Rangers Banter Archive September 12 2012

 

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12 Sep 2012 19:51:22
Aright Percy's,

This Green character talks absolute bolshevicks!

Should the "independent" commission find that the club were remunerating with the use of dual contracts, titles will be lost - this is what we've known all along.

Mr Green adopts this "us against the world" approach to dupe you into buying season tickets and gaining your trust as a consequence.

Anyways, this sports law expert in the paper today makes the situation perfectly clear, in contradiction to Mr Green. Here are 2 excerpts from this story:

"In general sport, if someone is found guilty of a doping offence retrospectively, they lose their titles"

"why should a proven'cheat' retain medals or titles?"

This, my friends, is known as sporting integrity! Once found guilty, the club will lose titles whether you consider yourselves oldco or newco. These are SPL titles won unfairly, so the SPL can revoke them.....it's their league!

Celtic have been cleared of "misuse of EBT's", seems to me that other clubs have been using them - not misusing them!

The loss of titles is imminent, the old disgraced club will have the indignant revoking of titles......the new club has a chance to restore the pride of "the people", by starting from scratch and building a club of moral repute!

Miko x

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12 Sep 2012 18:17:27
The Scottish Premier League have investigated Celtic's use of an employee benefit trust and say they are satisfied that no rules were breached.

The league concluded the scheme was legal and above board.

BBC Scotland understands the case relates to the Brazilian player, Juninho Paulista.

Paddy Malarkey

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12 Sep 2012 17:57:59
Their sense of cultural superiority over the rest of the tribes in Scottish football is difficult to convey to anyone outside of Scotland. Even the term "establishment club" doesn't do it justice. The fans are imbued by a certainty that they are, by birthright, number one in Scotland. The connections between the Ibrox club and those in ruling positions at the SFA stretch back a long time. This privileged status was transmitted down to the fans over generations.

The walls collapsed and the ceiling has fallen in!

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The privileged status has nothing to do with football my friend. Neither has a birthright.
You may well be born into privileged status.You follow in your forefather's footsteps normally defined by events in history.
You have your historical connotations in a tangle i'm afraid. Take a resit as you have failed this part of the exam.
P.O.B.

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12 Sep 2012 17:25:09
Date set for Rangers hearing
Hearing into alleged undisclosed payments to start on November 13:

A Scottish Premier League-appointed commission will commence a hearing regarding undisclosed payments by Rangers on November 13.

A three-man panel was appointed following initial assessment of Employee Benefit Trust (EBT) transactions to Rangers players from 2000 to 2011 under the old Ibrox regime, which could breach SPL rules over declaring payments to players in contracts.

The commission will proceed with its inquiry after considering all the preliminary issues over two days of initial meetings.

Rangers have already refused to co-operate with the investigation and did not attend the initial hearings which took place on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The hearing will continue from day-to-day as required until November 16, with additional dates of November 20 and 21 also allocated should any further continuation be required.

Documents
Solicitors for the SPL have been told to lodge any additional documents, together with an outline argument and a list of witnesses, by 4pm on October 19.

Oldco and Newco Rangers need to lodge their own documents, outline argument and a list of witnesses by 4pm on November 1.

An SPL statement read: "The commission has considered all the preliminary issues raised in the list submitted by Newco and points raised in letters from solicitors acting for Newco and for Oldco.

"It has decided the commission will proceed with its inquiry in the terms of the Notice of Commission and will now set a date for a hearing and give directions.

"Oldco and Rangers FC, who are named in the Issues contained in the Notice of Commission and alleged to have been in breach of SPL rules, will continue to have the right to appear and be represented at all hearings of the commission and to make such submissions as they think fit.

"Newco, as the current owner and operator of Rangers FC, although not alleged by the SPL to have committed any breach of SPL Rules, will also have the right to appear and be represented at all hearings of the commission and to make such submissions as it thinks fit."

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"Newco, as the current owner and operator of Rangers FC...."

