Rangers Banter Archive December 14 2013

 

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14 Dec 2013 21:53:23
It is pretty obvious that Stockbridge is going to take the hit & be the fall guy for the rest of the spiv board. He will go at the AGM (probably with a huge brown envelope in his back pocket). This will appease the majority of the gers fans as public enemy number 1 has gone. However, we will still be left with the true architects of the Rangers downfall. Stockbridge must go, but so must the rest of them. Please gers fans, do not compromise. Also, just because a guy worked for Man City in the past does not make him credible.

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Hear Mr Dingwall has resigned.

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{Ed039's Note - I dont think he has, he has been asked to resign but hasnt yet as far as I am aware)

Op be more specific, who would be left on that board that was the true architect of our downfall, paul Murray? Malcolm Murray? Who

JG

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Who is the fellow architechs that are left if Stockbridge goes?

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Eurowoogle you seem a new poster on here but if you are prepared to look at the current board as a 'new' board and that the current board are all people that are recognised business men, some already lost a lot of their own money and they are not APART from Stockbridge in this for the asset strip the previous crew were.

You need to stop and realise at some point not EVERY person is a crook.

I do do trust Somer and hate Stockbridge but Wallace and Easdale with possibly one other Chrichton is the semblance of a board with 3 from requisitioners

We need stability and now.

george

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JG this is a board of puppets, with masters elsewhere. always was.

clean sweep could help, but investment and a through review then needed.

we need to be squeky clean to get back in europe at first op, and cheques to directors mums from unknown sources. won't play well in our defense, and why would whyte/green/imhran do this. still too much zues/octupus/ticketus and scams n the mix. you ramped the ipo and now we heading for 30p and the unlock period. with 2% daily drops.

easdale says fans could deal fatal blow, b*******, fans only ones to dig into thier pockets!!

fell ally and fans have 8% which may swing things. let's hope

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George, totally agree with you, we need stability and we need it now. After the AGM we have to realise that the democratic process has run its coarse and which ever way it goes that we all have to get back to supporting our team, manager AND board its all we can do, the shareholders will have spoken.

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Geo how is the mi5 investigation going? Stockbridge is still walking the streets!

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@5 RIFC have made numerous regulatory announcements regarding the disposal and acquisition of shares, that included Ahmed and greens shares being disposed of and acquired by others, it's all there on lse or club website

@6 after the AGM we will have half year interims, should be issued early march, that will be an indication if we have turned the corner - or not!

JG

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Should have read I do NOT trust Somer

That aside I think AGM should be the end of bickering if Stockbridge goes.

I actually can't understand people not giving Easdale a chance. What happened to if you have done your time and giving people a 2nd chance? One brother of two served time over a decade ago and is now a successful businessman plus importantly he is a real Rangers fan and already put £1.5m of his money into our club.

I think we have to go with the board after AGM and try to get investors wanting to put money into our club, we will need that to see us through this season.

Over the summer is possibly the time to iron out any final issues with the boardroom set up.

RTID george

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I do agree George that stability is needed, however in light of everything that has happened everyone must be treated with a degree of suspicion. Why did the Easdale's hold their council so long? Fans just want some clear, spin free answers.

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Were I in the Easdales' position I would call it making my actions speak first and my words later, a lesson the McColl and PM group could aspire to.

A while back I would have said better to remain quite and be thought a fool rather than talk and remove all doubt, but to my surprise and I am sure to the surprise of McColl/PM the Easdales are not just an ugly face!

Ask yourself this being truthful with yourself as a Rangers fan, when you weigh up the way the Easdales have conducted getting to be the power brokers at Ibrox is a damn sight shrewder than the requisitioners.

Had they been prepared to invest some money to buy a decent percentage of shares it would have given them a far stronger case to present to the AGM, Keiron Prior has laid out more than all of 4 of them on his own and looks to be increasing that stake in the near future.

That is what people do that REALLY want to be a part of the boardroom and a part in Rangers future.

It is how business works

george

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Johncass

From what I have read and heard the fraud investigation into Stockbridge is ongoing that's all I know

When it came out that he had been caught arranging a payment of £300k to a company for services provided and the accusation by the female that reported this was that they had not in fact provided any services. you would think logically that would lead to charges.

