Rangers Banter Archive July 15 2013

15 Jul 2013 16:42:47
After coming through what we've just came through, You would think as a club we would be playing it a bit more coy than we currently are, there is no need for these players we are bringing into the second division, the wages we are paying them could be saved for when we are in the top tier. there is absolutely no need for us to be paying players thousands of pounds a week to play against players who are on £10 or £20! I find it terrible how we just jump in and start spending ridiculous amounts of money on wages for players, even last season, It shows the lack of care and desperation when we are putting thousands in Kevin Kyles pocket! Ally Mccoist has stated we needed to get players in, but the lack of care at trying to make this club a profitable club cannot be ignored, if this is where we are at in division 2, I'll be sure to say we are doomed when we get to the SPL.

Silly post. Its called investing in the team, if we tried to come through the ranks with just the boys we would struggle big time and then we would have to buy practically a whole team and hope they jelled quickly. Rangers are upholding their end of the deal by bringing in players after we invested in season tickets etc. By the time we get back we will be in good shape, don't you worry.

Can't share your pessimism. We need to ensure promotion first time each year. Also the players we've signed are of SPL quality so let's get them in now. Otherwise they sign for someone else and we may need to. pay a fee for them or players of similar quality. I can understand concern regarding finances but I'm not convinced were going down the tubes again. Yet. I may well be wrong.

Celtic learned hard way, years on no major trophies and cl games every year, but prudence and good governance means good times are back.

rangers follow same pattern, try to spend more than celtic.

some folks never learn.

We are actually buying players who can compete at a higher level, and they will also help the development of the younger players such as Macleod, and Aird etc.

@3. How can Gers be spending more than Celtic? Our signings are free! Your striker cost a couple of million. Plus wages.

The second poster hit the nail on the head there these player that have came in are all good players who will demand a fee to leave so in fact by getting these boys for nothing now is making money for the future aswell

The problem is when players play at a level or two below thier ability it drags thier overall standard down you could see it last year with Shiels Sandaza black and even Lee Wallace who probably handled it best but still aways below his hearts best

We have signed some really good players for the long road back to the SPFL. These players have been signed for nothing and will probably have a sell on value should they have to be offloaded. The club will be being ran more prudently that it has been before. All of this constant worrying about finances should stop. can't we just go back to being fans rather than accounting experts. i'm more interested in scores on the park rather than balance sheets. The last couple of years can never be repeated and people are in place to stop it happening. A wage cap has been introduced and we will get back to where we belong.

Investments in the team? do you call 30+ players picking up 4-5k a week without kicking a ball an investment?
There is no need to spend the money we are spending in these divisions to gain promotion every year, in my book it's bad management to say it is, and as for upholding there end of the bargain, I believe rangers still being a club would be rangers upholding their end of the bargain. There is no need for this excessive investment at the stage of our return to the spl, I find it ludicrous that anyone can suggest that there is not an easier way out the lower leagues than spending as much as you can. Look at last season, and the money we spent on wages for 'big name players'. then look at the players who actually showed up and produced the displays to help us win the league, It certainly wasn't Kyle, Sandaza, cribari etc, It was the players we already had at the club, most earning a tuppence compared to these players

It's necessary for one reason only, The Ally factor. 25% of the outgoings on these guys should be enough overkill to secure this league with a good manager. There's a huge financial outlay to get good enough players to mitigate the Ally factor.

What a poor post, have you ran a major football club m8,? with tens of thousands of ffans to please and titles to be won?how exactly do you expect us to win the leagues without investing in players? do you think when we finally get back ( which would be a long time with kids ) we could just buy a new team for the top flight?, do you want to go to Ibrox and watch s****? how long do you think any big teams fans would turn out with only a cheap team on the park? Ally McCoist is responsible for managing a major football club, not pollock juniors, the CEO has already stated the club is steady, we have no reason to not want decent players to watch. I believe some time down the line, when gers regain their position, there will be major investment, hopeful thinking maybe, certainly not if we, re stuck in 2nd div with a team of kids and old men, Tommyblue

1. Stupid to call the OP silly unless you have seen the bank books and accounts. So like the OP I'll keep on worrying until I'm satisfied we are financially secure because I don't trust Mather or Stockbridge or Green and Ahmad who are still helping to run the show.

@3 you should take a read of the link in the previous post below. good governance?

@3 you should take a read of the link in the previous post below. good governance?

3) yeh good times are back, is that why they are having to discount season tickets, is that why the crowds last year were way down. You have got the chance of CL because you have no competition in league. If you don't qualify which is a distinct possibility we will see how good times really are.

For you to suggest we are spending more than Celtic is ludicrous, we have not spent one penny.

