Rangers Banter Archive September 12 2016

 

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12 Sep 2016 22:40:08
If anyone got time have a look at the Ibrox noise website abs check out the video analysis of our defensive mishaps that a supporter called Dougie has done . really plain to see where it goes wrong, point being is that if a normal supporter can identify our problems why can't mark n Davie, really hope we learn this time and kick on, also seems if our team is lackin a leader. Lee Wallace has done really well for us but to me we lack a butcher gough.



13 Sep 2016 04:12:25
Wallace was rewarded for his loyalty which is commendable but he is not and never will be a Leader and that is part of the problem. When the chips were down under Greig, Butcher, Gough, Amoruso you expected them to motivate the players around them, take the ball and lead by example and basically show that leadership quality. Wallace has none of these traits!



13 Sep 2016 06:57:54
Agree tom42,another great captain for rangers imo was barry ferguson who stood for nothing less than 100% and was a midfield general and leader on the park who was constantly lippy to teammates if they weren't doing it, baz never hid himself and we badly miss someone of his class, he was without question the best scottish midfielder to come out of scotland in the last 20 years! Bar none!



13 Sep 2016 07:24:44
wallace is crap, always has been.



13 Sep 2016 10:15:15
dont know if it was me shadow bear but most people can see where all the mistakes have been coming from, even last year too that's why i suggested moving tav further forward and putting hodson in behind tav for cover, plus i think crooks would make a good centre half, can't fathom out why o halloran isn't starting, what was he bought for then?



12 Sep 2016 22:35:09
Celtic fan in peace reading a lot into things at rangers survey us club should come together including celtic and say enough is enough shut the club (if the debt is that bad) let you stay in the spl as you deserve to be there and then let rangers get back to where they belong that way it benefits the Scottish game.



12 Sep 2016 22:15:13
Let me point at an obvious fact that many people on here seem confused about.

Loans are not investments.



12 Sep 2016 20:26:36
On another subject, the idiots that wrecked the away section toilets on Saturday are an embarrassment to Rangers fc, any sensible decent supporter must be embarrassed by these actions. The club must criticise this and do all they can to find these idiots. Also on this issue I hope Celtic do the same to their own mindless idiots for the sectarian and disgusting effigies on display, Rangers have commented on this but would hope we address our own issues and take action where possible. Its good to have old firm game back but sours what should be a good occasion.



12 Sep 2016 20:54:40
Shadow bear

Absolutely appalling by the Rangers fans who did this let's hope they are caught and banned. I don't think Celtic have come out and condemned their own supporters for the effigies or the disgraceful banner from the green brigade. However not really surprised that nothing was said against the green brigade as Lawwell has went out his way to appease these people and I'm sure has actually praised them. No wonder these people think they can do what they want when Celtic or Police Scotland do nothing.



12 Sep 2016 21:01:25
Well spoken Shadow!



12 Sep 2016 21:23:18
Well written post shadow bear!



12 Sep 2016 21:24:03
Im fed up of the lot of it, from both sides. We need a conserted effort from both clubs. Chairmen, managers, captains, fans groups to come out and tell these people they aren't welcome and will be banned and charged if caught. I think we also need some form of official fans to report those singing, a lot of european clubs have leaders of supporters groups helping steward and manage the fans. I can't be the only one who heard the songs for the first half.



12 Sep 2016 19:27:58
I am a fan of Warburton and King. However I'm not blind in my faith and can see they have made some mistakes.

Forgot example the signing of Hill and the other old boy we signed last season but never played. Also some of Kings more

I also think his line up and tactics were largely to blame for the result at the weekend.

What confuses me most is that we have played all the smaller teams this season with at least 2 defence minded midfielders but when we come up against the team we are going to actually need 2 we go with 1? For me not playing Halliday instead of say Garner led to Kranjcar chasing back and getting booked, Rogic overrunning us early on and our defence having no easy out balls which would all have gave us all less problems.

Having said all that I am appalled at the level of criticism of the people now in charge of our club.
Warburton is by no means perfect but has helped reshape our club in less than 2 years and this could benefit the club long after he leaves. He has unearthed talent and made rangers more appealing to young players. For those that say our tactics don't work whether you consider it 4-3-3 or as I see it a 4-2-3-1 can someone explain to me why so many successful teams are employing the same set up and that includes Celtic at the weekend.