Sadly in the murky world of business dealings it only requires that the company/person concerned backs up Stockbridge's claim and I would suggest possibly produce paperwork to cover that and you can see it becomes difficult for the authorities to prove.

Fraud trials are rarely successful for that exact reason the complex nature of mountains of paperwork to go through and to do in a way the PF thinks a case can be made and also that it is simple enough for a jury to understand.

My original thoughts on the Rangers fraud was CW out and out fraud no intention of paying any bills or the taxman. I then thought this was being followed by another fraud on same lines but bigger. I was wrong on the second one purely on the way it has been implemented so as to be improper and disgraceful financial mismanagement but done in a clever way so as to avoid being seen as fraud

For example

CW blatantly transfers £250k to his pal Aiden Earley for what possible gain other than money laundering and selling Jelavic just before Admin and that money too disappeared out our bank. Millions missing unaccounted for in CW scam. I hope he does get charged

The second stage CG in charge they have laid out the millions in huge wages huge bonuses and inexplicably huge payments to consultants doing work on their behalf. The £6.5million fee for IPO Allys wages. Hotel jaunts at £50k a go 50 miles down the road. Then finally to empty the bank severance packages to ALL concerned and 1p share sales to ALL concerned.

My mistake was labelling that a long firm when it is actually a professional asset strip within the bounds of the law but plain as day to anyone that cares to check the figures tens of millions taken again out Rangers share money and off the season ticket paying fans.

It is impossible to take that to court as the only thing to define it as fraud would be "INTENT", that is they would have to admit they planned exactly that from the outset or police would have to prove intent from outset NEITHER will happen I feel due to the people involved in this, the Castle and Chateau owning businessmen that did this are PROFESSIONALS they do this as a means to earn their living they care nothing of whomever gets in their way. Just count up the total amount of businesses that have gone into liquidation involving CW, CG, Mather, Stockbridge and Ahmad. well in excess of 100 businesses. coincidence? I do not believe in coincidence.

Anyway done with all that the last of the asset striping persons left is Stockbridge let's hope he pays back the £200k before he is voted off!

We have to move on after AGM

george

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{Ed039's Note - do you sleep George?)

@12 George, it has taken you a long time but I think you finally got it now mate,
now you finally see how the original consortium that invested have realised their return on their investment, they had a short term plan,
buy the assets, float the company, pay themselves huge wages and bonus for as long as they could get away with it, sell their shares and get out before the 1st agm,
all very ruthless business practice but just on the right side of the law
thats all in the past and we should be thankful that we are still here after all that has gone on in the last two years
Anyone who cannot see the changes over the last 6 to 8 months as green and co have left one by one, just don't want to see them

JG

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A difficult choice to be made on
Thursday do you vote for the previous board members, can they get it right this time, or do you go with present board. I would say Brian Stockbridge must go, too much flak would follow even for current board, the person not mentioned much in all this is James Easdale, also involved with club and company chairman of Arranglen LTD, a very successful firm by all accounts, but this is a real estate company buying and leasing back properties, could this be the reason he is involved, also noticed Sandy Easdale has set up Sportco LTD in August from their Greenock base, very competent business family, but so was CG.
AJM.

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You noticed

Not very well since I saw CW in the Rangers boardroom Ed

maybe after the AGM

george

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N13 I thought people could only sell there shares legally on the 18th this month tomorrow

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14 Dec 2013 20:14:05
Fellow bears,
I have just had the chance to watch the easdale interview on the web and I think although he was reasonably comfortable with some of the questions, I think overall the interview showed him in a poor light and exposed his weaknesses with some direct questions specifically about the investors of BPH and marghareta holdings and where the IPO cash went?

I think most fans know the IPO cash was squandered in an outrageous manner and at this moment and time there is no clarity on where the cash has gone? The one of payments that keep getting referred about don't add up to the whole amount "missing" as there is also other incomes that have been fried they have also "forgotten" about the extremely high IPO costs why? And also the mysterious £5. 7M that was written off from the IPO cash?

His continual support of Stockbridge weakens his position and undermines the whole consolidation of the the "incumbents"

This guy "must" be removed as a matter of urgency as his continual employment as the financial director gives no credence to anybody at the club, why they allow his continual involvement is a mystery, also why has toxic jack not apologised for his slur on john Greig? Yet this so called board allow his interference in all things rangers, an absolute disgrace.

