Rangers Banter Archive September 13 2013

13 Sep 2013 21:08:38
Maris zaliukas will officially sign for rangers on monday on a 2 year contract, part of his wages is structured on actual playing time, my very good source tells me that zaliukas's wages are 2. 5k a week and the other 1. 5k a week is based on playing time, so his actual wages per week all being well is 4k a week, I rate zaliukas and think he's a terrific centre half and will in my opinion prove he'll be a very good signing for rangers, BIG RAM!

Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Now reduced to taking on "terrific" Zaliukas on a pay per play basis.
2. 5k for sitting on his backside and a wee 1. 5k bonus if he plays.
"Terrific" player, aye right!
Zaliukas is way down the list in terms of "terrific" players who, in past years, have donned the light blue jersey.

Ally has near enough a full team of expensive imports - the question is why do we need to load the the squad with middle ranking Premier league guys to win the third division?


The only scenario that makes sense is that he has a team capable of making up a points deduction of 15/25 points when the next Insolvency / Administration / Liquidation event happens.


Is this what is being planned for?

Is this what Ally has been allowed to recruit for?

@2 what about this scenario. We buy them on a free mould a good team from what we have add 1 or 2 along the way let a few go & hey presto 2 years down the line were challenging the top 3 of the SPFL?

Larky Bear

The problem with your rationale larky is that we only signed players nobody else wanted. can't see them having any value in a year or two. My opinion (and its only an opinion) is thst thr board is sanctioning signings that we can't afford so that we will have assets to sell when administrstion comes. But again their logic is flawed as we only have them because nobody else wanted them.

@4 look I don't think we're out the woods financially I understand where your coming from I've thought that myself. It's just how quickly you rule out that were actually creating a team capable of Challenging anyone in Scotland. Nicky Law is an absolute gem to get in on a Free Transfer so is John Daly but he's that wee bit older. How do you know McLeod, Mcausland, Peralta & Nicky Clark won't improve playing in this team & winning things then going on to command a fee?

Larky Bear

A "Wee Bit Older" he"s turned up to collect a good pension!

5)
What player has improved in a Rangers strip for the last few years

Also - where is the value from Murray Park.
Looks like we are in the process of flushing another generation down the pan.

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Nicky law would walk into any team in scotland including pacific shelf

Lennon could do with a good centre half he hasn't a clue about a stopper

Seriously what price do you think use would get selling any of your players from the 3rd tier of scotish football.
If nicky law could have walked in to the celtic team ahead of Brown (international) Ledley (international) kayal (international) commons ( retired international) Then we would have signed him your opinion of your players is to high for a 3rd tier team.
As for pacific shelf waha ha grasping at straws why never calm us it before now

13 Sep 2013 19:12:34
Simonsen joins gers till the end of the season with Gallagher away on loan to Airdrie, mitchell out on loan as well.

13 Sep 2013 17:37:43
So Ally says he's seen the bets and he's ok with it. Aye that's good enough for me eh, let's move on now Black will be back in a Rangers strip in 4 games time. F*CK OFF!

How anyone calling themselves a Rangers fan can come on here and stromach writing the sh*te i've just read on here is utterly beyond me. Ian Black was a wideo sc*mbag ned before he signed for Rangers and absolutely nothing has changed. Betting against his own team to win, trying to be the wee wide man, all the while risking a 7 and a half thousand pound a week contract is one of the most pathetic things I have ever known. The fact this d*ck has done it TWICE BEFORE at 2 of his other clubs just confirms to me that he must be doing it for the buzz of breaking the rules and being a wee clever ar5e ned. I am ashamed at the clubs stance over this, utterly ashamed. The precedent is now set, you can bet against your own team with the risk being a 3 game ban and a fine of a weeks wages. Let the fun and games commence. Decisions like these are the kind of thing that cheats (I'm not referring to Ian Black this time) thrive on. Talk about a can of worms. The SFA are the biggest bunch of illiterate incompetent clowns that walked the earth. Ian Black is the biggest person and reptile to play for Rangers football club and Ally McCoist and the rest of the plebs who made the decision to let this slide in the face of cast iron evidence and more importantly the players admittance of guilt makes them a bunch of spineless imbeciles aswell. Seriously, what would Bill Struth say today. Ian Black would have never got his foot in the door in Struth's time but I can assure you if by some unbelievable turn of events or blind luck he had done, his feet wouldn't have touched the floor on the way out today.

