13 Sep 2011 23:41:37
look fellow bears what ever happens will happen very few of us have any control in upstairs matters ano that most guys on this site spend nearly all there money goin tae watch us , why change yer gony wake up a bluenose in the morn, all this s**t disny matter its just part of being a fan, wit a mean is youv'e got options just dont go tae games and dont buy a season tkt if ye feel your gettin ripped off , but dont anybody hide behind the financial state of the club for not going , the team need us as much as we need them tae perform the now ,fuk our problems lets get on bisness am just listenin tae ssn an they said thers a real danger of us goin out of bisness ,lets face it bears its no happenin , we will prevail, weev got problems bigtime but if anybody on this site can solve them go ahead and do it , if not just be ther on sunday and watch us do a rite number on celtic
Rangers Banter Archive September 13 2011
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13 Sep 2011 23:34:43
Rangers director Dave King is to jet in to Glasgow for a boardroom showdown with under-pressure Ibrox owner Craig Whyte as the clubs financial plight took another sinister twist.
Former Rangers chief executive Martin Bain secured a court order to freeze £480,000 of the Ibrox clubs assets when a judge in the Court of Session ruled there was a real and substantial risk of insolvency for the SPL champions if a major tax case brought by HMRC went against them.
Lord Hodge said that in reaching his view he was concerned with the degree of possibility and not actually or even the probability of insolvency.
But with Rangers currently fighting two tax claims the larger of which could saddle the club with a £50million bill Whyte is coming under increasing pressure despite his guarantees in Sportsmail this week that the club is not going to fail.
That pressure is likely to be increased by Kings arrival, with Whyte refusing to rule out administration if the bigger tax case is lost while rounding on malicious coverage of the clubs solvency.
King, who is exiled in South Africa, remains the largest minority shareholder in the Ibrox club and, despite the distraction of his own multi-million pound row with the South African tax authorities and a series of legal battles, he has requested a board meeting to establish the facts behind the series of negative headlines.
Keen to get to the heart of the matter, a concerned King is preparing to fly to Glasgow in a quest to salvage what is left of a £20m investment he made under the David Murray regime.
And a source close to the 55-year-old businessman told Sportsmail that he has options at his disposal, although he declined to go into details.
One of few survivors of a cull which saw Bain, finance director Donald McIntyre, close ally Paul Murray and former chairman Alistair Johnston booted off the board, King is believed to have been behind a rival funding plan before Whytes takeover.
There will be a board meeting soon; that has already been requested, our source said. As the single biggest significant minority shareholder, David Kings options are more expansive than anyone elses.
Right now, there is a need for clarification as to what the situation is and his view is that everything has to come out the right way. But David wants to hear the facts in reality rather than via noise levels in the media.
That does not help any of the parties concerned.
Whyte spoke out on Monday following the emergence of a stolen draft of the court papers set to be served by deposed chief executive Bain.
The document, which emerged on the internet, forced Whyte to address reports that the solvency of the club was in danger or that he planned to let Rangers go under if the HMRC tax bill came to more than £15m.
Whyte said: There is a mess to clear up and my team and I are doing that now. Make no doubt about it, there will be some big and hard decisions in the weeks and months ahead.
But we are all up for the challenge and we are going to make sure that Rangers come through in a much stronger and better position than ever.
The developments at the Court of Session will, however, come as a body blow to the new Rangers regime.
Bain is fighting a £1.3m breach of contract claim after being part of the cull when Whyte took over. Lord Hodges decision to freeze a percentage of that sum is to guard against the club losing their fight with the tax man and being unable to pay their bills.
Lord Hodge said that he accepted proceedings were at an early stage, but added: I am not persuaded that the outcome of the Revenue claim is too remote in time for the court to form a view as to the existence of a risk.
Having regard to the structure and terms of the takeover deal, I am satisfied that there is a real and substantial risk of insolvency if the tax case were to be decided against Rangers in favour of the Revenue in the sums being spoken about.
HMRC are also understood to have had £2.3m arrested as they fight the smaller of the two tax claims with the club, which could result in a bill of over £4m.
Whyte would not comment personally last night on the latest twist in the Bain case, but
sources close to the Rangers owner admitted he was angry and dismayed by events.
There is a feeling on Whytes side that the court action by the former chief executive to arrest funds was a calculated ploy intended to heap negative publicity on Rangers in the countdown to the first Old Firm derby of the season at Ibrox on Sunday.
It is also worth noting that the Ibrox owner has a counter-claim lodged against Bain for breach of contract in his role as chief executive, with the details of that case yet to receive any public airing.
It has been suggested that case will be explosive if, and when, it reaches court.
A spokesman for Rangers said: In a week where the focus should be on football, the conduct of Martin Bain, who always claimed to have the best interests of Rangers Football Club at heart, is truly astonishing and I am sure our supporters would agree.
The club is disputing any money is due to Mr Bain and we will be vigorously appealing the decision. It should be noted the case taken against Rangers has not yet been proven or even heard yet.
All that has happened today is that a sum of money has been set aside if the club were to lose the case.
Feck sake who wrote war and peace!
Yes! I got to the end. If you typed that Awch lol. But I read a similar post
How good does a 'boardroom showdown' sound? Quite appropriate for a couple of cowboys.
