would simply go 14 team top division with a 7-7 split after 26 games. In total you would play 38 games as now.

There are a few reasons why it wouldn't appeal, but we seem stuck with a split, so let's do it.

Reason its OK:
1) 2 extra teams in top division (everybody wants new teams up)

2) The split would have 7 top teams instead of current 6 (pleasing somebody)

3) The top teams would all play each other 4 times (for sky) with a proper 2 home and 2 away (instead of stupid mix up just now)

4) 3 teams relegated. 1 via play off with 3rd, 4th & 5th in lower division (currently the 12th team goes down automatically, this way the 12th team would still have a chance. The lower league would have 2 up and a play off for the other place. More competition)

Most impotantly we need to try and take the absolute fear of the drop away with a proper parachute system and better distribution of money.

Reason it won't work or come in:
1) Clubs will vote in their own interest and seem to try and avoid extra teams and increased relegation.

Shuggy

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26 games? How did the old first and second divisions survive? they played 39. Simples.

LLSTMF

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N4 the 1st and 2nd div toiled since spl was set up they are skinto but not as skinto as spl I reallyhope recon is rejected that way way we will find out who needed recon

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12 Apr 2013 04:42:14
From now on the supporters are going to have a bigger say! what happened to that? Our supporters groups are rank rotten! Who's that young guy that's spoke up for us on the telly of recent? he's the only one who makes any sense to me. It's time for a new generation before there's nothing left. Cause if all we are bothered about is 442, and getting to the spl, we've missed the whole point!

The Club needs a voice, we need the whole support to get together to dictate the debate, and DEMAND change. Its up to us to put things right, a clear vision is needed, with some integrity as a foundation. This makes it difficult for spivs to hide under their smokescreens. That was our only way forward at the start of the season, Green has let us down.

Given Greens past, a share offer should never have taken place, not without a full season to EARN trust. There should have been a full disclose of deeds and all accounts, look at what happened at Sheffield! Spivs operate under a smokescreen of double speak, we need to stand up to Green and demand him to come clean.

THE SUITS ARE ABSOLUTELY 0 WITHOUT US! FACT!

We the supporters have generated far more than them, hands down. We need to arm ourselves with this truth and, together stand strong. Only then will we attract GOOD leadership that can take us forward and help repair some of the damage that has been done not just to our Club but to Scottish football. I haven't heard a word concerning compensation, or free season tickets etc to the small creditors as a good will gesture. When wrongs are put right, things on the park will fall into place!

Here's what I want to happen.

1. Green to come clean

2. Begin the process of departure

3. By showing that we the supporters DEMAND things be put right, we attract honest investors! Ask what kind of directors do we want? Possibly guys like P. Murray, A johnstone who were the only ones to warn us from the start, and done a good job reducing the debt, and they were free of ebt's. Investors like Parks of H, and J McColl? they won't touch us unless we are serious about being purged! You have to earn the respect of these kind of people as they have genuine wealth and good reputations!

4. After clearing the air, give Ally a proper crack at it, he's not even had a proper pre season! even if his job is only to get us back to the spl, my gut tells me that this is his sole purpose, I for one would be gratefull,

5. Live within our means!

6. Set up a fund for small creditors.

7. Play our part helping the Scottish game get back on track, and get back to enjoying fitba!

Demo at Ibrox to the end of the season, and withhold next seasons money! Get our terms drawn up and Peacefully force change. Stand strong, stay focussed, with a support like ours, change is on our terms! It's time.

Aye Ready.

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WOW yip can't say more than that i'm with you buddy. Les

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Ally given a proper crack? You've got to be joking surely he has proved how inept he is in what is the worst level of senior football. Poor signings shocking performances and even poorer fitness levels against part time teams. As for the boring pre season arguement! What kind of pre seasons do you think Elgin and East Stirling had?