This farce has left me furious today and I honestly wonder what has become of my club when players can take liberties like this and get away with it.

Marbella Bear

Think you should calm it doon tae a riot!

Watch Ally commenting on the Black situation - might cool you down.

Read the sfa comments on black its not as bad as it looks

Where are the SFA comments?

13 Sep 2013 20:24:52
Ure use of words is scary m8, Reptiles, Cheats, imbeciles? jeezo, bit too strong, because you don't like Black doesn't make him a reptile,

He mite not be a reptile but the poster is perfectly rite no excuses

I can't believe, that after what has happened over the last two year's, there are still people who think what Black has done, is not too bad, UNBELIEVABLE.
Tam

@OP @ 6 I am with you both- no one bets to lose money. So to bet against your own team will ALWAYS bring into question your efficacy as a professional footballer. Someone with this tendency will not stop betting - you need to be clear about this. Bets will be placed for footballers with this addiction/tendency by others. What if this footballer is through on goal to draw level and misses a sitter? What if he scores an own goal to lose a game? Will there not from now onwards be suspicions about motive?

In reality the chap would be finished if he had a strong strait laced manager. Imagine what Jock Wallace would have done with this wee laddie if he had bet against big Jock's team?

I agree with OP. the use of certain words highlights his anger and frustration but the main point of his post is spot on. The SFA have shown themselves to be spineless as well as useless. The rules were put in place as agreed by all association members and, certainly in this case, should have been firmly applied to send a strong message to the rest. I also have to as the Manager about his silence in having a list of names but not revealing them? Why would that be when he has been vocal enough to demand names in the past. Betting against the team who pay your wages. disgusting, immoral and tantamount to treason (for want of a better analogy) TinyTim

14 Sep 2013 10:12:59
Wholeheartedly agree OP. Black, the SFA and McCoist have been a disgrace in all this. The proper reaction would've been to hammer Black and call McCoist's bluff for waving that bit of paper - if you have solid evidence as you say Ally then hand it over, otherwise you face charges of bringing the game into serioud disrepute. let's remember he said he had names of OFFICIALS who bet on games! Yet he's just allowed to that without any follow up. The whole episide is shameful. Any clown on here suggesting any different obviously isn't a paying fan.

@ 9 so u would agree SFA have shown leniency to a rangers player

14 Sep 2013 18:45:10
@10 Duh! This is @9 Of course they have, don't try and give yersel some kind of gold star for "catching me out". I was saying that outright numnuts. Shameful leniency shown to Black, and sickening ignoring of claims by McCoist that the entire game in scotland is riddled with corruption. As a paying fan I don't know how i'm supposed to simply ignore those claims any time in future when I see a dodgy decision. Give us the names Ally (didnt I hear that from you one time?) Or face up to your stupid lies aimed at protecting that tw#t black.

13 Sep 2013 14:59:43
BBC Website states - That Ally has saw ALL the bets that Black struck, and is happy with what he saw, and will stand by Black and select him for future games.

Ally has stated that the matter has been dealt with internally and has asked ALL to move on.

I for one am moving - enough for me.

I wonder who might start shouting from the rooftops about it, conspiracy, cover up, what about neil lennon's ban, any bets (excuse the pun) matter closed for me, good performance tomorrow by ally's choice of team, with a few goals into the bargain and I'll be happy PB

A former player ( not old firm) worked for me in the 90s. He regularly but bets on against his own team to get beat. He was also addicted to gambling and said then that this was widespread.
Just my opinion here but I reckon the SFA new and knows it goes on. They can hide behind rules and try and get away with there neglect of duties. The company I work for know take a social and moral responsibility on addiction and actually help and assist staff.
OCRanger

13 Sep 2013 17:30:34
Since when has Black been an "addict"? I'd never heard that before yesterday. Neither had anyone else. It's been made up.

