Rangers Banter Archive August 13 2013

 

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13 Aug 2013 22:18:54
Why do we get so many people on this site moaning about the goings on at ibrox yet no-one seems to do anything. I mean we can't even seem to be bothered to properly protest. its pathetic. We all disagree with the way things are going so why don't we do something about it? Set a date and time and let's all get down to ibrox and protest against these clowns taking us all for mugs and bleeding our fragile club dry. I include mccoist in that catagory aswell, says all the right things about us the fans and how much he's hurting and how much he cares. HE IS TAKING FORTUNES FROM RANGERS. while giving us pure pish on the park. ally, I would give my life to have your job and I would do it for free. your a disgrace. let's make a stand people before its too late.

GOVAN BEAR

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I wonder if you would feel the same when you were all winning? Murray was taking liberties during his time, but no protests! I am sure if you were winning trophies you wouldn't care at all and that looks like the attitude of all your fans!

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Too late mate. It's a waiting game now. The season tickets were the only tool real fans had.

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I know what your saying mate, but we need a leader if some random person states a date and time who going to turn up, it would have to very well organised and would need someone like John brown to get people turning up

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@op totally agree mate in all honesty we've missed our chance it was the last home game when we had 40 plus thousand and nothing happened so at best we could hope for is the next home game the 31st aug a really don't think our fans really care to go before that and even at that probs nothing will happen we are good at posting comments on here and other sites all bark and no bite by the looks of it but if anybody does care enough to do something before then il be there

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Govan Bear The simple answer is it's obvious not enough of you care.
Tam

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Aye its same old same old. Everyone has great suggestions but no one will get off their backside and do anything. Grumble and complain then more of the same when admin 2 rears its head. All you hear is someone needs to organise this and that - who is that someone? I'm looking to arrange an apathy meeting if anyone can be bothered turning up.

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It strikes me that as a support you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. In the one corner is the old guard who have treated your club like a cash cow for years and therefore wish to linger on out of self interest. In the other the new kids (spivs) on the block who are spending whatever they can get their hands on.
Hopefully there is a middle, untainted by the Murray era who also has the best interest of the club at heart waiting in the wings to take over.
As an outsider looking in I would imagine that increasing the fans shareholding through your Football Trust or privately is maybe the best way to assist any trustworthy potential buyer of the club. It might be better to spend your money that way rather than further funding the current regime by purchasing more merchandising, catering, match day programmes, Rangers TV etc etc now that the season tickets have been sold.
Apologies for intruding.

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14 Aug 2013 08:30:14
The problem is that the same state of mind that set in years ago has survived the deluge of administration, indeed may be even sronger now. I'm talking about the greed to be on top at the expense of anything else and the ability to stick heads firmly in sand to ignore anything that might upset the vision that rangers are on the verge of greatness. The apathy is absolutely shocking when the facts are there for everyone to see. And its embarassing how easy it's been for Whyte, Green, McCoist, and the rest, to rely on the gullibility of the fans to buy into that illusion, in order to commit robbery and rape of the club in broad daylight. This is why most people have no time for the cak spun by the papers and fan groups that "the inocent fans are the ones who suffer most". The attitude of the fans - putting greed for "supremacy" above sensible analysis and positive action - takes them out of the "innocent" category. Complacency is just a guilty part in allowing the mess to get worse, and its all drive by the pathetic dream of being "saved" and "restored" to the "rightful position". What a joke. But hey, shout me down. It's a lot easier to do that than to face realityand do somerhing about it.

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The people I am so frustrated with are all these supporters clubs, trusts, assembleys, union bears, blue order ect ect ect why are you lot sitting back and watching us get shafted? it is down to these guys to organise something. Its all going to fall through if I try to organise it myself, no one will bother turning up will they? if anyone wants to sort it out let's get suggestions in.

GOVAN BEAR

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Think ally sold his shares in first day of trading made a fortune as he got them for free

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N9 boycott ibrox till the spivs sit up and pay attention

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13 Aug 2013 19:56:25
You are STILL taking players on trial! STILL!

Steve Simonsen in as a prospective RESERVE goalkeeper. Will this club ever learn? Can any of you give me one justifiable reason for this? Does the term "cutting your cloth to suit" just apply to everyone else in the world? If this happens and more importantly if you endorse this then this club is beyond help.

Gaz {The Ed039's Note - gaz nobody endorsing - see previous posts)

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Gaz for once I totally agree with you, Scott Gallacher has already stated he is happy to stay and fight for a place and the young lad looks like he would handle life in the SPFL 1 well.
Why we need another 34 year old keeper on a wage is beyond me. PB

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Sure Ed that feeling is coming across, all be it you are the only to reply so far and I was only asking if anyone did/could actually endorse it. But surely this has to be one of the many, many points raised with the powers that be.

