Rangers Banter Archive March 14 2013

14 Mar 2013 11:50:08
With 42 teams in Scotland why don't we have a top division with 20 teams playing each other twice and a championship division or league 1 with 22 teams. 3 teams up and 3 teams down every season. We could also integrate junior leagues eg. Win the top west league and top east league and play a play off to get in to the championship.

Just an idea might work personally I think its better setup than already offered.

The reason it won't happen is because the smaller teams in top division such as st mirren want to play rangers or Celtic 3/4 times a season so they can keep ticking over.

Another option would be to regionalize the lower leagues and have 2 leagues with 12 playing each other 4times a season. 44 league games so more money for smaller clubs.

heid

Reason is sky/bbc/espn don't want celtic/rangers only playing 2 a season.

could be 1 game oct, next jan. and remainder of season, just goal differeence.?

Nothing better than 12-12-18.

Can I just ask, what is the big problem with 12-12-18? If it doesn't work, big deal! It can be changed just as easily in a couple of years. If it makes us a laughing stock in Europe, big deal we already are. Football in Scotland needs a shot in the arm right now and in the greater scheme of things what difference will it really make to the top two. Life will go on as recent events have shown.

ALDO

Why don't you just concentrate on getting back to the top fair and square instead of scamming your way back

Did we not give scottish football a shot in the arm by lasting longer in cl than man city, chelsea and going out at same stage as man. u and arsenal. not bad for a team on a third of their turnover. the laughing stock part is nothing to do with us. shammy

You can't have a team win the league and not be promoted its madness

It will be a good few years before Rangers are playing St Mirren 3 or 4 times a season.

@7. No it'll be 2 years. And 12 12 18 is prob the only way which will work which just about sums up the problem in this league. The need for teams to play each other 4 times. Ridiculous and desperate.

Prediction we move to 12-12-18, and rangers promoted into top in just2 seasons, but don't have 3 years audited accounts. so gain promotion and NOT allowed into top div!

this the next BIG (non-sporting) hurdle.

@7 not so sure, St Mirren might get relegated.

If 18 team league is not good enough for top level why is it good enough for the bottom?

Kirkonthemoor

N11 very good point mate I bet nobody thought of it like that exellent cheers

I'd suggest 13 teams. Play each other 3 times. For example, Aberdeen play Hibernian twice at home this year, once next year. Promoted team slots into what ever cycle the relegated team would have had. Teams get byes helping them to recouperate, 36 games lessening the burden of a long season, possibly introducing a winter break helping to avoid postponements. It works here. no one complains. 13-13-16. 3rd tier play each other twice. No splits. No gimmicks.

Melb bhoy

14 Mar 2013 11:25:22
Here we go again, talks of boycotts if 12-12-18 is put in place. The RSA should be quiet. Do they not understand that threats of this nature do nobody, least of all Rangers, any good at all. It just upsets people. Both RSA & RST are the most useless organisations and should not have the ear of anybody inside Ibrox. They have put their foot in it every time they desire their names in the paper or their faces on the telly for 10 minutes.

They don't speak for me, they don't speak for any fans that I know. I wish they would disappear. This are the mob that after a meeting with Whyte declared him "impressive", really?

The RSA speak for themselves and not for me. Dundee United boycott was a joke and I applaud all the bears who still turned up that day. The boycott nonsense has to stop and the fans get right behind the team when they need us.
However Scottish Football powers that be need to take a long hard look at themselves and the joke they are turning our game into. PB

The Dundee United boycott was supported by the club there was many reasons behind that and it was a great success if you ask me

IanTheBear

@2'How was it a great success? It cost Rangers money, the team got humped, maybe the support might have helped the display, and it was not total. You rate that as a success? {The Ed039's Note - It was farcical)

2. It split the fans, it cost our club much needed revenue and the lack of support likely had a negative impact on the team albeit I doubt they'd have won anyway & it meant we had to listen to United fans slagging us off for 90 minutes and you actually think it was a great success?

It would appear some of our fans are almost addicted to boycotts these days.

@ 3, how would a support of 4k rangers fans have helped with their display when you have 40k +at ibrox every second saturday and the team still serves up dross.

Answers on a postage stamp please!

Well said (The Ed039) at last people are becoming sick of all the nonsense of boycotts, blame cultures and us them attitudes, we are a football club, one of the best and biggest in Europe. We are not a hate mob of fans wishing hatred on everything not in agreement with our own thinkings. let's play the beutiful game and get back to the top then into Europe, without any help or new set-ups (we don't need it). God let's "not go to any away games" are they totally mad or just on the buckie to much? Who will sponsor us who would wish to pay money for the tv rights? no one persons. GROW UP.