We have all heard about neil lennons ban, let's get it straight it was not for the one off people are now trying to say, it was an accumation.

14 Sep 2013 10:01:31
Maybe ally was throwing a few bets down against rangers aswell so doesn't have a problem with black doing it. Would you put it past him. Be honest now. The guy is taking a million a year out of a club he professes to love even though he knows the finances aren't great. what's morally more corrupt assisting in bleeding dry the cash cow that is rangers or betting against a team that's playing piss poor football that you honestly know you are inept at managing.

Benedict

13 Sep 2013 11:31:28
To all the people working on the 'anti Rangers' conspiracy theories with regard to the 'bookie who grassed':

With Blacks apparently well publicised problems (can't say I knew)
Has anyone considered that the bookie might have been trying to do Black a favour by sticking him in? Forcing him into a situation where he has to get help.

After all, why would a bookie not want to take someones money?

13 Sep 2013 13:25:05
Ian Black is not the big story.

The big story is that Jim McColl, a close friend of Walter Smith and one of Scotland's most successful businessmen, warned over a month ago that there was 36 days to save Rangers. This time next week that time will be up and with Frank Blin now no longer in the picture the odds on saving Rangers have shot up.

Well done Media House on helping to largely bury the real news.

The Salmon Leap Bear

Do him a favour by sticking him in! I think having a wee word in his ear warning him first, but sticking him in is hardly doing him (or the club) a favour.

BB) - ALL bookmakers are due to report on players who place bets. It is is their agreement with the SFA.

13 Sep 2013 15:50:56
1. I would guess that the McColl faction have realised that they probably couldn't beat the Spiv faction in any vote but will be back in the future after the Spivs have gone - taking everything they can get their greedy hands on before doing so.

I'm not expecting fully audited accounts any time soon and have a bad feeling that something very bad that will dwarf Ian Black's idiocy is on the cards at Ibrox in the near future.

Apologies to the hand in the sand cheerleaders.

@1+4 I quite agree on what you both are saying and I think the fans and supporters had better batten down the hatches as I think that there is a real chit storm approaching, in my opinion we will not see true accounts all we will be privy to seeing is diluted garbage and watered down drivel, the fans are going to be fed dribs and drabs for as long as it takes these spivs to milk us dry of anything and everything, won`t suprise me if they haven`t already got a buyer for all our silverware in the trophy room.

1, 4 & 5) - Do you know that an AGM is imminent, and at that AGM shareholders can select, elect and remove whomever they like.

Time too cut Ian Black some slack after all he did sign with us when all the Badge Kissers done a runner, too many Rangers fans bad mouthed the guy last season again it takes 11 players in a team not one man, ffs the guy put bets on he didn't kill anybody who is too say that the guy isn't an addict too betting, so all true Rangers fans should get behind him, we have enough s*** going on at the club.

@7: he signed as no-one else wanted him and Rangers offered him more money per week that he'll probably ever get.

13 Sep 2013 08:36:08
Re: Ian Black?

Would you sack an alcoholic or help him?

Would you put your hand out to help a gambler with an addiction?

Too many people jumping on the Ian Black bandwagon - the worst I have heard is for Rangers to gain out of his affliction.

Very sad times.

So we sack a gulibile Spanish lad for being "stupid" with no counciling or help in any shape or form? but now change our stance to help another. I agree both needed help but thsi is a blatant case of double standards and Mr Mcoist knows it. Honesty and integrity I think he said, Black was niether (until caught) or he would have been talking about his problem sooner.

I knew about Blacks problems before he joined. I presumed most football pundits new.

Everyone is allowed a second chance. Black has been punished. Should we punish people twice, now!

TB

Sandaza was not afflicted.

Ian Black has a problem - Rangers will help him.

How many times should one man be punished?

