Rangers Banter Archive May 13 2012
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13 May 2012 19:25:01
Well fellow Bears, having watched a
couple of interviews with Charles Green.
I have to say, first impressions for me
are positive. Given what we have had to
endure over the past year, we have the
right to be sceptical. However i like what
this man has said and he appears to
be speaking with honesty (as he said
he would do) and with transparency.
What i will say is im worried about Ally's
position as manager given Greens past.
I think it would be soul destroying
should Ally be given the boot after the
year he has had. He deserves other
season at least. Charles would like (i
think) to start with this club, with a clean
slate and all the Bears behind him. However
will this happen if Coisty gets the chop?
Kenny McG
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Ally will have nothing to worry about, and I mean nothing. Green will pick the team. Ask sufc.
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13 May 2012 19:24:01
Hopefully hmrc will see sense now and sit down for cva talks. Mr Green has said his plan is the same as Bill Miller's if a cva is turned down that will mean hmrc get zero and actually will be out of pocket in legal fees etc.
A cva could bring in up to £32m depending on the outcome of the legal action against Whytes law firm, they have a duty to the public to at least recover something rather than nothing.
On Green himself i'm impressed he seems to have investers from the middle east,Singapore,Indonesia and China in his group and has said Rangers wont be in debt again under his stewardship.
A bright future awaits for Rangers in the next few years, Green has insured that no matter what happens the club will still be around next season and will have all it's assets.
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13 May 2012 19:07:54
Rusty the tim here!!now now rangers fans calm down now. All I hear just now millionaires,billionaires etc.seriously if they were that wealthy and there about 20 of them why can they only put 8million of there own money in and monies owed just give it about 12million pot for creditors???can't see a cva being agreed plus if tax case goes wrong the tax man will take at least 8million of that.if a newco happens no European football for three years.he's already said the season ticket prices are going up.how many will buy 1 before the 6th???still dark days ahead I think. Rusty we are the real Glasgow green and White the tim
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13 May 2012 19:02:32
I went on the newcastle messageboard earlier to get thier view on freddie shephard and his son as I read they were involved in the consortium. here is what one of the guys had to say.
awryte guys, rangers fan here just looking for some info on this freddie shephard.
him and his sonare supposedly part of the consortium which is buying us.
opinions?
good luck with chasing champions league
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Lot of fans where not that keen on him but thb mate he will put his money where is mouth is as he is not afraid to spend big or he was,nt for us any way....
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Green does not own rangers(ia) he runs the investment fund that bought you
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Shepherd is pretty much hated in Newcastle after he was taped making obscene derogatory comments about his own fans. If he is involved no surprise he's keeping it quiet. There may be trouble ahead.......
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@1. since your being picky he doesnt run the group thats bought rangers he is the spokesperson for them. ohh and what you mean with fund? dont you mean group...mark
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13 May 2012 18:58:44
Does anyone know what the story is with aluko? Is there Any way he will still be with us next season? I know we can't sign any players but the optional 2yr contract extension was in place before the transfer blackout! So does this mean the new owners can offer him the new 2yr deal?
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We can offer new deals to any player already signed at the club, surely a new deal for Aluko should now be a priority as a few off the big earners will have to move on.
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Yes they can sign him reason is he was with us have to work out new deal with new owners .. Kenny bluenose
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We can still sign him as he is a registered player we cant sign any1 knew
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I take it that we can offer existing players contracts, only we cant sign new players i.e register them with sfa.
only my outlook though
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13 May 2012 18:49:07
Does this mean we have 'officially' been taken over and are owned by this consortium, NOT Craig Whyte?
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Yes,CW shares have been bought for a pound,this was one off the stipulations for a CVA to be granted.
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No not yet wont happen for a while yet just that its been agreed in princeaple
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Is that like pineapple ?
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13 May 2012 18:45:48
Right. Can someone please tell me, has ranger been bought or is the London consortium just been announced preferred bidder? Conflicting stories going about
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They have bought the club how it moves forward depends on a cva
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Yeah Whyte is gone 100%, Green and his group are the new owners no matter what the outcome of any cva is.
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Preferred bidder thats agreed but still need to be checked out at both ends
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Deal agreed, will be stamped in he next two weeks.. Now mention of preferred bidder, just offer accepted
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The consortium now owns Rangers. There is no backing out, either CVA accepted or if not we go down newco route. Either way the consortium are owners. Not CW
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Rangers have been bought look at greens interview on itv says it himself....mark
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The deal is said to be "Irevocable", meaning literally, his offer has been accepted, signed, pretty much done. He's contractually bound....did ye no spot the club tie...haha
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13 May 2012 18:41:30
Are we allowed to give players who are out of contract new ones?guys like aluko?Rosco
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Its a TRANSFER embargo. Aluko is already a Gers player. The embargo doesnt affect renewal of contracts.
