Rangers Banter Archive March 13 2012

13 Mar 2012 21:46:09
Ed, has nobody suggested to rangers to ask the season ticket holders to pay for the old firm game.. An average 30 pounds say 1.5 million revenue..good idea or not what do u think. {Ed001's Note - a lot of people have suggested asking the season ticket holders to pay at the door. Not so sure it is a good idea in difficult times, better to have collection, in my opinion.}

That is so outrageous. well meant but unthinking. who would own this money ? no collections. no black and red scarves. hold your nerve and pay nothing. let the administrators do their job. let the truth come out and the chips fall. let the guilty be cursed and cast into the past and the future begin. rangers fans have bought season tickets, sportswear, probably drank loads of the sponsors beer and contributed to the business in so many other ways. start shouting 'no more money !' and see what happens. nobody has thought to try that, have they ?
so money is collected in buckets, without receipts or accounts and just handed over to a business with massive debts. think it through. you need skilled people to count it and transport it and bank it (where!) and that all costs money it goes on and on. dont throw petrol on the fire.

Didn't realise counting was considered a skill... Maybe it is to some people.

13 Mar 2012 22:04:01
Who made up the poster for the funds..God can not even spell overseas properly. ..On tne poster it says oversees .
Dear O Dear

"On tne"?? Lol people in glass houses mate!

The OP was referring to a spelling error, not an obvious typo - check out where n and h are on your keyboard.

13 Mar 2012 21:10:43
By fu@k Bears you aren't half quiet this week considering your jovial mood last weekend has something happened? or is it the lack of things happening that's making you all subdued? Tick tock tick tock. o / let's all do the broony for a laugh
||. Maybe cheer you up! 1..2..3 "let's..
/

No news is GOOD NEWS

Broony lol - never a finer example of a Celic "man"! fits with you lots brown-nozing ways!

You get better movement and a laugh wae mrs agnes brown than HIM, admit though take ma hat of to him, rangers fan wearing the hoops just for money, the dhims- gullible

13 Mar 2012 19:31:07
What is to stop the adminstrators from stopping paying the bills they would have paid and they then go to the Trust saying we have no money to pay the police etc. The fans end up paying for running costs that the administrator should and could have paid.

They are bound by the courts. they must show all documentation and findings to the courts. atleast that is how i understand it

ryanrfc

The money that is getting raised . This will go a small way to pay duff& co

There is an article saying this fans fighting fund is doing fantastic...some old lady has gone in and given up £20 of her pension....Now there are two schools of thought on this 1. Good on you old lady. 2. WTF are they thinking about taking £20 off an old ladys pension when they got themselves into this mess now they want peoples pensions...how much has David Murray contributed to the Fans fighting fund given that he is very sorry!

13 Mar 2012 18:58:29
Bears here is a way of getting money
for your fans fighting fund, horse
tomorrow Cheltenham 4.00 Tap Night
what could be more appropriate??
LOL Timalloy

Been here b4 with you lot, another dud???

13 Mar 2012 18:55:52
If anybody takes over rangers,i would prefer it if it wasent a conditional,as these in a consortium will not take liable for a possiable 75 million tax,which if found guilty would leave club no better on,but others again richer,i mean i would happily give a few million knowing if it goes belly up got 120 million to split,easy money,if someone said il buy club & if hit pay anyrhing fair play,unless this is fully the case i would question anybodys morels,
I dont agree with a share issue as would have to get them of whyte £1 for 85% is legal as it comes,tiketus could go either way but whyte still in driving seat,this new liquadation law if thing go after that its finished,
Cant get head round any of it,

I cant get my head round that post

The new law he refers to is that debt libilities can be attained to assest sold on.