The Bookie
13 Sep 2011 23:10:43
Well well well, Martin Bain is showing his true colours now! This man is a disgrace, not only has he played a massive massive role in Rangers downfall he is now intent on pulling Rangers down! This should be noted by all, this mans greed and ego have been allowed to grow unmanaged and without responsibility- he has robbed us all! Whilst we have gone to games and supported our team through adversity (created by him and others) he has dipped his hands in the till and filled his pockets. abusing our trust and his position!
I am disgusted, and sick to the pit of my stomach by this mans actions. A man who claims to have Rangers at heart! You f**king liar.
And for all the rest of you who seem certain Whyte is a fraudster. What about Bain, along with Johnston, King and Murray what the he'll must they be?
It is you who is misguided and deluded!
GDog
13 Sep 2011 22:27:23
BREAKING NEWS
Daviet Legal Services are now representing RFC in the tax tribunal with HMRC.
Before accepting the instruction from RFC Daviet lodged a claim with the court in the sum of 50p for his esteemed legal services in the event that RFC lose the case.
Does it REALLY bother you THAT much that I went and did a bit of digging around?
Get a f*cking life!
daviet
For all bears puzzled by this, see your rumours page, where daviet states as FACT Rangers have no case to answer, hooray your club is saved by cordial super Daviet! hail hail Timalloy
..Seems some of the dheclans cant face the fact that Rangers might not have to pay this £49 million bill they have all been praying for and trying to ridicule a bear who is presenting them with the facts....maybe some of the dheclans should be asking their board how come Rangers have managed to win the league for the last three year while skint..
..Oh it bothers them Daviet....keep up the good work brother..
This the only evidence I've seen regarding the tax case, people that think rangers owe millllllllllions can't provide any links, sources, or evidence to back up their chat.
Well done chap for doing abit of digging around.
Anamemattersnot
Rangers do own millions - no media in the sand where you've stuck your head?
Not own, sorry, owe.
13 Sep 2011 22:26:21
Worth a read bears
HMRC backdated tax claims against EBT users 'wildly innacurate'
Posted Aug 25, 2011printEmailRss
A leading accountancy firm says that HMRC has launched its long anticipated clampdown against users of Employment Benefit Trust (EBT) schemes, but many of the claims for backdated taxes are 'wildly inaccurate'.
UHY Hacker Young says that many of the thousands of individuals who have used EBT schemes in recent years are likely to have received correspondence from HMRC in recent weeks demanding payment for unpaid taxes.
Typically, penalties are not being sought if past tax liabilities are settled immediately, although court action is threatened for individuals who don't comply.
EBT Legislation
The Government first published draft legislation which targeted intermediaries (mainly EBTs) which provided 'disguised remuneration' to clients. Thousands of contractors are thought to have used such schemes over the past decade.
The Finance Bill 2011, published on 31st March 2011, contained the legislation which effectively outlawed disguised remuneration schemes, and its provisions became law on 6th April 2011, even though the new rules had not received Royal Assent. All payments made to clients via these schemes are now subject to standard income tax and National Insurance rules.
In addition, anti-forestalling measures were put in place, which apply to loans and similar payments made between 9th December 2010 and 5th April 2010, as payments made between these dates would have been subject to the new regulations had they been made on or after 6th April 2011.
You can read more background to the EBT clampdown here.
HMRC's case 'far from watertight'
According to the accountancy firm, many of the HMRC demands for payment are just 'hot air', as Steve Theaker, partner at UHY Hacker Young's Abergavenny office commented:
"Several of the letters I have seen are wildly inaccurate estimates of the amounts of tax actually in dispute. HMRC could at least get the numbers right.
"HMRC has litigated twice on the taxability of loans from EBTs and lost on both occasions. The courts have essentially ruled that EBTs were a legitimate form of tax planning prior to HMRC's announcement last December. HMRC seems to be pinning its hopes on judges reversing the precedent which has already been set - but why would they do that?"
"HMRC's case is far from watertight. Taxpayers should think very carefully about how they respond to these letters. If they chose to settle they may end up paying tax which HMRC has no legal right to. The letter actually says that if taxpayers chose to settle, but subsequent litigation finds in taxpayers' favour, the settlement cannot be reopened."
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It's a bit more complicated than that. That is why RFC and HMRC are paying hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal fees and not simply reading something of the internet.
Good to see you're posting something that is the subject of copyright.
It's not really, HMRC have failed miserably to get companies to willingly comply without a "need for litigation" as their track record in court is abysmal. HMRC also are hoping to use the Rangers case as a footing for bigger fish in the EPL. Hence their high profile and expensive attempt to create precedent, the gains for HMRC are potentially huge, Sorry if this bursts your Celtic minded agenda nor suits your interest in our troubles
13 Sep 2011 22:18:07
Rangers' former chief executive Martin Bain has had almost half a million pounds of the club's assets frozen after a judge agreed there was "real and substantial risk of insolvency".
BBC
What does it mean? Could someone tell me?
In short - Rangers now have another £500k they cannot use in the running of their business until the outcome of the HMRC case is known.
Ok Thanks
13 Sep 2011 21:55:01
What would happen if we went into administration in pre season next year? and is it 25 point deduction?
Christ geeza break
Oh for God sake!!! What would happen if the sky fell in and the oceans boiled? What would happen if the banks started to lend money again and first time buyers could get on the property ladder? What would happen if all the Celtic fans started to post on their own site?
Just a couple more testing questions, anyone have any more?