As for slating King and co. He may have over promised but he was basically hounded into statements by fans demanding more openness after the past few years. However they have been the only people to invest any serious cash into our club in years.
That has meant everything from staffing, overdue building work, normal running costs. We have managed to bring in no less than 15 players this summer and all of this under a cloud of constant legal costs and legal threats with nothing more than ticket money. Celtic have all their retail and camps league money over and above anything we bring in so if they have bought a better quality of player I'm not surprised tbh.
Yet some people on here and elsewhere act like spoiled children and demand more.
I hear calls for a younger faster centre back who can head the ball and pass the ball! I hate to point it out but that would be any clubs ideal and therefore costs millions. Oh and they should be falling over themselves to play for us so a Rangers fan too. If anyone knows someone like this please tell me and I will go to Warbs myself and let him know.
I know things aren't great but they are improving and continue to improve. We have gone from Cribari to senderos. From Black to Barton and from Daly to Garner.
We need to step back and look at the big picture. We are not champions. yet! We are a work in progress.
The legal wrangles and retail situation will improve. More cash will become available and our restrictions lessened. New players will bed in and others will come in.
Have faith Bears. Some players will work out, some wont. Warburton won't be around forever but I think he will be remembered as a positive.
We have endured a long hard journey but some seem to think it's over and we go back to the way it was. Sorry but it is you who is wrong.
We are ALMOST there and the work being done now will hopefully keep us there forever!



12 Sep 2016 19:42:37
Spot on couldn't have said better. it will all come good, cracking post?



12 Sep 2016 20:19:50
Great post bluegenius. Well said sir!



12 Sep 2016 20:41:54
Bluegenius

I'll say it again we could have had Vaulks from Falkirk. A strong no nonsense centre half who was a goal threat. Instead we got a 37 year old, a 31 year old who hasn't played 50 games in 3 years and he continues to persist with the hapless Kiernan. You talk about Cribari however even he didn't give the ball away to the extent Kiernan does. You say we are a work in progress however we are going backwards at an alarming rate and the good football played last season is being replaced with a slow labouring team that are more likely to concede than score. The tactics are easy to defend against and he can't change it when it's not going well.



12 Sep 2016 21:26:16
Spot on blue genius, cracking post and agree with everything you said mate.



12 Sep 2016 21:48:59
I don't think there's anything wrong with the 433 formation its the players he's using in the system that's wrong. for example using miller out wide, using barton and krankjar in midfield when its plain as the nose in your face they don't have the legs for it as we seen against Hamilton, killie, motherwell never mind selik at parkhead. a midfield of rossiter, windass and holt/ halliday gives us more tempo and energy. the selik midfield isn't even that good tbh but barton and nico made them look great and when windass ran at them he was ghosting by them.2 good cbs and a left winger and it would look far more balanced.



13 Sep 2016 07:39:27
vaulks played centre midfield nearly every game last year maybe he doesn't want to play cb.



13 Sep 2016 09:02:27
Biffo as I said he hasn't been perfect. I don't think Vaulks would have been the answer and I think Warbs/ King etc have been put off shopping in the scottish market due to the overpricing evident. E. G. The Scott Allen Debacle and paying 3 times the amount for MOH that we did for Waggy!
I do think we are missing some expereince of the SPL in our ranks and I also think that Warbs underestimates the draw of Rangers/ Celtic to European players but as I said, although not perfect, the good far outways he bad!



12 Sep 2016 23:12:41
Eustace never actually signed.



12 Sep 2016 23:20:35
Bluegenius

Always been a Rangers fan always will!

But historical managers gave been sacked for less!

Is 5-1 against Celtic really acceptable?

We are all human but expect more of team to at least make an effort!

Was David Weir not a centre half - can he not tell our defenders gow to defend?!



13 Sep 2016 13:04:34
Ranger! We are all Rangers fans and I don't have any issue with people moaning or being disatisfied. We all have opinions. I too am unhappy at some of the things that have occurred.

It is the cosed mindedness of some comments that puzzles me.

For example you say that if any other manager had been on this run of results and/ or had a team beaten 5-1 they would be sacked. All being fair you would be right. However for this to be fair you have to ignore all the other things going on. We have been away from the top league for 4 years! We are being restricted financially too and all the other stuff mentioned.
Not only do I think other managers would struggle just as much I think most would fail more dramatically!



12 Sep 2016 19:04:51
Surely can't just be me that thinks Barry McKay is overrated? He probably passes wind more than he passes players. Celtic game aside, it's great to have lion share of possession but a back, sideway, forward, back, back sideway pass isn't going to win games.



13 Sep 2016 04:20:29
The most overrated player is Wallace who generally avoids criticism because he stayed loyal to the Club, but this season he has been poor and it has to be a concern that he can't cope in the 'bigger league'. What is more, he is never a Captain. He just does not have those leadership qualities that are needed.



13 Sep 2016 07:39:51
the most underrated player is foderingham!



12 Sep 2016 17:10:27
Warburton.
Good manager or not?

Since we beat celtic in the cup semi and not counting friendlies or the stupid league cup section we have played 10 games.