There seems, rightly, to be outrage at Imran today but this, equally unjustified expenditure seems to have slipped under the radar if they do indeed sign Simonsen or whomever. Rangers should walk this Division with Gallacher, no matter Bell, let's face it.

Gaz {The Ed039's Note - spot on Gaz, not having a go mate, as usual a very sensible post)

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I must agree with gaz I think we should only have brought four players max for this season 1gk 1cb and 2 for up front.
steveblue

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Totally agree PB plus Gallacher is likely to be the goalie till Sept, hardly filling him with confidence Ally are you? I haven't heard criticism of him for either Forfar goal and let's face it, Brechin's was a cracker.

Gaz

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No worries Ed :)

Gaz

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What is wrong with the alleged Rangers fans on here, is there not a single one of you who can work on the simplest iota of logic

Gallacher will be in goals till September and then parked on the bench for the forseeable, let's be honest Cammy Bell has the gloves until he breaks a wrist or a leg, don't care how many goals he let's in, like Alexander last year, he's the goalie

So what progress can Gallacher possibly make parked on the sidelines?

Does it not make more sense to punt him out to a club where he's the clear first choice, building experience in a low pressure environment and learning his trade?

Does it also not make sense to cover this with an experienced keeper who will be on peanuts and at an age where he will accept a 1 year deal?

Use your heads people, I like Football Manager as much as the next guy but this is the real world where decisions matter

You'd think we're trying to sign a £100,000 a week player, he's a 34 year old coming from Dundee ffs

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Ahh well there you go Ed, it wasn't as straightforward after all lol.

@6) There's this slight matter of £10m and relative washers coming in till next July, you might have heard about it? The club's expenditure for the year will be about £30-£35m. One potentially good revenue source is gone, the League Cup.

Short of major investment or drastic cuts the party is over come February or so. Make no mistake about it, this isn't alarmist, I thought you had a minimum of £16m left going into last week £10m is mindbogglingly low. There is NO CHANCE if things remain the same that Admin 2 won't happen, no chance.

With a buffer zone of £10m and whatever income becomes available every corner needs to be cut from now to then to stand any chance. Experienced RESERVE goalie - a luxury, to be honest (and these are the last folk I'd wish it on) 22 front office staff - a luxury. It might mean 14 doing the job of 22 or whatever but it's better than nowt surely? Director/managerial bonuses - a shameful affront and a luxury. Right now even Bell is a luxury in that the primary criteria of winning the league can probably be done with Gallacher, short of a Scottish Cup run what is the point of Bell at all?

I suggest humbly 6) that it is your head that perhaps needs a bit more "using" as about £18-£20m income doesn't trump £30-£35m expenditure, that is the simplest iota of logic in this whole debate.

Gaz

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@6, couldn't have put it better, some people just want to come and have a go at mccoist instead of looking at bigger picture ie. when greegs went out on loan for a season playing every game it brought him on in leaps and bounds and gave him the experience of 1st team football and not bounce games once a fortnight BT

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@6/ What your missing is when Gallacher goes on loan that will be it. He will start playing regularly and he will be moved on. He should have started playing last season when Alexander let it be known he was leaving.

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@8) Where was the bigger picture when McCoist failed to blood either Kelly or Gallacher in the remaining 5 league games after the Division was won last season? The guy's bigger picture is about the size of a postage stamp.

Between the games Gallacher can play till September and perhaps games at the end of the season when the league is done (if by some miracle admin is avoided) then he may have 10 or so games under his belt. That will be higher than most reserve goalies.

But here is the real bigger picture, there might not be a bigger picture. The best £340 Rangers can spend this year is 34,000 pennies strategically dropped on the heads of every season ticket holder, it may just jolt some of you into the reality of the situation.

You made a great point about Greegs, came on leaps and bounds, how many millions did you make on him again? Oh wait, he buggered off when the club went into admin. When your argument aids the counter-argument, it's best not making an argument at all.

Gaz

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If you had read previous posts gaz you would seethat many of us suggested we promote the youth keepers on alternative weeks when they aren't playing.

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@11) Some of you are on the ball however I did note that despite all the rightful money concerns in here I was the first to mention it as another example of the financial madness at the club. Any example of it you should be picking up on immediately, that story was about practically all of yesterday and as far as I could see no one mentioned it.

You have to make it abundantly clear to them that any example of financial folly as things stand is not welcomed. And for me and some of you (alas not all as BT proves) an experienced reserve goalie falls into that category.

Like it or not, the bottom line is despite many suggestions of otherwise, 34,000 of you gave this board and their financial management a ringing endorsement in the very recent past.

Gaz

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Dont worry gaz greens time is short

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@13) it matters not to me, none of the above would be my candidate.