GDog
Weed win the league by a point
Gdog, I have a question, what is the meaning of Life? hail hail Timalloy
Timalloy I could tell you, however you would not like the answer.
GDog
13 Sep 2011 21:51:29
Could everyone please shut up! Whyte this and Whyte that.I think you'll find that although the good times were fun, it was Murray's rein that's put us in this position. Overspending, tv deals being reduced and ressession are all much more real reasons to downsize than the guff being spouted about Whyte being some sort of Bond villian.
C'mon the Gers, bring though the youth, 2-1 for us on Sunday!
Pappy
13 Sep 2011 21:47:46
Not a rumour Jst for u all should know, gers played reserve match against killie McKay played on left whilst argentine trialist got 90 mins in central midfield beside McCulloch it does not say much about argentine performance although McKay was supposed to have played in a few good crosses and kerkar played well, source newsnow rangers, John gvnfrt.
This will be the first team next year
13 Sep 2011 21:45:24
I see the parent company on this website
have not been slow to notice the glaring need of septic fans and have created a CONSPIRACY
forum for all the tims where they can talk to each other and generally pis* each other off and maybe they might add a buy and sell section
too ..one could make a fortune selling
boot-leg buckie and other things too
this could be a step forward on their fans
being able to hone their commercial skills.
I think Rangers are firmly in control of the conspiracy theories these days, don't you?
UEFA have an agenda against us - well, dont sing your bigotted bile time after time
FARE have an agenda against us - if you can't behave after numerous warnings, you cant blame someone else
HMRC are leaking information - It's not HMRC, look within your own corridors for the mole
add in a smattering of 'celtic-minded' jornalists, police, tax inspectors, lawyers......you get the picture
Yeev lost me m8 but theyl all disappear when the famous are cantering the silverware (as usual)because statisics dont lie we are by far the team in the land an it sticks in theyr throat , theyr hatred for us well outweights the love for ther own mob , always has, always will, ye see the timothys always talk the talk but very rarely produce the goods when it matters and thats why they always talk garbish on our forums
13 Sep 2011 21:41:51
peter lawell has got a real cheek trying to mock craig whyte at least whyte is using his own money .lawell is just playing monoply with dermont desmonts money .its easy to spent money thats not yours
He's the chief exec
13 Sep 2011 21:23:15
Reading between the lines today, i think that Whyte has already admitted defeat in the big tax case, but obviously he has to put a positive spin on it.
It looks like he has accepted administration is the only way to survive (which isnt the end of the world btw), by the fact he's mentioning a £10m "black hole", trimming the wage bill, more pain to come etc....he's setting up top earners to be sold in january, no doubt about it.
The way he's speaking about going through rough times and emerging (years) down the line better off for it, tells me that he's prepared to sacrifice success on the pitch for X amount of years by filling the team with youngsters.
The fact that 2 court orders have been granted to seize certain amounts from the bank also speaks volumes, in the fact that 2 judges, with access to rangers finances, have judged that there is a very real possibility of insolvency.
I still wouldn't trust Whyte as far as i could throw him, even more so after todays interview. The £9m jelavic bid completely baffles me, if there is a £10m deficit, then surely this bid would have been jumped at, to say that it would have left McCoist with no time to bring someone in is a joke.
Why has he admitted defeat, he clearly states that there is a back up plan put in place if for some reason they lost the case. Why wouldnt he do this as he clearly knew what was going on before he purchased the club. I for one believe what the man is saying and he has my backing same as all employed with Rangers FC. WHYTE WILL NO LET THE CLUB FAIL, Lets just go out and hammer that mob on Sunday and let them all eat their words in cluding that T*T Lawell. What Celtic and their fans are doing to us and we are all biting and downing the man that stepped in for us when it mattered. COME ON THE TEDDY BEARS!!!
Or maybe just maybe he believes what he said at the start, that the club will not grow if there is no success on the park! Hence maybe just maybe he won't sell!
Now I'm not saying this will not happen cause I have no clue what will happen, he may very well sell Jelly, however it just staggers me that so many people on here think in a completely unhealthy and negative way, how tiring life must be worrying about all the things that may never happen!
GDog
13 Sep 2011 21:03:06
Ed001 Did you make this site? Because I love it. You should make a videos page for youtube videos and stuff like that? It would be pretty good. Thanks and keep up the good work. {Ed001's Note - I did make the original site and all the offshoots. A youtube channel has been considered, but I just don't have the time for it.}
13 Sep 2011 20:53:15
Iam going to the game on sunday. Not looking
Forward to it i feel well get a proper doing.
Celtic look much better pound for pound and theyll be buzzing
About europe,paid for season ticket what should i do?
Away and gees piece. I've never heard so much rubbish.
Followfollow81
Mate if you don't want your season ticket give it to me and i will give it to somebody who will appreciate it unlike yourself
Give the season ticket to me mate as you clearly dont deserve it.
13 Sep 2011 20:16:53
Ed - was Martin Bain the Chief Executive at the time of the Employee Benefit Trusts. My memory tells me he wasn't. {Ed014's Note - Before Martin Bain took over in 2005, the responsibility would have been with Campbell Ogilvie.
According to the leaked court documents Martin Bain was paid £610,000 salary plus bonus. No wonder we are in the s**t
13 Sep 2011 19:50:20
ed could we please have a rangers page. i think all those ceptic fans think they have won the league cause thay keep coming on to the champions page. or have thay been hibernating for the last 3 years and woke up thinking they are still champions!
