Rangers Banter Archive February 16 2017
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16 Feb 2017 21:03:00
whats wrong with Graeme Murty staying in charge until the end of the season
16 Feb 2017 21:15:48
I'd prefer clint and kenny.
17 Feb 2017 08:19:48
Wait until Sunday until we judge the guy. If we go out and beat Dundee comfortably then I don't think it'll be a bad idea.
17 Feb 2017 08:50:17
He's to inexperienced, get mccliesh in now till the end of the season.
17 Feb 2017 09:06:51
With some of Murty's recent comments I wonder if his allegiance is with Rangers or Warburton. Murty could leave at the end of the season to join his three amigo's, who knows?
17 Feb 2017 10:41:01
Graeme Murty was employed by the club after going through the interview progress he was not handpicked by warb and co.
17 Feb 2017 15:00:17
dont know anything about the guy but if he comes out with a 4-4-2, i say keep him but if he comes out with the same 4-3-3 nonsense then i want him out. its my opinion that we don't have enough in there and get overpowered and outnumbered in that key area all the time against better spl teams
17 Feb 2017 18:29:15
From what I have seen he has come over as stronger that Warburton ever was. He seems confident and won't take prisoners. Somehow I don't think that the Barton embarrassment would have happened had he been in charge back then.
The guy is well respected as a youth coach and he needs to be allowed to do that role but the current situation won't do him any harm.
16 Feb 2017 17:41:25
I reckon Alex is a good coach and would take him to the end of the season. His signings on the other hand are very poor. I think he'd be ideal working with a DOF but would be terrible as a DOF.
16 Feb 2017 23:29:27
Walter smith had some terrible signings as did advocaat. And even alex ferguson had some disasters in the transfer market.
17 Feb 2017 11:41:29
A DoF doesn't necessarily decide what players are coming to the club. The manager passes over their list and then the rest of the team go to work and secure the players with whatever package.
So in that instance Mcleish would be fine. However not sure I would want him in that role, I would prefer someone younger and proven.
17 Feb 2017 14:37:39
Celtic showed their intent by signing a well respected EPL Manager with a good record. He was a top ten team, manager. Rangers need to make a statement and give notice of intent by bringing in a manger of at least the same status, and they need to back him with serious investment.
If they don't then we can take it that the Board hasn't the ambition to get us back to the top spot.
Like most supporters I would take a punt on Frank DeBoer or the Laudrup brothers if these guys were interested.
17 Feb 2017 15:02:58
hooley seriously don't mention those guys in the same breath i mean seriously mcleish. ferguson smith advocat are far far far superior
17 Feb 2017 20:14:16
I don't get your point james. What I was saying is that every manager has success and failure in transfer market. Nowhere in my post did I compare any of the above managers with each other
16 Feb 2017 16:02:22
Think we need to get Big Eck signed on as DoF asap, to guide the inexperienced Murty and to lay down foundations and plans on the build up to summer. Hopefully that would help us secure 2nd place, and in the meantime the board should be doing everything they can to persuade De Boer to come in as soon as this season finishes.
16 Feb 2017 23:56:30
Don't get that Alex McLeish has the capability or record to be DOF. For a number of reasons, we cannot spend our way out of this - a DOF needs to sort and drive value from the academy, sensibly recruitment with a half an eye to sell on and at the same time equiping the team to compete as we grow by supporting a first team coach - DOF is way different to manager so (much as he delivered) why McLeish?
18 Feb 2017 15:54:45
Our CEO has said that we are going with a DoF, so we should be looking to secure the best. That surely rules our Macleish. The guy at Southampton, (Wilson), the guy at Spurs, (Mitchell), and the guys at Watford and Huddersfield are all well respected as a DoF, what has Macleish done in the game after he left Rangers and what qualifications has he to do the DoF job?
The DoF will also presumably have a say as to who comes in as Manager and certainly the first two that I have mentioned will know which managers in the game work well within that structure.
If we are going down this route with that quality then we will need investment and I can't see us making such an appointment if serious funding will not be there for the new management team.
16 Feb 2017 12:23:53
My ideal situation at Ibrox would be the following:
DOF Ross Wilson
HOR John Park
Head Coach Frank De Boer
Assistant Ronald De Boer
What I think will happen
DOF Big Eck
HOR John Park
Head Coach Derek McInnes
Assistant Tony Doherty
16 Feb 2017 14:09:59
Read somewhere, think it was the BBC, so prob p! sh, but they said it would likely be frank as dof with mcleish as head coach
16 Feb 2017 15:37:34
John Park has an alarming inability to identify a striker. Glad he is away from Celtic, squandered millions on likes of Bangura, Pukki, Balde, Tampon (Boerighter) to name a few. For every 1 good player 4 duds are signed
16 Feb 2017 16:31:44
I get the full John Park thing from a mate who has connections at Celtic park. Park was supposedly an arse up until he knew he was leaving and mentioned a couple of times he wanted to be a part of Rangers. To top it of I know that he is a massive Rangers man.
16 Feb 2017 21:20:37
Stories circulating that the rangers board are very keen on both garry monk and gary rowett! Some media outlets are actually reporting that both are very high up on their list of candidates! Both are good coaches and would be good appointments for the rangers manager/ head coach job, IMO!
16 Feb 2017 21:46:43
I thought john park was going to America, some mls team I heard
17 Feb 2017 01:02:13
What exactly is a DOF, s role in a club, does he decide which players to sign.
16 Feb 2017 23:57:38
not 100% sure but would imagine the profit Park helped make from ki, forster, van dijk wanyama etc outweighs the loss on bangura puki balde etc
Park is a big bluenose and I for one would be happy to have his scouting network of contacts at Ibrox.