As the CURRENT owner and operator? Reads like we are a continuation of the same club to me (D&P are in charge of the old company until liquidation process completed so it is not a referral to them as they represent the company under investigation). Are you going to openly disagree with these guys that you are pinning your hopes on, Stevo et al, on that point if true? Sounds like THEY believe they are dealing with two COMPANIES (not different football clubs) - one alleged to have acted in a financially inappropriate manner regards dual contracts and one, who as yet, has not. BOTH of whom own/owned and represent/represented the SINGULAR football club referred to in their official statement as Rangers FC.

Brian

p.s. Unlike you guys I am happy not to have my cake and eat it. If we are still the same FOOTBALL CLUB then any sanctions/punishments forthcoming for any of the outstanding offences will be entirely justified (but should still remain open to challenge/appeal as they are in a court of law) in my opinion. Otherwise they cannot be justified.

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I think they are just intimating that the people in charge now are temporary. Its actually quite sarcastic. The rangers are a new club. That's why they're in div3. Charlie green could have called them whatever he wanted, he chose the name to get the support. Don't forget that Charlie CHOSE the name. It's key.

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12 Sep 2012 15:51:01
Rangers tax tribunal verdict to be announced 'in October'

BBC Scotland has learned that a verdict on the First Tier Tax tribunal between Rangers and HM Revenue & Customs is expected in October.

In 2010, the previous owners of Rangers contested an unpaid tax relating to the use of Employee Benefit Trusts, believed to be in the region of £49m.

The club entered administration in February 2012 over a separate tax issue and applied for insolvency in July.

The Scottish Courts Service said an announcement would be made next month.

During the preiod 2001-2010, the previous owners of Rangers operated an Employee Benefit Trust scheme that HMRC claims was a tax scam, which subsequently became known as the "Big Tax Case".

The scheme provided £47.65m in payments to players and staff in the form of tax-free loans, but HMRC insists it has proof in the form of documents and emails that the payments were contractual in nature, which would make the scheme illegal.

HMRC subsequently issued Rangers with a bill for £35m in unpaid tax and interest, and £14m in penalties. That was challenged by the club at the Court of Session in Edinburgh, but no verdict has been announced.

BBC Scotland has also seen evidence, which was submitted to the courts, suggesting that 53 Rangers players and staff had side-letters giving undertakings to fund their sub-trusts with cash.

According to the Scottish Football Association's registration rules, payments received by a player solely relating to his playing activities must be fully recorded and declared, otherwise the player has been improperly registered.

SPL investigation

The Scottish Premier League is also conducting an investigation into payments made to players during the period under scrutiny. However, the owners of the new company in control of Rangers has refused to co-operate with the inquiry.

The SPL has more than a dozen sanctions, including stripping Rangers of league titles, at its disposal should it be decided that the club broke rules about side payments made to players.

On Monday, Rangers chief executive Charles Green claimed "more than two" Scottish Premier League clubs had used employee benefits trusts, but did not provide further information as to which clubs he was referring to.

In the course of an investigation into Rangers' EBT scheme broadcast in May, BBC Scotland wrote to all 12 SPL member clubs, inquiring about any use of similar schemes.

Celtic confirmed that the club established one EBT in 2005, but the remaining 10 clubs insisted that they had never made use of EBTs.

Rangers entered administration on 14 February and formally applied for insolvency in July after a Company Vountary Arrangement proposal to rescue the club was rejected by HMRC.

The club's assets were sold off to a cosortium led by Mr Green, but an application to transfer its membership of the SPL to the new company was refused.

An application was then made to join the Scottish Football League, and Rangers started life in the Third Division at the start of the 2012/13 season.

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Come on Charlie who do you mean ?

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12 Sep 2012 17:00:08
Right lads time to show your age. Post your greatest ever Rangers team put together with players you have seen in the flesh. I was never privelaged enough to see the likes of Greig, Baxter, Henderson, Cooper ect, but still lucky enough to see a few greats in my time......

Goram

Porrini
Amoruso
Gough
Davie Robertson

Alexei Mikhailichenko
Gazza
Barry Ferguson
Laudrup

Hately
McCoist

Subs, Niemi, Numan, Davie Weir, Ian Durrant, Albertz, Prso, Mols.