13 Sep 2011 19:47:03
Peeps need to settle down. If worst comes to worst, we go into administration. We survive, we clear the decks of all the silly debts and payments still due and get a fresh start, eventually. If we win the HMRC case, or get a manageable bill, then the same will eventually happen, we clear the decks. My own thoughts are that we will not suffer too badly due to any possible tax bill and additional fine, if we even lose that is. We are where we are, we need to focus on what we can influence and that's supporting the team on the pitch. Craig White ain't gonna butcher Rangers to make money, simply because we aren't gonna be profitable for a long time.
JD
Aye.all we need to do is find a new direction to go in will cutting our cloth accordingly spending a lot of money doesnt guarantee a good team look at the likes of ajax years ago
13 Sep 2011 19:24:31
Ed, can you give me your honest opinion on what's going to happen to Rangers?
Followfollow81 {Ed014's Note - Going with what has came out in the papers today,it could be a long hard fight on our hands this season.If we can keep the squad for this year we will still be pushing for trophies on the park.Craig Whyte surely has a plan to turn things round somehow off the field.
Followfollow81, how many eds are you going to ask the same question to ha ha Timalloy (see him on celtic site also)
I've asked 6. Rangers, Celtic, Preston north end, Scunthorpe, Exeter, Elgin city.
Followfollow81
Followfollow81, you missed out all the "Ed"cases on rangers site hail hail Timalloy {Ed003's Note - It's great to see followfollow81 put the words Preston North End along the sides Elgin though,no offence to Elgin at all }
Ed, timalloy is just Jealous that we have more than one Ed lol. Are all you Eds going to stand for timalloy calling you Edcases? Lol.
Followfollow81 {Ed003's Note - Been called worse mate}
13 Sep 2011 19:17:55
Martin Bain has been bleeding us dry for years thats obvious now,he dosen't care about us.we need to support whyte instead of running him down all the time he is a brave man taking us on with the mess murray and Bain left us in.
13 Sep 2011 18:30:41
hi folks, is it just me whos proper confudsed as to why bain is gettin off lightly in the press? infact even praised? under his watch we ran up all sorts of tax misdemeanors and financial trouble yet the guy isnt taken his share of the blame when whyte has come in to clear up the last regimes mess and gets it in the neck?
someone clear this up for me
ps ed... any news on bartleys injury?
little boy blue {Ed001's Note - it looks like it will be another 6 weeks before Bartley is back after his surgery.}
13 Sep 2011 18:28:45
Bears......Bhoy coming in peace!
I hope Rangers don't go into insolvency/administration etc. We had a similar experience years ago and as a fan it was horrible. We all love our clubs and the thought of serious problems is not pleasant. We all know that we need you guys and you need us. End of story!
ChrisBhoy
Sense at last.
Well said mate.
Mark WATP
Well said Chris. It's refreshing to have someone come on and talk sense for a change.
13 Sep 2011 18:26:22
My team for OF game. McShagger. In defence Whittaker Bocanegra Goian Wallace. Midfield of Wylde Ness(if fit) Davis Naismith. Jelavic and Lafferty up front. Leaves McKay, Bedoya, Ortiz, Edu, Weir Papac, Clubfoot, Healy, Perry available for the bench.
Lets face it players think that clubs are replacable, which they are. Players are replacable also. Davis is overrated and his passing is very poor, but everyone loves him. I would not mind at all if we sold both and got some other players in on less wages as they can both be replaced. We just need to get our scouting system sorted out, which is a big joke right now.
13 Sep 2011 17:58:49
There have been lots of Rangers fans making comments to the effect of "Nobody really knows what the financial position with Rangers is and nobody really knows what Whtye's plans are".
This is said as some sort of defence for the current situation.
I think Rangers fans should be looking at it in the opposite way. If should be very very worrying to everyone if the financial position and Whyte's intentions are not known.
Whyte's takeover of Rangers was a smoke and mirrors deal and the way he is running the club is the same.
A few weeks ago he was claiming he was going to give Ally £15m to spend, now he's saying he has to reduce the wage bill (which means selling players). Confused?
At no point did c whyte say that we had £15m to spend, that was just paper talk. give him time, if our club is to have a good future we need to make some radical changes now. eric83
What is there to worry about? Nothing I or anyone else can do about it, outwith the club. Wait and see what happens, all you can do. If you can t affect anything personally, why worry about it??
Just as it was paper talk that he was worth £1bn. Then he was a multi-millionaire, then a millionaire. Hmmm.
13 Sep 2011 17:19:02
A guy further down mentions players like Davis and Jelavic earmarked to free up wages in January and I agree totally with what he says about Whittaker! 25k a week for what... 4 or 5 years!? That makes me sick to my core. If we want wages freed up he's number one. Then edu, broadfoot, McCulloch, Healy and all the other passengers. If Davis and Jelavic go in January so does 4 in a row and so does any faith in Mr Whyte and his band of muppets.
Wanting rid of players,and getting rid of players,are two entirely different things.someone has to want to sign them.when clubs know your skint,they wont pay top dollar either.you,ll start receiving the kind of bids you were making.