4 championship games (overwhelming favs) 2 draws and 2 losses.
1 cup final, gubbed.

This season, 5 premiership games (overwhelming favs in 4 of them) .
2 wins 2 draws and another gubbing.

At any other time this would result in the manager being shown the door.

How things have changed.



12 Sep 2016 17:34:45
I think his statement about lustig shows how poor a manager he is, forgetting the fact he's trying to get a player sent off, but he hadn't even been booked by then.
It just stinks of covering his own arse, I've said since the cup defeat from st Johnstone last year, he has severely under estimated the spl, and thought he would overturn us up here, it's no embarrassment getting beat from Celtic, as they are light years away from Rangers, but dropping points to hearts and Aberdeen will set the cat amongst the pigeons.



12 Sep 2016 17:43:56
this isn't like any other time! we have just been promoted after ears out the spl, we don't have brilliant players like we have had in the past. in those 4 championship games we still won the league so it is irrelevant. do you expect us to win every game?



12 Sep 2016 18:15:01
I expect with the players and budget we have to beat all the teams that don't have our resources. Obviously that is never the case but since the cup semi, his record is shocking.



12 Sep 2016 18:15:01
I expect with the players and budget we have to beat all the teams that don't have our resources. Obviously that is never the case but since the cup semi, his record is shocking.



12 Sep 2016 18:30:22
A lot of rangers supporters are unrealistic to where the club should be considering the financial position at the moment, though it is in a much better position than it's been in a long while on the field and behind the scenes that's not good enough for by the looks of it a good number of fans, our management and players must occasionally question sanity levels up here.



12 Sep 2016 20:43:42
Rfcbear

What are your expectations?



12 Sep 2016 21:37:59
When we got promoted and looking at delias celtic i thought we had a fair chance. Being honest rodgers has made a huge difference to them so 2nd is the aim and fairly so given the gulf in finances. We have always went on winning streaks then rough patches. I think with a full squad of new team mates and not many true leaders the confidence drops quick. If we get 2 or 3 good results in a row it could all turn.



12 Sep 2016 15:23:10
Absolutely shocking some of the stuff I have read on here today, get a grip lads!

MW and DW have worked wonders for our club since they arrived on a very tight budget, let's all remember that the money Warburton has had to spend is nothing compared to Rodgers and the fact Celtic are champions and we have just came up from the Championship so the defeat does not surprise me. We are a few games into a long season and 1 defeat will not define our season.

I will be the first to admit the tactics surprised me on Saturday, we have started with at least 2 holding midfielders in every game this season, so why change that against the best team in the league? Barton has had a lot of bad press since the game and when you have a mouth and a twitter account as big as his then you are going to take some stick but he was fully aware of that when he joined us, but he was far from the worst player on the park for us (don't think I need to mention any names) .

Anyway, I have every faith in our management team and fully expect us to finish in the top 3, for me that would be a very successful season.

On another point, people need to get a grip regarding our defensive situation. fans on here thinking Crooks and Bates are the way to go! They are both untested at this level and will need to time to learn and adjust.

Keep the faith bears!



12 Sep 2016 17:17:07
They maybe untested but a would rather go with them than play that dumplin senderos man is a donkey meant to be a experience player gets a stupid yellow card then hand balls it would rather he went with a young Scot and he made mistake wouldn't be as bad for the life of me a can't understand where all our youth players are surely there must be at least one half decent centre back what must our young players be thinking when we sign a 37 year old and a Swiss donkey first rule of defending is stay on your feet what does he do slides in goal.



12 Sep 2016 17:57:35
can i ask what wonders they have worked.

Winning the championship with less points and goal difference than hearts did?

losing the cup final from a winning position with 2 mins to go (knocking celtic out on pens? let's be fair is wans't a thumping or a standard 90 mins victory)

winning ramsdens cup against part timers?

Signing senderos, hill, barton, kranjaer and giving them game time over rossiter etc.

being unwilling to admit there is a gulf in class, shows defiance and through defiance comes ignorance to the situation.

Warburton and Weir are average. Robbie Neilson won the championship and fin 3rd last season on a budget of less than half of what rangers is on. Stubbs won the cup (albeit losing the league) but at least hibs qualified for europe.

signing windass, rossiter tavernier is about as good a wonder they have done.



12 Sep 2016 18:23:22
Kaney1983

Yes your right and that's exactly what I've been saying for a while now. With the budget he had last season he should have won the league. That was a minimum requirement. The actions of the Hibs fans after the Scottish cup final did him a favour as it took the spotlight off him and his poor tactics that day. We lost twice to Falkirk and Hibs away in the league and now have been hammered by Celtic away. At the moment can any Rangers fan say we aren't fair game for any team in the league? We have Aberdeen and Hearts away soon and is anyone confident we will win both games?



