Rangers Banter Archive July 12 2013

12 Jul 2013 18:35:10
These recent posts are getting out of hand. So you think you can write semi decent English, think you're a businessman and think you're a manager.

Give Craig Mather and Ally McCoist a frigging break and let's get back to commenting on the performance on the park. Just think being a Rangers fan.

What a load of nonsense. Do you not think questions should be asked? Are you happy with the way the club is being run.

@1 Totally agree with you. There are no many unanswered questions left dangling in the air. I am disappointed in Walter and Ally is still not a decent manager. WW

@1 please tell me why you are
unhappy at the way clubs been
run and if u do know how the
clubs been run and you are
not a board member, how and why
are you privy to this information
Cheers
billy h

@3/ Not privy to any information mate, just joining the dots. Firstly there is the mystery shareholders. Do you not think that every supporter, more so the fans who bought shares, should know exactly who put money in. Next there is the shambles around the boardroom. Green clearly is still in control, aided by Blue Pitch Holdings. Mathers who was a temporary appointment now has the job full time, another Green man. Then there is the IPO issue. Just how much was raised and how much is left No one seems to be able to give an answer to that. Is this the reason for the lack of audited accounts. Then there is the whole cash thing. the bonus paid to non playing staff for winning the third division was a disgrace. Malcolm Murray had to pay a leccy bill FFS. Then the stadium repairs issue, when will that take place. And to cap it all a guy on Interpols wanted list is an investor. There is more mate, but would you say these are the actions of a well run club.

@4 give it a rest with accounts, there was an interim statement earlier this year now the financial year has ended on 30th June, do you really expect to see accounts in July, stop and think

Jg

@1 from OP. Questions are good but vitriolic abuse ain't. All I'm saying is cut Mather and McCoist a bit of slack.

@6/No vitriol in that post. Saying someone is posting nonsense cannot be classed as abuse surely.

@5, jg this will be the third time iv'e told you this, please, for the love of god, try to take it in this time.

the financial year in the uk ends at the end of march, sometimes the first week in april. if you don't/won't believe me. google it or phone hmrc centre one.

there are no special cases, not even the rangers. the new financial year for tax reasons starts in april. and that is for everybody in employment in the uk.

so jg give it a rest, or explain where you heard this 30th of june nonsense. shammy {Ed001's Note - you are wrong. Companies are allowed to set their own financial years. The financial year may end in April (not March as you were also wrong on) but companies do not have to set their year end to be around then. If you ever fill out a tax return, you will see it includes an option to inform them of your year end date, if it is different from the standard one.}

Ed 001, give me one company name. whos employees financial year doesn't start on the first of april. I did say for tax reasons. and did say sometimes the first week in april . so you are agreeing with jg that the rangers arn't behind with accounts. never mind audited accounts. this is why you are in so much crap. shammy {Ed001's Note - give you one company name? Are you too lazy to look for yourself? Go check on Companies House and you will find the accounts are being received on a daily basis from numerous different companies year end. That is why the same accountant can manage to cope with more than one company's accounts at a time. Just because you haven't a clue, doesn't mean I am lying. I do my own accounts and, while the tax year runs from the 6th April until the 5th April of the following year, I get to put my own accounting period in boxes 3.4 and 3.5, with box 3.12 being ticked if my accounting date has changed and box 3.13 being ticked if this has changed before. Do you really think the accountants in this country could cope with there only being one accounting period allowed? They would have to hire thousands of short term temporary staff each year, then lay them off the minute the accounts are done. Instead, it is spread throughout the year to give accountants time to sort through all the paperwork before signing off on the books. The problem is that you have no idea what you are talking about, you are on about employee's tax years now, like that is relevant to when a company must produce its accounts! Please just stop, you are out of your depth here.}

Ed. just read your '' if you ever fill in a tax return form '' again. I payed shammy {Ed001's Note - you are an offensive little knob, my team is Liverpool and you are so far up your own backside it is embarrassing. You couldn't just admit you were wrong, you have to lie continously and embarrass yourself again and again. Please don't come back, your lies and ignorance are just not wanted. You talk like you are some kind of expert, when clearly you are just not any kind of expert. You are one of those loud mouth imbeciles who shouts down anything you disagree with, even when you are clueless about the subject. Go and educate yourself, instead of spouting bull on these sites.}

