Rangers Banter Archive August 12 2012

12 Aug 2012 22:16:16
Why dont all the rangers fans wanting rid of ally have a think of whats the guys been through since taking over
1.whyte didnt deliver his targets ie goodwille juhasz templeton, whittaker sent off in malmo so we are knocked out
2.lose naismith at pittodrie and he was our link man he was arguebly our best player gone for the season then lose jelavic and no replacement which again out of his hands
3.administration, no team does well on pitch with the uncertainty surrounding it but ally ploughs on °UNPAID
4.virtually no players transfer to newco again out of his control and has to pick up pieces but hes up for the fight
5. And finally no pre season to find formations or best 11 and fitness aswell as uncertainty about boca and edu and the other senior players

Mccoist is a legend and a fighter show your support and get behind him this is least we can do ....ally mccoists blue and white army !

Aye but he signed Bedoya, mckay, goian, gave healy a new contract etc, etc.

Dundee won 15 games in a row after going into administration. So that kills dead that myth eh?

He constantly plays Clubfoot

Op here, it was well known he had 2 lists and whyte took cheaper one, doubt ally was happy with bedoya etc and did dundee have same pressure as rangers ? Same media spotlight ? No they didnt and while u bring up dundee havent they been in administration a few times by overspending and leaving creditors ? So why vote them back to spl instead of a dunfermline team that are run properly....sporting integrity

Dundee only went into admistration not liquidation,there is a massive difference in terms of losing players, sponsors, financial repercussions etc, not to mention the uncerainty of where/if we would be playing again.Ally has had to deal with all of this and now has to re-build our club scratch,dundee had an easy ride compare to us so dont compare the two.It is a new beginning for ally so lets give him the backing he deserves, if he does not produce he, like all football managers knows his own fate, he needs our support right now,give him it. jaz rtid.

Ah poor ally that he has to play fair and on the same playing field as everyone us, your right he has had a hard time because yous can't cheat anymore and dont know/not use to it, but maybe 8 years in lowest divisions will help yous learn proper football after 20+ years of cheating.Get real! He is crap but hope you hang onto him cause the joke just keeps going, still waiting on yous to wake up but sadly think that is just a dream, like the dream you had for the big cup and faild.

Some very good points raised and the first posting I've read on the Whittaker sending off. It's as if no one has ever wanted to mention it before. It was the unraveling of Whyte's game plan. 20 million quid went out of the window.

Very passionate Mrs McCoist but not really an argument.
1:Whyte seen the financial mess that was inherited and realised the plug had to be pulled on spending.Whyte also sanctioned,with McCoists blessing the huge wage rises for certain players.Bedoya,Ortiz and McKay,all signed by Ally and given pretty much zero game time.
2:Every team lose players to injury.Rangers still had the most expensively assembled squad in the SPL.Ally just cant shape a team.
3:Just nonsense.If anything it should foster a sense of togetherness.
4:No players? Lost,Greegs,Davis,whittaker and naismith plus some fringe players.Signed,Black,Shiels Sandazza,kyle and cabrini.With more to come.
5:Half a point there.As manager Ally should have known this was coming and had players back sooner for fitness and conditioning.Lots of lower league teams would have jumped at the chance to play rangers pre season. Yes,McCoist is a legend but it seems he might not be a good manager.Remember the greatest ever Rangers managerial stint?

OP you were the one that said "no team does well on the pitch" not me. I merely pointed out you were talking garbage. You didn't mention pressure initially but here's my definition of pressure, a Dundee player on a poor wage not knowing if he will get paid next week, next month with no nest egg put aside. Rangers players, (most of them) by comparison, close to if not already millionaires, fully in the knowledge that regardless they will get another club and as was proved, are certain to make more of a profit of it than had Rangers continued without admin. "Oh the poor players" how many of them that played Killie first game after admin are "poorer" for that whole experience, a pathetic defense of your club, a bit like Saturday in other words.

Jaz your reply was a joke surely? Lets compare both clubs adventures with administration. I'll ignore Dundee's first one where they had to let go of some big players and sold their ground.

Managers - Ally still in a job, Chisholm and his assistant Billy Dodds laid off.

Players - Rangers let go two, to be honest, bit part players. Dundee lost 9 within days. Leaving the club with 11 full time players on contracts, not the 44 the SFA panel said Rangers had on their books.