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13 May 2012 18:18:01
well thats the rumours done and dusted mr.charles green has bought us it was announced on bbc radio today and all fellow supporters when next season starts why dont we boycot all away games who ever we play and fill lbrox for every home game that will put the sort out all them who voted for sanctions on us how come its only us that got any sanctions from them in the sfa how come motherwell,livingston,dundee and gretna did nt get a mention only glasgow rangers why was that fellow supporters
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We got sanctions because of Wh*te and non payment to clubs. Not for entering Administration.
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Why not arrange beam backs, then we can put all of money into Rangers.
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Thats not very fair on East Stirling ,Peterhead, Albion Rovers etc......Stevie
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Hope the other chairmen read this crap from clowns like you ,maybe they will vote with dignity as you are not going to attend away games why not demote you to the 3rd
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Try reading the sfa report
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Who is glasgow rangers theres no such team FACT
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Change ibrox name to fantasy island. Boycott away matches ? Is that fair on Elgin city ? Boycott away games and arrange beambacks ? That's a great idea. The clubs whose ground it is would charge most of that money, make more money, and not have to put up with you lot. Win win.
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13 May 2012 17:46:53
Say no to a newco.henke7
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13 May 2012 16:41:54
Ed, where have you gone? no posts! hope your not watching that english pi$h lol.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC alive and fighting on!!
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13 May 2012 16:14:09
Just a bit of Sunday afternoon irony here my fellow bears. We've had Whyte, Green and Celik at out club in the last year! You couldn't make it up.
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13 May 2012 16:06:11
Hopefully Rangers can start to move forward now, how about starting by getting John Greig back in some form.
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Whit position centur mid
wee pat
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What! after he sold you down the river with his harpo marx impression? your joking right?
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No thanks, an average player, a shocking manager, a good captain, but does not deserve a job for life. What exactly did he bring, nothing. Well rid
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Greig and others knew and walked away they should all hang theirs heads in shame
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3 he was not an average player there is no way an average player gets voted the greatest ever rangers player
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He wasn't voted the best ever Rangers PLAYER. He was voted the "Greatest ever Ranger" This was in honour of his contribution as player,manager,and length of service to the club. Get it right.
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I saw john greig in his first team debut against airdrie at ibrox think he scored 1 ,game ended 4-2 ,just after sucessful tour of russia ,great captain and player doug t.s.o
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13 May 2012 15:57:47
For a start the Company Voluntary Arrangement needs to be put in place and it is by no means certain as even Duff and Phelps make very clear: “If the creditors do not approve the Company Voluntary Arrangement, the agreement obliges Charles Green’s purchasing vehicle to acquire the business and assets of the Club on agreed terms, through a newco structure. It is Mr Green’s strong preference to achieve a CVA.”
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Newco all the way
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Craig whyte still runs the club . this other crooked mob along with administrators are in along with it.
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13 May 2012 15:44:47
now that charles greene has been installed as front runner, do fellow bears agree the first thing he "must" do , is inform all supporters with the names of everyone in his consort, after the craig whyte fiasco i think he must do this first and foremost quite simply the rangers fans must know all the inns and outs before being expected to fork out hard earned cash for season tickets ect...... we must learn to trust again, and this will only happen with the transparency required urgently.......col.
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He's not front runner,he now owns your ass! has ally asked for the names? he's usually good at that
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He isnt the frontrunner his consortium owns rangers
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Sleekit Sally should tell you as he is all for transparency(or is that only when it suits him?)
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13 May 2012 15:32:20
How likely is this cva of being granted really hope so
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Lottery win is more likely
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The main problem for a cva now is the time factor, there may not be enough time before the start of next season.any newco route would be the same as bm to preserve the oldco and merge at a later date
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13 May 2012 15:27:47
Hope Celtic only rented a flagpole. Don't think they will need it for too long.
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Here we go.blind trust in a guy you know nothing about
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Fraid not unlike you we pay up front for everything
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13 May 2012 15:10:40
love the irony, that's us been owned by a green and white haha fingers crossed we get ourselves sorted now but!
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Only if you buy your increased season tickets
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Mr liewell currently sweating as not many timmys too keen to pay for dearer season books might not be able to pay the overdraft then again can sell hooper for27 mill to team in other galaxy
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@2: Why Liewell? What's he lied about?