This would mean that even if Rangers were liquidated any inheritor of the company would be liable for the big tax case. I'm not sure if it is a new law or a new interpreation of the law. It is aimed specificaly at phonix companiers been set up and sold to previous directors (or their hairs ,spouces etc) which effective just creates an identical comapny with identical owner ship but minus the debt. It is particulary common for big inverster to come in to a company over extend it, then with draw credit, then buy the company from the administrators for a pense in the pound settlement. It is carried out often with the conivance of the administator. Sound familiar

13 Mar 2012 18:36:14
ok so whytee makes 10 or 15 million...let him have his scummy money ....as long as we get oor club back and get ridda this con man and move on to bigger and better things which will be in the form of decent showings in europe ....we cant win the league every year ffs...but between us and the other mob we can both be very successfull on the fitba map.....get ridda the anger everybody and lets get scottish fitba back on the map....we win it one year ...they win the next year...
even 2 in a row would be suffice....nuff of this 9 in a row crap....that wiz then ...this is now.......deecee

Aye say Whyte walks away with 10m, that's another 10m that someone else will need to put into the team ? Really can't see how rangers can get out of this all Murray & co are doing is the same as Whyte with ticketsus deal ? All in all rangers need close to 30m with most of that being cash up front to help them out of this & that's not inc the BTC. rangers need a new team more or less too many players over 30+ with players like Davis,naismith & mcgreegor going to be there big sellers that might need to be sold to make way for a new team, not rubbing salt in the wound put look what AMc did for Celtic ? 9.5m from some mob Russia payed for izzy kayal ki etc & look at them now if we sell them for a average price of 3m each then money made ?

Think about it from a business point of view, spl has pennies in it so why spend millions saving a club & get next to no return for it unless you sell your big stars?

Lenny

I think your right unforunately the sting has stung. The only way out is to take the beating. I don't doubt Rangers will get back in some form, and start winning again but not in the short term. As fo AMcG think Wilson, Boomsong Hutton

13 Mar 2012 17:59:45
This Blue Knights Consortium has a real dodgy feeling about it. As previous message said why Did Paul Murray not buy the club for a £1 instead of Craig Whyte when he had the chance?

Obviously with huge debts no one would touch the gers. Craig Whyte was called in to take the heat for going into Administration and let SDM, PM & Co appear to have clean hands, its a smash and grab for Whyte something he knows all about, as hes no patsy!

HMRC now have to decide do they cut their losses and take 10% or see the club go into recevership and maybe get even less!

My uncle works their and he say the Blue Knoghts are just a stalking horse to get others out of the bushes as they cant seriously come up iwth the cash!

Remember PM served with SDM during the EBT tax evasion scheme so how can he just walk back into the club. I know as loyal gers fans will support anyone who saves their club, but must we be blind too....

Interesting, but HMRC will be setting a dangerous precedent for football clubs if its accepts the Blue Knights bid and writes off their massive tax bill, just cant see it !

Was his bid not rejected?
ryanrfc

Paul Murray didn't buy the club last year because his proposal would not have seen Lloyds paid there £18 million whereas Whytes proposal did. Lloyds threatened to freeze Rangers credit unless they did the deal with Whyte.

GovanFR

13 Mar 2012 16:54:58
Rangers fans, please donate into this fund set up by Walter Smith, we know that Walter will be in control of it so no worries that Whyte will get our money, no matter how little you can afford it will all count if we all donate, but we all need to rally and protect our 140 year history. WATP!

13 Mar 2012 15:55:59
Can I just state here about a potential new owner for rangers. So far duff and phelps have not forfeited craig whytes majority shareholding in the club which he does not have to sell if he doesn't want to. Any buyer will have to get over that hurdle before trying to buy anything.

13 Mar 2012 15:05:03
Down the pub on Sunday a few of us decided to put together a combined Celtic/Rangers team - this is what we came up with.

Forster

Matthews
Mulgrew
Rogne
Ledley

Forrest
Wanyama
Brown
Samaras

Stokes
Hooper

Seems fair enough to me!

2nd raters if you ask me!

Sunday league partimers...

Yeah that deffo sounds like a pub team to me. watp./biggles

Strong subs bench lol

Forster ahead of McShagger? GTF

also - Brown ahead of Davis? lol

Mulspew ahead of big Dorin or Boca?

J

Oh dear the elephant in goals, a midfielder at left back, samaras in the team and rogne! Plus the hunchback at right mid

Cracker mate! That was a good days fishing!