Form - first game out of the traps Rangers lost to Killie, stumbled through the rest of the league campaign and got dumped out of the Scottish Cup at home by Dundee Utd. Dundee went on a 23 game unbeaten run.

Please, please don't make excuses or comparisons that certainly don't hold up against hard, cold facts. Dundee with a tiny squad and no manager did far, far better than Rangers, with Ally secure, did last season.

Uncertainty is not knowing whether you can pay the electricity bill next week, not whether you can afford the upkeep on your flash BMW. I don't think McGregor, Davis, Lafferty or the rest were in the same hemisphere as the Dundee players regards "uncertainty".

Op again. im not saying ally is a great manager im just saying the guy has fought our corner in media and probably boardroom and deserves a good go at it this season and see what hes made of, and why do people keep going on about blowing a 15 point lead ? how did we get the 15 point lead wasnt that down to him ? if wallaces goal at parkhead stood we would have went 5 clear again too but no one mentions it or the goal hearts scored against celtic that clearly crossed line the points add up lads and we lost jelavic aluko ness edu all who were first team maybe not ness but he played well when fit

For purely football reasons McCoist should go, he is obviously out of his depth, we need a manager who knows football can read a game, can make changes when required and can motivate the players. I mean it was Peterhead, the look on his face you'd have thought it was Barcelona ffs, and what the hell is this 3 5 2 we hoof it front to back bypassing 5 of our players in midfield who are again bypassed when the opposition put it over for their winger to run into space.......GENIUS Ally it was s***e in the SPL and its s***e in division 3, please walk away Ally its like watching the death of football

12 Aug 2012 20:23:50
i thaught no 12 was going 2 b retired in tribute 2 the fans so why did sandaza were it yesterday confused

SPL shirt retired with history.

Sfl rules think its been talked about further down

Yea dot get that myself, if you say something like that you do it!

Sfl rules are different mate 1-11 outfield then subs 12-
craig+babybear

12 Aug 2012 20:08:31
Well done to wee Barrie McKay on his first senior goal. Pity it was overshadowed by a toothless defense but go'an yersel like.

Who is disagreeing to this and why? is it that you don't think the defense were gash or you don't think wee Barrie deserves some credit?

12 Aug 2012 19:43:22
levein calls up iain black who plays in the third div but says wallace wont be cause he plays in the third div ?

Ian black should be nowhere near the Scotland team after last 3 games, he has been garbage.

Only because 5 first pick midfielders are not available for this single friendly.

@1. He looks "Scotland class" to me. :-)

12 Aug 2012 19:21:12
sunderland bid 12m for fletcher
man city 15m for jack rodwell
we get less than 5m for jelavic i'm i missing something who's the better striker ? ...mr myle {Ed001's Note - Rodwell is not a striker!}

As far as I remember 'we' got nothing for him.

Craig Whyte took all that money.

How much did you pay for Jelavic is a more important question........

How much we paid is irrelevant to the thread. How much was he worth? or do you not do discussion?

Fletcher couldnt lace jela's boots. FACT

Rangers were done on that deal and Craigy whyte stuck that in a suitcase and sent it to his bankrupt pals in Monaco.

J

12 Aug 2012 18:30:43
Astonished at the calls for Ally to go. What are you lot on?

This is their third game of the season, clearly most are not fit.
Give them a chance for goodness sake.

It is clear that Goian and Bocanegra are wanting away, but these are international players and even if they are not
Interested they should be more than good enough
for div three. It is not Ally's fault that internationalists can't produce the goods.

The only thing I would say is that worried about one up front but hoping that is because Sandaza and Kyle are clearly not fit.

Ally is a Rangers legend and after what he has had to go through nobody should be questioning him after one draw.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves, absolutely ashamed.

He hasnt been good enough from day 1 FACT

Don't you think ally and the rest of your legends should be ashamed for killing your club?

How many games have Peterhead played this season ?

12 Aug 2012 16:44:11
Nacho Novo should provide attacking spark Gers have lacked in the few games we have played this season. Only on a pay as he plays deal (worth a reported €2k) at Huesca surely he is worth signing?
I know everyone wants to see youth but I feel Little, Jig and Kyle are all similar type target men with Sandaza the only other option up top

Jeeso you really are getting desperate kisses the badge quite a few times and he's a legend bring him back swap Spain for third division Scotland see how much he loved the club this is a new club now

Same club, Same stadium, Same fans, same bitter and twisted rivals who cant stay off a Rangers website because they are obsessed with the only real story in Scottish football.... FACT

12 Aug 2012 13:52:39
Afternoon Percy's,

Yesterday's result did not surprise me one little bit! I've mentioned on here on numerous occasions that Sally is NOT a manager! He should go back to being the 'Darling of the Media'.

