Rangers Banter Archive March 14 2016

 

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14 Mar 2016 21:32:05
Hello, any idea when cup final tickets will be avaliable to none season ticket holders?



14 Mar 2016 20:21:53
I would like to say with regards to the Wallace good enough for Scotland debate I think it's disgraceful that he is being vilified for being loyal to his club. He should be applauded in this day and age to not bolt at the first sign of trouble and follow the cash.
I think we will see the best of him next year, he will be hungry to prove everyone wrong and be glad to be back to his level.
When he lifts his first SPFL trophy as captain, which he will, he will go down as one of our greatest captains in my opinion. Him and Kenny Miller are the greatest examples to our young team that we could wish for. Both of them have more class in there big toes than Celtic's captain Broon will ever have.



14 Mar 2016 20:37:09
So close.



14 Mar 2016 20:42:35
Totally agree, broony is probably the worst cellik captain in past 50years.



14 Mar 2016 20:30:11
Recbob aye and the scotland boss will say it was all part of his grand plans, snubbing wallace to bring the best out in him, lol.



15 Mar 2016 06:00:10
I really can't see how he has been vilified. It really isn't all that complex, he has been playing the lower leagues of Scottish football and without doubt for 3/ 4 of those seasons, it was really poor football. Ok he is playing back to his best. but there is an 18yr old playing a league above him (and well I might add) and a 22yr old playing in the Top4 English championship team and being touted for a top 4 EPL team.



15 Mar 2016 09:07:02
Stuzo

Worse than McStay?
Close run thing IMO, but still got a haul of caps somehow.



14 Mar 2016 18:06:27
cant stop laughing at people in my work, and also the press and ex celtic players, unreal funny listeining to them and also reading all the build up the ex celtic players r creating coming up to this old firm game, it reminds me of stubbs banging on about his treble he and his team where hunting down lol we'll do our talking on the park, as we have been doing all season. well done to ross county by the way, they deserved that yesterday.



14 Mar 2016 20:15:48
That's funny mate because your manager seems to have an opinion on everything, plastic pitches, the Scotland squad, league reconstruction, pitch sizes, journalists and has been all over the radio, tv and the papers giving it .



14 Mar 2016 21:59:22
He hasn't said a great deal about other teams though has he? I direct that to you precious as the subject matter expert on all thing Warburton.



14 Mar 2016 22:05:42
He has an opinion because he has a brain in his head when he speaks it makes sense.



14 Mar 2016 23:03:49
I am certainly no expert on Warburton, when people who have done nothing at the top level of the game start telling those who have how to run it, I take it with a pinch of salt .



15 Mar 2016 06:10:05
Tell me precious, how's buffalo bill getting on these days?



15 Mar 2016 09:16:52
Funny that, always see bookies and sides touting Deila for a top flight job don't we?



14 Mar 2016 17:44:07
Lee Wallace came to as when we were at our lowest and new he wouldn't get picked for Scotland in that leagues but gives as his heart and soul week in week out so I really hope when we return to the top rangers recognise this and reward Lee with a new and better contact. . onwards and upwards.



14 Mar 2016 16:58:05
Hope we don't sign any new players that are in the current Scotland team, Strachan will drop them from squad lol.



14 Mar 2016 13:41:18
Heard over the weekend that James Morrison at WBA is out of contract in the summer and is due to the leave the club.

I know wages would be a major factor but I think he would be an excellent addition to our midfield if we could land him for next season.



14 Mar 2016 10:17:51
does anyone know how many rangers players strachan has selected since becoming manager in january 2013.



14 Mar 2016 10:53:13
Ian black.



14 Mar 2016 11:33:49
Tbf his appointment coincided with Rangers liquidation.



14 Mar 2016 12:00:20
In all honesty I'd stop thinking of a rangers player in the Scotland squad while Strachan is involved. he will always come up with an excuse not to use a rangers player. if he wants to use Celtic players who have done sweet F all this year then go for it, there are far better players down south in the Premier league and championship than up here.



