Rangers Banter Archive May 13 2014
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13 May 2014 19:15:16
got to admit as a rangers fan I have really been impressed with the ruthless decisions that ann budge has made at hearts and can only wish that some one
would come in and do the same at our club as this is isactly what is needed
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That maybe but I don't think her choice of c levein as director of football will work out throughout his career he cannot take any negative comments and basically its his way or no way robbie neilson will turn out to be the fall guy but in our situation she would be ideal to come shouting from the hip
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OP, OK it was a ruthless decision but was it the right one?
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Lbj d) I hear what you are saying about CL. He got a lot of bad press in the Scotland job (and much of it deserved) but he transformed Dundee United when in a similar role. I think this could be a very astute appointment by Anne Budge
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13 May 2014 18:38:42
ed your vote on loan players of course its worth a look anything that improves the football team anything is worth alook or trial but ally does not appear to do anything but sign players that are pasy
t there sell buy date and I f they are potentially good players they start quite good 6 months with ally coaching there form plummets he must go
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{Ed039's Note - Echoing what I have been saying for a few years now mate)
Lbj d, Makes total sense, mate.
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13 May 2014 17:31:20
Here is a question for you. Say we sack Ally and appoint Davis for example and we are sitting outside of the promotion places having blown our budget what do we do? Do we sack Davis and pay his compo then appoint another manager? Or do we cross our fingers and hope we can turn things round? And what happens if we don't turn things round and we remain in the championship do we then sack the manager and appoint someone else? If Ally ain't doing it next season there will be a roar of protest against him and he will be away no question. So I say we stop moaning, support our manager, and look forward to an exciting season ahead.
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Keep ally on at his present wages and the same scenario comes up it would cost more to sack ally as it would to sack him now and employ someone on a whole lot less contracts now have clauses like tim sherwood pepe mel and oscar garcia at the end of their first season there performance can be reviewed and if not up standard or unsuitable or even the manager wants out there is a set amount already agreed nothi like full contract
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OP here is a question for you (2 actually)- are you a democrat and do you believe in free speech?
There are 2 possibly 3 camps it seems in my opinion on this site.
(1) people like you, r. f. AB72, gaz, geo the ger, clarkston bud, Copland1 and Johncass and others who are fully behind Ally
(2) people like SG 75 and Mols who might be slightly less enthusiastic about Ally but see other problems are of far greater importance like securing new ownership or greater stability and better governance
(3) People like me who were fans of Ally as our greatest ever goalscorer but no longer want him as our manager. Because of the poor state of our football team and because of the overall age and cost of our football team.
The three things we hopefully have in common is we all want Rangers to be successful, sustainable and to play entertaining football.
It can get heated on here at times but that is frustration at our plight and particularly the disappointment at in-spite of the money the fans put towards the club none of the three common aims have been achieved for our third group.
Our second group (2) are satisfied that at least from their point of view we are progressing towards success by getting up the divisions.
Your column (1) think group (3) are some sort of traitors and not proper fans because we do not share your enthusiasm for the manager.
However most of us in group (3) will have spent every bit as much money on season tickets and travel in this country and abroad as you have.
I would suggest you don't read my posts and I won't read your posts or at least not react negatively to your posts as we quite simply will never agree.
But hopefully we will at least respect each others right to an opinion even if we cannot understand the others opinion.
If we get a successful RANGERS who are successful, sustainable and play good football then we should all be happy.
But because of different perspectives and ambitions for the club there will still be something to argue about/discuss- its called democracy- some countries don't have it but it leads to different views.
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Why are trying to sign forwards when mccoist plays long baw one up front.
