Rangers Banter Archive April 16 2013

 

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16 Apr 2013 22:47:34
Green has 8% of Rangers.
Does anyone know what is the breakdown of the other 92%

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Does anybody know the names of the investors? That is more worrying.

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Rangers has an issued share capital of 65, 096, 056 Ordinary Shares of 1 pence each. No Ordinary Shares are held in treasury.

Major Shareholding (3% or above):



Charles Green

5, 071, 629

7. 79%



Hargreave Hale Limited

5, 022,000

7. 71%



Artemis Investment Management LLP

4, 286,000

6. 58%



Blue Pitch Holding

4,000,000

6. 14%



Mike Ashley

3,000,000

4. 61%



Margarita Funds Holding Trust

2, 600,000

3. 99%



Cazenove Capital Management Limited

2, 450,000

3. 76%



Richard Hughes

2, 200,000

3. 38%



Imran Ahmad

2, 200,000

3. 38%



Legal & General Investment Management Limited

2,000,000

3. 07%



As at Admission, 85. 7% of the Company’s issued Ordinary Shares of 1p each will be in public hands. The Ordinary Shares of 1p each in the capital of Rangers International Football Club plc are freely transferable.

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Thankyou. That is very interesting and there are some interesting names there who are respected fund managers - for example - Cazenove Capital

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16 Apr 2013 22:26:40
sorry guys my stevie may post was typed wrong he's scored 21 goals

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16 Apr 2013 21:05:40
Long post warning it should be worth the read thought,

Scottish football. Where is the good and where is the bad? Well where to start. The good?. That's the question I'm struggling on, no old firm games, what's on the pitch is below par, its always been a 2 horse race? Other than the old flash where it's a 4-3 game it's pretty poor. As of next season we need to start playing our football in July and play 3 qualifiers just to get into the the CL. Whoever wins the spl gets around 2/3m? However if you come last and relegated you get 900k. Below that if you win division 1 you get £68,000? As you can now guess its time for the bad. On this topic it brings up yesterday's league talks. I don't like the split idea however the money for smaller clubs like above is shocking. Why is this the case though? IMO it's down to the powers at be behind scottish football. Scottish refs are below par is about the only way I can put it while still being polite lol. Week in week out its shocking decisions happening across the whole board, I totally except human error however the level of referring is just short of amature level yet these refs still get a call in the biggest stage of Europe and still make a mess there?. for next season we have no league sponsor, the SCLC is funded by crime and the scottish cup is funded by a bookmaker. Taking this all into mind we have the rangers saga where the powers behind scottish football couldn't make a call on what punishment they could give rangers or bribe them into division 1 the term kangaroo court always springs to mind. After all of the above Neil Doncaster gets a wage rise while we have clubs who are going to maybe hit the wall next season, no league money & a sky deal that isn't breaking the bank. One way money gets into scottish football is via Europe more so CL but whoever if they get there that Is shouldn't have the thought of scottish football on there mind. We have 3 stadiums in Glasgow properly all with in a 10 mile radius which altogether hold 150,000 these belong to celtic rangers & QOS, Dundee have 2 stadiums about 100 feet apart. From the forth road bridge to the tay bridge you have around 5/10 stadiums. 42 teams for a country of this size is always going to have hell cats writin all over it. How can/does it work? But that's the case IMO it doesn't!

So what's the point of this post? If you have just read that above and it isn't black and white what's wrong with our country. I really think its going to hit the fan if clubs hit the wall then why do we need a SFA etc? To say we will be a Irish league IMO is still being kind to us. I think we could go off the tv rader completly. I still say Germany have it Sussed out €15 a ticket and always jumping. We pay £27 to see Aberdeen away.

Scottish football has been a dying case for a long time now, IMO let its rot. It's properly going to be the only way the SFA will fall and then reform a totally new set up. Even have a rule in where 2/3 scottish players must be in the starting 11?

Feel free to either rip this post to shreds or add anything I've missed out.