14 Mar 2016 12:29:52
re the green and white poeticpatient, tbf what has liquidation to do with any players ability.



14 Mar 2016 13:50:36
Well he was hardly going to start picking players from a team that was just admitted to division three was he? He doesn't seem to have a problem picking players who used to play for the old rangers.



14 Mar 2016 13:52:56
-Rangeken

Everything. When Rangers folded, there was an exodus of talent - and a few of them were Scottish, notably McGregor, Naismith and Whittaker. These three players have played/ been called up under Strachan.

You can't see the point I'm making?

I asked a question on here the other day -- and I was being genuine -- as to who should have been called up in this latest squad, but taking it further, who should have been called up since liquidation? The only one (objectively) would be Wallace and there are understandable reasons as to why he wasn't. Black shouldn't have been anywhere near the Scotland team - even at his best for Hearts. Wallace could have, and arguably should have, been the Scottish first pick at left back but he dropped down to the bottom tier and he has paid the price for that (rightly or wrongly) .

As for now, I still think the only real shout for a call up is Wallace but again, he has Tierney/ Robertson/ Shinnie ahead of him - all of whom are playing consistently well at a higher level. As I say, had he not dropped down the divisions, I think he'd be ahead of all three but he did - so he isn't.

And to be totally honest I think the Scottish left back should be Shinnie, who himself isn't even in the squad.



14 Mar 2016 14:18:29
Celtic "fans" on here again, enough said. Wallace, hands down is the best left back scotland has. No doubt. The reason they are here is because they are running scared. Quietly and confidently we will go about our buisness.



14 Mar 2016 14:27:21
TPP the fact you think Shinnie should be number 1 left back is laughable to be honest. Robertson is by far the best Scottish left back currently followed by shinnie, Tierney should be in the u21 side. the only reason I'd use shinnie is due to the fact we have very few left backs at a decent level, and tierney is far to young to make the step up, and wallace if i'm being fair hasn't been tested at a high level in a while (I still reckon i'd have him as 2nd choice though)



14 Mar 2016 14:31:51
Thats what it is Coldo. You've figured me out.

It's got nothing to do with this being a Football banter site.

It's got nothing to do with discussing football.

And it's got nothing to do with having a civilized conversation. (as you've proved)

It's because I'm afraid - and somehow having a conversation on here helps with that fear.

No doubt. Hands down. Both statements of fact clearly.



14 Mar 2016 14:34:24
It's laughable - then you say he's the 2nd best? Then you say Wallace should be 2nd choice? Are you having a debate with yourself?



14 Mar 2016 14:44:06
What has Shinnie ever done to be ahead of Wallace in the pecking order? Robertson is good but I don't think there is much between Wallace and Robertson for the no.3 shirt. The idea of calling players into the national squad is to give them a chance, seeing as Strachan failed abysmally to qualify for Euro 2016. Then surely Mackay, Wallace and Wilson should have been called up? Tierney is completely untried and why does Strachan persist with picking Brown, Mulgrew, Steven Fletcher, Hutton and Whittaker? Even though the last two named are ex-Rangers players I've never rated either at international level.



14 Mar 2016 14:46:49
he's only 2nd best due to few other playing at a higher level (basically a manager wouldn't be able to justify it) that's why shinnie is 2nd best, due to very few players playing at a high level. however in my opinion I'd still take Wallace over shinnie. Not difficult to understand TPP.



14 Mar 2016 14:51:51
Doiger, basically playing at a higher level, which makes him a better player technically speaking. Wallace hasn't been tested at high level recently. Shinnie has. Robertson however is 21 and a first choice for a top English Championship side. so you could understand if Strachan went for Robertson and Shinnie. next year I'd expect it to be Robertson and Wallace, with Wallace playing at a higher level by then, Strachan has no reason not to pick him.



14 Mar 2016 15:13:27
I understand that, but playing at a higher level matters - so if you are saying, it should be Robertson/ Shinnie but your choice would be Robertson/ Wallace then fine. That's your opinion - but to say it's laughable that I'd start with Shinnie over Robertson is ridiculous. (if it's about opinions)

Doiger, I don't get what's so difficult to understand about why playing at a higher level matters. Should Waghorn start over Sterling, Kane or Vardy? He's scored more after all.