J1985

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Celtic man here, Ferguson couldn't lace Durrant's boot's
Tam

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Another question, you won't have to be that old to answer. How many were on EBT's ?.....Stevie

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Try this one
RITCHIE
SHEARER CALDOW
GRIEG McKINNON BAXTER
HENDERSON McMILLAN MILLER BRAND WILSON

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Klos
Porrini Amoruso Weir Numan
Kanchelskis Ferguson Albertz De Boer
Prso Mols

Clearly, am not as old as you lol. That's my best 11.

TTG

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Best I ever saw in blue:-
Goram

Jardine Forsyth Smith
Numan
Greig Gascoigne Russell
Cooper
McCoist Laudrup

Subs: Klos, Amorouso, McDonald, Johnstone, McKean

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@ 1. Never seen the best of Durrant in my time mate. Clearly an outstanding player but for me watching Ferguson break into the Rangers team at such a young age and become captain ahead of guys like Amoruso, Albertz, Gio, Numan ect just edges it for me.
@2. Look at the 1st reply ya roaster, a Celtic man having a wee debate and you come on with your EBT sh1te. More obsessed with EBT that CFC........

J1985

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Goram

Gary Stevens gough butcher numan


Laudrup gazza durrant. Cooper


Mccoist Hately


Subs: Klos trevor Steven McCall albertz negri

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The best i have seen, would be goram,butcher,gough,robertson,grieg,durrant,cooper,laudrap,gazza,mcoist hately. subs klos,mccall,m johnson,brown,numan,albertz

that said i never saw them play, but i heard dj,henderson,baxter,caldow,mckinnen, were all class acts

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12 Sep 2012 15:57:19
Gregory vignal has signed on a free for Dundee united. A good player for nowt!

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At least he still has ambition

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Playing at a decent level though .... good to see a player with ambition & some fire in his belly rather than those only interesred in the smell of the pound ...... !!!

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All above - ambition and signing for dundee utd should not be mentioned together

JG

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12 Sep 2012 14:48:27
craig levein must go now he hasnt a clue half the players in that team are not fit to wear the jersey time for walter to be brought back

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Half the players used to play for a now defunct club called Rangers Football Club. I refer to mcgregor, Hutton, Adam, Naismith, miller, and Webster. Says it all, really. So, in conclusion, you're right - half the players don't deserve to be in the team.

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@1 And who would you have play instead of those you mentioned you dullard!

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Poster 1, yes the half that didn't play for rangers bbb :o)

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Mcgregors never changed hel concede daft goals but make magnificant saves in the same game.
Huttons knowhere near as fit as he was when he was playing for Rangers but he put in alot of extra training to get to that level maybe he doesnt have the same dedication now.
Webster a ex Rangers player yes ok if u can even call him that but he was not good enough for us then hes nt good enough for Scotland now!
Adams a bit of Hutton & Webster hes off the Bile at the moment but more reliable than Morrison is!
Millers seen better days as a player and his best season was by far his last at Rangers!
Naismith has tough competition for a place but is proven a better player than Forrest more experience and is hardly ever utilised in his proper position! The only ex ger i dont see fit for the team is Webster!

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@1),

Mulgrew and Commons would have made a real difference eh? Celtic fans were crying for Maloney and Forrest to play, they got their wish, and neither turned up.

TTG

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Don't be **** all your life and take your green n grey sepcs off,
it's thanks to alan mcgregor that scotland didnt lose BOTH matches

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Couldnt care less what Levein did

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Walter walked away and should never be allowed back in hampden never mind the manager

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Scotland probably have their best squad so far this century. And Stephen Fletcher is the best Scottish striker since Ally. And yet even Vogts and Burley have got much better performances than Levein, whose side have only ever beaten Liechenstein and Lithuania in competitive games. And to think not too long ago Walter and Eck led sides beat France home and away.

I'd have Walter back in charge in a shot myself although I very much doubt this will happen.