Must have been a sh!te day of fishin, just sums you dhims up , they were actually rippin into the unknown poster mate so you are CRACKERS, steeeeve

13 Mar 2012 13:10:33
By the way, i have no interest in anything NI or Irish. I didnt mention any terrorism, all im asking is why NI needs to be directly involved? It doesnt....end of........sick of all this nonsence from both sides of OF.

Joeshmo1888

Cos 10's of thousands would b affected if gers went to wall...if something similar happened in another country that cld affect thousands of scottish people i would expect our govnt to do something...y u care i dont know?if the peolpe of n.i didnt want this they will make it known..

Am i missing something or my laptop is on the blink but what are these posts related too?Shaun H

Ehm, am from N.I. and the fact is the majority of NI are Rangers/glentoran or rangers/linfield and they don't want to see their team going down just like the fans on the mainland, why does it matter anyway? N.I is as much scottish as it is british, ( ULSTER SCOTS ) so their is nothing wrong, that was a bit of a pointless question, am surprised green jhedi didnt answer your question, steeeeve

Another point mate, am sure dublin and maybe oukd try and help out. celtic if it came to it, i read the D R and it said we were going to invite wet wet wet lol, maybe the dubliners would get the wolfe tones ( no offence ) haha, nah rod stewart and U2 would probs raise more money lol, steeeeve

@steeeeve; and why would i be interested in anything concerning that? Rangers fans from another country dont interest me in the slightest.Nice to know your thinking about me though............green jhedi

Joeshmo1888. You say NI or Irish shouldn't be involved. Do you realise Dermott Desmond is Irish, what is wrong with a guy from NI putting money into Rangers.

Oi. Wet wet wets erstwhile manager here. Dont u drag their name thru the mud. They were great ambassadors for scotland. Even tho they supported a garbage team!

@steeeeeve majority of NI liverpool or man utd, ulster scots no one speaks it outside ballymena lol,ni is as much irish as it is scots or british garlar07

Oi yurself mate i have you know like wet wet wet! so i ain't draggin anybody's name through mud! green jhedi LOL. to you mate :-P, garlar maybe true maybe not true but i am talking outwith the EPL should have made it clearer lol, sorry, right back to the other guy, what made you think i was dragging wet wet wets name through mud? steeeeve

To the unamed poster that said oi? if you read the post correctly then you would notice that he was talkin about U2 or rod stewart doin a concert instead of the wolfe tones, i didn't see anythin regarding “ dragging“ wet wet wet‘s name through the mud, IMO probably better than rod stewart and U2 anyday ( having a laugh btw ) lol

13 Mar 2012 13:05:02
I dont have a problem with Irish supporters, both north and south. Read what he said. Why does Northern Ireland NEED to be directly involved????
Your answers on a postcard please.

Joeshmo1888

Possible because he supports Rangers not that hard to understand.

Na its becasue he is an old bigot,he had his day when he slipped from scene peace broke out funny that.garlar07

13 Mar 2012 12:48:37
Craig Whyte remains a significant obstacle to any takeover of Rangers and cannot simply be wished away, a leading football finance expert has warned.


Whyte, the largest shareholder in the Ibrox club, was written off as “absolutely irrelevant” to Rangers’ medium- or long-term future by Paul Clark of administrators Duff & Phelps. And would-be owner Paul Murray has talked of launching a share issue which would bring Rangers supporters on board.

But Neil Patey of Ernst & Young is convinced that Whyte will only become “irrelevant” if he agrees to do so. And he believes that any share issue of the kind proposed by Murray could only proceed with the consent of the present shareholders, Whyte included.

“Everybody, except Craig Whyte himself, appears to be assuming that when the club is sold, Whyte will no longer be a factor,” Patey said yesterday. “I can’t see why this should be the case.

“I’ve discussed this issue with several colleagues who work in the same field, and they are of the same opinion. If Whyte refuses to sell his shares and says ‘I still want to be involved with Rangers’, it’s not clear to me how the administrators or any possible new owners could deal with that.

“The administrators cannot sell a company’s shares. Craig Whyte still owns his shares. And any new share issue” – which could dilute Whyte’s holding – “has to be made with the agreement of the existing shareholders.”

In practical terms, it may be correct to say that Whyte has no future at Ibrox. He has not been sighted near the stadium since announcing he would stay away from the home match with Kilmarnock in order not to be a distraction, and the administrators have suggested he has no legal entitlement to the club or its fixed assets.