As I said above, Shinnie, Robertson and Tierney are all playing at a higher level - and whether Wallace could/ would be the number one (I think he would be) if he hadn't dropped down the divisions, it's irrelevant.

I'm not sure that Wallace has much of a way back to be honest. Next year, even when he is in the top division, he'll be further behind because the people ahead of him will have had international experience, and more football behind them.

The (sad) truth of the matter is that Wallace, even when in the top tier next year, won't be a better player than he was the last time he was in the top tier - and that's the problem.



14 Mar 2016 15:16:11
Yes I have figured you out, didn't take me long. If its banter you are after, well done you gave us banter by showing up on here. Take a bow. If you want to debate matters of a football kind, going back to your earlier statements re-wallace. Give me a better scottish left back with better stats than wallace?



14 Mar 2016 15:21:28
Stats? I guess you mean Football Manager as Rangers aren't in FIFA?

There you go - some more "banter".



14 Mar 2016 15:30:06
I have no issue with Wallace not getting picked as we do seem to have a few good left backs. So I have to agree with PoeticPatient.
Wallace although one of the best is playing at a lower level and therefore taking the step up will be harder.
However. If that is the reason then why look at McGinn from Hibs? Has he played well and maybe deserves the chance. But then you have to say so does Wallace, Holt, Halliday and McKay (I'm not including Wilson as not convinced TBH) .
The excuse of "I know what Wallace can do" is false as the question remains, can he make the step up?
He also knows what, Bannan offers! Mulgrew offers! Forrest offers. So surely by the same argument he should replace these players with other fresh blood?



14 Mar 2016 15:39:25
Great comeback poetic, classic. Would tierney shinney or robertson get in the rangers team ahead of wallace? Sorry, for me, no they wouldn't.



14 Mar 2016 16:10:27
I doubt any would drop a division.



14 Mar 2016 16:21:46
-Bluegenuis

I agree that Strachan's comment is fairly ridiculous given the names you've listed - many of whom shouldn't be near the team in my opinion (Mulgrew, Forrest to name two) .

I also think McGinn's inclusion is a strange one - not least because the middle of the park is arguably our strongest area. I don't think Holt or McKay should be near the squad either, but if McGinn is there, I find it odd that neither of them have had a mention.



14 Mar 2016 16:33:53
TPP, he says he is using Tierney and McGinn as they could/ would be future national players. then surely McKay would be picked? and for forrest being picked, it's embarrassing to be honest. he is dreadful.



14 Mar 2016 16:57:01
I agree that he is making a rod for his own back - and I agree that McGinn shouldn't be in the squad, however, playing devil's advocate:

McGinn has played in the top league, McKay has not. McGinn has played in (and won) national cup finals. McKay has not.

McKay hasn't played at the top level. He has zero experience of it.

I don't think there is a comparison with Tierney, but in relation to the above, he has played consistently well in the top division, arguably our player of the year, and has played in Europe - and as much as a disaster as that has been for us this year, Tierney was a stand out.

So they aren't necessarily like for like.

There is also the possibility that Strachan just doesn't rate McKay, which could also be driven by the fact that he is well served in that area of the pitch and there are arguably 10/ 15 players ahead of him.

Like I say, I don't agree with his statement, but devil's advocate and all that.



14 Mar 2016 18:17:50
poetic, you nearly got it right when you spoke about mckay, when you said strachan could be driven by the fact, but you never added ''he plays for rangers, also you say 10/ 15 in front of him, well god knows how many in front of the likes of forrest, but anyone who is honest knows why he is up the pecking order.



14 Mar 2016 18:34:25
This plays for Rangers talk is nonsense. How can anyone have a genuien discussion with that sort of talk?

Why even mention Forrest? I already said he shouldn't be in the squad but again, if you think that McKay is ahead of (even) him then you are on another planet. You need to realize where you play your football. The level matters.

Ritchie. Morrisson. Maloney. GMS. Armstrong. Forrest. Anya. Snodgrass. Naismith. Dorrans. Gauld. Russell. Phillips. Boyd. Murphy.