12 Sep 2016 18:59:16
Biffo: i am a celtic man, and i enjoy seeing rangers struggle, but this does not obstruct me from taking off the Bias Blinkers and make an observant judgement based on facts, and i like you albeit you have more of an emotional connection to the club have laid on the facts for onlyshow and rafbob and others and all they could come back with was the: obsession and paranoid remarks.

me and you can agree on the same facts we see regarding the rangers. but defiance, ignorance, expectations and hatred for your glasgow counterparts are handicapping others fans views. and this is only going to lead to more hurt and frustration for yourselves.

drop more points next week or get soundly beat by the dons and there will be a bigger storm, then maybe other rangers fans will realise what you already know "that Warburton is an average manager" and the club is not moving forward.



12 Sep 2016 22:48:20
Kaney 1983,Like Biffo 316 I'm a Rangers fan and I like to see Celtic struggle so enjoyed Lincoln Red Imps and HapoEl away. Didn't enjoy Saturday quite so much I'd admit though.
As for your statement that Warburton is an average manager I'd say-after 5 admittedly fairly poor to poorgames in the Premiership how do you or anyone else know that. Using your "observant judgment" criterion and 'evidence' of his failings I could make a similar judgment about Brendan Rodgers, a manager whose only actual achievement has been to get Swansea promoted to the EPL via the play-offs. A manager who should have won Liverpool the league but didn't but these things happen eh! I know quite a lot of Reds including my own sons who were very happy to see him sacked in 2015.They regularly criticised his selections and tactics too and said he wasn't much of a man manager either. Oh, but that's different isn't it as he's your manager. He has had a pretty good start and it could be said he's"worked wonders" with Celtic in comparison to Deila (like Warburton in comparison to his predecessors) but all he has done so far is what should be expected of him, surely.
The "gulf in class" statement by the way is what I'd expect him to say publicly. Imagine (hard I know at the moment) that the result had been the other way would you expect Rodgers to come out and say "you know what we're crap and it'll take years to catch them up "and if he did you would be happy with that. By the way I have no illusions about winning the league, had hoped for 2nd but realise if we don't pick up soon top 6 might be more realistic which will be poor given our budget just in case you brand me as another obsessed, paranoid Rangers fan but I do believe that Mark Warburton should be given the season to prove whether he is average or not.



12 Sep 2016 23:31:34
A number of our players did not complete or even meet other team members during pre season. You could se on Saturday our fitness levels were not as they should be. Warbs remarked on the league cup games impacting preparation -now those chickens have came home to roast -big time. Quite apparent many of our team -froze in the heated atmosphere of Parkhead- Played like Strangers rather than Rangers. I am convinced Warbs will get in right- TBH he does not have any other option -we all know the score.

true sign of madness is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. Barton is not match fit, neither is Krancjar - bench them until they are fit. Barton seems over or underwhelmed with Scottish football - not even close to the same player he was for Burnley last season

With regards to the usual platitudes about "learning from this experience etc" Suggest Warbs plays the video of the Celtic supporters revelling in our humiliation - If that's not motivation to get their act together- then sorry lads- Glasgow Rangers is not the club for you!



12 Sep 2016 15:22:15
I'm calling for mark warburtons head get him out now he's way above his pay grade the job is too big for him now thanks for getting rangers promoted but no thanks move on mark . I know it's only one massive defeat but it's been coming for a while rangers need an experienced man now and for Dave king to invest as quickly as possible no more excuses no more talk about January transfer windows it's all Kidology only a foolish man believes and don't forget king was on board when Whyte was there . I'm calling for at least 20 million pounds of Dave kings kids inheritance spent by next summer if not then I'm right what I've been saying all along . It's really simple you want a team that wins? Get major investment no freebies and an experienced head coaching it . Don't be fooled the squad is way off the mark and don't reply excuses for warburton or king.



12 Sep 2016 16:51:09
Bobby1872 what a load of rubbish you are spouting.



12 Sep 2016 17:11:48
This is what you get off glory hunters and fireside fans, get a grip bobby 1872 and back the management team and the players, far too early to be spouting total crap like that, time my friend time, we'll be fine under warbs and weir although it will take time especially where we've come from and what we've been through!



12 Sep 2016 17:40:27
ok Bobby. Who takes over? Agreed our start to the season hasn't been the best but to sack the manager after 5 games in the top league? Get a grip of yourself.



12 Sep 2016 18:25:28
Warbs15

Can I just ask what you base your opinion regarding Warburton? What do you think he has achieved so far for you to think he is the answer? Do you think he is right to continually play Kiernan? Are you happy with his signings in the last transfer window?