It took extra time to see off Brechin and when the first league game of the season kicks off, surely as a manager, you would want to ensure a statement of intent - start as you mean to continue!

They have a side capable of competing in the SPL, for goodness sake. It's going to be a long season and one thing's for sure - McMoist will NOT be the manager by the end of it!

Mr Green and McCoist have, rightly, been reprimanded for their flippant, irresponsible comments - they're both as bad as each other. McCoist, especially, has shown himself up as petulant and destructive - he should look across the city and see how a manager should conduct himself.

Lenny has made mistakes, however he has the respect of the Celtic board and the supporters. Can the same be said of McCoist? I think not!

By the way, where's John Brown disappeared to? What a buffoon that man is, what was he thinking? Yet more destruction from a former Ibrox Legend/Great!

Rangers are in real trouble and I'm absolutely distraught!

Miko x

Lennon and respect don't go together it was only a few months ago most of your fans did not like his behaviour. So I tell you what, you worry about your team and Mr Lennon and never mind us.

Conduct himself, this is the manager that marched onto a pitch and verbally abused the red. Say no more.

You on the Buckie again , look across the city and see how to be a manager, that man across the city was the start of the down fall of scottish football with all his always cheated never defeated stuff, plus the referee nonsence, etc etc etc.

@3, so Lennon is the fault for down fall of Scottish football? What about ally whispering in his ear to start a fight? And it seems to me nl has turned Celtic around in under 2 years having to build a team an small money and now will lead them into cl to HELP bring respect back to Scottish football. Was it nl fault for rungers going bust? Cause everyone say because of your club gone that it will bring down Scottish football is it not? Seems to me yous are the problem don't you? And going by what was all found out and still to come out I would say that the theories have legs to them wouldn't you say? But I guess a former director and now main man for sfa of rungers is all fair play right, but that can't be true because yous say a lawyer that Celtic used one time means he is in for your club eh. Wake up and end the hate! Nl is a rookie manager and more professional then you and your club cause at least he can realize that he needs to change a wee bit.

@4 I often wondered what Ally did say to Lennon that day to send him mad.Does everyone know except me?Whatever it was ,it sure worked.

12 Aug 2012 12:54:13
there was no excuses yesterday, Facts are Rangers players paid more a week than 3rd div players in a year, Rangers players full time professionals, 3rd div part timers that train 2 or 3 times a week and have jobs, Rangers players, played at highest level in game, 3rd div players probably never will and are just better sunday league players.
all in all Rangers should be beatng these teams easy, it was a disgrace yesterday, the players were a disgrace and have no right to be paid those kind of wages if they can perform and finally Ian Black in a rangers top, disgrace and offensive and insulting to the club, he is a thug that does not deserve time on a football pitch, simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH

I was very disappointed when Black signed as i never really rated him.From what i have seen so far he might be worse than i thought.Seems to spend all his time taking every dead ball,yet has never delivered a quality one.Same with Kyle,is that really the way for a Rangers team to go?

12 Aug 2012 12:37:44
Played 3 won 2 drawn 1. Time to sack the manger.
We remain top of the Fickle League.

A half decent manager would have won all 3, the performance yesterday was shocking, I've supported rangers for 25 years but that's the worst defensive performance I've ever seen.

C'mon! You must take into account the performance in the games.Half a team of full internationals against part timers? What happens at Murray Park? Practice big punts up to halfway?

Ally not exactly justifying his million a year wages so far this season.

Same old same old McCoist cant see what is happening and wouldnt know what to do if he could.

12 Aug 2012 12:26:41
Kyles interview about winning a major cup from the 3rd div must have been done before yesterdays game or was I watching a different Rangers team??

Wish you'd left a name poster so we could rub your face in your wee gloat there if the famous teddybears come good. I'll be here supporting my team at the end of the season, trophy or no. Guess you'll still be here being a snide tube.

12 Aug 2012 11:47:09
Alexander cole goian boca wallace
Mackay shiels mcculloch black
Sandaza little

Is this our starting 11 for the next match?

Agree because it does not include Broadfoot, so at least the opposition is not gifted goals.

Andy little is hopelsss, think he thought he was playing rugby with his shooting yesterday.