There's fifteen and I honestly wasn't even trying. I'm sure I've missed obvious people out but you get the point. And to be clear, this isn't my list - these are simply players playing at a higher level, that Strachan has used or is known to like.

The only reasons I even put Gauld in there is because he is younger than McKay, twice the player and isn't anywhere near.



14 Mar 2016 19:58:04
ok we could go on all day, but i will finish with one simple question for you. you half heartily agreed re forrest's ability, albeit my celtic mates state ''he is mince''. so simple question any ideas why he and indeed others are strachan's boys, sorry obvious wrong spelling of boys.



14 Mar 2016 20:09:12
Why ask a question and then try to get a dig in?

I'll answer anyway.

In my opinion, Forrest shouldn't be in the squad BUT if I was to find a reason as to why he (and I'll assume you mean Mulgrew) is in the squad, I'd suggest a mixture of loyalty and playing level.

Strachan is known for staying loyal to players. These guys have been in and around all his squads when fit. This same reason could be applied to most of his squads.

There, I answered your one question.



14 Mar 2016 20:15:59
Wee question poetic patient, say Rangers go out and do to Celtic what we did to Dundee, not necessarily the same score but totally outplay them. Would you then agree that maybe Strachan has been wrong not to include any of our players. Dundee, who are a decent SPFL standard team just couldn't live with McKay, Holt and Wallace.
Of all they supposed better 15 midfielders you were talking about, a wouldn't swap McKay for any of them. None of them are in particularly good form, as most of them come from Celtic and you's are playing terribly. McKay will be a star in the SPFL by this time next year. Playing a few years in the Championship never done Mcarthur, McCarthy or Robertson any harm. Quite the opposite.



14 Mar 2016 20:48:11
No I wouldn't. Playing against higher levels of opposition in one off games, is not the same as playing at a higher level.

By your rationale then, Falkirk should have people in the Scotland squad because they beat you. It's got nothing to do with one game.

You wouldn't swap McKay for any of those players? Well that says it all then. This is the same McKay most of you lot wanted rid of until this season.

As for the Championship not doing Mcarthur, McCarthy or Robertson any harm, I think you are missing the point. They still played in the top league after that - way before they were capped/ bought.

Being a star in the SPFL is hardly indicative of international class. There's an argument that MOH should have been in the squad as he had been playing well in the top league for last 12 months - but again, nowhere near.

And FYI I didn't say better, I said ahead of him. Although, they are now you mention it.



14 Mar 2016 15:35:42
Patient: It doesn't mean Wallace cease to be a top class left back.



14 Mar 2016 15:59:05
Patient: There is no 'old' Rangers.



15 Mar 2016 00:29:07
Scotjo-

Actually it does. It means that he would regress, or at best stay at a similar type level. He is not a better player for dropping down the leagues and you're kidding yourself if you believe that.

And FYI I didn't mention an old Rangers. You are so terrified of that claim being laid you are now defending it before it's even being made. Good luck with that.



14 Mar 2016 22:47:14
I think your missing the point, we have had a fantastic 1st season under our new manager, beating Celtic would just be the icing on the cake.
The reason I wouldn't swap McKay with any of your midfielders is because I think after a season or two in the top league he will be better than anything you have in my opinion. I'm sure whoever you's play at RB will find out how good he is soon enough.
You make out as if the top league is on another level from us, I think we have shown we can more than hold our own at that level. Every Celtic fan I know is coming out fighting saying you's are going to do this and that, a week before the draw the same people were saying it was the worse team they have seen since the 90's.
There is a reason you's are playing to an empty stadium every second week and we are not, we're playing great football with a team full of great young up and coming Scottish/ British players and you's are rotating through an abundance of mediocrity and you's know it, attendances don't lie.



15 Mar 2016 10:27:26
It's not icing on the cake- you asked a question suggesting that in light of beating Celtic, would something change. That's a parameter shift by your own definition, not simply icing on the cake, so don't shift the goal posts after your question has been answered.