It's a sad day but IMO the coffin lid isn't far away as people think

Lenny

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QOS play in Glasgow?

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Queens pk ffs why be so picky people

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16 Apr 2013 21:31:20
Long post warning it should be worth the read thought,

Scottish football. Where is the good and where is the bad? Well where to start. The good?. That's the question I'm struggling on, no old firm games, what's on the pitch is below par, its always been a 2 horse race? Other than the old flash where it's a 4-3 game it's pretty poor. As of next season we need to start playing our football in July and play 3 qualifiers just to get into the the CL. Whoever wins the spl gets around 2/3m? However if you come last and relegated you get 900k. Below that if you win division 1 you get £68,000? As you can now guess its time for the bad. On this topic it brings up yesterday's league talks. I don't like the split idea however the money for smaller clubs like above is shocking. Why is this the case though? IMO it's down to the powers at be behind scottish football. Scottish refs are below par is about the only way I can put it while still being polite lol. Week in week out its shocking decisions happening across the whole board, I totally except human error however the level of referring is just short of amature level yet these refs still get a call in the biggest stage of Europe and still make a mess there?. for next season we have no league sponsor, the SCLC is funded by crime and the scottish cup is funded by a bookmaker. Taking this all into mind we have the rangers saga where the powers behind scottish football couldn't make a call on what punishment they could give rangers or bribe them into division 1 the term kangaroo court always springs to mind. After all of the above Neil Doncaster gets a wage rise while we have clubs who are going to maybe hit the wall next season, no league money & a sky deal that isn't breaking the bank. One way money gets into scottish football is via Europe more so CL but whoever if they get there that Is shouldn't have the thought of scottish football on there mind. We have 3 stadiums in Glasgow properly all with in a 10 mile radius which altogether hold 150,000 these belong to celtic rangers & QOS, Dundee have 2 stadiums about 100 feet apart. From the forth road bridge to the tay bridge you have around 5/10 stadiums. 42 teams for a country of this size is always going to have hell cats writin all over it. How can/does it work? But that's the case IMO it doesn't!

So what's the point of this post? If you have just read that above and it isn't black and white what's wrong with our country. I really think its going to hit the fan if clubs hit the wall then why do we need a SFA etc? To say we will be a Irish league IMO is still being kind to us. I think we could go off the tv rader completly. I still say Germany have it Sussed out €15 a ticket and always jumping. We pay £27 to see Aberdeen away.

Scottish football has been a dying case for a long time now, IMO let its rot. It's properly going to be the only way the SFA will fall and then reform a totally new set up. Even have a rule in where 2/3 scottish players must be in the starting 11?

Feel free to either rip this post to shreds or add anything I've missed out.

It's a sad day but IMO the coffin lid isn't far away as people think

Lenny

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Lenny really qos wake up
Germany the reason why its jumping cause there are about 10 times the amount of people in germany they have for years had best economy in europe that's why lower price

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QoS in Glasgow?