Got to agree with poster 11. Most stupid post I have seen on here in the last two weeks, some people do not have a scooby doo when it comes to football and building a side. What does the original poster want us to do wait till we are back in the SPFL and spend millions building a side, which will all be new to each other? It would take our first season back in the top tier just for the nucleus of the team to gel. Ally does not want to come second in our first season back he wants our rightful crown back as Scotland's true champions at his first go. Do not worry Tommyblue as you predicted there will be further Major investment in the team over the next two years to add to this team framework. This I can promise.

P. S think the original poster may not be a fan, just my opinion mind.

@15 -

a) are you not spending more on manager and his back office team than Celtic
b) are you not spending more than celtic on players paid to leave and not play, £1m or more this year.
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me thinks there are areas you outspending them. by millions

? "Ally does not want to come second in our first season back he wants our rightful crown back as Scotland's true champions at his first go. "

Ally had a first go in season 2011/12. was 15 points clear and lost plot, dumped out of europe by diddy teams and all cups. won nothing!

hes had a first go!

@16 I think your post is one of the most stupid posts I've seen on here for a while we won't be on a par with the Tic for a good wee while & if you want to go down the outspending root again £10 for ever £5 and all that we will end up back in Div 3. Celtic have a nice bank book now with CL money & Transfers. Which of our players could we see £12million for when we get back to the SPL McLeod don't thinkso maybe 4 or 5 mill if we're really lucky. Plus they have the cushion of Billionaire owners we certainly don't have that the fans cash alone is running this club & anyone who think otherwise is mental our boards taking money out not putting it in. I hope we can get big investors in like everyone else but why would they invest in an Scottish side no matter how big we are unless they are an out & out bluenose who doesn't mind losing some of there cash to eventually start making some it would take years of careful investment & astute business dealings.

Larky Bear

@17 how do u know who is spending what?

@20 rifc announce players leaving saving £2 mill a year, then we had details emerge of contract payouts!

KEEP UP, not seen any celtic player leave with time left on contract and get paid not to play.

@21 not saying there's anything wrong with it & I might be totally wrong but didn't you pay off Lassad recently?

Larky bear

15 Jul 2013 10:47:37
Why if we don't get a centre half can we not just play jig and daly and then push little upfront. Save a lot of money don't you think?

Ryan

They both have no pace between them FFS!

Who cares if they don't have bloody pace it's the 2nd division not the Champions league Jig & Gasparotto will do for me or give Mcausland or Cole a bash. The more signings we make the closer we edge to financial meltdown when will some of you realise this?

Larky Bear

Why would rangers ie the manager the board sign players if they thought they were heading towards financial meltdown?
call me crazy but I'd quite like to see two cb playing in wait for it. the cb position so just because big jig n Daly have played there doesn't mean that's who should play there now it was a case of needs must but not now!

Ally McCoist tried to sign Daniel Cousin while we were in Administration mate need I say anymore? We were supposably losing £1million a month while we were playing regular football & taking in money weekly for merchandise, food, etc fair enough the Season Ticket money's there but what's left no one knows. Call me crazy but haven't we been down this road before if Charles Green & Ahmed are still running the show I do not trust them one iota. If Charles Green could knock Ibrox down & make more money that way he would! On top of all that we have about 28 full time players for the third tier of Scottish football think we will manage this season but hey that's just my opinion signings are nice but I'd rather we live within our means right now were not were running up debt. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but prove me wrong here?

Larky Bear

Am sorry but if u have no pace there will get caught far to much its ok to have one player there with no pace but all u will see is boys hitting the ball past them and run and will conseed far to easy see it all the time with lower divisions so think before u post

But we won't only be playing in the second division, what about cups

If you want proved wrong larky you will need to wait a few years, very pessimistic post, terrble actually, so we are going to close down according to you? what did you want,? a few years in div 2 then another few in div1? we need to get back asap, that requires players < there are 2 major cups to compete in, we can't face humiliation against 2nd rate clubs, this is Rangers m8, do you really think walter, ally and the other gers around the club would simply sit back and watch us implode?

What u on about mate I strongly think Daly Should be playing upfront and have said on numerous occasions I'm happy to see Gasparotto at CB aswell as giving Cole, Hegarty & Mcausland a chance we have 9 players who can play at CB & u want another 2 that's a full team of Defenders pal think before you post.

Larky Bear

To poster number 4 I do understand what your saying but its not just the leauge we are going for this year cups runs too and we are getting boys in now spl level that a do see doing a job for use when we are back in the spl so in true terms we are getting boys in on free contracts rather than buying a full team each year to will the title and if the boys move on will get a fee for them what will cover wages that have been forked out for these boys and more and when ally went for cosin whyte was in charge and don't think he had advised anyone the club was in such a bad way now we have boys in that are making sure we are living in our means and I do beleive that the club is in a good place atm

manderson 1872

+1 Larky.