Gaz

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@7 This is Rangers, and with that comes certain expectations

The games last season after winning the league were still games we HAD to win, because we are Rangers

We started bringing through 16/17 year olds like Stoney when we could but the fact remains that we HAD to win

What happens if Bell does break a wrist and the young keeper bottles it?

and I'd like to point out exactly who was playing in the game that put us out of the league cup, it wasn't the extravagant superstars we've been snapping up for big bucks was it

We are Rangers, we need to win every single game, the point of Bell is that we're building a team for at least next 2, if not 3, seasons

Anyone who says the youngsters we have can win the league is a bloody fool

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Rangers should use gall until sept even if we lost all games until sept surely we would still win this division when new players appear

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@15) Do your expectations include potentially TWO admin events in 23 months? This win at all costs led to the huge over spend on Flo (coincidentally after Celtic gubbed you 6-2). Leading to being net sellers for 3 of the next 4 seasons. This win at all costs led to financing a squad you couldn't realisticaly pay conventionally which led to EBT's (need I go on from there or have you actually grasped the rest?)

As for last seasons squad, you are saying a squad that won Division 3 by what, 24 pts? can't cut in Division 2 with only minor adjustments, really? How typical of the win at all costs, regardless of the longer term damage to the club attitude, much like last season you've brought an atomic bomb to a fist fight.

And regards these expectations, do they include your manager? I've got a feeling he didn't live up to them by your criteria on perhaps a dozen ocassions last season.

You are looking at things 2 to 3 years away when the cost of it might get right close and personal in about 6 months time, hasn't that sunk in yet?

Rangers - we need to win every game. Bankruptcy? Who cares as long as we beat Brechin the week before! Enjoy what's left of your club 15). If attitudes like yours prevail you might not get the chance much longer.

Gaz

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Gaz, it's win at all costs because the alternative would destroy us, we cannot afford to not win the league

It's not me saying I demand a win every week, because I'm one of the seemingly few who have some speck of common sense, but this site is a prime example of the lunacy of people saying we realistically could win a cup this year

Ramsdens aye, not the other 2

Ally lived up to my expectations, he won the league, which is all I'm caring about right now, he also won it comfortably but this whole thing comes down to a couple of points

Money has been spent, wrongly imo, on outrageous bonuses, it has also been spent on paying off big earners, which had to happen

We are not signing big buck players, in the context of why we're buying them, we're signing either players who have long term, back to the top flight, futures ahead of them, aswell as some experience that was badly lacking last year and will only help the youngsters coming through

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@15 you already had won the league and (we are the rangers)had'nt won all there games, so why did'nt ally (i'm in it for the money ) not give the younger players a chance to get some first team experience

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13 Aug 2013 16:50:46
what is the big deal SDM had lots of companies ie catering etc to take money out the club for years also used the name of Old Rangers to promote business

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That's right and who actually thinks P Murray would run it any differently? The only model he knows and was up to his neck in was SDMs model of running the club.
Running it into the ground. eventually being financially managed competently by Lloyd's bank for four years to sort it out and get the debt down. Despite p Murray and Alastair Johnston wanting to buy buy more players for McCoist.

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SDM at least keep club running and winning for years.

this lot in trouble in first year of trading.

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What a stupid post? So basically what you're saying is SDM used the same tactics that are being used now. It was his business dealings that triggered the financial difficulties and started the ball rolling to the mess we are in today. Why would you think it isn't a big deal that others are employing some of the same tactics used by SDM when the result of his dealings was so catastrophic? of course it's a big deal.

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13 Aug 2013 20:00:12
True although Keith Jackson and the succulent lamb brigade weren't so keen to point that out.

Our troubles all started with SDM and no Bear should ever forget it.

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And where did SDM take the club?

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@5 drove your club into potential oblivion before off loading for £1 to Whyte! Is that enough?

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N. O 2 keep with the programme
why are we here
because murray would not bite the bullet and cut costs
Sh@tfest 2
because this crew would not cut costs
so on and on this nightmare goes
where did our money go with debacle N. O 1 ask murray
why are we being hounded like this,
you would think that someone was shafted for 22 m or something

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13 Aug 2013 16:43:44
The group behind a purchase of two million Rangers shares claims it will not have any involvement in running the club.

Laxey Partners Limited increased its stake in Rangers International Football Club plc on Monday by buying more than two million shares for around £840,000.

The purchase, held on behalf of the firm by nominee shareholders Credit Suisse, saw Laxey’s stake in Rangers rise to around 4. 99% of the company’s issued capital.

It is not yet known who sold the stake to Laxey Partners, which is an Isle of Man-registered hedge fund.

The firm, which is led by investment bankers Colin Kingsworth and Andrew Pegge, is believed to have paid £1m for one million shares as an initial investor in the newco Rangers last October.

Mr Kingsnorth stated that his firm was not in talks with any of the separate factions vying for control of the club.

He told STV: "We have not been in discussions with any of the various groups at Rangers but are keen to see the club stabilise. We won’t have any involvement in appointment of people or management.