But seriously Scottish football has been going down the pan for the last few years, but the nail in the coffin was the Rangers problem. If truth be told a country which has 2 major teams cannot afford to lose one of them. I am afraid that this season in SPL is of no interest. We knew who would win the league, we knew who would be relegated. I am afraid it is going to get worse before it gets better. I am not having a go at Celtic but their CL run this year has papered over the cracks. It has brought the rest of the league clubs much needed income but there can be no doubt that their crowds are suffering because there is no competition. How many of the fans that bought season tickets this year but have not turned up every week, will not renew next year? If it is 5% loss that is 5% that may never go back.
How many fans of Rangers will not renew. I am one of those fans that bought two season tickets last year, and I have been at four games. I just cannot watch it, but I will not be renewing next year. I can't justify £800 for four games. It is the first time in forty years that I will not be a season ticket holder. The Green fiasco is one reason but the football is the main reason. If 5% leave, they might never go back.
The last season bravado of the likes of Aberdeen and Dundee United no doubt sold a few hundred extra tickets, will they renew, I have my doubts.
I gather you are a Celtic fan, and no doubt you will not agree with this, but the day Rangers were not voted into SPL was the day that Scottish football wrote its obituary. I know, only too well, that the mismanagement of our club was the reason for our demise but that does not change the facts, Scottish football without either Rangers or Celtic is worthless.
I believe any true fan of football would have to agree, the problem is that the fans of clubs are against the big boys, what they forget is this - Celtic & Rangers are Scottish football, full stop.
The Old Firm games are the only games that anybody outside Scotland are interested in, people may not like that but it is the truth.
Our country is tiny, we have 42 teams, most of whom get less than 1000 fans, some would kill for 1000. We need to amalgamate teams, we need Rangers, Celtic, Edinburgh, Dundee, Perthshire and Angus, Highlands, Ayrshire and Borders, Lanarkshire, Fife, Aberdeenshire, Central, Renfrewshire.
We need to get the Fife teams together, sell all the grounds, build one new stadium, sell the players of all, and build a new team. Will it ever happen, of course not. These 1000 fans love their clubs in the same way we love ours. Another problem is that the closest teams are bitter rivals so any chance of amalgamation is out the window. That is the only prospect of improving the game, the better players will get to the top, the rest will find their level.
That will not happen, we will blunder our way forward until Rangers are back in the top division, until there is competition, until the interest returns.
Just hope that Scottish football has enough teams left to form a top division in three years

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Lenny won't be long till English football implodes, yes your right the german model is the way forward

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Good post, but I think it has been posted on the wrong site. Unfortunately we do not have any say in the way scottish football is being run as we only have a temporary membership of the SFL. Hopefully we will be allowed to work our way up the SFL league's and by that time all the big SPL clubs will have sorted out the structure to suit themselves, that is if they are all still in business. Football integrity is always key!

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2) ". but the day Rangers were not voted into SPL was the day that Scottish football wrote its obituary. I know, only too well, that the mismanagement of our club was the reason for our demise but that does not change the facts. "

The obituary was already written years ago in the 90s when Rangers overspent and clubs tried to compete.

Even if Rangers were voted in the SPL this season - do you think they would been able to continue financially in light of the financial losses? What if Ally was given a £10 million warchest? And he kept the high earners like Davis, Naismith, McGregor. ? The sad truth is that it would have only have delayed the inevitable. Some clubs may have benefitted from Rangers presence in the SPL but Whyte/Green would have run up more debt.

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Typo mean QPR

Lenny

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16 Apr 2013 16:03:17
Where are the Blue Knights or Brian Kennedy, or even Smith's consortium? Need to strike up a deal quickly for someone to buy the club, try and get us out of this mess. Also ed, if all the things are between Whyte, Murray, Green etc, should the court not try and punish them as directors/business men?

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That is not wanted mate! if this whole mess gets legal the problems for the club could be enormous. If whyte is proved to be correct, and on first look he seems to have a case, it could get ugly very quick. The ground could even be closed pending a legal battle, it could not be used if they are fighting over ownership. Green has created a mess that might take years to untangle, while the lawyers bills mount.

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I'm sure there are many business people monitoring the situation very closely. As I've said all along Charles Green is only at Ibrox for the short term and the Blue Knights and others know that - they won't have been fooled by Green's bluster and talks of staying at Ibrox until he hears the Champions League music.

They'll be in the background waiting for the right moment hopefully.

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When will people realise that Green does not own the club. The club is owned by shareholders. Who are they going to buy it from?

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I'm depressed now.

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@3 Well obviously buy his shares off of him, then get a new chief executive.