I understand that we need to build for the future & cup runs, also that consecutive promotions is key! Havent we done that already is this squad not good enough for Division 1 & 2 atleast look who were up against? If not then its you who are being pessimistic. I'm actually a bit surprised so many disagree if you want to jump into bed with the new board & think everything's rosy fine but while we are in these divisions paying players thousands a week we certainly are not making much money. I've stated that I like Mather better than I ever did Green & Whyte but the jury is still out. I ask you we all know Sandazas contract increased every promotion so how many others did we offer the same sort of deals? I'd be very surprised if he's the only one. All I am saying is that we cannot justify 28 players on 2k bare minimum a week we know the youngsters are on that the older more experienced & higher profiles certainly are not. On top of that we are also aware of the Boardroom bonuses are those justified? Tommy when did I say we would close down only that it's a possibility with this old buy our way out philosophy. Craig Mather said players will need to go before more come in look & I'd love big Moshni but we have to get rid of say Cribari & Argyriou who are surplus to requirements. I might sound like a bit of a Grinch but we are not out of the woods yet & anyone who thinks we are is Deluded. The wage Bill is probably around £6million a year excluding bonuses. Malcolm Murray had to pay 30k to a leccy bill not so long ago STs have brought in much needed cash & it should keep us safe for a while all I've been saying is i'd rather we lived within our means than went on a signing spree, I couldn't go through another admin & there's still no proof to prove we are living withing our budget last I heard we were running up debt of a million pounds a month & we still have loans to pay that bought our assets in the 1st place. Il be there supporting the team all season round I just don't fully believe that we are being run properly yet. We are Rangers we've been through the mills Smith walked away & Ally trusted Craig Whyte have we all forgotten about that? Excuse me for not putting my full trust in Charles Greens Rangers board or what Walter & Ally say for that matter.
Believe it or not there is people out there who will abuse the trust of the honest working man & fleece you for everything you have not just in football in every aspect of life. People like Charles Green look after number 1. Look after yourselves & keep your eyes open to all the goings on at Ibrox & not just the smoke that James Traynor blows up your @rses.

Larky Out

@Larky

Blah blah blah! My God you go on. Ally trusted Whyte? What would you have had him do? Stop everything he was doing and canvas an investigation into his background, whilst that was going on, he would try and keep a team together with cuts etc. Then prepare for the season ahead. Go home and be a father and husband etc?

What p!sh. You seem to think Ally is at the heart of everything. Frankly it's boring! I've only just started reading these pages again and I'm numb to the bone reading it!

RTID
GDog

14 Jul 2013 22:54:22
Best of luck to Cliftonvile on Wednesday night. Good bet plus 1 goal at 7/2. Hard to watch though I agree

I'm a Celtic fan and I will be taking that bet mate. We will take them apart at Celtic park in the second leg but next tuesday on that narrow 4G park with some key players out and going into it in horrendous form this is a good bet for anyone interested. I just won a nice wedge half an hour ago on Mexico -1 vs Martinique in the Gold cup which they won 3-1. Put quite a bit down on it but nice earner.

@OP Sour grapes or what? Enjoy Div 2. Hope you have a hard time TRYING to win it. TW

@2 I definitely have sour grapes, only one team I support but hope you get absolutely humped and found out, then that Barca game will be shown for the fluke it was. PB

@2 Not as sour as some of your own fans turning your back on the 2 players that more or less got use through the CL. Just because there moving on to bigger & better things with more money in there pockets. The days of playing for the Jersey are gone pal face it. Hope your prepared to lose big Fraser & Ledley & Mathews next. If it's not January it will be next season.

Larky Bear

Sour grapes? Hiw many of your fellow celts betted against rangers in europe?

@1 mate going by your preseason you's won't hammer anybody your defence is woeful early exit for you's

Hmmmm a Champions League Qualifier V a Ramsden club tie. spot the difference. As for hooper & Wanyama all the best too both, the hoops advanced there careers & will go on to further there careers down south, as for Mathews ledly& forster all john parks scouting system. an excellent scout, who the rangers scouts should try & be like. All brought in for roughly 5.3million. Wanyam=£11.6million profit. Hooper=£3.3million profit. Ki=£3million profit. Ledly&Mathews could fetch £4million each& forsterbetween £4&5million. so all in there's £29.3million for a £5.3million investment. figures only the rangers could only dream about. steff.

Steff I'm not going to disagree with you if u look through my posts I've said JP is the best in the country if not one of the best in Britain. But saying that with all this money you are making where's the ambition to go on & further the heights of last season right now I don't see any at all? All I see is the fans of the mighty conquerors of Barcelona with the biggest bank book in the land patting there shants at the thought of getting knocked out the CL by Cliftonville.

Larky Bear

@6) Mate please, please do me a favour and put everything you own on that will you. Go on, put your money where your mouth is pal. lol

Celtic -3 Goals to win against Cliftonville @ Celtic park. I'm putting £200 on that, my entire winnings from the Mexico bet.

I'll be back on here to gloat and laugh at you after the game.

Timmy Hill 67