The fans are quite right to boycott away games we have been treated like rubbish

@ 7 why have you been treated like rubbish do you hear the 2nd division teams threatening boycotts when 8 of them will be demoted? if you weren't so wrapped up in your selfs you would realise theirs other teams it effects far more than you but you don't hear them moaning about it the league reconstruction is about what's best for the league rangers are only interested in scamming a way back to the top which is why no one listens to yous

Totally agree with boycott if rangers are kept in bottem league the spl and sfa are trying everything to keep rangers from moving forward more so now that rangers won the two big cases against them the only thing in rangers favour is sky tv and a lot of others don't want to watch the witch hunt any longer both cases in our favour get over it cheers

@8: isn't it true that Rangers can't play in the top league without 3 years accounts? therefore, even if they were promoted back to the top earlier, they couldn't go so would have to play most of the same teams two years in a tow in the level below the top. What would you boycott then?

N10 we don't want fast tracked we ask only for fairness this reconstruction is illegal will that matter not a chance will it matter sweep it under the carpet again the carpet bugs are being overfed cheers

14 Mar 2013 08:40:55
We MUST improve the product. If it is not selling, improve it.

We must TEACH our youngsters SKILLs of football not how to bully someone at 12-16. That can come at any time in your life.

It needs time and effort and it does not look like SCOTTISH coaches know how to do it or want to do it as at present they are still getting paid and nothing changes. except here is a rotten card hand. to make it better shuffle the 7 cards. no change. surprised?

Scottish Football is a bad hand of cards at present. Shuffling the cards (re-construction) will do NOTHING.

There is no instant fix. Teaching our kids the skills to compete with the rest of the world (not just our little gold fish bowl) will take time. More than anything it will take effort.

Our football is heading the same way as our once proud heavy industries. no-one wanted to change them until it was too late. let's not make the same mistakes. again. FFS what is it with us? Why can't we admit we have gotten it wrong? Look at Germany. As soon as they strated having rotten world cups (last 8 only - not semis) they got together and changed what they were doing. Now look at Chamions league last 8. Dominated by German teams.

The only way out is to raise the standard and improve the way we teach our kids!

Vic the Hun. rant over.

Scotland always used to produce top players, alan brazil, dalgleish, lorimer, gemmil, mcqueen, asa hartford, souness. I could go on its endless but they all played in the top level of english football it was a conveyor belt of top young scottish players coming to england winning league, fa cups, and european medals, we at sheffield wednesday were graced by god only for a couple of seasons mind had ex rangers winger willie henderson, happy memories for me always liked wingers, he was my first boyhood hero, look at the top manager in premier he is a scot, top manager at championship cardiff, a scot. so it shows the coaching abillity in scotland is strong so where are the players? now you see players such as commons and without a doubt hooper who I saw play against the owls for Scunthorpe move to scotland because there is no way they could make it in english premier league, what's gone wrong in scotland is it the coaching of the young lads where are the wingers that scotland always produced? best winger I ever saw played for forest john robertson and guess what he was a scot. so come on rangers start producing them wingers, but to produce another willie henderson I doubt it, can still remember being at an away game it would start oh willie willie, willie willie willie henderson, loved the wee man. {The Ed039's Note - There is no real place for old fashioned ingers in the modern game I'm afraid, because old fashioned centre forwards/goal poachers arent really readily available either)

Great post Vic. Agree we need to look at the German model to get Scottish football back on an even keep. Rangers should be looking at Dortmund, Bayern, Schalke. Coaching methods, training schedules, scouting and youth development to ensure a bright future. To develop our leagues I would go back to 20-22 club leagues where we play each other home and away and these games become events to look forward to rather than think we only played them a few weeks ago. This would allow teams to develop their kids in a competitive environment. Have a top team mini league and play offs. Remember Scottish teams were at their most successful in Europe when it was a big league. Unfortunately, there are too many self interested parties to force the issue for the good of Scottish football.

Good wingers win games great wingers win everything, ronaldo can play on wing so can bale of spurs. {The Ed039's Note - But not the same way an old fashioned winger played, stayed wide and hit the byelines. Ronaldo and Bale have both become more efficient playing more central to be honest)

The palyers you mention did not need training and neither did I. Most people from the sixties played football every living minute, with anything round, in any space. I remember playing in the school toilets with a tied up scarf (ball shape).
That is the point we didn't need it becasuse we were doing it all the time.
Now kids don't play unless they have a replica kit with someone elses name on the back of it, best of football boots and a full size pitch. How can they learn the skills we honed in the side alleys and closes on a full size pitch when they can't even trap the blooming thing.