The reason you wouldn't swap McKay is he has had a good 7 months in the championship. That's it, talk of how he'll do this/ that in x years time is all well and good but as I said, the fact is, most of you wanted rid last year back when FrAser Aird was the new Messi. You're addicted to hyperbole and any sequence of decent individual performances leads you to believe that you have a gem on your hands; someone you wouldn't swap for anyone; a possible legend yadda yadda yadda.

The top flight is in another level. Literally. That's why you work up leagues. From one level to another. You started at the bottom tier and now you're near the top tier. Near. It's not about stepping up for one game - it's about doing it continually over a sustained period.

You keep mentioning Celtic whilst claiming people keep mentioning Celtic. This thread was about the Scotland squad. And if you do wanna keep mentioning Celtic, flip your question around:

If we are playing so poorly, with a poor manager, and nothing is clicking, and we play your Barcelona light team, playing out their skins week after week, with momentum, form, and managed by Wardiola - and we still beat you, what does that say about you, your level and where you think you are?

I'm not even going to get into your last paragraph because it's a pathetic attempt to rile and distract from the debate at hand. It's total schoolboy stuff.



15 Mar 2016 11:20:58
Poetic patient first and foremost thanks for bringing a genuine argument to our banter forum. You make quite a good case as seen from an outsider. However to my mind at least there are a couple of weaknesses in your case.

Your case is based simply on seniority of leagues being the be all and end all but in the current situation it could be argued that the top six teams in the Championship would do at least as well as the lower half of the SPL. As a Celtic fan you will agree that any team rises to the occasion when playing against one of the old firm. This is more true in the lower leagues as we know from experience.

The second issue to consider is that of style of play. As Celtic are well aware the style of football they still play is not good enough for even the early rounds of Euro competitions. I know not if you have watched Rangers play this season but the current system has allowed us to start from scratch and build a team (and Academy) playing in a style that has an improved chance of success in Europe. In fact it could be argued that the other teams in the 'lowly' divisions can be seen to be upping their game by focussing on 'keeping the ball '. When we develop the method of converting possession into goals there will be no stopping us.

An additional bonus is the pleasure derived from watching Rangers - even the games lost have been great - if frustrating. This is the reason Rangers support must be around 50% of attendances at all games and if the system eventually works the game in Scotland can look forward to an 'Enlightenment' that will get Scottish football back where we belong.



15 Mar 2016 14:20:44
Thanks for the well thought out reply Salen, I appreciate it.

First and foremost, you made some interesting points, many of which I agree with and will address, but the larger comment is that they are, for the most part, non-sequiturs.

The first point is the most relevant to the thread at hand, but even then I think you slightly missing my point. I don't disagree that top six teams in the Championship would do at least as well as the bottom six of the SPFL Premiership, although it may be safe to say top 3/ bottom 3. That said, I'm not debating that, nor would I argue that by and large, Rangers (and Hibs for that matter) have a squad to rival most of the squads in the SPFL Premiership. My point is that they are not playing at a consistent high level. You can argue the merits of Scottish football, and where that level sits in a general footballing sense, but objectively you can't argue that the Premiership is the highest level in the country. I also agree that teams rise (regularly) to the occasion and play to their maximum when playing against Celtic/ Rangers etc however, even taking that into consideration, you have to accept that the maximum levels in question are different. So if Dumbarton play to their maximum, out their skin etc, it's not the same as ICT/ ST Johnstone doing the same. The other factor in this, is the mental aspect of the game. You can make more mistakes in the lower leagues because you are less likely to be punished for it. That's a fact - and one that was driven home when Rangers played St Johnstone. This is why Celtic struggle in Europe. This is why Scottish teams have always found it difficult. There's a concentration aspect that you can't switch on/ off. So whilst its possible to be on point for one game, in a sort of catch 22, it's harder to do it consistently - until you are doing it consistently. (which is why Celtic/ Rangers have always done better in Europe when in the middle of a tight race - both recent European cup final runs ended with the otherside winning the title)

Your second point I will concede on the basis of neither watching Rangers play, or knowing that much about them and their behind the scenes changes. To be clear, I have never said I did/ have. This entire thread is based on Scotland, their recent squad, and lack of Championship players -- notably Rangers -- in said squad. No doubt this concession will lead to people asking how I can say Lee Wallace is behind X, or how can I say McKay has x many players ahead of him, if I don't watch Rangers - but they are missing the point entirely.