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16 Apr 2013 15:15:47
Look guys if we face the facts we were conned by Green & Co. they should never be near or club. This has got to be sorted now before we lose our club. Walter Smith would do nothing to harm our club he should come out and tell fans how it is, I'm sure he has his own ideas about the whole set up. He would have the backing of a lot of good Rangers men willing to take our club forward. It has to be done now before the monies the fans have invested disappears. How can we trust poeple who have told us lies from the beginning. Our club has been run corruptly since Murray got his hands on it, though this does not apply to his co- directors they maybe should have been more diligent in the running of the club
action need to be taking to stop the hurting of the team and great loyal fans who have backed them against all this turmoil.
Bobby

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Bobby. It constantly amazes me Walter escapes criticism from fans. He has been around the boardroom for months, has he not been asking questions that have been worrying fans? Do you think he and Ally did not ask John Brown what exactly he was referring to? It seems to me that Walter might be hiding a few secrets of his own and Ally, who backed everyone who came in, is looking after his job. This is really serious now, stock exchange fraud and licence problems FFS, time these guys opened up to the fans.

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1. You may well be right and in all probability are. I was giving him the benefit after all the sterling work he has done for us over the years. You are right things can't be allowed to remain as they are and if any of them has information the fans should have now is the time to come out with it otherwise they will be tainted with the syndrome Green & Co. have created. Public company documents prove Green has been fibbing about the White involvement and even if he has screwed White his own background is in question. I fear greatly for our club and the route he is taking us down. I won't lose money out of the club this time round like I did with the previous regime but know and feel for the fans who did invest. The money wasn't invested to make a profit but for the good of the club but even this looks a forlorn affair. Hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't looking promising.
Bobby

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Why are Rangers fans always needing a 'Lord of the manor' Murray, Whyte and then Green. If you can sell nearly 40,000 season tickets as quickly as you did then surely the fans could buy the club like they should have done at the start of this season. Surely there is enough people with the know how to make this happen.

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16 Apr 2013 11:12:55
Time to face facts guys. Green, whatever way you spin it, has messed up. Here is an article from June 27, 2012;
A Rangers spokesman confirmed the assets had been transferred to another company, "for the avoidance of doubt Sevco5088 limited bought the assets of Rangers Football Club and then transferred them to Sevco Scotland limited so all the assets would be in the Scottish registered company that is Rangers F. C" Meaning if whyte's claims are proved to be true, that he was a director of Sevco5088, and the documentation seems to prove he was, he will own a minimum of 25% of the club. This is getting nasty.

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16 Apr 2013 10:16:16
as a person living down south, I only occasionally view scottish news. but listening to 5 live was a amazed to here a Celtic supporter on saying some celtic fans were against the ban on singing sectarian songs, and there was a march protest by them in glasgow relating to it. as a rangers fan. if those guys were rangers I would be embarrased by them. anyone that thinks singing songs about people dying, militant songs etc in any concept, are fundamentally wrong. They have problems as people, never mind football fans. I wonder though, had this been rangers, I have a funny feeling it would have been emblazoned on the national news. strange the story was mainly buried down here. yet (though it was shameful) the minority of gers fans in manchester rioting was a top story

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Well I suggest you get your facts straight, living in England and all, as you are wrong. The whole thing centres around the treatment of football fans by the police. Under new laws they can do pretty much what they want when they want. There are songs that should be banned, but there are songs that are banned and should not be. The wording of the law, as described by a sheriff as mince, is also wrong.

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Being opposed to the offensive behaviour at football bill and singing sectarian songs are 2 completely different things.

Its about freedom of speech and not demonising footabll fans. Singing songs about the ira or uda, the pope, the queen, fenians or orangemen is harmless, getting out of control with alcohol or drugs, carrying knives - these things are dangerous and this is where the efforts of the law should be focused.

flower of scotland & les marseilles both glorify military battles yet I bet if scotland played france at hampden there'd be no arrests of those people singing the anthems would there?