12 Sep 2016 19:29:01
Read warbs 15 posts from last week. Egg allover his face yet thinks it will be fine. Over hyped manager who has been found out V Top tier clubs. Let's see if it's still fine if points are dropped v RC and a defeat the following week by the dons. Still the guff of we will learn and no gulf between them. Oh and hm and weir wanting ML sent of for a first booking shows the attention they both had on Saturday. Mind the gap has changed from a gap to a different stratosphere.



12 Sep 2016 21:01:23
Biffo316,do you not think as a whole club that from 2 years ago that we've not moved forward? There is undoubtedly mistakes been made but I'll tell you what, warbs, sir davie, frank mcparland, the new board of directors, new coaches in our youth academy working under craig mulholland, all I'm saying is be patient and try and trust that they're building a football club from top to bottom which we will all be proud of in the future imo! I'm happy with a lot of his signings but not even the greatest managers get every signings right, try and back the manager and give him the benefit of the doubt.



12 Sep 2016 21:45:26
Warbs15

Undoubtedly the club has moved forwards in the last 2 seasons however I fear now we are going backwards. Realistically what do you expect us to achieve this season? What would you think progress would be? How do you think the 11 new signings will fare this season?



12 Sep 2016 21:58:55
Well said W15 - Can't believe the negativity recently. - Surely we all know it's going to be a rough journey - sport is full of highs and lows - we have the right management team in place - get behind the team -.



12 Sep 2016 23:07:16
My god Bobby you didn't miss and hit the wall with that post mate, until we start getting things like the merchandise problem sorted out and not getting loans to keep the lights on this is the position we will face.



12 Sep 2016 14:27:02
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12 Sep 2016 13:42:22
Warburton has done great in changing our club inside out . The new players need time to adjust and settle, we are third after 5 game Warburton needs to rethink some things but I back him 100 % all the signings last season were great and I think most for this season will be too give it time we will click soon with players coming back.



12 Sep 2016 14:05:54
Common sense prevails!



12 Sep 2016 14:06:10
I'm bored of hearing excuses now. We have been simply pish since we beat Celtic. Warbs needs to learn how to change the formation and system or else he will be out a job very soon.



12 Sep 2016 14:53:19
3rd after playing the 4 easiest games the SPFL could have given you! How is that an achievement?



12 Sep 2016 15:30:19
Totally agree damo666, some people expect a lot too soon, we are still a work in progress .



12 Sep 2016 16:00:21
wow half way through September and people are wanting the manager sacked, what a great support we have!



12 Sep 2016 17:56:45
easiest games? there are no easy games as you put it.



12 Sep 2016 18:03:25
onlyshow: i told you last week that you and your fans would be questioning MW after sat.

he is an average manager. knocking celtic out last season glossed over direct failure to win the cup. 3 league wins in 12 against teams whos budget is less than a quarter of rangers.

theres nothing magic about him or what he has done. i had respect for the way he spoke about the game of football until i heard the garbage he spoke on sat. the man is in denial. the demands of being the rangers manager are too high for him.



12 Sep 2016 18:03:25
onlyshow: i told you last week that you and your fans would be questioning MW after sat.

he is an average manager. knocking celtic out last season glossed over direct failure to win the cup. 3 league wins in 12 against teams whos budget is less than a quarter of rangers.

theres nothing magic about him or what he has done. i had respect for the way he spoke about the game of football until i heard the garbage he spoke on sat. the man is in denial. the demands of being the rangers manager are too high for him.



12 Sep 2016 19:23:00
We maybe only half way thru September but this has been going on since half way thru March, maybe scoring 3,losing 2 was OK in lower division but we have not scored more than 2 this season, we will draw or lose plenty of games if tactics don't change, we r easy to play against and if you bide your time, we will mistakes and give the ball away and lose goals, ie Hamilton, Motherwell, Celtic, n more often than not it is Keirnan that gives ball away, like our manager but signings wer meant to strengthen but it's slowed team down, Barton krancjar, they will not vote against Aberdeen and likes of Hearts away, u don't get the time on ball they guys want, Plan b has to come or eventually fans will turn against warbs .



12 Sep 2016 23:10:33
i think o'halloran and forrester running at the opposition and crooks and hodson filling in at the back would make a dfference, we got caught out on the attack by kiernans bad pass to me that's what changed the game, start of the 2 nd half if mc kays shot had went in to make it 2-2 could have been a different game.



12 Sep 2016 23:59:55
IMO we really miss Ball and Zal. Ball heading to Rotherham was the bitterest pill to swallow. I'm sure Warbs thought we would sign him. Panic buys never work - Senderos is on a one year contact. hope there is a get out clause. In his defence ( scuse the pun) giving him his debut in an Old Firm game at Parkhead was an error of judgment to say least!