"We invested money in the club when it was needed and before it listed on the stock exchange. All the infighting and EGMs (extraordinary general meetings) need to end so the club can get on and run itself properly with the right financial support. "

As part of the deal, the group entered into an agreement to guarantee its shareholding is not diluted. It ensured if the share flotation price was lower than the £1 paid by Laxey, it would receive additional equity in Rangers International to ensure its stake was not devalued.

It is understood that as a result of Rangers International’s 70p opening stock market flotation price, former Rangers chief executive Charles Green has agreed to transfer a chunk of his 7. 7% shareholding in the company to Laxey.

In a previous announcement to the London Stock Exchange, Rangers confirmed 714, 285 shares owned by Mr Green would be transferred to Laxey in December this year, when his 12 month lock-in agreement over selling his shares expires.

On Tuesday, in the notification to the exchange about its increased shareholding, Laxey Partners noted that its 4. 99% holding in Rangers was its current position and did not include the shares due to be transferred to it from Mr Green.

Mr Green purchased five million shares in Rangers at 1p each as part of an agreement entered into on October 31 last year. This came days after the deal with Laxey, which was dated October 19, 2012.

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If as you say Laxey paid £1 per share that is bad news. This is fund set up to keep investors happy and to return profit. If they cannot do this they will look to any means to gain a return. This could involve your worst possible scenario namely selling the ground or the training facility. I would not believe a word a hedge fund says. It is all about money.

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Who selling and why now, some thing afoot

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Laxey partners were well mentioned in the DR back in June. The two main partners profiled. They appear to have previously had an agenda of forcing boards to provide shareholders with dividends rather than reinvesting profits into companies. It was mentioned they split shares between 100 sub companies to force EGMs and policy changes to pay dividends.

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Guys, this is fact. Laxey are asset strippers. I worked for a very large uk logistics company that was bought by Laxey. First they take all cash out the business then they make each business unit justify on. A weekly/monthly basis what cash they need to pay creditors staff etc. second they take ownership of all physical assets like warehouses, offices (stadium). Then they sell the new, asset light business to a major French transport company AND lease back all the buildings at a major profit on a long term legally binding contract that was signed before the sale. watch this lot. Worse than CW/CG/SDM together.

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Another 820k profit to Charlie. It's so obvious he has a connection to whyte as do the administrators. When the kind of money that Charlie has made for doing fa is up for grabs, hundreds would be lining up. Yet it was only him. total stitch up.

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13 Aug 2013 15:32:45
If proof was needed that Green and his cohorts are nothing but money grabbing persons, the Ahmed threat to sue surely confirms that once and for all. A £500k bonus for the "worst Rangers team ever" winning the third division, and 5% of deals done. It is beyond belief!

No wonder the money has gone, no wonder the share price has collapsed, sheer mismanagement.

They MUST lose this EGM, and we need people who don't only think of their pockets.

Pathetic!

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Green is managing the club expertly. His sole reason for purchasing the assets was to make £M and that is exactly what he is doing.
Take your hat off to the man he has rung rounds all the little bears.

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13 Aug 2013 14:03:07
Surely the best thing for the long term of the club is to not sign these 8 new signings?

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If Ally takes a pay cut, we can afford them.

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@op no what would be better for the club going forward is to get the people who shouldn't be getting a years wage bonus to hell by god mather and Stockbridge bonuses would or nearly pay two of they players wages so surely getting them out is best

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@2) Did you forget Aly's bonus?

Gaz

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Renege on 8 agreements and I thought we could not go any lower.

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Instead of cancelling the arrangements with the new players why not just cancel the season tickets. Any punter stupid enough to buy a season ticket will be stupid enough to pay at the gate. Financial problem solved and everyone is happy.

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@3 well add ally's and you can 4-5 of those players wages why is everything always about ally the difference him and the rest he was given those terms whereas the just wrote their own

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@6) it wasn't all about Ally, just merely reminding 2) of something he either forgot or conveniently ignored. McCoist isn't daft, he's a lot of things, but daft isn't one of them, if he truly gave a crap on hearing mutterings about finances and let's face it he's been keen enough to endorse Green, Whyte and Mather and been wrong on all counts most likely.

You'd think on one matter, RANGERS VERY EXISTENCE, he'd want to be ahead of the curve and be seen to be taking no part in this trough emptying exercise. IF, of course, he has Rangers well being truly at heart, I emphasise the IF. So if after all these dodgy endorsements I'm to be handed a big bonus while the club is rumoured to be skint, I'd be very, very reticent about that. McCoist wasn't.

Gaz

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13 Aug 2013 13:12:31
Statement from Ahmed released

“Its true the club does owe me money.

In my view the full £3.4m is only due because of the way Chris Graham and Malcolm Murray leaked a story about me without any investigation or proof. I believe they continue to leak confidential club information such as this to the press in a misguided attempt to wage a propaganda campaign to win the forthcoming EGM. As far as EGM is concerned it does not matter what they say as I know we have more shares than them. I think this says more about the so called Rangers Men than me as the leaks are directly from their camp and everyone knows they’re very close to Keith Jackson and the Daily Record. If the real Rangers Men want control of Ibrox the morally correct thing to do is buy a controlling stake in the market. Not try to continually seize control without investing a penny.