“I don’t see him as a secured creditor and I don’t see him as ongoing owner of Rangers,” Clark said at the weekend. “In terms of Rangers’ future medium to long term he is absolutely irrelevant.

“We’ve seen no evidence whatsoever of any investment by Craig Whyte into Rangers. We can’t see how he can have secured-creditor status. He has no rights, in my view, to Ibrox or Murray Park.”

But Whyte’s physical absence from Rangers, and his lack of secured-creditor status as suggested by Clark, do not alter his status as a shareholder. And that status could yet prove even more costly to the club if any players activate the “Whyte clause” which was inserted into some of the new contracts agreed last week. That clause was insisted upon by some of those players before they would agree to the massively reduced terms which were put to them by the new administrators. And, although it was intended as a statement of their opposition to Whyte, it could have a more tangible impact on any new owners.


Source: Scotsman

Duff & Phelps;telling you what you want to hear since feb 14. No matter what happens whyte owns 85% of rangers and no amount of red/black scarfs will change that

Must be the Scotsman's fault for printing this.

13 Mar 2012 12:17:01
Posing a question re the following scenario fellow bears....RFC goes into liquidation, a consortium buys up all the assets Ibrox, Murray Park etc, the consortium founds a newco Rangers, the newco Rangers successfully applys for entry into league 2 in England by buying Portsmouth or Port Vale licence (should either go under). Basically we sign off from Scottish football as the most successful domestic club of all time, and start afresh in the lucrative English leagues. Would you be happy with this? Aggree or disagree. (Ed, don't know why this wasn't posted last night but I'll try again, cheers)

My god! again with the english nonsense.rangers would have to MOVE TO AND PLAY in england assuming the FA accepted the application. you fancy that?

The english thing will never happen.....
However I didnt see Cardiff, Swansea or Wrexham MOVE TO England? {Ed001's Note - oh for heaven's sake! They played in the English league before there was a Welsh one for them to feature in. Totally different situation, why do people not understand that???}

Ok Ed, so there wasn't a welsh league for Cardiff or Swansea to play in when they joined the English league. However Berwick rangers are an English team playing in the Scottish leagues. Now they joined the Scottish league in 1905 when the English league had been running since 1888, and were officially elected as a member of the Scottish league in 1955 when the english leagues were more than well established. So there is a stated case for a Domestic british team playing in one of the other home nation's leagues. We all know britain is a special case in FIFA and uefa's eyes, and we know that money talks in football. So don't tell me that this could never happen. {Ed001's Note - seriously? If you are going to believe that is relevant, when it is only recently that UEFA and FIFA have had any worries about Super Leagues etc, then I give up. You just run along and believe what ever you want to believe, but you will just end up disappointed when Rangers aren't in the English league next season.}

Maybe AIG should buy BERWICK rangers. Now there's a cunning plan

So basically Ed001 you have no answer to why Berwick are in the Scottish league when they'r an English club but since it doesn't fit the welsh scenario you'll just state that's it's irrelevant, nice. Also I never said rangers would be in the English league and in fact I think it's highly unlikely that the old firm ever will play in england. But I don't think you can say it will never happen as there is already a stated case for it. So I will 'run along' now and leave you to your condescending editing. {Ed001's Note - I answered it, quite plainly try reading through what I said about UEFA and their issues with the Super League. Also try reading UEFA statutes and you will learn a thing or two. Condescending? Yes, because you are wasting people's time with something that has been explained a million times over. What stated case? You have stated no case for it, nor can you, because there is none.}

Ed001, why dont you try reading my post..Berwick Rangers are the stated case. Also who's time am I wasting? If people are reading this site then I would say that they are enjoying their free time, why would my post be wasting that time, it's not as if they are getting paid to read the site? Also what is the name of this site? Ah yes, Rangers Banter. One of the definitions of banter is 'Good-humored, playful conversation'. You have freely admitted to being condescending, a definition of that is 'Acting in a way that betrays a feeling of patronizing superiority'. I dont think that that is a suitable way for an editor on this site to act or behave. You are there to edit, review and assist people in their posts. Not to be condescending and patronising towards them. {Ed001's Note - and as I have pointed out Berwick Rangers are not relevant, as they joined the Scottish league before UEFA changed their regulations due to fears over the creation of a super league. What is so difficult to understand about that? As for the rest, it is not your job to tell me how to run my website. You are quite welcome to go elsewhere if you don't like it.}