12 Sep 2016 13:34:56
Calm down bears Warburton will turn this around up untill the 3rd goal I thought we were right in the game we must sort out our central defense though if we can do that we'll be all right.



12 Sep 2016 14:06:54
We should get Bougherra in on a the contract until the end of the season. Whip him off of Kilmarnock.



12 Sep 2016 14:07:01
We created very few chances. Celtic completely dominated us. Warbs can do his best to turn this around, however unless he learns how to change the system he won't get far.



12 Sep 2016 13:23:04
I think warburton is really going to have to work some majic over the coming weeks. He should realise Kieran, Barton and niko are not cutting it. We played at high tempo last season and need pace not old men. I'm sticking with Warburton tho given what he's done but i don't think King has any cash to spend on players or any other board members for that matter which is worrying. Every Rangers man and their dog knew we CB was priority and we were scraping the barrel on last day of transfer window? Why Why Why?



12 Sep 2016 23:07:37
Because we did not manage to get in who we wanted Wizards11.



12 Sep 2016 12:59:55
on saturday morning i got fantastic news that my wife was due with a baby boy, i already have two girls and tbh the bigger one didn't want to go to the football so i never pushed it well kinda, i had dreams of me taking my boy to ibrox growing up a bear with the respect that was passed on to me and sticks to this day, half my mates are celtic fans and we all had a pint on saturday night, my concern now is with growing social media the hatred and vile from both sides has worsened to a point of no return, the hanging of the dummies completely idiotic but personally i don't believe it had anything to do with suicide, the slogans again way too far but then us as a support go and trash the toilets because we act like weans when we get beat. Both sides are going to have to come together over this and stop it, why did stewards, police cctv everywhere allow this to happen . We know its a minority but that minority is plastered all over the news all over the world, it doesn't show me and my mates in team colours laughing having a few beers together it's time for it to stop end of.



12 Sep 2016 13:39:21
Congrats on your news dude.



12 Sep 2016 13:51:50
Cheers mate.



12 Sep 2016 14:08:18
There wasn't as much talk about the ibrox disaster memorial being damaged as there has been about the toilets being trashed. Are the fact the one of our ex players has had a death threat issued against him. For his crime of being an rangers player.



12 Sep 2016 18:10:30
Congratulations StmonkeyRFC! 100% agree with your post time for everyone on both sides to grow up.



12 Sep 2016 18:10:30
Congratulations StmonkeyRFC! 100% agree with your post time for everyone on both sides to grow up.



12 Sep 2016 12:55:50
Probably going to get a pasting hear, but my thoughts are the club is too big for the hat, everyone knows his tactics everyone knows on sixty minutes substitute, he sticks by his favorites (how else would kiernan get a game) he may be a good championship manager but not for the step up, we need a bigger character to take us where we belong, he looked shattered yesterday as if it had just dawned on him he's out of his comfort zone, we are Glasgow Rangers not Brentford . sorry hat, not magic for me.



12 Sep 2016 13:35:09
Yeah I know. bring back McCoist. 5 games in and 11 new players not yet gelled and he's a rubbish manager. !



12 Sep 2016 13:49:50
Favouritism will always pull a manager down irrespective of what profession they are in. There is no magic hat but I think he can still do a great job if he adapts and selects on merit. I don't agree with a lot of the posts hammering Barton at a time when all our frailties are central defensive and the door has closed on us being able to do much about it. Why this was not the number 1 priority in the off season is the biggest mystery of all and I don't buy into blaming King as a large part of our budget has gone into midfield players salaries when a couple of them are luxuries we could have done without.



12 Sep 2016 13:51:28
Warburton ain't going anywer anytime soon, so we can stop all this nonsense about bringin in a new manager, what i will say though is we need new formation when needed and the right players on from the start, he has to stop playin his favourites or ones he feels he needs to play.



12 Sep 2016 17:15:40
Why does everybody always say if we sack Warburton would we rather have mccoist back plenty of experienced managers out there.



12 Sep 2016 12:19:30
Yes disappointing

Must play Bates and Hodson ahead of other

Drop Wallace and old guys Miller, Barton and Krancar


Bring in Rossiter and speed in in midfield and attack

Introduce plan B

Start thinking about a new manager - given the current state of affairs with so many bad players brought in!



12 Sep 2016 12:45:24
I wouldn't mind Steve Bruce taking over from Warbs tbh. Warbs is a good manager down south were teams play open football, Scotland is more difficult to manage. teams sit back a lot more than down south. Steve Bruce I reckon could do a job for us, can play 3,4 or 5 at the back, can change things up, in my eyes he is a far better manager, most likely out of our wage budget though.



12 Sep 2016 14:56:44
Well Celtic never say back and played open football! I seem to recall 9 players defending in the box when Celtic were attacking! How is that open play from Warburton?