BARNEY BEAR

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@1 totally agree with you. half the team were ex rangers players. Heard Gordon Smith saying that Levein should be allowed to carry on in the job. Correct me if Im wrong but it not Smith that gave him the job? As for Walter Smith coming back absolutely no way. Remember he walked away. Scotland need a Celtic man at the helm. JK

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@ttg, how could you say Forrest didn't show up? If anything thwey need to use him more often for in the last 20min they didn't use him or involved him that much. It must be hard for you to see a Celtic player do well, but what you seem to fail to see is that he ran riot down the wing and made great crosses(to Rhodes but he couldn't put it in) and winning fouls which led to yet another great chance. But dosent matter what you think cause you watch a div3 club so don't expect you to see talent, lol. You seem to forget that he has been the hottest talent to come out of Scotland for years for epl clubs want him, but you can tune in to the cl to see it, that is if you haven't boycotted that as well as the air any other spl club breaths.

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12 Sep 2012 14:16:02
Right im also fed up of the Tims trying to hand out punishments that dont exist 1. EBTs Oldco it is being Liquidated HMRC have decided to chase up those who used the scheme rather than the Club which will cease To exist!
2. Dual Contracts the SPL/SFA whpever it is has been aware of this for 10 years atleast they turned a blind eye too it & when push comes to shove theyve had to crawl out and put there foot down after everyone else put there boot in.
WE HAVE faced the consequences for everything else thats all they were consequences and us bears might not have been ecstatic about it but weve took it on the Chin and are now very happy supporting this Newco we have a young promising side and too us it doesnt matter what level they play at its our team old or new business! Im afraid all these so called Judges Jurys & Executioners had there chances to Bill the Old Rangers strip titles do as they please not saying our scandalous owner CW would have merited the sanctions but they had there chance they also knocked back a CVA proposal all be it wasnt a great deal but there was only ever goin to be one Man D&P sold the club to and that was CG us Fans have had no real power over anything thats happened to our club the Adminstration process was long and grueling for any fan but u have to think that all through it D&P had other motives the heartbreak of those months was punishment enough for any fan but really Tims look at the big picture its not so much naievety more helplessness on the fans behalf we only want a club to support its all about football for me
Not business and that part of Football disgusts me So back to my point
U can keep casting ur lines of hate out onto the Rangers forums hoping for a bite and just keep all the Bigotry bile and loathing of one another fresh for when the Rangers make it back into the SPL then turn round and claim innocence and make it out that were the only ones who behave in that manner (Highly Likely) or u can leave our wee 3rd division team alone that has no history no rivals no expectations let them get on with a new beginning an enjoy themselves without ur constant Drivvel hatred & obsession all these crimes we are accused of committing died with the Oldco outwith anyones control get over it knowone obviously taught use about being the bigger man!

Larky Bear

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Larky Bear,
I don't think you've quite grasped the extent and scale of the crimes committed by your former club.
I appreciate the unease that comes with the unravelling of the truth but the truth deserves to be told in the public arena so that justice can be done.

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That comment has actually made me LOL.

Larky bears logic that you cannot retrospectively investigate and if necessary rescind tainted trophies is pure comedy gold stuff.

You , young man , belong on a stage!

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@OP: please give examples of all the hatred, bile and bigotry that's been on here. I must have missed it.

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Good post ,apart from your pathetic attempt on hatred and biggotry,because no biggoted comments would get posted from the ED,,enjoy your new team and new beginings,mabe see yous in 4YEAR..stevo

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Why do you say everything is hate that comes out of a Celtic fan? All is see is your fans just keep talking about how hate and bigots and bile is all out to get your club, but if you look back and really think you will see that most fix fans just post a point to discuss which seems to get on your nerves. If you look at the fix page you have your fans on there posting things and I always see tic fans just discussing it and don't call the person obsses or a bigot or wtv, like how you do on your page.