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@2 they had more of a pre season than us and ally had a short space of time to put a team together so just cause your doing good in your champ manager on the computer disnae mean u no wit your talkin about. it says more about the scouting system that these guys wer the best of a bad bunch to choose from

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How does the lack of a proper pre-season explain arguably the worst result in the club's history coming on March 9th?

I really can see this club slipping into a coma from which it will never recover if some of you persist on finger pointing at anything and everything. Hints of Celtic getting blamed for Tennents being less than impressed with your loose cannon boss in another thread and now this, give yourselves a shake, man up and take responsibility for all things Rangers. On the park and off it. A big man in a green tie did it and ran away, pathetic.

I thought you made some very vaild and sensible points and then you spoiled it all with your pre-season nonsense.

You need to look at EVERYTHING analytically, no sentimentality whatsoever, a host of good suggestions tarnished by one attempt to excuse the inexcusable.

Not that it matters much but I was all for hitting the agree button till I got to your 4th point and then you completely lost me in 8 words.

Gaz

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@3 don't know if you are aware but we are up against part time players who have squads assembled at a fraction of the cost that McCoist had! McCoists team has struggled in most of the games this season and has been lucky on a number of occasions to get away with a draw. The performances have been shocking, most of the signings have been atrocious and we have been embarrassed in all cup competitions since he took charge. Not mentioning the 15 point lead that he squandered last season. He isn't the man for the job and it staggers me that some fans still can't see this. No wonder some supporters of other teams call us the gullible loyal

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Gaz

Totally spot on mate my heart sinks when the pre season argument rears it's head again. Talk about delusional! Just wonder how long people are going to use that feeble excuse. It's almost as embarrassing as the circus going on at the club since Whyte took charge

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Im getting tireed of hearing the same old. ' Mccoist didn't have a pre season' - well in my view he's had a full season - and after the first 6 games should have had an idea aboiut the players,. but oh no,, we are still getting this old nonsense,, - give it a rest -- - he's a useless manager and a yes man

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12 Apr 2013 02:16:12
Bears, insomnia can play tricks on the mind, ( it's 2 am!) but does anyone remember CG saying that he needed men like Walter at the club because he knew nothing about football?. but we now know CG played non league?. not a major point I admit, but, every little fib is starting to mount up I think.

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12 Apr 2013 01:24:23
what was official attendance at Linfield game please. Haven't been able to find this and usually figures are widely available

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14226 attendance was poor

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C8,000, £10k raised

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10k raised? Was it a testimonial to get Alexander a weeks worth of wages ;)

The Patient

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Lol, The Patient.

Gaz

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It was only 12453, see http://www.linfieldfc.com/latestnews.asp?nid=9717

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11 Apr 2013 23:31:32
Not really been bothered about posting for a while.

However I would like to say knowing a bit about law and in particular pertaining to fraudulent companies.

Really pleased to see the house of cards Mr CW built is slowly but surely colapsing.

He is now responsible for the debt to ticketus, £17.7m plus costs. This will allow them to freeze his assets and put inhibition orders on his properties (this stops him selling until funds from sale are used to clear said debts).

Sadly I will not be surprised to find he will just bankrupt himself as is his normal way of avoiding debts.

That said ticketus are not mugs if you research their background so I feel CW may well have serious problems in the next 12 months.

That plus police searches possoble charges and Thatcher pop her clogs it has been a great week

george

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If they are no mugs they must have Ibrox as security? Why else would then lend to white?

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Post made sense till the last line, bit sick to be honest.

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Hhhhm. In a word "Rubbish". This is not just about CW is it? You say Ticketus are no mugs - but they lend 18 million to a fraudster with no background checks? No Mugs? Yep, that sounds right. Not. There is a lot more to this than CW and Ticketus.

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11 Apr 2013 23:29:43
Right guys what's happening are we having a demo on saturday against Charles rants, lies and racist comments its time for him to go. What do you guys think

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The only way to hurt him is to stop paying money into his pocket ( or CWs Pocket) -

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