There was a fair mention of Chris Morgan? Is he related to Iain Morgan who continues to be heavily involved with rangers on a daily basis yet nobody know anything about him? Very strange as he also had an office in the UAE where a lot of the IPO cash apparently went!

Maybe we will get transparency and answers we can only hope at the AGM their is plenty of questions asked

The new chairman has shown his colours and I don't think he can be trusted as he looks like a plant from green and co, the CEO looks credible and may be good for the board.

Remember as long as Stockbridge is involved green and Ahmed will be involved in the background that is for sure!

RR

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RR easdales have spent mininumto get controlling share control, odd that, and not addressed money issues with serious investment. so they don't look real deal. but fall guys.

fear a whyte christmasid coming, green with envy

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@1 I missed something, please tell me when did sandy easdale obtain 51% which is what is required for controlling share? There was me thinking he owned about 4. 5% and had voting rights for another 20 odd %

JG

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14 Dec 2013 15:00:01
from this mornings daily record and most media outlets that would listen to him
Mr Easdale quotes

"But Sandy claimed the "credible" board that has been assembled will win over the fans in the end. "

why should they have to win us over if they have been legit in the past?

He said: "The fans are being made to believe stories, they have been brainwashed by information with a spin or a slant on it.

I and lots of other rangers fans are not being brainwashed we can see perfectly clear what has been happening with our club thank you very much, is irvine not putting in the spin and brainwashing, fool.

this is a good one.

"But Sandy claims Stockbridge has been the victim of unfair treatment. " Really

He added: "Brian has been singled out but we have no reason to believe he is not the right man for the job. again Really

"He is paying back a £200,000 bonus he received but Brian took that decision months ago and chose not to reveal it at the time. "

then why so long to pay it back fool. he took it quick enough when the dough was still in the oven.

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Jammyd why take your quotes from the record, why not watch the full interview it's on the net

JG

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Maybe he should give it to the gang of four and then we may be shocked by one of them wiling to invest.

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14 Dec 2013 05:05:59
I don't know how many bears have ever listened to anything either of the Easdales have said? I hadn't till this morning.

Went on STV site and listened to the Sandy Easdale interview and I have to say the guy really impressed me. He is comfortable with the camera and seems reasonably thoughtful. He certainly is less petty than the likes of PM.

He answered virtually all, including some pretty difficult questions regarding our finances and the actions of past and the current board.

I am not saying he is the answer but the guy has put his own money in, has lost money, is definately a fan and he is clearly quite a good businessman.

He impressed me.

If after the AGM they can resolve our financial losses and they can get some major investment I do not feel worried having him on the board.

If anything he seems open to others joining the board that can contribute. I would hope that AFTER the AGM this could mean that Mr King could be brought on board.

I have been moving towards a compromise board myself recently. From the current board;

Wallace, Easdale and Somer/Chrichton

From new proposed;

Murdoch and Wilson with possible olive branch offered to Mr King instead of PM, I cannot see PM's past and the conflict with current board helping his chances. The same applies to M Murray. Easdales argument that MM was the Chairman of the board during the financial mismanagement is a fair and strong one.

Overall the guy comes over as calm, intelligent and defiately a fan putting his money in not for profit but love of club. Something I lament that Mr McColl and Co have not appeared to learn from.

I would have more faith in them if they were putting their own money in, for me it is a no brainer if you really care about Rangers FC

What do my fellow bears think? Have any of you watched this interview?

george

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George are you feeling ok this post is actually quite good and senseable. No name calling no crazy accusations just a straight forward post looking at things logically lol. Yes I must agree with you quite like easdales don't want mcoll or the murrays as they don't want to invest there own cash. But definitely would like to see king on the board. George with a post like this I can almost forget all your crazy rants. Now all you need to do is confess your love for ally and all is forgiving lol come on George you can do it.