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13 May 2012 14:55:20
Will the green brigade have to change their name lol
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Naw theyl start following the gers lol doug t.s.o
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How ironic is it that rangers will be finished by people called...green...and whyte
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Nope the muppets is already a copyrighted name.
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13 May 2012 14:49:49
does the transfer embargo cover contract renewals?? {Ed022's Note - No.}
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13 May 2012 14:36:28
we MUST try and if possible keek Aluko ,,he is pure class,the only player I have seen at Ibrox since Mols that could win a game all on his own,,new owners PLEASE DONT LOSE HIM
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13 May 2012 13:31:10
Green chief exec of 13 companies, 12 liquidated and the other currently in admin. Bears better pray fit And proper persons testing is done.
Do not bury your heads again
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Once again more interested in rangers than your own club , must be pure fear , what else can it be
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What about the other 40 odd companies that weren't liquidated? Selective in the material you choose to focus in on .
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Thats funny becuase someone else was on here earlier spouting that he had been involved in 40 companies and 15 insolvent.
all big businessmen are going to have some failed business ventures. doesnt mean the man is doing it for the wrong reason
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@1; FUN!
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They like the colour of our strip doug t.s.0
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13 May 2012 12:54:10
Good to see Charles Green take over the club, seems to have a lot of big hitters behind him.
"Mystic Stevio" get ready to eat some humble pie.
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Have to admit was very sceptical when I heard about him but after listening to him it actually sounds like he really wants to save us wont get to excited though we have heard it all before
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Can you name any of these "big hitters"? nah,didnt think so
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A disagree seems all bait rushed to me an how did he get whites shares for a quid.all bait weary for me.
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Think most rangers fans will be weary after everything we have had to go through one thing we can be sure of is papers and all the dhims trying to find any little scrap of dirt they can on the guy (a good thing if its relevant to the takeover) just hopeful of a cva now
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The chandler brothers are 2 not mega rich but not eating super noodles either
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Mystic stevo,has always predicted death,the grim reaper armageddon the abyss ,but whyte SAVED yous for 4month,via not paying PAYE,NI...Hope yous enjoyed RFC,s last ever game today,ha,Whilst the true honest CHAMPIONS have won an UNTAINTED TITLE.......ILWT...stevo
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13 May 2012 12:33:29
The accepted Rangers bid is brilliant! 20 individuals and families from the UK, the Middle East, the Far East and Asia are in the consortium!
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A line of crooks if Craig whyte has had anything to do with the sell.
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Do you know any names? cos green aint saying
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Right so an average of £400k per investor. These are not big investors, if indeed they invest at all. Sounds like one of those collateralised deals where if Green defaults then Rangers becomes the property of someone else like Portsmouth did more than once.
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Craig whyte has nothing to do with this consortium mr green said he has only spoke to him 2 times last week and this week
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So it took twenty investors to raise the cash? Green also said on radio anybody with 500k can buy in. This could be interesting
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13 May 2012 12:04:07
Guys just missed the interview with charlie Green can anyone update me please??
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Says there are twenty people in consortium, from middle east, far east and uk. Nobody will own more than 15 per cent of club. Says CVA is proposed way and after discussions with major creditors believes that can be achieved. They have a legally binding contract that does not allow walking away. If CVA not accepted will go down the newco route. He states that what we will get from him is the truth, even if we don't want to hear it. He sounds like a straight talking Yorkshire man.
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Sheffield utd anyone?
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Well judge him how you will. What he sounds like and what other people who have experience of him say about him both need to be weighed up.
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@1 of course no one person can own more than 15 percent of the club if there are 20 people in the consortium its basic maths lmfao.
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@4 your wrong! 1 person could own 62% and the other 19 could own 2% each Or something along those lines so maybe basic Maths is not you strong point
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5@4 why you slag of 1 post when any fool could work out that you could have more than 15 per cent if all the other people only put in a 2 per cent share that would leave some one with 62 per cent if 20 involved so dont try and be a smart arse
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It would be arithmetic actually. You have presumed that everyone would have an equal share, silly boy/girl.
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Lmfao @4 so if somebody puts up £6.6 million and 19 put up £100k they all own 5% FFS return the Seville calculator or put new batteries in it
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13 May 2012 11:52:28
Here is a post from the "Selik Families" rumour site, I cant believe they have a tricolour incorporated in their new away top.