As far as I'm aware Ed001 the conditions for competing in a "foreign" league competition are set on a case-by-case basis by FIFA as well as the respective confederation and national football associations involved. There are many examples outwith the British Isles of this taking place. Therefore as the Editor and the one proclaiming to be superior to the users of this website I ask you to educate me on the Uefa statutes, quoting the article numbers if you dont mind too greatly, so that I will be at least half as knowledgable as your good self. Also it may not be my job to tell you how to run your website but I am a user of the site and I kindly remind you that without us you dont have a website. Cheers. {Ed001's Note - the rules are all in here: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/documentlibrary/index.html I am sure you will be able to find the correct piece of legislation without a problem.}

13 Mar 2012 11:27:31
This isn't really important in the current situation but FFS. There, their, they're.
Example: They're playing football over there with their ball.

Sorry guys but it really annoys me!
WATP {Ed001's Note - it annoys me too but seriously, so long as it is decipherable, you just have to grit your teeth and ignore it mate. People struggle with it and they can't use a spell check to help them out on that either.}

Think a lot of people are like Rodney out only fools and horses on here, left school with 2 GCSE's and one wasn't English. Ha.

Their will be, there coming, over they're , lol, that's right is it ed?
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - arghhhhhh!!!}

This is a rumours page i think where bein ridiculous by talking about peoples spelling
deejay

It's not as if it's difficult, is it? It's just laziness, be it at school or now.

The phaonmneel pweor of the hmuan mnid: I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearcr at Cmagbride Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers of a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?

13 Mar 2012 10:01:22
There will undoubtedly be years of litigation between the parties no matter what, but the administration will have to be resolved pretty quickly. So it's either liquidation, or a takeover. The takeover route involves both Whyte selling his shares, and HMRC walking away with pennies in the pound. A couple of major obstacles, I would suggest. So liquidation it is, then

Oh well no tag if you suggest it then I guess we should bow to your obvious vast knowledge then should we?
PaulRFC

No tag?
jeezo. is this another, "if its bad news i want a tag source, name adress NI number passport pic and a lock of hair??"

the guys posting an opinion.
Im a bear and think its gonna go that route!

ill post a "tag" too but its still only opinion, just like 99% other posts on here!

Blue Peter

It's not vast knowledge just simple commonsense.

13 Mar 2012 09:24:20
paul murray was sacked as a director prior to rangers entering admin

13 Mar 2012 07:30:03
This may be a difficult question to answer given that most of us can't stand the man. Try to think about this and remove your emotions before answering the question...

What will happen to Craig Whyte in the coming months? Will he still controle Rangers? Will he make any money out of his dealings?

Unless he is bought out,he is the owner.

13 Mar 2012 00:46:45
according to the daily record the blue knights are the only show in town.

My god when r u people gone 2 wake up no one wants 2 buy them d p r only giving deadline 2 force buyers out but its not going 2 work friday will come and go then d p will fill your heads with more rubbish who is going 2 pay 30 or 40 mill for a club that could have been bought for a pound with debt that could hit 100mill

According to the daily record e davids was signing for dundee in prime of his career, enough said.

The only ones to have issued a press release to the DR is probably more accurate. That's why D&P stated that there are two types of bidder - those courting the press and those quietly in contact with D&R.

The bid process is always long. Bidders will need to look at "the books". They will need to know why there isn't £9m in that account, only 3. They will need to resolution on ownership of that money, on the value of anything owed to Whyte, and some kind of closure with HMRC. Then there's the SPL to deal with.

D&P may find a prefered bidder but there will be conditions attached, so that's just the start.

Davis for Dundee in his prime? what at 33? they signed ravenelli and cannigia so not that hard to believe! doesnt anyone else think that the spl was actually half decent when you think back to those days? we are miles from that now...

J