13 Sep 2011 16:44:55
forget about europe guys , does the new rule not come out next year regarding club finances[ed keep me right on this one {Ed001's Note - it is going to be over 3 years of accounts, so there is time to sort the club out. Plus a club in admin is unlikely to make any kind of a loss and so be well within the guidelines.}
13 Sep 2011 16:24:57
why do rangers fans still think there is no problem with the tax issue regarding your club [get a grip teddy bears, can not wait until sunday ai ibrox i will be the one in sun shorts and shades
Why will you be wearing sun shades and shorts? is it to remind yourself of all those glorious european games celtic have had the last few years? oh wait.........
s-bear
Nobody iv'e seen on here has denied there is an issue but neither yourself, me or anybody else that is not directly involved knows how big (or little) a problem the club has to deal with. The fact of the matter is we have been on our knees financially the last three years and have still managed to win the league championship. Perhaps you should be more concerned with that than our tax issue.
p.s Your wearing sun shorts and shades? I hope it p**hes down and your team get humped.
S-bear celtic got to the last 16 in the last few years.
And Rangers got there first
And Celtic done it twice which i think was first LOL
I would love to see all the manky mob with shorts and t-shirts on at the weekend. It will be pissing down... ha ha.
13 Sep 2011 16:16:22
Who dishes out the niknames at rangers? Coisty Duranty Fergy Flecky Boydy Whitty Jelly Naisy Greggsy How original!! Just add a Y!
That's what usually happens isn't it?
Hey timmy what about years ago..lubo.marko..lambo..scheito..etceto.etcto..etceto..sound familiar eejit.....
We could say the same about McGeady...oops
pappy
So you get to lambo then run out of things to say and then call me an eejit? Lol
Think you,ll find lubo was his name.
Lubo was short for lubomir, numpty!
Ye forgot bobo.
13 Sep 2011 15:52:29
Lets just say for talking sake that Rangers are found to have no case to answer against HRMC.
Will all the paranoid Celtic fans start shouting 'conspirency'.
It is more than certain that Celtic FC will have something to say in the matter if the case against Rangers is thrown out.
Celtic seem unable to control themselves when it comes to making statements regarding Rangers situation. Dr Reid has passed comments on several occassions and so has Lawell.
Celtic are also guilty of releasing statements to the press on many different matters that have no name attached to them, and all inside Parkhead take no responsibility of releasing them.......
I hope with all my heart that the grin is wiped of Lawells face soon and we can sit back, watch and listen to the balloon spout his utter garbage and have the paranoid Celtic fans whipped up to a frenzy.....
All the best to the Glasgow Rangers this Sunday....take no prisoners and give no quarter if blood is smelt.
Peter liewell will absolutely love that
s-bear
A bit rich calling Celtic fans of paranoid - this page reeks of paranoia at times. Anyone saying anything others don't like, even if it's true, is a Celtic fan. Add to this Whyte banning papers for telling the truth. Paranoia is rampant at Rangers.
The Bookie
13 Sep 2011 15:38:02
With the news about rangers needing to reduce the wage bill, do you think whyte has given long term contracts to our better players so they have a higher selling fee??
Mcgregor could now fetch 8m
Davis could now fetch 5m
whittaker could fetch 2-3m
alexanda, ness & perry could replace those 3 maybe.....
The deeper in debt you get,the less clubs will offer for your players.cos they know you will be so desperate for money.
13 Sep 2011 15:33:58
Putting all this tax dribble behind us for a minute to talk about the game on Sunday, what is all your predictions im going for 2-0 to the champions Jelavic and Davis
Rangers to win don't no how much by
weeblue
13 Sep 2011 15:17:43
On the great tax debate I don't think it is that great a problem the reason I say this is if we get hit with lets say a 40mill tax bill what I would do if I was MR WHYTE is say 2 SUPER ALLY sorry m8 jellyfish,davis,mcgregor have 2 go,next I would sell murray park the reason,since we have had this training complex lets face it we haven't seen an abundance of quality youngsters coming through which in my view we would have had if the little general had still been in charge or hold your breath paul le guen the reason I say this was because younsters were given their chance with these managers but our fans are 2 blame for this also as we want trophies yesterday and I think part of the problem lies with the trappings of working in plush surroundings if u don't have the correct people 2 make sure these are being used 2 max potential they are doomed 2 fail also the kids have 2 have fire in their belly thinking I want this not thinking after a couple of season's with the youths I am not going 2 make it or I am not going 2 get a chance just like what nearly happened with fergie if SIR WALTER had stayed fergie would have been off, we have some young players coming through now but that is down 2 finance not they are great players from what I have seen only ness & perry look as if they could go 2 the top.I had my son at his training & ceptic pro youth were using the same pitches as my son's team & they looked well organised & had coaches 2 make sure everything was done properly but I think this is why gordon smith has come on board 2 see what is happening that side & I am sure SUPER ALLY will address this also as I have noticed quite an influx of young players in the youth ranks.Also mr murray got us into this mess along with his other cronies so I would be quite happy 2 dispense with his name from anything 2 do with RANGERS yes I am glad I seen the likes of gazza & laudrup but at what cost so if selling murray park & moving 2 another purpose built complex which I think u could do at a fraction of the cost, lets face it the manky mob done it with the left over bits of their stadium, I remember program about gazza & him and charlie miller were carrying goalposts back 2 the van 2 go back 2 IBROX 2 get changed so if it's good enough for them get the rest of the pre madonnas 2 do it also but on that note I will always support my team, RANGERS TILL I DIE WE WELCOME THE CHASE
WATP70
Ideally I'd still like to keep Murray Park, (change the name if they want) but look at Charlie Adam, had he been given the chance maybe we could have sold him for the £9million Blackpool did. That would have paid off a fair chunk of the Murray Park bill. I totally agree the youth should be trusted more. 2-1 to the gers on Sunday.
pappy
13 Sep 2011 15:17:17
Sion appeal rejected .. Celtic back in europe .. ssn
What idiot disagreed?