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I really don't think the people in power want Dave King on board at all and I can't see any of the gang of 4 getting on the board. Haven't seen the interview yet so can't comment but I think that Stockbridge may be the only casualty at the AGM

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As you say George he handled interview well, thing that got me, when asked if certain people were still involved with the club he said they were no longer involved in the running of the club why not say no longer involved full stop
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George, have you had a bang on the head? Hope you are ok
Seriously, you seem to have had a change in your attitude lately and it is a good change,
We all need to look for the positives in our current situation and there are many
After the AGM we need to look forward, not back
I still think WATP and we always will be, now bring on the stenhousemuir and the next step on our journey

JG

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I have had a look at the clip and to be honest Mr Easdale does not inspire me as someone who has control of ~27% of Rangers voting rights. We should ask ourselves why Blue Pitch Holdings and Margiureta are effectively using this guy as their puppet. There must be some arrangement between them which is not currently transparent. Why

These institutional investers are asking a guy whose main business returns a profit of £500k PA to be their spokesmen. A piece of the story is missing and there was no inclination to be upfront in the interview.

I would give Mr Easdale the respect of having his say as he has invested his families or his companies money in something that is not currently investable. The quick buck opportunity has passed and all of the IPO investers have been sold a pup.

Like George, I think the reality is that post AGM the board will be a combination of the current board and Requisitioners which is inevitable.

As long as Stockbridge is removed I would accept a board of

Wallace CEO (and Interim Chairman)
Chrichton
Easdale
P Murray
Murdoch
Wilson

After the AGM ask Dave King to join the board as Chairman

If Stockbridge survives and none of the requisitioners get on then it is down to the fans again after this to force change or we will be revisiting recent history in the near future

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Are you serious George? What has happened to your resolve. It wasn't exactly a Paxman interview was it. Easedale's association with those who have shafted the club, their own paltry investment, & their silence until now should be a cause for concern. Please can we stop jumping on any passing bandwagon just because ot is fronted by a semi literate "gers man". Enough is enough. Get them all out. P. s McCoist hedging his bets again. Has this guy no shame. Ew

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I have said before Stockbridge has to walk to give the board any crediblity a question mark must remain over Somers but I could live with the rest of the board for the next six months to see what they can deliver but still be hoping someone the fans can trust be put in place as an overseer.

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George
im sorry but don't want any of the pass the parcel brigade at the club, were you watching the same interview george

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@5 totally agree with your post. Mr Easdale did not impress me in the slightest. How people could not be concerned at the significant pauses when he asked about the continued influence of Green and Ahmed. He completely lacked any gravitas or presence. I cannot disagree with the make up of your board either. Looks a good compromise and although I know nothing about Mr Murdoch or Mr Wilson 3 "new" directors should ensure the transparency and clarity the majority of fans seek and after forensic examination by Mr Blin or his equivalent then the doubters like us will have to shut up and fully support the board and the club if nothing amiss is uncovered.

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14 Dec 2013 15:23:32
not one person inside ibrox doing an interview could say they can put their mortgage on whyte, green, ahmed or any other shady barsteward not having anything to do with rangers, easdales may say they don't have anything to do with the " day to day running of the club". what about the future of the club?
why does mr big easdale wait till now 5 days before the agm to come out and speak?
these 2 guys could not wait to get on tv when they first got shares, they even had the brass neck to do a tv interview on the back of one of their bussess lol, 2 rubbish talking puppets being told when and not when to speak
this is my opinion and my opinion only these 2 guys are from a very crooked background and the way they monopolies the transport of the good people of greenock is disgusting nothing short of extortion in my opinion,
i will never trust them
who brought them to the table, MR C FKN GREEN

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When will anyone ask the question who is behind Blue Pitch & Margarita Holdings? Is everyone on here so gullible that when one of the Bus brothers finally speaks out, you forget he only did the interview because it is the AGM this week.

What investors voting rights does he control? Who owns those shares?. silence

Classic " tugging at the heart strings" of Rangers fans. Claiming the Club could go under if we don't buy ST, merchandise & hospitality.

What Easdale really means is that if the fans don't continue to empty their pockets, then the SPIVS and Ally will have to get off the gravy train.

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14 Dec 2013 16:57:28
Agree about Paul and Malcolm Murray.

And while I'm at it, can anybody tell me why MM can't reveal who is behind Blue Pitch and Margarita?

Are we actually supposed to believe he doesn't know?

As for Ally's latest words on the AGM, well he really does beggar belief, bet he won't reveal where his vote goes until afterwards when he tells the press he voted for whoever wins.

Thought you liked transparency Ally?

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To all people that responded;

I have not changed my view at all but people have to understand that we need unity in the boardroom and seriously sick of people with either no money or not prepared to invest money in shares.