Old firm fans are demonised for songs, I don't agree with a lot of the lyrics but at the end of the day who cares. sticks and stones and all that

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@1 what a load of p*sh, it has nothing to do with football fans now and the march in George Square and photos prove that, there was only one club with an issue and agenda that day and the weeks before.
If as a fan your going to a match to watch football what is the issue with police trying to keep it safe and a friendly environment and stop trouble makers getting in.
Just look at the events at Wembley and Necastle do we want to go back to that. I want to go to the match and maybe one day have a pint inside the stadium instead of worrying about what the people who attend are planning! PB

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@2: the 'sticks and stones' argument is not, and never has been, viable. Words can hurt if used in that way, and can cause all sorts of pain and trouble. Words start conflicts and those on the receiving end of constant verbal abuse can be driven into very dark places indeed: it doesn't mean they're weak. In your world, is verbal abuse and bullying something that doesn't matter? Is screaming religious, homophobic or racial hatred at others not really anything to worry about? Is singing songs about violence and all of the above acceptable because we want freedom of speech? Freedom of speech doesn't mean we can say whatever we want without fear of redress, you know. Just as well you're not in charge.

It's time to move on and consign such songs to the dustbin of the past where they belong. they cause offence and a football ground - or anywhere in public for that matter - is no place for them. In fact, there is no place for them - even if people are singing them in private, surely it means they believe in the sentiment and therein lies the problem.

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If those guys were rangers I would be embarrased by them. anyone that thinks singing songs about people dying, militant songs etc in any concept, are fundamentally wrong. They have problems as people, never mind football fans.
op. those are your words not mine, as a ranges fan, you must know the words to the billy boys.
i'm no medical expert, but I would imagine an awful lot of people would have to die before '' you're up to your knees in fenian blood ''
pots and kettles and glass houses spring to mind. shammy

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I'm from England and this is for the english halfwit with the radio that tells him things that no one else hears, I think this guy should seek help the game in Scotland has moved on more than any other league in the world were by the look of it England in one weekend has been put back 10 years if you have nothing good to say about the game in Scotland don't say nothing at all, the English game is full of divas on and off the park an over rated over paid propaganda machine

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How can you say singing songs that glorify terrorism are harmless? Try telling that to all those whose lives were turned upside down due to terrorist acts. The fact that new bills have been set up by the Scottish Government tells me a different story.

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@7 wow and I guess the songs your new club's fan sings are all ok then be it about terrorism or child abuse! You just keep deluding yourself to that and I am sure you will be fine!
Fact is none of this is acceptable!

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18 Apr 2013 02:53:41
ever been in the green brigade end shammy, or maybe at a night out in a "sellik" pub or club? you would soon know what bigoted songs are, pot and kettle m8? TB

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16 Apr 2013 10:10:42
thank goodness that st mirren and ross county GENUINELY upheld sporting integrity at last. these plans were a mess. losing points mid season etc. why can't (like any decent league) they cannot decide on a 14 or 16 top league, and the rest go into another league or 2. simple

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Because Rangers would demand to jump the queue and be in the top league?

LLSTMF

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14 or 16 teams is nonsense, spl has to be reduced to 10 and bottom 2 divisions cut off. small country=small league.

2 leagues of 10, 2 up/2 down. no part time teams allowed. play off between team finishing bottom of div 1 (or whatever it would be called) and top of regional non-league for 1 promotion place each season.

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16 Apr 2013 10:08:44
on all the stuff behind the scenes at rangers. like most gers fans. truly fed up with it. its being going on for 2 years. though we all know the uncertainty was going on for best part of 10 years now. I do not know why rangers seems to attract people who are shady. I have to say I was quite disapointed that a few rangers minded millionaries didn't put there money where there mouths were and buy us, and at least we would know it was going to be the good of rangers. these guys should have taken a punt, I guess the hmrc case we have since won, put them off. I long for the days in the 90's when the headlines were all positive, about good players we were signing, instead of all these shenanigans. I am fed up with it all. Its time the fans were respected and we had people in charge who don't have anything to hide.