If Scotland or the UK doesnt appeal to these morons why dont they take their "Club with Irish Roots" and move there, I cant understand for the life of me why they stay in a Country they obviously have no affinity for.
We have Ulster Scots roots and have many fans travel from Ulster to Rangers games, can you imagine the reaction if we incorporated an Ulster Flag in our away top?
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Anyway here it is:
Some more info on the away kit.
The long sleeve does not have the tricolour turn back on the cuff it is only on the short sleeve.There is no 3xl on any of the product,this is a decision made by Nike across all clubs and not a decision made by the club.The little boys/infants kits are still scheduled for the 18th June however the unsponsored jerseys now have an ETA of 4th July.
Jungle Bhoy.
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I remember the out rage when Rangers was with Diadora, think it was season 2002/03 when the away top with Orange, resulting in the Orange top been taking off the market.
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Ritchie 712 sums up all thats wrong with Rangers. its only colours for christ sake and your club is dying ,I would think you should have better things to worry about
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This has to be one of the most pathetic and pointless posts I think I have ever read. We have a tricolour cuff on the sleeve of the new to, wow that is such a big deal and is cleary an indication that we want to go and play in ireland. By your way of thinking I could then ask you why on earth did rangers have an orange away top in the past? It's not a colour associated to your club but some would argue it is a tip of the hat to your heritage and origins! At the end of the day it is a football shirt, simple as that!
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The orange shirt was an homage to the Dutch contingent that was part of the rangers family.
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With guys who highlight a f##king tricolour on seliks top n start the whole s###e about sending people "back to ireland" we'll never eliminate bigotry from the old firm. who cares?? Im a rangers die hard n wouldn't bother if the selik wore leprechaun outfits tae play fitba against us.....all that matters is that there is an us next season. get a grip pal.
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Well queens park had orange and blue to go with the irn bru doug t.s.o
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Its a big deal when we fly a union jack the flag of our country yes a tricolour is to show your heritage why not put a nice wee union jack next to it and show respect to the country yous play in and the vast majority of your fans were born in
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Colors dont bother me as ive always been taught green was the Republican color White as a sign of surrender and Orange was the Loyalist color and there is nothing wrong with showing your historical facts
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To claim the tricolour is on strip as a tribute to 125 th anniversay and their Irish heritage, please answer the following. What was the flag of Ireland in 1888 and why not put that in the kit.
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@9: I'm pretty sure the Irish people the club was set up to help didn't have much love for that flag at the time.
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13 May 2012 11:22:26
Today is a good day. CheltBlue
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How do you know its a good day? Do you know anything about these people?
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The sun was shining, football to watch and I had peace and quiet to have a couple of beers. Oh and Rangers might just survive. A good day. CheltBlue
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He jusat said it was a good day today maybe he got lucky this morning
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13 May 2012 11:19:50
looked into this guy green,has been involved with over 40 companys and dissolved 15 of them,how this guy can pass a fit and proper means test is beyond me,its starting all over again tr7
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Most big businessmen are involved in some form of insolvent ventures. although i understand your paranoia
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It's tricky for sure. But D&P now need to convince the creditors it's their best chance.
Remember this isn't just about football.
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Dissolving companies are business decisons often made by many and has absolutely hee haw to do with being a proper and fit individual, sounds to me like you are a BK fan who were all mouth ans no substance.
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The is nothing wrong with disolving a company, i have done this three times before. If a company is debt free it can be disolved.
Massive difference from liquidation, look it up before you criticise.
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13 May 2012 11:17:32
DEE & FEE have been working soooo hard , unlike our ED s who seem to have slept in on this sunny Sunday, I'm in France!!, is this really a done deal, and when will get to know the details? ED are you there? {Ed022's Note - I do love my sunday snooze.}
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Deal done but wont know who the consortium is until cva is agreed.
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13 May 2012 10:28:43
wo wo wo lets back up a minute, great some movement finally in hopefully the right direction but who the hell are this consortium? before you start telling us your gonna do this and gonna do that and that your very happy to have accuired our great club would it not be common curtousy to present yourselves to the fans and media first we know who`s fronting the consortium but he`s not the money man behind it, so who is and what are their intentions so we can arrange some due dilegnce on these buyers to ensure their the suitable for rangers football club never mind creditors. once again fans have been left in the dark over this!!
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Patience all will be revealed where the financial backing is coming from is not important the dream team running the club to future success is what matters
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How do you know it's a dream team? no one knows any of them
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Brilliant! A dream team that you dont know anything about.Here we go again
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13 May 2012 10:15:27
London consortium have agreed deal to buy club. Press conference soon on Ssn.