Your right in that your a new club and that the old club is responsible, not just tic fans want this done with but all ppl want a conclusion to the biggest scam so we can move on. But I think you as many of your fans believe cg in that your still the same club and how yous talk about the next trophy is your 55 or wtv on this page is why you see some ppl trying to help with the situation to clear things up. Just because someone post something on here dosent mean they are all tic fans, just as if someone disagrees with you dosent mean it is about hate yet that all you see yous post about. Most of fans btw the clubs and the rest of football see it as the oldco will be punished not your newco(but most of your fans see it as oldco so they think it is wrong to go after newco when that's not the case, stop listening to cg as he keeps contradicting himself) as well we can agree that spl/sfa needs a change of ppl. The fact that some say it is lawell and Celtic running the show is jus dumb, when you have ogilvy conflict of interest running the sfa, yet you go crazy cause over a lawyer that had a connection to Celtic. But new ppl should be brought in because they allowed this to happen, I mean you guys talk about how they should have caught this years ago, which your right, so that should show you that they were happy to go along with it to help yous. For all of Scottish football all the corruption needs out and that means the ppl who let it happen so someone new can take and look after spl the right way so it can become better.

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@4. You obviously must have been living on mars then. Hatred, many posts about celtic/other SPL fans refusing to but their season tickets or go to away games or have anything to do with football if Rangers were not ejected from the SPL. Lots of posts about Rangers already being sentenced/convicted by Celtic fans mainly, although not exclusively. Lots of Celtic fans(mainly) vehemently unhappy that we are still around and weren't ejected from football altogether. Etc Etc Etc need I go on.

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@1 ive forgot more about my Club than what u know the extent of it is massive scale that could easily be to the tune of 50-60 million just talking about HMRC here before i get Creditors this that and the next thing!

@2 What u on about man you're foaming at the mouth to punish something that doesnt exist the Oldco will soon be gone along with all 54 titles that we won along the way so what a massive victory it will be for the whole of Scotland if use take 7 away now will be the only victory tScotland will get!

@3 Who said that it was on here? Ur one of
Them Celtic fans that thinks Bigotry only comes in Blue anyway were a 3rd division team thats never even played Celtic why is it to any concern of theres what we now do!

Are u getting my point here guys we know knowone likes us we dont care i just find it pathetic how obsessed use get over whats happening use care about it more than gers fans its us that are laughing away and talk aboutt Thomas Rogne no getting a good enough deal or Ur upcoming CL opponents anything thats not Rangers use cant ure infatuated!!

Larky Bear

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Bigotry ? How many fans of your NEW club Have been arrested for singing sectarian songs in their new division, don't have the audacity to speak about bigotry till your own house is in order.
Tam

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OP, you say that the authorities knew about the dual contracts for years. What are you basing this statement on? I think you are under the impression that because the EBT payments were declared in the accounts submitted to the authorities that they would have known about side letters additional to the contract submitted to the authorities. This not how accounts work. They would have shown money being paid to the EBT fund, but I doubt they would show much more detail. Accounts just show overall information, not what individual players are being paid. Nor do I think the people running the club would have been stupid enough to declare in accounts that there were side letter which they had not informed the authorities about.
So although the authorities may have known about EBTs they would not have known that they were being paid to top up players wages.
Al

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@1 have you listened to yerself lately "the extent and scale of the crimes" WTF is that about, are you talking about saddam or gaddafi or bin laden or a game of football?

JG

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12 Sep 2012 13:47:04
"Johnston stressed that the scheme was simply a device to reduce the amount of bank debt"

No sh*t Sherlock.

It is ridiculous that Alistair Johnston made remarks the intimated this and yet the interviewing journalist never pursued it further!

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It's the same old, "succulent lamb" brigade.

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There's so much more to journalism than just printing a statement!

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Like any other plc or high wage earner ie lennon! is it an offence to save money or pay less tax on earnings, hmmm i think not. tambo65

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12 Sep 2012 13:31:49
Im a Rangers man and my best mates a Celtic fan for over 25 years,we have a laugh,banter, ect, but the thing that really gets me is! while we (both sets,and all other football fans) fight against each other our standard of life is being put back decades,it's getting harder to feed our wife and kids and find work while our governments screw us and things ain't gonna get better, maybe we have more in common than we think. the powers that be really know how to keep us from fighting them, rant over.

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Ah yes mate agreed, the old divide and conquer built the British empire, it still working today in Scotland.