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There were rangers minded people seriously interested in buying the club in its hour of need, but d@p knocked them back due to the consortium of themselves, whyte green, ticketus and all the rest whos names have cropped during administration, liquidation and they are still there dragging this club further down. i'm sorry to say, but we are a long way off bringing the type of player to ibrox who will make big news in the press. jimbo.

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I think with hmrc off our backs no cheating allegations hanging over us cg now under suspision prices in stoch exchange dropping now would be an ideal time for rangers like people to buy rangers I think this is maybe the plan cause its not like ws to stand back saying nowt about presernt happening without their being a plan b

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The so called rangers minded people were no different to green they wanted it for nothing get your head out the sand

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16 Apr 2013 08:52:03
So with regards to the vote yesterday, the 2 chairmen who voted no listened to their fans. We are now being told by others that they should have ignored their fans for the good of the game. Where was the ple to ignore fans to make money when they all clambered to send Rangers down? Financial suicide that it was.

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16 Apr 2013 08:39:15
"You can't ignore fans. Any business which ignores its customers is doomed to fail".
Stephen Thompson, Dundee United, 9th June 2012.



However, the league must not be compromised by changing the rules during the course of the competition and these decisions should not be made on an ad-hoc basis".
Peter Lawwell, Celtic FC, 22nd April 2008.

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OP: in retrospect, who would have known the situation that Rangers are in now

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@1 These quotes are not necessarily about Rangers. These are 2 quotes which reflect on the current SPL push for change.
There has not been any meaningful contact with the customers the fans about this and to change the setup for next season near the end of the previous one is ludicrous.
There could have been a rep from every club, even leaving rfc out of it, and reps from the various fans groups. If they are so adamant about the perils facing scottish football it would have made more sense to have everyone round the table with ideas pros and cons. It wouldn't have mattered how long it took, a season or more and everyone would have had their voice heard.
These chairmen and ceo's are the same people that have overseen the decline in scottish football and done nothing about it.
I still think though at the end of the day we do not have the quality players in numbers coming through the ranks, we do not have the crowds to make a significant difference and the product is not drawing the tv viewers. All of which affects clubs' finances and the ability to improve not just survive.

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@ 2) I misinterpreted the statements. I agree with what you are saying. And it would take a huge effort by all to change Scottish football all for the best. I've looked through different fan forums, websites at their suggestions for league formats and feel that all seem similar and we would be back to the same situation within a couple of years.

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Rangers went bust owing millions. the new club had to apply to join the league, for the millionth time. has mr. gilmour actually given us any details of his meetings with fans, votes etc.? i'd like to hear the st. mirren fans speaking. next time they get relegated, as they do, they might regret this.

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16 Apr 2013 07:23:00
congrats to st. mirren and ross country for not being bullied by loowell/sfa into reconstruction that no fans voted for or wanted, that's what you call integrity mr. loowell/sfa!

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Please get it into your head lawwell only asked gilmour to have a rethink
nothing more. Its been mr milne of aberdeen whos been at the forefront of criticising st mirren and ross county regarding reconstructure. This
pointing the finger at lawwell is just yours, and other rangers fans who are suffering at your clubs plight, to bring celtic into it. Rangers are were they are due to their mismanagement
no one else, s fault, so rather than have a go at celtic you and your fellow supporters should be taking action against those who are dragging your club further into the mire on a daily basis. jamie

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It's strange all the abuse Lawwell (childish spellings of his name etc. ) is taking. Surely if Rangers had had a CEO like him for the past few years, things might have been very different.

Maybe the abuse is just jealousy.

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N2 you talk about the childness slelling of lawwell that is retaliation for the new rangers no history taunts that we have to take from your lot I think you should put your own house in order before coming on here telling us of our wrongs

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@3 put your house in order - your having a laugh. it will be another 10 years before rangers have a house in order

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16 Apr 2013 07:17:49
Eds--- Much better that agrees and disagrees have been omitted, so if you don't agree, in particular, make comment. It would also be good if posters registered and had a name.
billyb.