Come on Ed get out your bed! {Ed022's Note - I wasn't in bed, just sifting through over 200 posts saying the same thing.}
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13 May 2012 09:55:55
Wakey, wakey Ed. A bit late today aren't we, though it is Sunday! News conference imminent..... {Ed022's Note - Sorry mate, but I was absolutely swarmed with posts and it's taken some time to sift through them.}
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13 May 2012 09:26:00
If today is the last game of the Glasgow Rangers as we know it, it has been an honor and a privilege supporting you! Thanks for the memories and letting us see some cracking games and some world class players! Whatever you are or wherever you are next season I will still follow on! WATP and I dont do walking away!!
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Great post mate.you ,me and thousands of bears,we will follow on.
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No it isnae coz there no such club as glasgow rangers how do fans not know this ???
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13 May 2012 09:12:45
Morning ED. So green owns gers? Hope you've nit got a hang over mate cos it sounds like it'll be a busy day for you haha. Good luck
Dtp89 {Ed022's Note - Believe me, you have no idea mate. I'm not hung over, but I'm massively busy as it is and now I'm having to edit through 200 posts from Rangers fans, as well as do some digging into what the hell's going on with Rangers also. I love my life. Haha!}
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13 May 2012 08:41:17
BBC news reporting club sold to Green press conference this morning...
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13 May 2012 08:32:47
Sold to the man in Green , looks like our club has a new owner Bears ... News to follow soon the airport bear ??
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13 May 2012 07:13:13
Hi there ppl just been informed that Charles green consortium to buy the might Glasgow rangers today then hit the ground running with a Cva agreement all ready to be accepted by clubs creditors including Hmrc ticketus will not be in the Cva pot. As they at sueing cw and his company in the bvi one of Singaporean wealthiest family's involved in his consortium .u heard it here 1 st Jamie we are the ppl, I think he should be given a fare chance to buy the club with us the best fans in the world also just heard there as u was putting finishing touches to my post that Nile Quinn for Sunderland owner is involved don't know if true but one can only hope as he is quite wealthy himself
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What a load of cobblers! no body knows who is in the consortium
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HMRC not agreed to anything yet according to Mr Green on radio interview but he is hoping and praying they do .......
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13 May 2012 06:40:28
If,as reported. Charles Green,is to take Rangers over. Will he rename M***ay Park. Green Park?
It's only banter.
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He can call it celtic park if he likes as long as he tears down murrays name :P
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13 May 2012 05:58:18
Cleanse and refocus - I can now accept the third division if we seize the chance to get our soul back,
Get rid of the stupid baggage and restart with the great original principals of our founders.
History has gone sour - lets make some new legends.
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13 May 2012 05:08:30
well fellow bears today the club moves into
the hands of a new owner called mr green how ironic is that it's a new chapter in the history of our club we should back them support them and together keep our 140 years history for another 140 years for today we are the people we've been saved
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You still owe big time numpteys
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13 May 2012 03:18:37
Insider news on rangers twitter. Rangers lost tax case, £67million due. HMRC not budging on 20p on £, meaning £13million to be paid. Rangers have asked for 500 extra security stf for monday as liquidation to be announced.
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13 May 2012 03:03:58
Sunday Sun claiming club sold to consortium from London headed by Green anyone know who else is involved
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13 May 2012 01:59:19
Why can nobody make a quick decision any more?
HMRC - when is the decision to be made, it has been months, why can't they arrive at a decision? How long does it take to read evidence and make a decision?
Duff & Duffers - why can't they decide on a preferred bidder, how long does it take to read an offer and make a decision?
SPL - delay after delay, make a decision!
SFA - delay after delay
As Bill Skankly once said - if you can't make a decision, you would be better off being an MP. {Ed022's Note - Great quote.}
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13 May 2012 00:22:07
just like to say i stay in a strong rangers community been talking to alot of season ticket holders and we all think its rip for rangers,and no one i know has said they will never attatch themselves to any other club even a newco,scottish football is in a really bad state but its going to get alot worse without a doubt,tic fans can laugh at our demise but be ready for a scaled down tic that will never compete in the champs league again,your club is not going to pour millions into a club that will canter the league every year,no sky deal worth millions,the fat lady is clearing her throat on scottish football
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12 May 2012 23:42:46
Does all this 'the next 24 hours will reveal more info' p!sh remind anyone of nervously waiting for the postman in August for exam results? With that exam subject in mind, here is another question "TBK proposal, all fart and no follow through? Discuss."
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