12 Sep 2016 16:01:26
Coloradoboy, we aren't just talking about the Old Firm match.



12 Sep 2016 12:24:46
After 5 games there are people already on here wanting blood
You should be ashamed to call your self Rangers fans after all the rubbish that this club has being thought in the last 5 years get a grip. there is no money for shirt sales and all the money that dose come in goes into the club to make sure that it survives and dose not fall to bits again.



12 Sep 2016 12:46:43
it's not 5 games though is it?! it's been since the old firm last year. open your eyes mate and take off the blue tinted glasses. Rangers have been dreadful since we beat Celtic.



12 Sep 2016 15:53:16
apart from the cup semi we have been rank rotten since we stumbled over the championship winning line.



12 Sep 2016 23:54:56
Agreed and that would be fine if we weren't duped into believing King had £30m to put in lucky if has put in tenth of that amount. We should be asking for answers, challenge him and his Board and not accept the propanda spewed out by Traynor and the Media monkeys. Where are we going his much have we git in real teams, who do we owe loans ti and on what terms. MW doesn't have a plan B. Does King and Co.



12 Sep 2016 23:15:48
I like your attitude little blue bear and I hope there are many more rangers fans like you out there, the Celtic version of you meant we got stuck with Ronny for 2 years, I hope warbola is around for even longer 😉.



12 Sep 2016 12:01:42
I think it's a bit early to be calling for Warburton to leave - we have had one competitive defeat this season, granted it was humiliating but he deserves the chance to improve.

Plus, who would want it, or who would we accept as manager? We are not in a position to attract top-level, i. e. like Rodgers, our current financial predicament and shocking mis-management from previous boards (some may also argue from the current board too) forces whoever the manager is to effectively recruit with one-hand tied behind his back.

We can only afford a manager who has potential and willing to work under our current circumstances - Warburton fits that model, and the thing about potential is that it needs to be developed and nurtured - potential will always make mistakes, it is about how it learns from these errors that identifies whether a manager lives or fails to live up it.

So we have to believe Warburton can do it - he rightly won the plaudits last season for how we played, and deserves a chance to get it right this season. If he can't then we let him go but not before.

I think he should at least be given till the end of the season but let's be honest the next month is vital - inverness, Hearts and Aberdeen. 3 teams likely going to finish in the top 6, not to mention a difficult game this weekend against Ross County who will come to Ibrox believing they can get something. If we fail to get results in the next month, and there is no sign of improvement then King may be forced to look for a new manager.

For the upcoming games, Warburton needs to stamp his authority - he should drop Wallace, who has not had a convincing start to the season, drop Barton who has underperformed and I would drop Mckay as a show of intent to the rest of the team that no one has a guaranteed place.

Krancjar and Senderos should also drop to the bench from Saturdays team, but it is the other three that would signal to the team that they need to perform. If Warburton does it, he should get a reaction from the players. If he fails to do it and we continue our poor form then unfortunately he may never get a chance to fulfil his potential.



12 Sep 2016 16:29:44
Well Senderos will drop from the team since he got sent off mate

Agree McKay should be dropped though not up to speed and too hesitant. I would like to see a team with Rossiter, Windass, Forrester, MOH and Garner involved.



12 Sep 2016 09:06:34
Morning fellow bears, some won't like this but I believe our manager made many mistakes on Saturday and has been for months now. its obv Keiran is not fit for the jersey, central defence has been an accident waiting to happen for months, krancjar should not have started, no legs so far, Miller acting as wingback against 19 year old when MOH on bench, for me the jury has been out on warbs for a while and things are going to get worse if his tactics don't change, rant over.



12 Sep 2016 09:36:23
My team would not have Keirnan in it at all warns needs to change system 4-4-2
Gk foderingham
Lb hodson
CB Wallace
CB Wilson
RB tavernier
Lw McKay/ Forrester
Cm Halliday/ Rossiter
Cm holt/ windass
Rw O'Halloran
Cf Miller
Cf garner/ waghorn

This would be the pool of players I would have in my team
Barton waste of time Krancjar waste of time honestly.



12 Sep 2016 10:18:02
joey will come good, he's played with the best last year while at Burnley, Niko will come good he played for Spurs before.

Doodoo will get 10 goals this year mark ma words.

We will make top 6, we were 4 years ago at the very bottom, now we are here. lol like jay z

get behind the lads, m, aybe we can get a cup.



12 Sep 2016 10:52:41
Wallace isn't a centre half would much rather try the young guy bates in there.



12 Sep 2016 10:53:37
Southsideger

Think when Crooks is fit you must have him in there.