When and I do think it will be when, Stockbridge is removed there HAS to be a period where the boardroom stabilises, if there isn't I honestly do feel it is as big a risk to our chances of financial rescue than anything.

I am still worried about the losses we have made impacting on us this season, but honestly after Admin 1 I think my mistake was to underetimate the depth of love for our club and having been I think more or less conned into Admin by CW, people were so shocked at everything going down so quickly there was no time for a unified saviour package, obviously the Duff and Phelps blocking of any other bids did not help. I feel if we do hit rock bottom financially between now and April there will be a much larger financial response to avoid a 2nd Admin, this is MUCH more likely to happen if the boardroom has reached a balanced compromise. I honestly feel with the right balance of 2 groups of 3 that Mr King would himself come on board as Chairman and I think purely for his financial backing and business knowledge.

I am sick of arguing over it must be black or white, I think the SoS and Craig have done brilliantly uniting the fans and in effect having the crooks on the board removed plus forcing this AGM and vote. But the call for complete removal of one faction to be replaced by another is NOT the answer. More and more I am personally convinced that the board should be a democracy, this representing ALL factions of the Rangers support, from SoS side to the current board's supporters.

It is the ONLY way forward.

If they can find their way to electing a Fans United Group representative being on a future board I honestly do not see a better way forward.

Think about this bears.

Had we had a completely democratic board in place in the era of Mr Murray there is no way CW would have gained control. There were too many discenters on the board Johnstone, Bain and P Murray WARNING against this.

A single owner of Rangers should NEVER ever happen again as it leaves us open to the sort of excesses that SDM saddled us with and the sale of our Club to a stupid person conman like CW.

So yes I am tempering my views, but if you cannot bend in your opinion, if you cannot listen to others and sometimes learn and admit you are wrong then there is no point in forums for discussion/banter, is there?

I really hope that the AGM gets rid of those needed gone and a few elected that bring all sides of our fans together.

My favourite team, outside Gers, since I was in twenties was Cruyffs Barcelona. I have been a member of Barca for about 10 years. Theirs' is the model we need to copy. Hundreds thousands 'members' pay a fee every year and the board is elected democratically.

It isn't a board of factions it is a board united in wanting the best for Barca AND its fans. That is what we want really to come from all this in fighting.

Any opinions?

george

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OP and 13 I am still surprised at your post remember some of Easdales proxy votes are for Blue Pitch and Margarita Holdings who involve a man currently wanted by Interpol (no not Craig Shyte)
You weren't watching the same interview as I was. According to Easdale he speaks daily or weekly to these rich men I wonder if Interpol know? Further from the ethos and standards of Mr Struth these people counldn't be. If the shareholders vote for him and Stockbridge we are stuck with him but we are far from being cleansed.

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George, can't believe your change of thought, you have been telling us for long enough now, that everyone of the board must go, and the people behind the board as well, what's changed? NOTHING, Easdales are scum, get rid of the lot of them in one swoop, now is the chance, I hope we put paul murrays group in and then go into admin 2, get a CVA going king or mccoll will buy rangers, and the behind the scenes will get there just reward, getting 1 pence for there shares, McCoist included, now that's my xmas wish, anything else in my eyes is another failure

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{Ed039's Note - you wish for administration? Are you mental?)

@15

You may have something there with the admin idea. Not saying I would like it, but it could be the ONLY way to clear out the crooks. Of course, there is no guarantee that it would be a transparent process, the last one certainly was not. There is also no guarantee that the RIGHT people would gain control. Still got a long way to go yet.

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I've been on about crooks out

Green Mather Ahmad and Stockbridge next IS crooks out

What is it you see wrong with Wallace even Jim McColl states he is the real deal. Easdale has put £1.5million of his OWN cash in not seasons or borrwed from ticketus or fro 'mystery' investors. That money is currently 50% down the drain, what more can he do to show he is a genuine Rangers man.

People need to realise that Rangers need a stable board with a BALANCE between what ALL the fans want. A lot of our support do not trust PM group and certainly them putting ZERO cash in makes their point a fair one.

A new balanced board AFTER the AGM is I think the short term future to give us stability to get investors interested in us, currently no one in their right mind would invest in Rangers

george

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Spivs out your way of thinking truly is sad. You wish for a second admin are you crazy. That would mean getting rid of the best players that mcoist has brought in over the last two years leaving us pretty much where we were two years ago yeah real good idea. Never mind the shame it would bring on our club again. Once was hard enough to bare never mind going through it again. And who is to say anyone would buy they weren't exactly lining up the last time.