We learned skills that they are now teaching at Barca - we have stopped. {The Ed039's Note - Heady two touch in the close, I was born in 83 and we done the same, we would be in Tollcross Park in the pissin rain using jumpers for goalposts, you are right, it just doesnt happenlike that anymore. Even when the schemes play against each other now, they have strips ....... feckin strips. We had a ball with all the patches missing from it and still done it. It didnt stop with the sixties mate, it just hasnt seemed to reach the "Playstation Generation")

I left school at 16 in 2010 and whilst I was at school we played football on average about 10 times a year. Any tests physicial or mental were done during our football time mea ing we couldn't play. They didn't encourage it at all. Also down my local sports centre I remember seeing about 15 youths (13-16) playing footy on the astrograss until the police came and moved them. These kids went on to drink and fight instead of playing footy in a safe enviroment. No one encourages or allows kids to play ordevelop anymore so what chance do we have?

You also have to say that if kid were to play the same way that Henderson or Johnstone played, they'd get a fecking rollicing of the coach. Too gready, not tracking back, release the ball earlier, wait for the overlapping player, blah, blah, blah. Be honest we all heard it, and a good few of us have probably shouted it players too.

Scotland has stopped producing player for the EPL but so to have England! they have hardly a top class English striker playing in the SPL. It might be that players currently in the Championship would have got a top flight gig in years gone by but I doubt it. Dalglish Robertson, Gemmel, McCall, Collins proved their worth not just in the english league but in Europe too.

I remember when I was growing up playing football in bits of spare land, making our own goals with a plank of wood nailed to two trees, my point is, I also remember the councils around the time of my childhood placing no ball game signs in every place we played virtually ending our chance to play football locally. Is it any surprise the standards have also slipped in our professional game since this time period. The years I remember the no ball games sign glut was around 1990-1993. Decisions by local authorities to stop children playing football on patches of grassy land has had a detrimental affect on our game. We deserve to be where we are in world football due to the persons making decisions. We had three places locally as kids to play football, all three had no ball games signs put up and guess what happened, we started to look for other activities to keep us occupied that didn't include a ball game.

In england we did same, was from a mining village we knocked fencing down and stuck it in ground for goal post one thing city boys and townies could never get us mining village lads were very close, we came home from school homework done out played football had tea out playing football again, a few older lads got school boy forms at sheffield clubs and rotherham, one of my best mates got trial at leeds when revie manager, he was a winger one of the most skillful lads you would ever see his dad was killed in pit accident when mate was 3, was really rooting for him. revie turned him down when he said he was too small, hated revie and leeds ever since, football is changing go to see my parents the place were we played football never see anyone playing, don't know if its the same in scotland all football kids play football is xbox, you can't learn football by having one training session in midweek and a game on sunday.

14 Mar 2013 01:25:52
Our aim at the start of this season was to rebuild the club and team, gain promotion to the next league, due to the signing embargo our young players have been given an opportunity to gain first team football within the club, The likes McKay / Macleod have blossomed sadly some of the other "rushed experienced signings" Black, Sheils, Cribri etc haven't made an impact yet then we have the 2 young foreign guys whom have came from the Lyon, Athens set up not bad clubs again they need 1st team experience, saying all this we have "nearly won the Div 3" Gained promotion
Charlie Green seems to be doing a decent job, puma new sponsorships etc
Found not guilty of tax
Found not guilty of unfair sporting advantage
Paid most of our old clubs debts
Top 5 highest crowds in uk (not bad for a 3rdDiv)
Record season ticket sales
All this compared to 1 year ago this is a good season, hopefully this summer we will have a decent Pre season, get some free agents and be in a stronger position than we are now.
Give Ally till next year, We will rise and be successful again.

In the real world, running at a loss even when debt free, huge attendanced and money in bank?

how do you manage that. well done green.

this model is unsustainable, nothing learned from previous mistakes.

Why give Ally next year? He is clearly not up to the job and needs to go. Rangers will win the league but there is no evidence that he is building a team and the football produced has been atrocious

N1 cg bought a debt in buying rangers next season we would see a profit but what chance have we got when reconstruction is holding us back the sfa obviosly see rangers as a cash cow for the lower leagues why should we feed the lower leagues just cause the sfa chased rangers for money and lost

14 Mar 2013 23:26:47
How can Ally build a team? Wtf there is a transfer ban he had about 4 weeks to build a team all he had was the young guys and few first team players to start with? He has given the young lads a run in the team and being careful not to out burn them, how do you think these young guys at 17-19 feel when most of you guys boo the team and want McCoist out a huge boost to there confidence "not"

Op our plan was to win the league and win premotion we will win the league but league construction will preveny premotion due to the rangers haters that are running scottish football the only thing they are doing is running scottish football into the gutter cheers