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Like it edd's. Keep up the good work :) CheltBlue

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16 Apr 2013 07:05:13
Lets get something straight here, the only team who tried to influence the vote was celtic. Peter lawless tried to throw his weight around and get ross county to change their vote. I think anybody has the right to vote how they wish without pressure. I also believe clubs should be banned from announcing their vote before it takes place to avoid influencing others.

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You might include Milne of Aberdeen, Thomson of Dundee United and Mr Green of Rangers

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16 Apr 2013 06:37:47
even yey I read about the what's and whys of rangers being in the third div, let us all be honest with ourselfs, it was the best we were ever going to get, cg knew this that's why he sold our soul for tuppence, he has never shown us the agreement, why not, he has never shown us the deeds, why not, our club is on the verge of disaster and all we want to do is blame everyone else, we still believe that the enemy is all around but it is really within, that's where we need to fix it, so forget scoring points and laughing at other clubs struggling, because they are not struggling any more than we are, and that is fact, from now to the start of next season will be very hard for a number of clbs not least our own so let us hope it isn't all tits up for us by then

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16 Apr 2013 05:39:54
Lawell and his fellow directors not so long ago screamed from the rooftops and I quote. We have to listen to the fans for the sake of sporting integrity and then promptly ejected rangers from the spl
I would like to know why these carpetbaggers have now decided not to listen to the fans on league reconstruction sporting integrity does not seem to play a part in a 12 12 18 set up the fans don't want it but who cares certainly not Aberdeen I thought Milne was going to have kittens we will no doubt here from lie well soon

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You were not ejected from anything. col

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Rangers went bust owing millions. including owing their own fans. so far, I haven't seen any fans discussions just some dodgy figures quoted in the even dodgier redtops. i'd say ok that's it then, keep it as it is. the difference to celtic is they play the top 5 instead of the top 7. tremble. the difference to the rangers is they get to play 1 team currently in div 1, dumbarton, and 1 team currently in div 2 who theyd have avoided otherwise. QOS are out of reach anyway, in oh so many ways. so let's have that.

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OP, I don't remember any campaign by the fans regarding league reconstruction, nor do I remember any club having a fans vote. I do, however, remember these regarding Rangers last season. Plus there was a pretty strong consenus last season over the Rangers situation, I see no consenus over league reconstruction.
I don't have the answer and will follow my team irrespective of the league structure. However, I think the SPL split is stupid (although I know why it is there) and think splitting the top two leagues into three is even worse.
All this talk about meaningless games is a distraction. Irrespective of the league structure there will always be meaningless games.
Al

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16 Apr 2013 01:40:02
condolences to the poor souls involved in the boston marathon. at the end of the day its a sport and it makes me wonder what's next. seems to me enjoyment is a crime in todays hatred fueled society. deecee

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Well said mate. It's a frightening world at times. Just read about the 8 year old boy who died, he had just hugged his the after him finishing the marathon. Monstrous. Joe

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15 Apr 2013 23:50:36
If the SPL and the SFL want changes within Scottish Football then they need to put forward proposals that are put forward in a democratic fashion that includes options that don't limit progress on other options at the same time.
The proposal at Hampden by the SPL asking clubs to decide on 12-12-18 (or at the last minute suggesting that the SFL clubs if the initial vote was accepted could see the bottom 18 converted to two tens via no doubt the addition of two new clubs) is not the correct way to conduct this business. in particular when the failure we are advised means that any other items of business therfore fail. Before any attempt is made to sort out new league divisons/teams etc the first item that should be addressed is the merger of both the SPL and the SFL by all member clubs.
Once that is agreed, then the next item to be resolved should the election of the Board of the newly appointed assocoation again via the votes of all the clubs.
At that stage then is the correct time to put forward more than one proposal for actual league construction with all clubs invited to vote on at least two options and the choice made as per the votes of all clubs.

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All clubs cannot vote

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