No allys best mate clubfoot will be playing

What about the brazilian guy

12 Aug 2012 10:49:09
The players which will be loaned will be inexperienced youth, not the main squad. Plus Gers fans call yourself the best fans out there! All you do is slag the men who run us! Whyte was a bad yin but even creditable people like mike Ashley is being slated by Gers fans! It's just pathetic! You all ads hypocrits! You alone will kill off rangers with your negativity and unwillingness to allow someone to run rangers!

Ask the Newcastle fans about Ashley

Mike Ashley like the rest of our directors are in this for one thing our money? Ashley sees oppurtunity to strip our fans of their money over the next few years. Not one of them will be out of pocket at the end of all this, only the FANS will be out of pocket and no nearer to owning our own club. We as fans have to make this clear to Green and co "NOW" we will not be "Fleeced" again. Everyone them have their own agendas in this bloody carve up! Ashley getting the money from strips etc, the others through our season tickets etc and we again sit there saying nothing "bunch of bloody idiots" we are becoming ... a laughing stock of Scottish Football. Easy pickings for the vultures if you thought Whyte and Murray were bad this lot will make them look like saints.

12 Aug 2012 05:31:17
Ally Ally super Ally he needs a year to prove himself. How many managers have been through what he has?
He needs to find his feet quickly i think he can do it!

What is this nonsense"what he has been through"? What.His employer went into administration then liquidation.At no time was he ever mentioned to be losing his job,despite a pretty poor record in his first season.He signed,Ortiz,McKay and Bedoya then never used them,demanded to know the names of a tribunal when he clearly knew who they were and generally has rabble roused for months.As a player,legend,without a doubt.As a manager? It's okay to say he does not walk away,but who would employ him?

Ally has been part of the rangers management set up for 5 and a half years, he has been in charge for all domestic cup games in that period of time and he has done nothing inspiring, beating lower pl and fl clubs narrowly albeit winning a few of the cups (but these cups should have been won comfortably with the players he had at his disposal).

if he is on 20k a week then that is a disgrace big McCulloch would play this season for free if asked but ally could be potentially taking 20 k out the club a week and he is a poor manager lets be honest, his singnings last season aside from aluko were poor, his tactics non existant (long diagonal ball, at least when smith used this he used it effectivly and changed it when needed).

ally is a good ambassador and public figure head but he does not posess the management skills that other former old firm players have acquired, McColl, Lennon, Lambert Etc.

im sure durrant would do a similar if not better job than sally, at a quarter of the wages.

as a celtic fan i have no doubt rangers will win the league, but take my word for it, ally wont be in charge at end of season, i see durrant being the man to take them up this season.

He has had his year, and it went from horror euro failure to horror, cup exit to Falkirk to horror end to the season. Now we are starting off with horror SFL d3 start. How many chances does someone need?

OP Yes but the worry is he wasn't that great before our troubles began.It was masked a bit by the attention to 'other' things that were going on last season but I fear he will have no excuse this season.Needs to do better for sure.

12 Aug 2012 02:38:06
Where is Ross Perry? I take it he is injured just now?

Ye I think its a calf injury, nothing major he should be back in training sometime this week.

GovanFR

Whst is there to disagree about?

12 Aug 2012 01:27:13
Baith s**te - last decent manager in Scotland was John Lambie given what he worked with .

Paddy Malarkey

12 Aug 2012 00:58:48
I think what you all need to remember is that you've been used to watching SPL football and a SPL team. You cannot expect the same quality of football and players in 3rd. Maybe now you'll realise the reality of the situation now. The rangers will find it difficult to progress through the divisions, just like any other team

Well talk about stating the obvious there mate....But I state it here and now that Rangers will get promoted every season as we have the best pool of players the bigger budget and the best facilities in the entire SFL so dont worry about us mate we'll be fine and concentrate on supporting your own clubs on all those sell out saturdays between now and 2015 lol.....

Tam-Sir 1873 Proud to support Rangers

Aye but Broadfoot has been hopeless in both leagues.

@1 this is exactly why everyone is laughing at you. You'd think you'd be less arrogant after landing back in earth with a bump. Obviously not

Be realistic

3 don't think it's arrogance matey. Sir tam has had a look at the squad, budget and facilities and thinks they're better than anyone else, given that, it's not unreasonable to believe back to back promotions are achievable.
Oh and by the way, you may be laughing, but thankfully, not everyone is like you.