Rangers Banter Archive April 13 2014

 

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13 Apr 2014 22:22:25
25 year season ticket holder. Decided I won't be renewing mines or the two kids for next season. A price increase and lack of site of Wallaces review leaves me with no faith. I will give King and Gough my money I don't think King is in it to get his money back I believe he's right to not line laxey etc pockets. The standard of football is making a mockeey of the shirt. Were beeing taken for a ride. i'm not willing to take a punt on the liars sitting on the board wasting money on legal fees to shut up anyone who speaks out against them person coward paper gangsters who are out of their depth.

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Better get used to sitting in the house then because if you don't back your club then it WILL disappear forever. King has already said he WONT put any money in. so why is he being treated as the messiah. you have got a top chief exec who knows what is needed to put the club on a level footing but that doesn't seem to be acceptable for SOME rangers fans. You still seem to want the sugar daddy, the instant success, the Murray years all over again, why not try living within your means and building a platform to grow the club again. DK really is not the answer to any of that. Where was the white knight when he was really needed. looks to me like he is playing a tune and wanting to see you all dance. DK, Paul Murray and ANYONE else who had anything to do with Rangers the 1st time should be chased down the Govan Rd and the fans should unite behind the men who are trying to make the club viable. maybe a stupid idea but it seems to work elsewhere!

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Ally Mac you state by starving this club of season ticket money the club will disappear. Can you guarantee the we we are being run this won't happen in a few years. If being truthful your answer should be no.
Giving this board more money is like papering over huge cracks.
I may be alone on this but I would rather have a team that takes 8 years to get back in spfl that is being run properly and making profits.

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If you knew your facts mate you would know King was banned by the south african courts from making any foreign investments pending the outcome of his tax trial so was unable to help the club. But with a user name like Ally Mac I wouldn't expect you to know anything about football just like our manager of the same moniker. King has never said he would not put money in, he has said he can afford to put in £30 which he says is not enough to pay Laxey and co for their shares and fund the rebuilding of the team and scouting to be ready for the SPL which is fair comment. Why should he if he is willing to help line investors pockets when the real help is need in rebuilding. You say we have a top CEO Wallace was a failure at City. He has consistantly misled the fans with paper promises. The truth is the hedge fund investors who own our club want a quick return and the more you feed them season ticket the more they steal away in to their pockets while the club stays stagnant. We won't win the league next year with this team. Our good players are also having to consider moving as there is no money to keep them i. e Andy Little whos keen to stay and his contract is coming to an end. Back the board you back disaster. don't be a mug.

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@1 mate he said he wanted to get other investors and if that didn't happen he would put the money in himself also this board are wsting money not putting the club on a good financial footing also wallace can't be trusted

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3: I know nothing about football, probably forgot more than you have ever known. You have been on here constantly belittling the board, belittling your manager, belittling anybody that doesn't seem to lean to your way of thinking. I am glad to see that you highlighted your saviour as a tax cheat and a shameful and glibless liar. is this really what you are asking the real supporters of your club to unite behind. The companies who invested heavily in your club when the IPO came around are not in it for a "quick buck" because if they were then they would have traded their shares at it's highest point and not held onto them until they are making potentially a 50% loss. It seems your perception of investment bankers is coming from listening to the pied piper of govan and his cronies. The people who invested in Rangers are there for the long term "unless" someone offers them silly money for their shares. Now, if Rangers get back to the top league and are competing then the ticket money goes up, sponsorship goes up, prize money goes up and off the back of this profits go up and that is where they make their money. This is exactly the same thing that happens at every publically owned club, Celtic are no different HOWEVER the Celtic shareholders all elected to not take any premiums form the club rather leave the money in for the manager to spend however there was not a large enough take up of shares by the Rangers support at the time so CG went to the City. If you think DK and with holding funds from a club already shipping £600k a month is the way forward then you my friend are an person. Why not allow the chairmanChief Exec to get the money in, look at the business model, cut the costs and put in place something that is sustainable. that doesn't fit your perfect world though does it. You want tens of millions in investment, all rangers men in the boardroom, buy players for huge money. a business model you may be familiar with already and the results then were not to your liking. So far you have believed everything DK has said without any scrutiny, because he is saying the things you want to hear. maybe if the board say they need to cut wages, cut costs, increase prices and over the next 5 years the club will be sustainable then you will listen and accept that this is a new dawn.