Charles Green has agreed to tell the truth if it goes to court i. e. I am due 5% bonus on all the commercial deals I negotiated on behalf of the club. I am hardly going to turn my back on a bonus which is due to me when I’ve directly negotiated £67m worth of contracts which benefit the club over the next 5-10 years.

Neither myself or Charles have ever wanted this to go to court as we are substantial shareholders and in fact Charles had already brokered a deal with the club for a fraction of the full liability but the club has not signed up to it. I had also offered to reinvest all my bonus proceeds plus an additional extra £500k of my own money back into the club. At least this shows how much I’ve contributed to the club and the fact that I am prepared to put more cash into the club. ”

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So you sue the company for £3.4m and then invest £3.9m back in?

Really?

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Ahmad is a total embarrassment they've got more shares this is an absolute joke green will go to court to say ahmad is owed the money and this guy says he doing the best for rangers also he's got rangers 67 mill in the next 5-10 years that's funny we need the money the now I would love to see the proof he's done these deals also just a wee message to all the fans who are on here blaming mccoist you's should be embarrassed when we are being shafted like this ally is the least of our problems how much more do we need to know before we get our finger out and do something we need someone who's going to lead a revolt against them

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What contracts has he negotiated? contracts for security with greens own company? farce.

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I'm usually a man of 100 words when ten would probably do. On this occasion I have three "f**k off Imran"

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Rotten to the core. pals scratching each other backs. bleeding the club dry as many forecast.
need a saviour now, but no one willing to stump up the cash. can't blame them really, what a mess!

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So he wants 5% of £67m now as bonus when he admits that the revenue doesn't come in for another 5 to ten years - how does that one work!?

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What happened to the these guys were the only ones to step forward comments from a few months ago.

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Finance director Mr Stockbridge responded to Mr Ahmad's statement, saying: "We are aware of this but it is without legal merit and any action will be robustly defended on behalf of the club and its fans. "

Mr Stockbridge, who also worked with Mr Ahmad at Zeus Capital, told fans that the former commercial director had not received a pay-off when he left Rangers.

Since the clubs assets were transferred to the former Sevco Scotland newco overseen by Mr Green and Mr Ahmad last year, they have agreed several new commercial deals including a five-year sponsorship with kit manufacturer Puma and a one-year deal with Blackthorn Cider.

According to the prospectus issued to interested shareholders ahead of the £22m stock market issue last December, Mr Ahmad was entitled to "a bonus to be approved by the chairman or chief executive based on commercial contracts negotiated by Mr Ahmad".


Source: STV

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@2. Same old story, when will someone lead a revolt. Why don't you do it?

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As a celtic fan who has posted on this site only a few days ago urging you, the fans to do something against these parasites who have ripped the heart out of your club, and are now in the process
of putting it in the grave. Now, you well reply and tell me its none of my business and go back to my own clubs site, but can I ask what are all the people from the various supporters associations doing, for me
they all talk a good game, they should imo be organising a meeting with the rangers fans to draw up a plan of action to rid your club of people, who most definitely don't have rangers best interests at heart only milking the club dry. Scottish football needs the old firm so please get your fingers out and do something before its too late. jamie

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How can a contractor paid by club - go to court against club.

Inran sues.

Green sues.

its only first week and its going pete tong.

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@9 a would do it mate just no that good at public speeches and I think we need somebody that can handle questions getting fired at them in front of cameras

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So the general concensus is to get rid of the parasites - and replace them with?
Lets not forget one thing. Rightly or wahtever, these parasites put some cash up front to get into the position they are in. The others were co-opted in by their mates to drinkl from the well (or in Jabba's case, to keep him quiet). Now the fact that the buy out was for a paltry sum is another matter which I can't understand why the SFA and the legal system allowed but it is what it is right now. I guess the bottom line is who, with any business sense, would put good money into this product right now. By own admission the club is bleeding cash and still the playing management continue to "sign" up players. It appears that the fans have no say (which implies that the fans did not purchase any shares to allow them a say in what goes on). Fans run with their heart and not their head and believe any good news they hear. WAKE UP before its to late or Admin 2 will see the vultures descend on the bones and completely strip the assets this time for sure.

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@13 "I can't understand why the SFA and the legal system allowed"
Giesabreak! Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
If the SFA had done anything along the lines you are suggesting, which I don't think is their remit, you would all have been on here calling them the "Stupid Football Ass" and shouting about being kicked when you are down.
Stop blaming others, take the bull by the horns because the next move is yours. Too bad you've already surrendered your biggest bargaining tool, season tickets.
Al

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13 Aug 2013 13:08:32
Kieran prior has took his percentage in shares up to around 10 %. After his latest purchase jimayr

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Strange, he only owned 1% before yesterday and even if the 2m shares purchased yesterday are his, that only takes him to 4%.