@8 well that's three times you have been wrong then smart@ss. Just for you the tax year runs from April to April, a company's financial year is completely different and can end in any month, now stop making an person of yourself and look on our website in the investor section

Jg

Spammy - do you know when your lots financial year ends? Aye you guessed it 30 June, last year your accounts were filed in November, that's normal

Jg

12 Jul 2013 17:14:28
English guys own and run rangers for their benefit. None are supporters: green, Ahmad, Mathers, Ashley, Stockbridge.
McCoist, Jabba and Smith are their paid help. A parcel of rogues in a nation as the song goes.
Looking forward to chairman fronting up the board at agm and answering the detailed accounts questions.

This is the best of it - green did not put in any money (a real rangers fan malcolm murray put in 10x as much as green and got 10x less shares than green - go figure).

major investors are off-shore. who exactly. from the bank transfer to green looks like rafat razvi. he's on interpols most wanted list. !

fans don't know who owners of ibrox and major shares are! its worse that last time.

Malcolm Murray was ousted by a motion from blue pitch holdings, a mysterious individual with company in Cayman Islands ffs.
So fans are allowing Murray to be sacked by unknown foreigners?
Where's the £22m?
Where's the accounts?

All above, remind me who brought Murray in to the boardroom, the guy fu@ked up and had to go,

Jg

JG how did Malcolm Murray **** up. all we know is he got drunk one night and was videoed by a Ranger Director who has links to dogdy business men.

Odd that Stockbridge stays (who will publish videos of Rangers Directors when tipsy) and Murray (rangers fan who pays leccy bill to keep Rangers running) leaves. ?

odd that. you still reading greens script. ?

Was he not removed for leaking out confidential information including minutes of meetings, not because he was drunk!

Jg

@5 (JG) - where is this proof that Malcolm Murray leaked confidential board info. please supply the link - we know you have internet skills.

Sadly that link is not in google, while the link the Green (Rangers CEO) discussing confidential meetings with UEFA with whyte does exists. when Whyte is not on Rangers Board, and when as you pointed out Pinsent Mason are supposed to have found no link between Green and WHYTE.

YET THE TAPE EXISTS - for all to hear.

odd that JG - to claim one think which can't be proved, and claim the other (with is proved beyond reasonable doubt) you never seen. laughable.

Remember Murray is a life-long rangers fan, and getting rid of him as Chairman of Rangers only helps one team. Celtic.

To 5 - Walter Smith (Rangers Legend) thanked Malcolm Murray for being experienced supporter of Rangers. don't remember him thanking Green??

@6 - maybe you could read post 5 and tell me where I claim anything!

Never heard the tapes, but if they are talking about a take over of rangers, that would suggest the discussion took place before greens consortium did eventually take over, therefore he was free to talk about any subject he wanted.
Murray was chairman of the club FFS

JG

JG the tape is AFTER Charles Green as Rangers Ceo (big clue there) visits UEFA (another clue) - we can work the date of this after these two events.

Yet Pinset Mason review says 2 months earlier than this TAPE - there is no connection. ?

JG - Greens timeline never stacks up - he shafts whyte in buying assets with Secvo and two months later is still drinking and dicussing confidential meetings with Whyte - why when he shafted him and he is not longer part of Rangers. ?

There are about 20 tapes, than cover two months before the takeover ( the admin/ipo/. ), tapes during the Green buyout, and after

thats the odd thing. whyte still able to tape green conversations after he supposedly no longer has any stake in Rangers. well weird.

But as you say - no NOT heard tapes - so have no clue what Green planned, and what D&P planned, and how Whyte tried to save Rangers.

blinkered. man.

When Green says on thing on tape, then different to fans and on TV - I am worried - why is a Rangers CEO being caught out so much.

No link with whyte, ok we got £127k from him into imrans mums account - but we never spent it, ok we also got bank tranfers, etc etc etc

Greens story unravels every day with the emails, tapes and documents flowing onto internet. and not one lawsuit to stop them.

you can't stop the truth and can't sue if somone is releasing facts.

You can only sue to stop lies

@6 - you stated

"Was he not removed for leaking out confidential information including minutes of meetings"

what do you mean by this? Odd you make statements which don't say anything but suggest, and where you don't have linked to facts, but just hearsay and spin.

JG is not Jabba/Green by any chance?