Does anyone know how his bets were placed? Surely he didn't just stroll into a bookies? I mean there must be loads of them doing it. The obvious way is too set up an online account in a friend/family or partners name or find someone running a book it's not rocket science the guy is clearly not very bright. I don't think he has a gambling addiction I think he's a greedy bas I mean betting against your own team it's all well & good saying but we won the game or he scored in it, think about it we were playing third division opponents he was probably getting about 3 or 4/1 betting a Rangers loss or a draw as the odds were stacked heavily I'm our favour that way he can't lose because if we win the game hel be getting a nice win bonus I've no doubt.

Larky Bear

@4 it was telephone bets

13 Sep 2013 12:23:03
Why is everyone saying Black "has a problem". He pleaded guilty - there was no defence put forward about being an addict. He's just a tool.

Trueblue affliction means suffering, yes? doesn't mean diseased etc so as I stated earlier Sandaza's affliction/suffering was down to him being non street wise in the sense of Glasgow piss takers. Agreed alchol etc issues should be dealt with in different manner but also so should the uneducated and un-informed. Sandaza's punishment? sacked? no second chances, nothing Blacks punishment a weeks wages? because I take it he will still be getting paid for the games he banned? although pardon the pun I wouldn't bet on it. :)also think the powers that be should have made him go to some form of counciling which I seem to not seen anyone mentioning? strange.

7. ) Why should we be privy to what help Black is getting? That would be private, I would think.

The Sandaza situation is totally different. He stated that he only went to Rangers for the money and inferred that he did not really want to play for them. So as far as I can see, he really doesn't now.

It would seem that celtic supporters are totally over the top about this. On Real Radio last 99% of the calls were from celtic supporters. Not one mentioned the Champions League.
Quite paranoid!

All and sundry keep going on about how Black was fined and banned. Does anyone know what the rules are regarding punishment. Doesn't matter what the fines are in England.

Celtic fans won't talk about the cl because theyr going to get a thrashing

I am waiting for Paddy Power to reply to a request for prices on Rangers to win all remaining league games and celtic to lose all Champions League games.

Any takers?

@10 why would rangers win all league games.? to set record.

Once Jan passes, league will be won, nothing to play for. except avoiding 25pt penalty for 2nd admin?

silly bet. from Mar on ally will play youngsters and trialist, so games will be trials not for points

> 10? Did Ally tell you that on the QT?

Really glad you told me that, phew!

13 Sep 2013 20:35:32
@1 I don't quite think your grasping what sandaza did m8, he was guilty of gross misconduct, what are you talking about "gullible" he wanted more money, and you haven't understood the fact it didn't matter if he was taken in by a taxi driver or the pope, he tried to organise a new contract behind the clubs back, he also signed a legally binding contract with rangers which was strictly confidential, you don't understand m8 so don't post about it please
tommyblue

@13: and betting against your own eam winning isn't a form of misconduct? How would you feel if you were one of Black's teammates?

13 Sep 2013 23:17:52
@13 tapping up is part of football most of it controlled by greedy agents. if you don't think it goes on your mad. its common knowledge. sandaza got caught out on a prank call

@ 8 pull your heed out the sand the black story is the big topic just now that's why every1 is talking about it.
When champions league is on wee talk about that so do the rangers fans.
After kazagrandy it was were lucky, brown should have been sent off and the usual lennons a disgrace.

True Blue - make yur bet but if ally allowing playings to bet rangers draw - you and all punters loose


its a rigged game, not fair bet.

odds don't matter if players on pitch are not playing for the badge, but thier coupons

14 Sep 2013 19:15:03
@13 and 14, again I will say, your not grasping the pont chaps, nobody said anything about black in my post I simply said sandaza had broken his contract bigtime, don't u get it, no matter what Black did has no bearing whatsoever on sandazas case, i'm a union rep, if I went into every disciplinary bringing up someone elses case I wouldn't be in there long, now do you get it?
Tommyblue

Tommyblue the point for us common folk is ye can't b shown to have 1 rule for some and 1 rule for others