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Ed can you tell us how many season tickets are sold
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{Ed039's Note - I honestly dont know, there are various rumours going about but only the guys in the ticket office and behind the scenes will know for sure)
Grey bear we all want the best but we can't have everything we want at the one time the the shareholding situation will take time to sort I won't start blabbing on with my views are well known it will take share purchase to get us out of that one but performances on the field we maybe can influence a bit by shouting loud enough and honestly there is no betternes for ally and his methods I actually despair we have one of the best football complex in the country we have more signed players than any other club we pay the second highest wages inthe country and what do we have to show a team who now ar so stereotyped they probably cannot play any other way than lumping the ball forward we r foster in his second spell when he did not make it the first time to name but one we have nicky clark scoring goals for fun at q os on £400 /week we have him on £4000 /week and won't give him an extended run in his natural position I could go on and on but honestly I don't take berating ally lightly there is absolutely no chance on him now making a manger fit to restore us to our former glory because he suffers from tunnel vision which equates to allys vision that I s my opinion maybe not everyones but I can only speak as I see it but also everyone has the perogitive to do the same
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Name-dropped by greybear. woohoo, made my night!
Honestly, good post gb, although less than enthusiastic doesn't cover over it for me. Pretty sure our youth team would have won promotion from the part time leagues we've won, probably playing better football. I've been against mccoist as manager for a while if you check my posts, but only defended him lately against some mental comments on here.
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Radio said 4000 had been sold.
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Greybear, Excellent summary of our current predicament. As you say we, Rangers supporters, can disagree on factors relating to our club, but at the end of the day we have the same goal. The Glasgow Rangers, a team to be proud of.
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@2 I don't know where any of that came from but yes I believe in true democracy and absolutely in free speech so here's a question for you before you stop reading my posts, if we had a democratic vote as to who should be manager and 20% voted for Ally 20% voted for Butcher 20% for mccoll and 40% for Davis who should be manager.
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Jyf, What Davis was it, Steve or Harry?
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@ 9 I think there was a poll about managers and I think Derek McInnes came out on top. That may have been because of Aberdeen's form at the time we assumed thy were going to win both cups. But if that was how a manager was selected then someone with twice as many votes should win the contest. But it doesn't work that way or Ally would be out because a Majority are against him now.
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@lbj d - agreed -my thoughts too
@ SG- 75 cheeky sod- and am no creating another category just for you.
@billyb- if I said Joe Davis I think from reading your posts you may- just remember him?
And on an earlier thread with twmnn and lbj-d who did "take your pick"?
Remember they had keys for boxes and some had sort of booby prizes or money/holidays etc in the boxes on the wall?
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Yes Greybear, I had forgotten about him and his brother Fred. Great times, watching snooker on a black and white telly. Wish I was old enough to remember. ha! ha!
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Greybear I posted the other night it was micheal miles that done take your pick I think lol
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Billyb you must remember commentater saying for those watching in black and white the brown ball is the onenext to the yellow one of tv biggest gaffs I can't remember the commentater but its a true story
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@tmwnn sorry m8 I'm not like like Yogi I'm slower than the average bear. I thought you were talking about another show.
Was that "double your money it's your lucky day- double your money and take it away"? And "take the money - naw open the box"?
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Tmwnn, Yes that certainly was a classic. I cannot remember the commentator but it came back to me, when reading an article about recent 'Colemanballs', the other day.
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@ billyb / tmwnn- how's about Ted Lowe? Double your money was Hughie Green if anyone was interested now I have found out who it was I remember the show was quite forgetable
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Double your money hughie green take your pick michael miles and bob danbus walker and the yes no interlude it was h green that said I scincerily hope so folks that's history lesson over
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13 May 2014 11:17:38
I find it hard to believe that St Mirren and Hearts sack thier managers. Two managers who have done a far better job with their teams than Ally has done with ours. Personally think Hearts have made a huge mistake. Locke played a young team that without a points deduction would have escaped automatic relegation. Could anybody honestly answer that McCoist could have done the same? McCoist answer for next season is Kenny Millar. McCoist is a clown and a joke as a manager!
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Great post Marathon Bear I agree totally with the comments about our "manager" but cannot see what on earth Hearts and St Mirren think could have been done differently. I think possibly in the case of Hearts it was part of the agenda to get Craig Levein back in somehow but it has hugely upset their fans who appreciated Locke's effort and dignity. As for Danny Lennon who won a national Cup competition last year and kept the Paisley Giants up again this year and was one game away from their highest ever finish in the league.