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100%. Agree. With this post. While we fight and bicker the rich get richer. The super rich get super richer. And the 94% of ordinary working men and women r kept fearful of losing jobs and homes and r screwed at every turn by whatever govt. is in power

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Aahh, at last. I have many many friends who support both the Gers and the Celts. I am if the green persuasion (and I don't mean Charles). We are all the same, from the same areas, the same cultures etc. my ma and pa are mixed religion. If my lovely maw had put her foot down I'd be a Ger, but she let my old man introduce me to the wonderful world of being a Tim (not always wonderful, bit like Scotland). We are all Jock Tamsons bairns. Hate all this hatred pish. Not one Ger fan pocketed a penny out of the SDM fraud. Just a few moments gloating. And that's what we all would do. Ger or Tim.

Love. Out.

Shuggy (too much sense, need to lie down now)

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Sorry mate. Just read your post again, you didn't blame the Goverment for bigotry at all. I completely misread your post. Now that I've read and understand the post.. Yep mate, very good point.
Sorry again.

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12 Sep 2012 13:06:38
The 2 teams closet to my heart rangers and Scotland are getting managed by the worst 2 managers ever to manage in both teams history, come on Sally and shades make my day and chuck it.

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If that post is from a Bluenose, I'll eat my shoes! Geo the Ger

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Rangers fan? then say sally yeah what ever...mark.

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Not from a rangers fan yet another Imposter obsessed with our club!

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Do u honestly think that Scotland would qualify from that group no matter who is in charge? Levein probably not the answer but just who would guide us through in that group? We have to face it that Belgium, Croatia and Serbia have better players and are better teams than Scotland.

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Number 4, do you not think we should be beating Macedonia at home? Didn't think Serbia were that

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Did scotland qualify for any major tournament under smith or mcleish

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@4, me, anybody but leven, to manage means to bring every resourse you have at hand and get the job done , never mind the bullsh*t a certain player needs to want 2 play 4 scotland, if you where a striker would you want 2 play 4 scotland NO cause leven will leave you on the bench, tam65

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Number 5. Why should we expect to beat anyone these days? For all u want to slate Macedonia but they had the stand out player on show last night. Scotland aren't a great side and the fact we haven't qualified for a major tournament suggests we can't take anyone lightly

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12 Sep 2012 12:50:24
You have to laugh at the comments of Alistair Johnston yesterday. He's saying "The ebt situation isn't equivalent to financial doping as our opponents are suggesting. David Murray would have bought these players anyways and payed them the same without ebt's". So we would have been in division 3 about 6 years ago instead then Alistair? Rangers liquidated then, rather than now? What a f*nny! Just shut your mouth and disappear quietly, your not helping, just panicking now because your where part of it.

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12 Sep 2012 12:10:41
Just a thought - If as Charles Green says we may not go back to the SPL if we are not welcomed or fans do not want it, what would we do? If we win division one, where would we then go? {Ed039's Note - Talk of the SPL and the SFL completely splitting from each other a while ago but I dont see it happening as the 2 bodies will merge soon enough)

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We don't go back if they succeed in taking our titles from us. Their league will collapse without us, eventually. Geo the Ger

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Who cares if it collapses at least we all saw the back of rangers, enjoy the mire

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If titles are stolen from us by SPL/Celtic then Rangers shouldn't return to the SPL until titles given back.

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12 Sep 2012 11:23:19
Ally son! !


Whit is it Charles? ?

There is powerful influences banging at the door! ! They are coming for the trophies!

But Charles, you told me you bought the for a FIVER, where's the receipt? ?


It's in my other suit! ! Quick, you and badly get some six inch nails and use durrants heid to nail the front doors shut! !

: )

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12 Sep 2012 11:20:26
Not a rumour, just wanted to here fekllow Rangers fans opinions on our greatest ever select. Mine is Goram, Jardine, Numan, Greig, Gough, Baxter, B Ferguson, Gazza, Henderson, Sir Ally, hateley. 5 subs, Woods, Stevens, Cooper, Laudrup, Johnstone. Rangers Then, Rangers Now, Rangers Forever

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Goram, Numan, Gough, Butcher, Hutton, Laudrup, Gascoigne, Albertz, Prso, McCoist and Mols. Subs Woods, R De Boer, Novo, Lovenkrands and V Bronchorst.