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14 Dec 2013 02:18:58
Something I will ask bears about the quality of our squad and the opinion many people have that we are paying too high wages for too high a quality player for Div 3 effectively.

Now, I have been thinking about this a lot recently.

IF and I say if with hope, we can avoid a 2nd admin and if also we receive some form of secure financial backing after the AGM and new shape to the board. Then maybe I can begin to think that this maybe a positive investment longterm.

My thinking is, in my life time there have been two teams that have done 9 in a row, the first one was hell for me and the second was heaven.

I do not want to see another one for tims in my lifetime and more than that I never want to see 10 in a row for them. I'd be 70 before we could ever beat that lafs!

If we proceed as expected to SPFL in 2 seasons time Celtic will already be going for 5 in a row. I hope that with the level of player we currently have, at least 8 are SPFL level if not possibly up to 11. Add to that 3/4 signing windows to strengthen the squad further. Okay I am sure we will be tight for cash but with our support and 45000 every game minimum, a reasonable financial structure in place with I hope a balanced boardroom, we can match Celtic in wages if not signings. Throw in the fact that every game will be a cup tie for US every game from 1st game back to the end of the season will be played with a desire derived from the 4 years exclusion from the top, revenge mindset of the players and the atmosphere the fans will create. Can you imagine the level of excitement in our support and possibly tims too?

What I an saying is that maybe IF we survive financially and balance the books I think the level of players we have, plus us having 2 seasons to gel with possibly 5/6 quality additions we will compete for sure, (you think when we are back in SPFL any top young players playing for Aberdeen/Dundee Utd/Motherwell/Inverness etc would turn down an SPFL Rangers? No chance)
Euro Bosman signings will be an option too and please god we have a scouting system by 2016?

So bears what do you think, I think it is worth the spending alone to stop Celtic winning 10 in a row and we will have 5 chances to do that.

george

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Op I think as you say we will have a few new good signings when we get back to top league I also think most good young rangers supporters playing in scoland will jump at the chance to hopefully win top league with rangers imagine being a rangers player winning top league with us phew cause let's face it we will be most likely team to stop there run imo heres hoping eh

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The biggest problem is financial, the next 2 or 3 years Celtic will make 60 millon at least from visits to the CL on top of the bulging bank balance they already have, they have a very good business plan which will include spending a major amount when we get back to premiership, unfortunately we have no money, no chance of CL money and only business plan ally has is spending money we don't have.

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George feeling a little bit sentimental tonight two great posts with no negatives think you have had to much wine lol. Yes must agree again with your post. Building a strong squad just now is the best way especially when they were all free signings. Bring in another 2/3 free signings next season. Then the following finances allowing bring in to decent young players from Europe or South America for little money say 3/4 mil per player then hopefully after two seasons with us we can sell them on to a English club for a good profit. Also heard there was a possibility of getting a deal in place to get some of there promising youngsters from man city. If this could be achieved then I think we would be able to match Celtic our first season back. Oh and if we did win the title on our first season back we would be on 4 in a row lol.

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My reasons for posting footaball things is I think the boardroom thing is now being dealt with the right way SoS led the fans to unite and their is an AGM with a democratic SHAREHOLDERS (thems that put their money in) vote for the board they want.

Pointless droning on and on here as what was needed has been done

I am only interested in the success and growth of Rangers on the way back to SPFL.

Even my Ally protests are pointless now.

A board wants a successful team as a successful team wins and brings the fans, sason ticket sales, sponsors, CL games and big TV money etc etc.

If Ally does not play a winning team in SPFL against Celtic and they get to 6 or 7 in a row he will be sacked simple, maybe he will be sacked before wh knows, only how his team performs will decide that not me on here moaning.

So unless there is a riot at the AGM I am just posting on Rangers football matters now.

Used to enjoy on here and had stopped enjoying

george

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N2 you say celtic will have won millions before we get back to top league I've always said its a good job we can't see round the corner

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George, you stopped enjoying it when you let your hatred (thats the way it comes across) for one of our own come to the fore. I say it all the time, SUPPORT our team it feels great.

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