13 Sep 2011 15:11:01
Are any of my fellow lifebears bored with the witchhunt of Craig Whyte?
The guy and his team looked at the figures and STILL took it on when everyone else said bolt!
We have secured our core team on long term contracts, albeit for the purpose of selling them, but that is something that the previous regime never did and we got raped.
Boyd-2 mil
Thompson-2mil
and matchwinners like Mendes and Novo for buttons.
Lloyds were choking our club for the money WE OWED THEM!
This guy gave us a lifeline, contracted our core players and brought in some internationals who will surprise a few.
Lets get back to the fitbaw talk and leave all the night of the long knives behind us.
Who cares if we didn't sign Messi, we are a provincial team from a small country, no matter what any of you kids think, punched above our weight for years while spending way above our income.
This has caused the current problems and while it is a problem it is not insurmountable to these guys.
You don't make that kind of money if your a daldo!
Unless your Jedward!
So come on Bears, lets have a show of faith in our Chairman, our Manager and our Team.
They are doing their best and we should remember that for every £25 quid WE spend, Craig Whyte has spent s**t*loads more.
Not knowing who's available due to injury I'll take a guess on the team.
Skegger
Whittaker, Goian, Boca, Papac.
Naismith, Davis, Mackay, Wylde/Wallace.
Laffs,
Jela.
Here's to a great game to show off Scottish football.
P.S.
f*** the co-eficient-Mon the Mattress Makers.
Rangers till they smoke me.
Bawjaws.
Witch hunt ffs and they say Celtic are paranoid.
Yes mate, because you's ARE paranoid. There has been a witch hunt, mainly by frustrated gers fans. But everythings a bit clearer now, we're behind the biggest team in Scotland and we're gonna spank smelltic on Sunday.
pappy
Bring out the villagers with pitch forks LOL
I think you forgot Millar for 400k... Scotland's top goal scorer! Bumped!
13 Sep 2011 14:33:45
Whyte insisted that he could have walked away from the deal to take over Rangers in May, but, even knowing the risks, chose to buy the debt-ridden club for £1. I thought I would walk away from the deal several times, he said. But Im a Rangers fan, I wanted to sort this mess out. Nobody else was stepping up to the plate to buy this club.
Im absolutely determined to sort out the issues that need to be sorted. I will always do the best for Rangers.
Quote from The Times. The full article is also fairly interesting.
I don't think his main objective is too see Rangers fail; this is real life not a Hollywood film
Graeme
13 Sep 2011 13:56:39
Craig Whyte says on the website he has "stepped up and paid" to clear the Lloyds debt.
What he hasn't said is that whether Rangers now owe him the £20+ Million, which I think is the case now. I may be wrong about it but I read on BBC that they have a worst case scenario if we do get hit with a massive tax liability, and I would imagine that leaving himself as a creditor to Rangers would mean he would get his money back before HMRC if we do get hit with a tax liability and go into administration, in the same way that former directors of Dundee, Portsmouth etc got their money back before HMRC did.
On another note, could someone tell me whether it's true that as long as you offer the person/company a way of repayment of a debt, under scots law they have to accept this, basically meaning that HMRC could not force us into administration? I'm pretty sure this is the case for people, but i'm not sure whether it would be for companies or if having the revenue involved stops this?
U may be correct my friend I had a situtation with my work were they had got me & my work mates tax codes wrong for ages, the jist of it was I owed my work £800 and I paid them back hee haw because I told them they were getting hee haw. I sat with a nice lady from hmrc in East Kilbride who told me if my work touched a penny of my wages without me telling them they could do it she would have can't remember the name of department on 2 them like a ton of bricks.After trying 2 negotiate with us for ages 1 friday they took £10 out of our wages 2 which we refused 2 work until we got the money back so they sent a wee baldy a**ehole of a manager round every1 with a bundle of £10 so we would go back 2 work,but some s**tebags in my work entered into an agreement with them and payed the money back at whatever they could afford each week a**eholes & by law the company had 2 accept this decision a used the money 2 get ma season ticket.
WATP 70
13 Sep 2011 13:34:52
celtic still in europe news will be 1500[bmt
13 Sep 2011 13:20:18
Martin Bain has a cheek asking for £1.3m
Craig Whyte today hit back at Martin Bains compensation claim against Rangers and said the axed chief executive had a cheek for even pursuing his unfair dismissal case.
Lets all get behind the team for this sunday
2-0 to the gers
Blue bells are blue
That bain must be needing a new sunbed, £1.3m he'll get a good few bulbs with that too! I thought he was meant to be a Rangers man like the rest of us? I would never take a penny out the the club I love even if they did owe me it. eric83
What would you do if you felt you'd been unfairly dismissed from your job, even if it was a company you loved. If you had been Martin Bain, would you just leave it, saying 'It's my team' or would you be thick enough to let your former employee treat you like that. Surely you would fight for what you were owed and your reputation?
13 Sep 2011 13:16:37
"Ive just written a s1million cheque for James Beattie. Thats money p****d away.
This is a very good reaction from Whyte about the latest dud Beattie. We need to be more careful of who we sign.