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I.d swap ferguson and henderson fir laudrap and cooper.i.d have butcher and mcall on bench. never saw him play but heard eric caldow was some defender

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12 Sep 2012 11:18:41
Ah well div 3 player scores goal in world cup qualifier.

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I love it when you get the disagrees at posts on here which are without a doubt 100% factual, reported far and wide but still the disagree button is hit.
It makes me laugh picturing the type of nutcase who does it, everyone will know someone that you could say, you know what I bet it was so and so who disagreed with that.

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Whats yet point OP? What bout the guy who scored the equaliser, where does he play his football?

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Was that the draw against the mighty luxembourg

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Yes, and got a draw against a team of part timers. A bit like his club team. What's new.
Al

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12 Sep 2012 07:53:25
ed, i have just read the statement made by allistair johnston to the rst, it is a well written well thought out artice and all fans should take the time to read it, it spells out mainly two things, 1- just how corrupt and vindictive the spl are and have been regarding the ebt situation, 2- it reminds us of the criminal way craig whyte was allowed to run ou club. he points out that the spl are likley to fail big time in their persuit of old titles, the main reason to put it simply is= they havnt a clue what there doing!! well said al, more of the same would be welcome.........col.

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The former chaiman who was in charge when the mess started tried to defend his actions to those who want to think the club did nothing wrong. Preaching to the coverted, of which you're obviously one.

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12 Sep 2012 01:26:50
come on CL ...show all those naysaying knowall ..self important tartan army fans that your non-charesmatic ,lack of motivation and football knowhow that can if done properly can motivate even the most ordinary player to new heights....just ask jock stein...deecee

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Op you are right Forrest is one of the most ordinary players i have seen in a scotland shirt

JG {Ed039's Note - Everyone in a Scotland shirt was ordinary last night, apart from McGregor)

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@1 Fifteen players on park last night and you pick on Forrest.Wonder why?
Yes Mcgregor had an excellant match but he
should have been dismissed after doing a
Naismith on the attacking player.

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@2. i agree with you but then you go on to run down mcgregor our best player wonder why?...mark.

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@3: the post said he was excellent but should have been sent off - it didn't run him down. Try to read the post properly in future.

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@3 mark...did I not praise mcgregor for a
great game.He saved us from a doing,I merely pointed out he was lucky to stay on after his wee sleekit kick at the attacking player.Did you not see it?

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@ 3 .... maybe something to do with the fact that McGregor should have been sent off .

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Love the banter from both sides. How many times have we seen managers being replaced and suddenly, the same players abecome worldbeaters? The manager makes a massive difference in selecting, motivating, cajoling and sometimes giving players a good kick up the backside when necessary. CL is just not that type of guy and that is what Scotland needs right now - a motivator who can get the best out of ordinary players. Walter Smith, in his short period as National boss turned the same group of players around.

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12 Sep 2012 00:43:13
to be a successfull manager you MUST have charisma....and even more at international level...this laddie ha none ...period...deecee

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Arsene Wenger? Charisma?

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Ally McCoist: Charisma?

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Arsene Wenger = what 2 Trophys?

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Actually yes and i would luv him to manage scotland

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11 Sep 2012 23:57:58
black to mckay,into templeton,croses for shiels to knock it past the celtic keeper,who's name no one can remember.3rd division rangers beat the so cald champions,to lift the scottish cup.as the sfa pin stripes look on dumbfounded. they can kick us but the will NEVER beat us

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Hope you remembered to set your alarm Nobby !! Yous would have no chance against Celtic at the moment , sweet dreams my man lol

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11 Sep 2012 23:41:24
Okay I am Scottish and proud to be it, how many rangers are finished with Scotland , was at the game tonight , total shambles , 2 home games and 2 points not good enough, (only reason I went as it was a freebie & I won't be back) Levein must go maybe he's a good manager for 3rd maybe 4th best team in Scotland only. No way should he be our manager his tactics are woeful who the f does he think we were playing the last 2 home matches ? Spain and holland ? What ever happened to playing at our strengths I.e chasing the ball down , passion , fight , hunting in packs don't back off the other team total pis*ed off ex scot ger

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