12 Sep 2016 11:02:51
shadow bear,
I'll no doubt get slaughtered for this by the usual suspects, but unfortunately this has been coming for a while now. Our record since winning the league has been atrocious. I hate to say it, but it would seem MW DW are either watching a different game from the rest of us or haven't a clue what to do when things go wrong.

The signings in my opinion Barton, Kranjcar and Hill are not going to 'get fitter', they are as fit as they will ever be at this stage in their careers. The jury is out on Senderos, for the moment but I think he falls into the same boat.

The 'young' guys who have been bought should have gelled by now and should definitely have played more games.
My honest opinion, we are worse of than we were last year player wise.
I just hope Rossiter, windass, crooks, dodoo all prove me wrong. But by the time they do I think it will be too late for this year.
Top 6 - maybe?



12 Sep 2016 15:00:43
Like most on here I think will be interesting to see who MW picks for the Ross County game. I admire MW because he sticks to his principles in how he wants to play the game but I'm worried that this will lead to sheer pig-headedNess with him picking the same players to try and prove"everything will be fine once the new players have settled in"by which time we may be struggling to stay in the top six.
Instead I think he needs to say to Kiernan"you"ll be playing in he is under 20's and getting extra defensive coaching and until you prove you're worth it you won't be in match day squad again. To Barton and Kranjcar"sorry guys I took a gamble signing you both but it hasn't worked in you don't fit with how I want us to play so the best either of you will do is make the bench unless we have an injury crisis"I hope then he goes back to playing the more established younger players like Holt and even Halli day who hasn't been that good for a while either though whilst giving the lad Bates a try in defence and giving Rossi ter, Windass, Crooks and Do doo a chance to establish themselves. To be honest if we aren't going to do that well this year I'd much rather do it with a team with potential for our future rather than a group of has beens who offer little or nothing to that future.



12 Sep 2016 19:21:34
Does anyone else think we need a natural left footed winger? The team is so lop-sided its no real.



12 Sep 2016 08:54:42
Hi fellow bears what's people's opinions am just saying hypothetically if we don't beat Ross county and we drop more points does mark warburton as job then become under fire and will King and co do anything about this thoughts people.



12 Sep 2016 09:03:21
Under fire? he should pack his bags himself if we don't beat Ross County.



12 Sep 2016 09:15:25
Totally agree onlyshowaround, we have an easy start ( except Celtic ) next 4 games are huge in terms of our season already .



12 Sep 2016 10:16:42
Easy to see where the above posts are coming from and yes Warburton seems to have difficulty in picking a team for each game. He is however still in a learning mode and it will be interesting to see the team selections over the next few games. It is ridiculous to start talking of replacement etc. He needs time and we have enjoyed the performances where they actually play his game.

The current problem is that he now has a Squad to handle rather than the team picking itself as per last season.
Next few games are critical for team selection before the panic takes over. Another point is what part is Weir playing in team selection and tactics.



12 Sep 2016 08:30:58
The gaffer took a gamble and brought on forester and left one cb after the sending off what else was going to happen. I would have been ok with 3-1 they were the better team and at home.

I don't think it would have been so heavy if we had cbs.

I still in a way am happy he at least was going to have a go and took a gamble to get something from the game.

Cheer up everyone its a long season.



12 Sep 2016 09:04:28
It would have been more of a gamble to keep Kiernan on. Unfortunate that Senderos was sent off.



12 Sep 2016 09:45:39
Should Warbs not have moved Wallace to CB and brought on Hodson at LB
We need to focus on the next game v Ross County now.



12 Sep 2016 09:52:40
I love how people are disagreeing with me about keeping Kiernan on would be more of a gamble. he had parts to play in 3 of the goals conceded I honestly reckon with Wilson on instead we wouldn't have conceded as many. The boy is dreadful and isn't fit to wear a Rangers top.



12 Sep 2016 10:01:11
3-1 down with 11 men on the pitch, why not got for it? put 4 in midfield and try your best to get a result. or we could keep with the 4-3-3 which wasn't working?



12 Sep 2016 10:32:26
Education and MW got one. See what happens next.



12 Sep 2016 10:56:44
Onlyshowaround

I think Kiernan was quite happy to come off and I would agree with you had either Hill or Hodson replaced him. Don't think much of Hill however at least he is a defender. As for Senderos not unfortunate just plain idiotic. He again looked relieved to be sent off. Fastest he ran all day when he was running off the pitch.



11 Sep 2016 23:20:42
Think we maybe missed a trick not getting that Aussie midfielder Aaron Mooy, don't know how interested Warbs was.



12 Sep 2016 07:28:16
he joined man city don't think we could compete.



12 Sep 2016 10:58:12
Cee

No way we could compete with City however it was strange that they immediately sent him out on loan. Think he is around 25-26 so it's not as if he is a young emerging player.



 
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