Finally, the third point isn't really a question; it's more a statement of your own pleasure at you/ your fellow fans enjoyment of the games this season - and who am I to argue with that?



14 Mar 2016 09:12:23
We've heard from some managers boasting about their team winning trebles this year but the only team who can still win 3 trophies is Rangers. Admittedly one of those is the Challenge Cup but it is still a trophy. I haven't heard or read a thing from MW or DW boasting about the possibility of their team picking up a treble. Intelligence and class are attributes which are hard to beat with ignorance and crassness.



14 Mar 2016 10:05:04
So Andy Halliday (evening times) and Kenny miller (daily mail ) were being ignorant and crass, when they recently gave interview's to these paper's saying rangers were on there way for the treble? Or are you saying they don't have intelligence or any class? If you need any windows fixing in you glass house, I know a couple of glazer's, πŸ˜‰.



14 Mar 2016 10:47:39
I think Baloo said MANAGERS not players who are known to be a bit excitable at times and not really representative of the way a club is going.

The only time I can recall when a crass player was supported by a crass manager was MON and Lucky Lennon as in lucky to get a job and keep it.



14 Mar 2016 10:47:41
You have confused me with your pressing of the disagree button, are you saying these articles don't exist? But I have even given you the papers concerned, both articles are easily accessible on line 😁.



14 Mar 2016 11:09:04
Oh so it's ok if your players are lacking in class and intelligence, glad we cleared that up, as a matter of fact I don't disagree about the players involved.



14 Mar 2016 11:56:35
Also interview's and player's. Not good!



14 Mar 2016 13:52:31
I thought the articles were decent enough seeker .



14 Mar 2016 14:22:07
Class and intelligence like McGregor and Forrester of Celtic? . mmmmmmmmmmmm.



14 Mar 2016 14:24:25
Said before and will say again, celtic fans shouting there mouths off on here for the simple reason is they know, that we know, that they are there for the taking. Makes me laugh to be honest.



14 Mar 2016 17:06:54
Precious yae like they wee Emoji's daint yae, We will beat yeez oan April pal 😁.



14 Mar 2016 20:09:02
Snicker bear (keep up with the times ) who does Forrester play for? Coldo yes you have seen right through me, the reason I come on to a banter site for a bit of banter is because I'm shaking in my boots about rangers winning the semi final, and I somehow think coming on here for the banter will stop it happening. Your rational knows no beginning.



15 Mar 2016 09:11:51
Precious that could be the case or it could be that for years now the unwashables have been more than obsessed with anything to do with Rangers.



14 Mar 2016 08:19:44
I don't care what all these ex Celtic players are saying they probably have not seen rangers this season they are paid to talk dross . we have not had many games where the team come at us but the ones that have have had a hiding with a few quality signings we will challenge for the league . most of our signings have been players that were not seen as great signings and look at them now warbs has a great eye for a player and his man management is second to none and think we will start getting the best players from teams in lower leagues down south because they are sold on the club the fans the football and want to win things.



13 Mar 2016 23:55:55
Regarding the old firm game, Dundee came out, played their attacking football, got beat 4-0 .
Celtic will do same, not saying we will score 4, but if they think they can just turn up then they will have a problem .
We have a far better team than last year and they better appreciate that.!



14 Mar 2016 10:49:10
Good post Brian but you're forgetting that Celtic have made progress of their own this season.


Only been pumped out of Europe twice this season instead of three times like last season.



14 Mar 2016 12:28:20
Nice one naz. had a good laugh at that one, cracking post πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.



14 Mar 2016 14:25:38
Two out of three ain't bad lol.



14 Mar 2016 23:23:03
I hope CFC do come out and play football as I believe we are a better footballing side technically. If they park the bus and hit us on the counter, they could do us some damage tho.



 
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