13 Sep 2011 12:28:14
I am going to win the Euro Millions tonight and buy Rangers FC from Mr Whyte, demolish the debt and create the greatest footballing youth establishment in the world.
Good luck mate were all behind you
Nah i'm going to win it and get absolutely hammered!
13 Sep 2011 11:15:07
Am happy that whyte sed tht we will be giving the youth a chance Murray park should be producing great talent we should send the scouts out too the likes of south America an Africa this is were man utd arsenal chelsea pick up their talented players it's about time we followed suit. Any1 else agree ? Also ed wots happening with the argentine is he defo on trial ? John gvnfr {Ed001's Note - unless I am being given duff information, he is definitely on trial, but I have not heard how he is getting on. Could do with someone going down and watching them train!}
Murry Park is not as good as we all think. The youth system should house the team and get them to all stay there to take them away from the temptations they will get in Glasgow, Edinburgh ect. That is what the big clubs do...
You may be forgetting that Durrant was in South America over the summer. It may be time to set him on his way because if he could not find any decent players there then what chance do we have??
13 Sep 2011 10:59:11
Source - Tribal Football - Good to see a response.
Rangers owner Craig Whyte has responded to comments made by Celtic chairman Peter Lawwell late in the summer transfer window.
Following reports that ‘Gers had knocked back a £9million bid for striker Nikica Jelavic, the Hoops chief came out and made a jibe at the Glasgow rivals, saying: "Last night we got a £29m offer for Gary Hooper, from an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe."
Last night, however, Whyte hit back at Celtic saying he thought they would have had more dignity than to make the kind of remarks as Lawwell did.
"I like to think I would be more dignified than to make jokes about what's happening on the other side of town and maybe they should be too,” he told SunSport.
"It was the timing of it which was bad. Had a bid come in earlier in the transfer window — allowing us time to go and bring a replacement in — then it might have been a different decision.
"The fact it came so late, on the last day when there was no chance of bringing someone else in, made it a non-starter.
"It's not an area where the manager has lots of players.
"That's why it would have been impossible to do it. Clearly if we get high bids in for players we'll look at them.
"If we've got a business decision to make then we'll make it.
"The reaction to the Jelavic bid showed me we can't do anything right in some people's eyes. Even something positive — like us keeping one of our best players — was turned into a negative. All we can do is get on with running the club and make the decisions we need to make.
"Maybe then we'll be judged in the long term.
"There will be some short term decisions which will be difficult, but over the long term I believe we'll come out stronger."
13 Sep 2011 10:49:33
Is anyone bothered by the amount of corners we waste? That was at least 12 on sat again, be aswell going to switch the kettle on when we take 1, I think its shockin walter smith or ally havnt signed a decent deadball players, any thts?
Saw on an article that this Argentinian was a 'deadball specialist'... though i doubt anyone knows for sure about the lad. Muzz
13 Sep 2011 09:53:53
Can I just ask all the Rangers fans on here, do they trust Mr Whyte?
Looking at it from a Celtic fan's point of view he just seems to think all the gers fans will go along with anything compared to TSB times, but has he got the money to run your club?
For a so called "billionaire" he seems very short of money, why?, where is all this warchest? and why is he saying there will be a £10m shortfall and tough times ahead, when he has supposedly paid all the debts? Rangers fans start asking questions or your club will die. Neil T
Just a wee point to you neil.ask youselfs this? WHY ARE YOU'S ALWAYS SECOND.
No 2 people are going to be the same, so do you expect a few replies to be representative of 'all' Rangers fans. I have always said, give him a chance. Like McCoist should be given a choice. If Rangers can keep team together, get thorugh whatever financial problems come, they will have more than enough to win the league again.
13 Sep 2011 09:37:36
Team for Sunday:
McGregor
Whittaker
Goian
Carlos
Papac
Naismith
Edu
Davis
Broadfoot (Holding midfielder, done a job during CL last year)
Wallace
Jelavic
Know its not very attacking but this is what I think Ally might play, not exactly what i want to see myself.
I'd play:
McGregor
Whittaker
Goian
Carlos
Papac (more experience than Wallacew and can always rely on him)
Bedoya (if fit)
Davis
Naismith
McKay (ok only played 15mins but looked fast and tricky)
Lafferty
Jelavic
Mon the Gers
Bazza Bear
Don't be stupid if anyones playing the holding midfield role it will be mcculloch no broadfoot
You don't have a clue as Broadfoot did not play a holding role for rangers ever last season. In fact he was out injured for pretty much the entire season last year
13 Sep 2011 09:13:57
Good day fellow bears.
Come on we Loyal band, everyone stop listening to the whisperings of the deranged ones, its not hard to work out that a campaign of disruption is afoot, and the news papers are in on it as well, thats the price of gutter news, nothing better to report, example, Gary Hooper who they kidding, the man Us and the like never gave him a second look, they are indeed scum of the earth, the lowest form of life, you know the type them from the dark side.
I do honestly believe that Mr Whyte has the interest of the club at heart, it is indeed the case that he has been handed the legacy from past glorious days, what price I ask myself, (are we now having to pay the price for the Murry glory days)! however taken our present standing with the tax man look at our club, on top are we not, the tic are obviously worried, we will be bigger and better as we once were, the world famous Glasgow Rangers, so lets let the money boys worry about the money and get behind the wee man and the team, four in a row, more over dump the tic and go 4 points clear and all before Chrimbo, god its great being a bear.