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2: You are right I cannot say that however the people you have in the boardroom at the moment seem to have the club's interests at heart by way of a sustainable business model. BUT I am not privy to the goings on in the boardroom but when someone tells you the clubs current situation is untenable and costs must be cut then maybe the fans should listen and if it takes 8 years to get back then you do it on the back of the fans and not relying on some very iffy guy who lives as far away from Ibrox as he can possibly get. The fans money is all that Rangers have to keep them going, take that away and the club folds, it is simple economics.

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I dont say back the board and I definetly don say back king king blames the board for no transparency but he is the same if he would show something that's tangeable that myself and others could look at and help make our minds up but as things stand with his starve them out policy I cannot put any faith in him his previos record is as bad as the bandits everyone thinks he lost his £20 ml the last time but as far as I can remember he got nearly all of it back but until he comes clean about his intentions myself and maybe more bears than u think will be wary of him I wll not repeat what I have said in he past because its a distinct possibility liquidation /oblivion until ther is some bettter plan b we cannot take risks with club future nor can we leave macoist in charge in my opinion but that decision is not for me to take

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Ally mac I agree with most of your opinions but you fail to remember these board members who say the situation is untenable have made it that way.
Granted these board members are not 100% to blame for that, but what have they done to change things.

We are still paying high wages.
Still have ally as manager.

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8: The current chief exec has asked for time to try and sort it out. All the fans wanted rid of CG'S cohorts like Stockbridge and Imran and they have gone. You know have some guys in there who have some knowledge on how a business should be run why not give them the benefit if the doubt. All of a sudden all of the useless spouting has stopped, all the false promises have stopped and they are trying to go about their business professionally. Listen, I can understand the fans mistrust but at some stage stability has to be brought to the fore. The league is won, so now give the board and manager time to sort out what they need to do for next year and if it means cuts then so be it. short term pain, long term gain BUT only with fans support. Keep the chancers away, keep the vocalists away and let the fans support their team and you never know, the end product may well be what you all want.

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I despise current board but am in no hurry to see Dave King take over either! The man is a crook, op 3 states how South African courts barred him from foreign investment so he couldn't assist, what does that tell us? He eventually plea bargained and pled guilty to 41 criminal counts of contravening the South Africa Income Tax Act and had to pay over £20million to avoid jail! Guilty! Just like Easdale. He was called a liar by the judge. and this is who some people want to take over!

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Ally Mac your delluded, just keep feeding the investors your cash and watching a low level of football, I won't be I want change.

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Allymac

Why should we give the manager more time? Are you happy watching that standard of football for the past 2 years? Are you satisfied with Ally's cup record? Are you happy with his signing policy? To me he is the biggest problem at the club, the man is a liar, can't manage and is totally inept at his job

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11/12. Over the last 2 years the club has been to hell and back. the big word there is back BUT I would rather it was done using a sustainable model that means the club continues to flourish, withholding the ST money will only casue more financial woes and potentially another insolvency. Listen, the current CE told everyone that the club needs to cut costs, the model wasn't sustainable by a top flight club never mind one in the 2nd tier, so here is an ingenious idea why not give the club the ST money and let them prepare a budget based on their incomings and outgoings and if costs have to be cut to make the club sustainable then that's what needs to be done BUT they can't do that if they don't know what commitment they have in terms of ST money. The manager isn't good enough but he is on a ludicrous contract that was given to him by CG because he publicly supported the board of the time, it would be too costly to get rid of him but why not allow him 1 season in the Championship and if he can get the players to step up and win it then maybe he will prove some people wrong, I don't think he will but he deserves the chance surely. Oh and for the record I am very far from deluded, I am a realist who see's the difference between someone leading me a dance and someone who is trying to make the blow of the truth a little less painful. I know who I would trust.

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13 Apr 2014 18:02:27
To all the fans slagging the board and I'm 50/50 between present board and Mr king what's this about new shirt sponsor the internet gaming company 32red.
r. f

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@rf you must like getting treated like a mug because that's what this board are doing to all of us fans

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Is the new shirt deal not for when we reach the top league or should I say if we reach the top league

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It's a PR stunt to assure all us fans that All is Well!. total sticking plaster on a mortal wound.

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Dave king won't be any better

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13 Apr 2014 22:26:29
Out
Mohsni
Simonsen
Foster
Little
Cribari
Faure
Smith
Shiels
Black

In
Gunning
McCall (manager)
Handling
Maclean
May
Anyone else agree?