But if you can be bothered have a look at the financial page just to raise the despondency level a wee bit higher.
Unless the fans- yes that is us buy this club we are absolutely finished.
We all knew we have been over a table with our breeks at our ankles but GAZ1 posts just crystalise a bit more how much more right royally fecked we are.
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@ m. bear would u be happy to finish in bottom half of top league when we get there also the two managers u mentioned haven't had to build a squad from scratch bar 6 as we had to do with the remit of getting back to the top a. s. a. p so stage1&2 with 2 championships complete albeit not the best of football played its job done, so the time to get on the managers case would be when we get back to the top and the football does not improve
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Disagree with #2. The time is now because McCoist does not have what it takes to get us out of thext division. Hearts and potentially Hibs are a far differen cry from Stenhousemuir and Arbroath (team which we have struggled against already). Time to open your eyes. Any inept manager could have got us out of these divisions with the money we have blown (and he did!)
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Ally's problem is that he has to provide 3 promotions in a row. It is easy enough for us to tell him how to do it, but he has to actually achieve this. Most of us agree that we should have blooded more young players, however we are not the ones under pressure to do this.
We are stuck with him, accept it. At the end of the day, if Rangers are playing in the top league the season after next, can it be classed as failure?
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I wish people would stop re-writing history. Rangers first training session at the start of 2012/2013 had 13 players plus four more on extended absence. Three were admittedly out of contract but still, it was no where near the 6 mentioned.
Broadfoot, McCulloch, Wallace, Alexander, Gallagher, Hutton, Perry, Naismith, Cole, Hemmings, Mitchell, Kerkar and Hegarty. (Not to mention Andrew Little who didn't appear. ) Still to return were Goian, Edu, Bedoya and Bocanegra.
Okay can we finally put that one to bed please before it turns into Ally, a blind guy and his dug?
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Rf these two managers built there teams with next to no money what macoist has spent on wages in two years would have bought these two clubs out lock stock and smokin barrel are u mad how do u think all y would have done in there shoes he haw or worse
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@1 why is manager in inverted commas? Does winning two league titles in a row the second of which was won without losing a game and by a record amount not qualify you to call yourself a manager? He also came second in the SPL, not good enough I know, but there was exceptional circumstances, so does that not make him a manager?
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@6 differnce being between these teams as u put it and us, is we demand instant success, can u just imagine what ally would've got considering he's won 2 championships and getting pelters if he had played a team. of youth players and failed
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Jyf, I can see what Greybear means. He is a manager in name only and thus the inverted commas. Re your justification of him, my response would be, that he had dice loaded in his favour and thus has not earned the title. As Greybear says in a later post, we don't always agree but we are still bluenoses.
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@7, no, not in my opinion, it does not make him a manager.
Tony Pulis, now that IS a Manager. A guy who MANAGES to produce a team and performances that are greater than the sum of it parts. Ally has achieved the total opposite. I would prefer to describe what he has done as mismanaged.
I am sure you will disagree whilst you are on your "let's support our worst "manager" (in inverted commas) I can remember crusade"
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On the other hand, you may have a point.
He did MANAGE to blow a 15 point lead in the SPL!
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@5 Ally 5 old blind men and 5 old dugs has been this years starting eleven in most games. But we were unbeaten so everything is peachy- according to some. Planning for the future? oh dinae complicate things
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Lol, true enough Greybear. 14 out of those 18 mentioned played at some part during that season so it is utter nonsense to suggest the club started with the bare bones of a 5 a side team. Jeez Inverness only had 15 stripped for action at Celtic Park last month.
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Everyone can argue arguments can be made for all circumstances the one with thre players with there presentregarding ally could he have won the league wiyh ayr utd stranraer or even made the play offs ask your self that and u have the answer to how good is he
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Ibj d very well put at very easy way of putting it mate at n14 but still some will disagree mate
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