4 points clear , deducted 15points more like
13 Sep 2011 08:55:55
Alright bears. There is no point speculating as to what is going to happen if we lose the tax case because we cant affect that outcome one bit. What we can do is get right behind the lads on Sunday and let the team know and McCoist that they have our backing. We will all see in the coming months what happens with the Tax Case but for now lets just concentrate on backing the team. STEP UP AND PLAY.
Billyboy1
Couldnt agree more bud, hope the rest of the fans at ibrox on sunday follow the lead of the blue order and union bears, will be some atmosphere! lets have it !....
Too right buddy it's only tuesday an am already buzzing hope the roof (metaphorically) comes off!! WATP
13 Sep 2011 08:33:57
Well Whyte has just confirmed what many of us thought. He is NOT a fool. He is a shrewd businessman who walked into Ibrox with his eyes open. His experts have told him the tax issue CAN be sorted but it obviously will take time.
The challenge for us is not to fall into Timothys trap ie the inside info showing "troubled times ahead"
Please please stop listening to that BS. No one but Whyte and his team and the HMRC know what is going to happen. Personally I don't think Whyte came here to kill us.....why would he?? I believe that this will be sorted and leave us as still the major force in Scottish football.
To all the Celtic supporters - maybe you guys need to be a bit more upset than us. What have you got after the past three years of terrible financial burden on your main (and only) rivals in the league?? ONE trophy!! Thats it!! How can you sleep knowing that was the best your team could do? As you walk into your sub-standard stadium to watch a team with two or three decent players, you must feel slightly angry at what your board of directors has achieved. Never mind though, at least they got you Lenny as the manager !!!!!!
Now jog on and think about your own team for a change!
Blue Knows
They cant, they know that the only chance they have of winning league is if Rangers get docked points due to admin. They know that if WE win league again- gets boring year after year- that they, as they are all 'neil lennon' will have to go and support his next club, when he gets the heave ho in May.It must be grim being a tim right enough.
Fair to say that after reading the diatribe you lot are communicating in, that indeed you are extremely worried about the outcome of HMRC. Not just Celtic would be glad to see the end of you lot. Have brought nothing but disgrace to the game and indeed Scotland but for years you have been protected. Welcome to the real football world where you as a club and support base are now being found out. HH
Now now lets not be bitter timothy. Neil Lennon has heaped every bit as much shame on the Scottish game as Rangers in recent times. Buts thats all in the past now. Isn't it?
What with your superior team/fanbase/owners/supporters you should have no trouble spanking us this weekend. .......
Oh aye, thats right, your team will choke as usual when push comes to shove. THATS the real shame of Scottish football - no decent opposition for the champions!
13 Sep 2011 08:27:31
Ed, I see you've made 10 new sites. Any chance you coud make another one for the doom and gloom crew that keep posting on this site?! Get a grip boys, let Whyte do his job and you do yours and SUPPORT THE TEAM!!!
13 Sep 2011 00:57:21
Hi ED I was wondering if you could tell me what would prob happen if rangers do go in to administration. Sorry if its a daft question lol {Ed001's Note - it is not a daft question, just a very difficult one to answer. There is no precedent to guide me in an answer. All anyone can do is hazard a guess as to the outcome. Plus there are a number of variables to make it even more difficult. I mean there are a number of outcomes, depending on if the club is in a position to make some kind of payment or not able to meet any kind of repayment schedule. The likeliest outcome is a points deduction and a long term struggle to get the club back onto its feet.}
Thanks very much {Ed001's Note - sorry I can't give a definitive answer, it is such a difficult situation right now.}
Yeah. I understand what you mean there are diffrent outcomes which can happen but also do you think that an agreement could be made between HRMC and rangers if the full 100% is to be paid other than a possible point deduction
If celtic fans come to ibrox as tax men we should all go and buy 3 winners medals. Every Rangers fan in Ibrox with 3 winners medals round their necks would be the greatest sight that i have ever seen!! The blue, blue, blue seas of Ibrox!! WATP
13 Sep 2011 00:12:06
Yes you are all Neil Lennon - second best as usual
Yes we are all Super Ally - top of the league, as usual
Not a rumour just fact, hope the dhimsdo come dressed as a tax man in their traditional Brittish attire, that will be a first
Dressed as tax man will be a step up from their usual attire will make a change from being tramps
13 Sep 2011 00:03:53
Team to play the Bheggers
McGregor
Whittaker
Goian
Bocanegra
Wallace
Naismith
Davis
McKay
Wylde
Lafferty
Jelavic
mon the Gers, into this shower!!
Mark WATP
Well said Mark, I'll say 3v 1 and Lafferty to rum amok wi' that Dhirty Dhozen !!
I would live this to be the team but unfortunately super ally will stick with edu instead of McKay. He may play McKay and adu but that means laff will miss out. I don't care who plays, I'll support every1 100%, whoever it it is, just as long as we get the correct result against the mhanky mob.
I say 2-0. Jelavic first goal, big man hasn't played well this season, this'll just kick start his season.
League by for Xmas(wishful thinking)
Is super ally we trust!
Sir Walter to be knighted at new year!
Haw
I think the team is more likely to be:
McGregor
Whittaker Goian Bocanegra Papac
McCulloch
Davis Edu
Naismith Lafferty
Jelavic
basically a 4-5-1 changing to a 4-3-3