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N4 I don't think dave king could be any worst

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@5 I disagree. Only Simonsen, Foster and Cribari to be out of your hit list. The rest, with a few more freebies added in the transfer window, will be enough to help Ally's Gers to win the Championship.

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Don't know about the people coming in however would agree with every out u mention. However in reality it's likely only the ones out of contract will leave. Who else would want the others? I would also add Hegarty and Hutton to that list as well

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13 Apr 2014 17:04:52
I think most fans want a radical overhaul of the current shambles at Ibrox, although we disagree on the manner best suited to achieve the satisfactory goal.
In my opinion, to hold back season ticket money and thus starving the club of essential cash will be disasterous for us. However, I think the board should, immediately, give the fans a clear indication of their plans for firstly, the forthcoming season and, in due course, our long term future. Should they fail to give clarity, then implement a withdrawal of support for the three home games left this season.
Similarly, it would be interesting to hear a more detailed indication of Mr King's plans, instead of his 'starve the board' and he'll get a £50million investment.

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So let them blow smoke up our @rse again pay for our season tickets then when they go back on there word start boycotting? I don't see how that works just gives them another payday.

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The McCoist era has pushed Rangers to the brink of extinction, we are hemorrhaging money, we don't even know what assets the club owns, Whyte, Green, Ahmed etc etc are circling like vultures. Surely now is the time for some honesty, if DK wants to take over Rangers he should tell us his plan as it involves our money, if he doesn't I would be hesitant to give any of them my money. I do agree with boycotting the remaining games this season to keep the pressure on the board and more importantly McCoist.

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LB, I accept what you say but I honestly believe that they will borrow the cash, using assets as security, to enable them to secure running costs. Thus enabling the club to be stripped completely and liquidated again.
We're goosed if we do and goosed if we don't unless some middle ground can be found.
And as for ownership of the assets, we must believe that the auditted accounts are accurate. If not, that is a totally different ball game.

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Here here smokey bear

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To be honest why should you know what assets the club owns. It is not the responsibility of the board to tell you what they own and don't own. You are there to SUPPORT the club and its employees not to get to go through the confidential paperwork. What difference does it make who owns Ibrox, you still play there, it is still your home so the deeds are irrelative. The Rangers fans showed on Saturday what a packed Ibrox behind their team is like, I know the result wasn't great but surely all of the supporters together backing the team is the way forward. If there are outside sources who want to fight for boardroom control then let them get on with it BUT the fans should always be behind their team and their club because IF you decide to desert them then the likelihood is you will start next season minus 25points! Well done Mr King, integrity on and off at the touch of a button!

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Allymac, I agree that certain documents should be privy to board members and yes, we are there to support the team. The main concern is the amount of money the club has haemorraged. Yes, Wallace etc. are working on their 120 day plan but given the circumstances they must try to win supporter's confidence and giving us an outline plan is only reasonable.
King is using the fan's feelings on everything that has happened for self gain, but the fans need change and the only way to put some pressure is bums on seats.
You seem quite happy with the manager and the team's performances, but I can assure you that is a minority opinion.
An outline plan is not much to ask and I doubt that without it more than 15-20% of season tickets will be renewed.

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@5, Am I missing something here or are u on here to spin? Every other True Rangers supporter on here would use the text "we" when you use the term "you"and "your" as in "you still play there" and "it is still your home" as though you are not one of us??

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Good point does make you wonder

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13 Apr 2014 14:52:13
Will dundee united charmain Thompson remain in the stands with his fans at Parkhead or will he be in the directors box sitting on Lawells knee?

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Think he was just sittin with his own fans because he is a fan!hes not liked amongst us gers fans but end of the day he has the interest of his own club at heart all of the time unlike the folk runnin ours!

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Pity some of our directors not more like him, yes he is a fan and does like sitting with the fans and I believe drinks with them after games.
What do we have o yes Eastdale boys. and mmmmmmmmmm some other nameless wonders

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13 Apr 2014 14:06:33
Loving watching Liverpool v Man City today. Really hope Liverpool win the title this year. Would be a fitting tribute to the 96.

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13 Apr 2014 17:01:53
Fantastic entertainment and Brendan Rogers really is a manager.

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Great to see a real manager in action unlike the imposter we have. Wonder if Rodgers would ever come out with a statement that he didn't read his contract? Would like to see Liverpool winning the league as well been great to watch them recently. Wonder if they do lose the league on the last day of the season will Rodgers be signing on the Karaoke that night?

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