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How do you know it was him m8 not doubting you, would just like to know were you saw or read it. Macca

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Holdings above 3% need to be notified to AIM - nothing has been published so this is no true, Prior still only holds 1%.

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@3 would the aim let people know if a shareholder who has more than 4 % increased his shares

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Its michael allison of laxley partners that has bought the shares. and it is on aim . DD

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Not true, it is Laxey Partners (Colin Kingsworth) who has purchased shares from Green which were somehow sold to him in October 2012.

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Does anyone have the definitive list of every entity owning 3% or more in the club? Please publish it here.

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It's a shareholder increasing there shares and want the boardroom infighting to stop so by the sounds of this there on the boards side rather disturbing that a shareholder would side with people who have lost between 20-30 mill

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@3 is the EGM going to be successful then or are the Green Team going to stay in control?

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@7 it's on the club website

JG

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Chucky agreed to salelaxey partners these shares a long time ago maybe he is trying to ofload his shares before him and craig whyte get the jail for fraud

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13 Aug 2013 12:01:01
Strange that this story about Ahmed appears when Charles green is trying to get his feet back under the table. Incidentally Ahmed's main witness for a possible court case, Charles green! Rotten to the core, get them out now! PB

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13 Aug 2013 11:49:28
Ahmad suing Rangers with greens
backing this says it all about the
people who ran / run our club
let's prove to these people and
certain others who have been enjoying
a wee laugh at our expense that we
DO love our club and get the demo's
going instead of going to the pub
b4 a match gather outside the main
door at Ibrox an hour b4 k. o and
let our feelings known SACK THE
BOARD!
billy h

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I don't believe the DR.
Ahmad is probably out for £300k. One third of Ally's salary more like.
It's agenda reporting to assist in getting rid of the Ibrox board surely?

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IF its agenda is to get rid of the
board every little helps
SACK THE BOARD
billy h

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People saying a meeting outside before the game why not an empty stadium surely that's a bigger message

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13 Aug 2013 11:37:21
heres clutching at straws. the good thing about this boardroom battle is they are all fighting to either win or stay in control. seems now the truth is coming out, all those questions that need answered!
i know each side is leaking stuff to the papers about each other claim against counter claim.
hope when they have this egm all the cards are put on the table. OPENLY & HONESTLY.

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I wouldn't believe the DR.
Today's news and some blogs is jabba's friends at DR upping the game on behalf of McColl and P Murray against green/ Mathers/ Stockbridge.
They need to sack Jabba.

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Who do you think is feeding KJ all the info for the DR? It's not rocket science!

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The Daily Record has as much integrity to media & journalism as the Beano, Keech Jackson is a joke.

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@1. 2. 3 why not believe the dr the story is true it's fans like you's who these people everybody and everything is against us by god fans like yourselfs that need to take they blue tinted specs off celtic fans have been on here tryin to tell us what's going on since whyte you's need to get some cotton buds clean your ears out and listen no one is against us apart from those who are taking the money out of our club

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@4 read 2 again don't think it says don't believe DR at any stage.

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13 Aug 2013 10:53:51
feel sick to the pit of my stomach today
these guys will empty out our club and we will be powerless to stop them, when we get our club back it will be an empty shell this has been the plan from the outset none of them care a jot about our club
will we play hard ball and go into admin to stop them ripping the heart out of our club
shame on you bill McMurdo for giving these people the time of day, this is another bad blow for our club

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Look at it the other way. Once the moneymen have bled the club dry, we can start again. Rangers is more than a bank balance - to the fans anyway.

I treat this year as the last gasp of breath of the old Rangers. We haven't had the new renewed Rangers yet, because there was still a fistful of money to be squeezed out.

Once we're totally broke, the vultures will leave us to rebuild properly.

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Absolutely agree mate. This is a new low and the behaviour of Imran Ahmad utterly sickens me.

I said before when it came out about the money in his mother's bank account that I wouldn't be back at Ibrox until shysters like him are gone and I'm saying it again now - and this time I guarantee I will be sticking to my promise.

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Don't believe the DR.

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Why not believe DR? god we ask for answers and then moan when we get some?

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13 Aug 2013 10:29:28
"The Directors have each entered into lock-in periods, pursuant to AIM Rule
7, pursuant to which they will not dispose of their Ordinary Shares for a
minimum of 12 months from Admission and they will be subject to orderly
marketing agreements for the following 6 months. The Company and Cenkos
Securities have entered into orderly market agreements with certain other
Shareholders for a period of 6 months from Admission. "

So "certain other shareholders" are able to dispose of shares now as the six month lockin has expired, but not directors. So after yesterday's 2m share transaction we could see more over the coming weeks.