12 Jul 2013 11:58:15
Mathers as new CEO. What happened to the search for the right person. Did they actually search or did no one want the job. Walter gave him the okay. Does anyone else think Walter is becoming a bit of a puppet. Mather is from the Green camp, these are the people that need to be rushed out the door. It is that simple. None of these so called Gers men are worth anything to the support. John Brown was the only one who stood up. When this ends messily I would hope we see the last of Walter and Ally etc.

Does anyone want to explain why we now have so many Green haters?

He does the dirty on Whyte and you hate him?

GET A GRIP!

He started us on the road to some kind of recovery. He is clearly 'off the wall' but Whyte is the man who should have anger vented against him!


What the hell do you know about Mather anyway? Not knowing about him should be a concern, but to judge him for your reasons lacks intelligence.

The board is a mess that there is no doubt. Transparency is required, then we can all begin to make clearer decisions.

RTID
GDog

Give it a rest, John Brown FFS. He was to put in £40k, that's it. If bomber had his way we would be bust again.

I turned up at the debacle outside Ibrox when he held court. When he declared that nobody could do t. his to his f'ing team that was enough for me. He also stated that Goughie, Albertz, Amoruso would put up money - not one of them did. I thought Bomber was a great player, but a businessman - no and never will be.

I do think Walters a puppet the more I think about everything the mans a legend but he's made a very good living off Rangers & his silence is upsetting to his loyal fans that actually have questions. On Craig Mather I don't know why but I kind of like the Guy anyone else think the same? I like to think myself as a good judge of Character I knew Whyte, Green, Ahmed & Stockbridge were & are all Rats. The Jury's still out on Mather let's see what happens in the run in to January and how the accounts go then Judge him. I won't let my Heart rule my head though il keep my eyes & ears open, if he can get shot of all ties to Ahmed, Green & Wee sneaky Stockbridge then il be a happy bear it's highly unlikely but here's hoping. Would have rathered Stockbridge left and the Easdale didn't get on the board than Murray & Cartmell leaving it.

Larky Bear

Good post mather and walter are doing a good job without them we will sink

@1 What about SDM he was the principal cause of this yet he gets an easy ride, why?

@1/ So you back Green then? Even after all his ridiculous claims? Even though he allowed people on Interpol's wanted list to get inside the club? Even though he is bringing the Easdales in? To say transparency is required while backing Green is completely stupid mate.

Thank you 5. ] The whole situation was murray's making. His only interest was his self preservation and I'm sure when his dirty washing is unveiled whyte and green will pale into insignificance.
billyb.

Totally agree with the attack on SDM. Never mind the EBTs that nearly finished us off and allowed the wee rat Craig Whyte in to buy off Lloyds with our season ticket money. What about "the £100M of his own money he invested in the club"- No he never all money was borrowed from the Bank of Scotland part of the £1 Billion (FFS how many zeros is that?) he and his companies were overdrawn to the BOS then Lloyds were forced to take over this failed bank and the highest profile part of Murray's empire of straw was Rangers. We all know what happened then. I don't know how Green will go down in months/years to come but at the moment he is still well behind Murray and Whyte in terms of damage to Scotland's greatest ever Club

@2) spot on in every way,

Murrays in the past now he severely wounded the heart & soul of Rangers & brought in we Craig Whyte to Deal the Killer Blow. We liquidated its a new Company running the club & Murrays never had anything to do with that. I can't say the same for Whyte he's a snake but like a snake a very clever cunning Predator. He had his own ideas but we are talking about the present & future.

I don't know why I just like Mather better than I did Green & Whyte. Who on Earth would be Green & Ahmeds lacky? I just have this feeling that he might do the dirty on them, hey it's more money for him & if he runs the club properly hero status with the ibrox faithful! there's plenty of money & success to be had here with Rangers I just hope someone sees that soon rather than all money, money, money! The fans have been awesome & the mighty Gers have lived on solely through us alone we will never go away & I don't know about you I'd rather be bitten by a snake than a zombie lol we will be back beating the Tic and it will be sweeter than ever if you don't believe that then there's no point following on. Excuse the zombie patter I'm sick of being called that on there site amongst other things.