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13 Aug 2013 10:02:55
apparently this hamhead trying to take us to court for 3 million bonuses. how does he manage to make 3 mill bonuses in a year? absolute joke we need our club cleansed from the inside out

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13 Aug 2013 09:23:49
Imran Ahmad is set to launch a £3.4million legal action against the club.

Astonishingly, he claims to have the support of former chief executive Charles Green in the fight for bonuses and legal costs he says he is owed.

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Claims he was entitled to 5% of all commercial deals he negotiated - how does that work if you are already salaried and on another bonus scheme.

We're being sucked dry!

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Are him and Green not doing what they said at the start, coming to make money. The only problem now they don't care how they do it. They both awarded themselves 2 million shares at 1p each as well as the outrageous bonus payments. Both about £1 million to the good so far, not bad for a years work!
A post yesterday by a fellow bear puts all this into perspective about working 6 days for his £2000 a month, like the majority of us and this lot deciding to help themselves to gross salaries and running our great club into the ground. Only one loser in all this the fans who part with their hard earned cash to line these crooks wallets.
It is time for all Rangers supporters to stand up to this shower and get them out our club once and for all.

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It would have been better had they found cg and cw were in cahoots and myself and many other now wondre how that inquiry never found a big big link cg said he fecked cw I still think they are bleeding us dry between them whyte is still involved

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13 Aug 2013 09:21:17
Read article in the Ibrox Noise yesterday looking at where the £22M from the IPO went. £10. 7M went on players and staff- that is 7 months only. Game Set and Match to those fans saying we should have given youth it's chance and not gone with Ally's SPEND for success

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13 Aug 2013 10:18:36
The bit that got me was £2.2m spent on other costs including ACCOUNTING! ( er WHAT Accounts?) Timalloy

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@op it's not mccoist who deals with the terms of the contract so come on to f**k it's Stockbridge who deals with the finances it's fan like you who do my head in they are still playing divide and conquer and it's people like you who are keeping the muppets at our club let's deal with green and co first then we can sort the rest out if we still have a club to sort out

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Ally with his 750k salary didn't hold up his hand and say, hold on lads we can win this league with a squad from our youth set up.
Him and Wally are part of the big picture and will be caught out in the end. TTTS

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N3 we needed new players as the forfer result showed imagine trying to WIN this league with last seasons team no chance and to suggest ws and amc are conning us is pure s**** mccoist was giving his wages bthe people that know nothing about rfc

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13 Aug 2013 08:46:11
Rangers board members are claiming to be threatened as a way of justifying payments to Garrion Securities (owned by Stockbridge and Green).

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13 Aug 2013 08:33:18
You could not make this up. Even a Celtic fan could not make this up. Charles Green owns Garrion Security Services, the people employed to oversee Rangers internal security, and the same people that kept Rangers fans from protesting the other night. WHAT THE F!!

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And Brian Stockbridge. They are invoicing themselves but say it's cheaper?!

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This 'company' previously named as Rangers Security Services Ltd; has it's registered office at Ibrox Stadium and was incorporated Sept 2012; (changed name Dec 2012) with £1 working capital and two directors; namely C Green and B Stockbridge.

All of this information is free to access on-line and if you wish you can register the web domains for this company as they haven't been taken up. No need really as who would e-mail or contact a non company.

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13 Aug 2013 08:16:04
So we have 10 million in the bank. I assume this is after this years ST income, which was about 9.5 million. So just before the books went on sale, we were down to our last 1/2 million?

No wonder everybody had to pay the leccy bill! The coffers were empty!

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13 Aug 2013 08:01:26
Why during the Q&A with ally was he not asked " how many shares did he receive for backing green "because without ally backed green and co would not be there now. Don't know if it bad luck but ally can never pick the right horse Murray was backed, Whyte and ally were drinking tea and eating cake days before administration, then green backed now mather is the best thing since a Bruce Springsteen concert- I know what he did for us but his choose of chairman/CEO/owner is very poor

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Of course it's bad luck Murray>Whyte>Greene so who was he supposed to back?Please give is your take on who he should have backed.

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Can't argue with that and his comment the other day about not knowing about Rangers going into administration until just 24 hours beforehand beggars belief. Ally really is a big part of the problems at Ibrox rather than the solution.

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13 Aug 2013 02:24:38
The house of cards are tumbling down, too lose rfc was a tragedy, once bitten twice as shy, yet follow the same financial rip off with charlatans in charge, The Rangers are now heading head on into administration. Sad but tue,, steff

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12 Aug 2013 22:51:23
Now I have had a chance to read the Stockbridge story! And call me old fashioned, this is a smokescreen and I know for a fact some of the details are factually incorrect! Some of the other amount should be ringing alarm bells among the rangers fans, I mean 2. 4M on stockbrokers, and external PR fees? Was that not why traynor was brought in! Are we still using external PR companies! Vast expense again now let's look at some of the figures and see if we can get a "snapshot" into how much has been pilfered from the £22M.