Anyway Time will tell what state the club is in. I just hope we act before it's too late & really let our voices be heard this time. The Clubs demise was a slow & painful one & I can guarantee every single bear was just like me bemused, depressed & totally mentally exhausted with it no one knew what to do, only fans of Clubs who have gone through similar situations can tell you how it feels. I reckon things will be much clearer for better or worse in the next month or 2. Like I said before I wish it was not Stockbridge & Easdale over Murray & Cartmell but really there all Greens merry men it is what it is & it's time to support one way or another, to a new season & another adventure for us the fans of the famous Glasgow Rangers.

Larky Bear

@1 - Green haters, listen to the tapes online. green tried to con whyte, how do you know he has not tried same con with the fans?

if he defrauded whyte of his debentures - then whyte has legitimate claim against ibrox - and if whyte wins that claim he gets ibrox back - and green walks with IPO millions.

Green put no real money in, what double-dealing with whyte, was making false claims about UEFA and Platini, and leaving no accounts as usual - how does any of this actually help rangers recovery?

Green wants rangers back in div 3 again - Malcolm Murray did not - and we know Green fought to remove Murray? So Green wants another Div3 title? why!

to hide greens double-dealing with fans. simples

Larky - listen to the tapes and whyte was trying everything to SAVE Rangers as a going concern and reduce its debts as these were killing it.

Green was only interested in floating ibrox and MurrayPark for 8% income and 5 4m/year loans?

Green also stuffed whyte of income from these loans - £1m/year

Green has history of making off with investors money leaving shell behind which collapses - this will lead to second div3 title for rangers with green blaming others - as no accounts will be available to show where £22m went. ?

Mather is Greens pick for CEO - so is greens man - and the fall guy for the next collapse.

Only way to avoid this is long cup runs, huge crowds and put of doomsday for another year - but its coming this what green plans (he done this before at sheffied and elsewhere just google his company involvements).

Green has brought into unknown investors (who could be crooked and money launderers) - if UEFA find this out then Glasgow Rangers will be banned for up to 10 years.

Green on tape saying UEFA corrupt - when he Rangers CEO. ?

Green is far worse than Whyte - who on tape KNEW about the players, their costs and their value - Green tricked whyte and did not know about TUPE?

Mate you lost me at Whyte was trying everything to save Rangers can't take you serious at all I know what Greens all about you don't need to tell me again I've witnessed it he's just as cunning & clever.

Larky Bear

I agree larky bear. I doubt there is much we can do until mather, green and Stockbridge make their move once the lock in is over. I think that's in December so I hope the various supporters groups have got together with a plan. My reckoning is that they are building a side capable of surviving administration. I also think that Murray park and ibrox ground will be taken away from us for whatever reason and rented out to the new owners. Let's hope it's the fans that take over and run things properly.

N11 the word if is the smallest word in the world with the biggest meaning

12 Jul 2013 08:55:23
Ex rangers striker nacho novo is signing for Hamilton accies on a 2 year contract, as a rangers season ticket holder of over 30 years I'm sure my fellow gers fans will join me in wishing wee nacho all the very best at Hamilton accies, the wee man will always be in our hearts and I personally thank him for the great memories he gave me over his 6 years with rangers, he scored BIG IMPORTANT GOALS IN BIG IMPORTANT GAMES, he was our lucky omen, who could ever forget the happiness of all rangers fans when he netted the penalty against fiorentina that put us in the uefa cup final, cheers again wee man, you'll ALWAYS BE WELCOME AT IBROX, big ram

12 Jul 2013 13:22:10
Could not have put better myself. Yeah ill never forget that winning penalty either. I nearly had a heart attack lol. All the best Nacho

Well said, OP. Pity Ally didn't give him a short term contract.

Spot on mate, I totally echo your post about wee nacho novo, a rangers legend, good luck to the wee man!

Great post mate really well said Him & Big Dado were my Heros when I got my 1st season ticket. There goals used to get me in the paper all the time with my head cut off by the cross bar just this headless Croatia top or Rangers Jersey with flailing arms in the air lol. Good luck Nacho!

Larky Bear

Nacho has had his time and will always be regarded as a legend for his league winning goals and the penalty in UEFA semi final.

However there was no point in signing a 34 year old. He has had his time and was clearly desperate for another go, but Ally was right not to offer him a contract.

Am glad he's off to Hamilton he had his time done ok back in the day but that's the past must look forward

Legend NO SUPER SUB YES