The first one I can assure our supporters is NOT correct! He states £1. 2M was spent on advertising boards and corner screens, I think the company ELONEX provided the screens and trackside advertising boards at NO cost to rangers this was negotiated to share the advertising revenue from both these items. Why buy an item when you can get them for nothing! This will also include the concourse tv's that where recently installed by the previous company and they where then unceremoniously booted out of the stadium. ( this was after somebody negotiated a deal that allowed the other company to keep all the revenue and rangers made zero, this is the incompetence amount middle and higher management)

£0. 5M that he states was spent on repairs and upkeep of both the stadium and Murray park, factually incorrect! He forgot to mention the insurance money rangers got for the storm damage to the roof at Murray park and then the lower amount that was quoted to do the repair, at the stadium not one thing has been done to justify any amounts being quoted on repairs! The only money that has been spent was and still is going to external consultants and this will be very substantial!

The other revelations in his statement show how desperate he really is. Apparently he was threatened! Now I find this very hard to believe considering the full politburo was present including head of security and head of safety and traynor all being present, now I wasn't at the meeting but I can almost guarantee there would be almost no chance anybody would have got anywhere near him so if anybody was there and knows any different please let us know.

The next issue I have is he seems to be quite happy to declare that the club is saving money by taking the rangers security in house, he and Chico are the only shareholders and directors of this venture so it would appear they benefit and not rangers the rangers security company is called GARRION SECURITY check it out!

He states and I will quote him " every penny spent by rangers is properly accounted for" why will he and Mather and Chico NOT show how much they have spent on consultants since at least February and still going on right now every day it is costing rangers shareholders and supporters vast sums filtering away by the bucketload! Will he show the real title deeds and not just the covers, will he show the real upto date accounts? Will he disclose how much he takes from other companies linked to rangers? No wonder he wants to DEFER his bonus payment he is coining it in from rangers. Will he reveal his associations with other companies and contractors, and consultants? Will he reveal another SNAPSHOT about the real amounts that have gone missing? The numbers still don't add up take away the £22M all the other renvenue streams me thinks rangers should have a lot more than £10M in the bank.

"The great stadium robbery" is still going on and every day we sit and remain quiet the more this mob will remove from the club, they actually think they are entitled to spend this money on whatever or in stockbridge's case whoever they wish.

Oh I just though I would mention he states he didn't know Chico before joining rangers? But he forgot to say he and Imran where best pals and worked together and guess who is best pals with Chico? Imran another shyster taking every penny he can from the club.

I wonder if the remaining board members who are part of the massive F***D will stand up and declare their interest?

Keep the pressure up!

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Great post. Thoughtful but more importantly, full of facts. In this Internet age, it's obvious there are plenty of dissenters, but no action. Hot air in fact.

With someone trading 2m shares yesterday, as they say "The games afoot!" someone somewhere is moving into position. question is, who?. ,. and if they are shelling 840k. They ain't messing around.

Sit tight lads & lassies.

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Green has previous companies (Sheffield United) included - where vast costs expended (on consultants, etc etc) - leaving shareholders pennyless.

Whyte had previous for tax and shareholder stuffing

Green had previous for collapsing companies (no major business successes?).

So 1 year on and suddenly - could be admin and 28pts lost and relegation to div3 again.

Malcolm Murray did not want another div3 title - yet Green opposed him in board and remove him. why does green want other div3 titile?

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All valid points. This is classic asset stripping. Green and his allies inside Ibrox want administration that is obvious. This is why Ally was allowed to bring in so many players and the spending has not been stopped. Remember even if the shares fall to 2p they will make 100% profit. This profit is on top of the excessive salaries and bonus they have already received. It is starting to look like the only people who did not pay 1p per share are the fans. Watch out for Greens final trick. The sale and lease back of Ibrox and Murray Park. Someone will be making a fortune from these for years to come. At a guess I would say Whyte.

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£2.6m paid to SDM after his mismanagement of the club finances leaves a bad taste.

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13 Aug 2013 10:42:58
Agree the aim of Green & co is another administration. But how long before we must include Ally himself in that group? I can't believe he could be so utterly naive as not to think spending so much could jeopardise the clubs finances. Did he not at least ask that question? doesn't stack up other than to conclude that Ally has been aware all along of the plan to head for another administration, and that he has played a full and knowing part in that plan. I will say this clearly although I know it is too painful for most gers to believe, Ally McCoist is a TRAITOR.

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My take on Ally is he's simply Not Walking Away. That means he has to hang in there, whether the board are working for good or evil. He wants to be the last man standing.

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12 Aug 2013 22:33:30
Wolves fan in peace here, it appears both our clubs are going through tough times. Do you guys think we will win our respective leagues this season?

Also, what's your opinion of Leigh Griffiths?

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13 Aug 2013 10:32:56
leigh Griffith is a smart wee player who will score goals for you, a bit of a nutter off the park tho.

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