I believe he also worked with Eck at hibs.
17 Feb 2017 10:41:40
John park is worse than no scouting system.
17 Feb 2017 21:43:11
el minto, Park is no bluenose! I've known him for years and he's no Rangers fan. Cee's right, he's worse than no scouting system. I doubt anyway if you'll get to read this as the editor of this page seems to have barred me from commenting. He hasn't used my previous six, so I won't hold my breath. Maybe if I was posting fantasy rumours instead of truth I'd stand a better chance.
16 Feb 2017 10:30:35
Got a feeling that we are going down the same route that Celtic did with Ronny Delia and he did win 2 championships, but ask any Celtic fan and they will tell you it was rotten Delia was handed players from above and told to coach them.
The play was poor attendances dropped and in the end they turned against the manager and board. Now correct me if I am wrong but the similarities are already starting to show - it is the cheap option.
The De bore's will not work under these constraints. Only young emerging coaches will try this out like at Hearts with Robbie Neilson and Ian Cathro where it has been a success, but this is Rangers where success is measured on trophies and old firm games.
So DK take note, we need to challenge and beat Celtic regularly so make sure you get it right.
16 Feb 2017 13:27:29
At this moment most of us would be happy with just beating the rest! Do that and you have a chance of titles without beating Celtic.
16 Feb 2017 20:59:19
stungun 100 if you did a bit of research you would know that de boer worked under a director of football whilst at Ajax The D. O. f at Ajax is Marc Overmars. Most European Clubs used this structure.
16 Feb 2017 23:34:04
This is what happened:
Warburtons agent approached Forrest. Warburton is highly thought of in England. Warburton had not spoken to King in over a month. He knew King wanted him out and he wanted out. (Stepping stone for England, yes it is for every manager and player in the SPL) So Forest say yes we are interested but we can't afford compensation.
Agent goes to Rangers and asks, if Warburton leaves for another job can both sides walk away from the contract. Warburton had 2 years remaining so if Rangers sacked him it costs 2 years money. The board said yes why not. Rangers are happy as no pay off. Forest happy no compensation.
Agent went to Forest said Warburton would come but he wanted to bring his back room staff. Forest then had to pay off the contracts of their backroom staff so they said leave it till summer and we will talk again. Forest are also skint.
Agent goes back to the board, Rangers think, no we are happy with the agreement and without telling the agent, they announce the dismissal on grounds that he resigned. There was no signed resignation.
It was agreed by Rangers that they would let him go. So now it's up to the lawyers if that request counts as resignation. You can resign verbally, you can be sacked verbally. Paper work can follow. The question is, if the above scenario is a resignation or not. Over to the lawyers. It's not cut and dried on any side.
16 Feb 2017 07:55:12
MW and co lawyers stating they want to see evidence of the resignations of all three parties to prove they resigned. I really hope there is such a document otherwise rangers are going to look ridiculous to all in the football world and potentially have an adverse effect on getting a quality replacement. Surely our board who are all astute business men know employment law?
16 Feb 2017 08:59:36
just because lma gets involved everyone panics, as far as i am concerned they resigned end of, i don't think they have a leg to stand on, it will all blow over soon when they get their move to where they thought they were going
16 Feb 2017 09:09:36
Supposedly the LMA don't have the power to demand it, there's no way it would have happened without some sort of documents
16 Feb 2017 09:24:34
MW is saying he never resigned but is not denying the agents involvement with the three of them going to another club and subsequent change of heart. The lawyers are going to be the only winners here.
16 feb 2017 09:47:36
yep- play on words, they did not personally resign, their agent did if terms were met. their job fell through and they came scurrying back.
personal view, i think dk called the agents bluff and played a blinder.
16 Feb 2017 10:32:38
Surely there should be something legal that says if you try and sign for another club whilst employed at a club, then that employment contract is void. Cannot have your cake and eat it sorry.
16 Feb 2017 10:49:23
Hope you are right about the document (or statement in front of witnesses). I spent many years in employment law and most cases lost because most senior execs did not know the law and fired when they felt like it. We should have someone in place somewhere who does know the law surely.
16 Feb 2017 10:57:08
Does anyone even know how resignations work when your agent represents you? Personally I haven't got a clue but I reckon it is different from me walking into work with a resignation wrote out. Surely if you have someone agreeing terms for you then all of that is above board?
16 Feb 2017 13:46:48
Don't like the sound of this. Looks like another trip to court I reckon we've been in court more times than Andy Murray. Just hope we've took right advice on this one or that will be more money pouring out of the club.
16 Feb 2017 14:54:44
Surely if an agent represents you then that's what it means, don't hear any of them sacking there agent, i know if was me and he talked rubbish i'd be firing him
16 Feb 2017 17:25:43
So if a club contact an agent wanting there client to be a manager and he says yes does that mean the manager don't need to sign a contract because the agent said yes? Surely rangers board can't be that silly that nothing was signed.
16 Feb 2017 18:27:31
Agents negotiate a deal when you join a club, but until the player/ manager puts pen to paper its not deemed legal.
Same applies if manager/ player negotiate a deal to exit the club.
No signed resignations then no chance of King winning in any court.
16 Feb 2017 22:12:33
announcing your intent to leave or desire to leave at such a position could be considered as dereliction of duties and make the continuation of employment untenable.
i am fairly certain company lawyers would have decided if what the board were doing would be lawful and imagine that this is the reason the announcement took so long. ie the lawyers were taking it into consideration. even that said on occasions it would be a measured risk to potentially lose a court case than have a management team in place that doesn't really want to be there.
targets that were set would no longer be priority to them since they know they would be off in the summer anyway.
16 Feb 2017 21:51:42
Andy Murray is never in court more like on court
16 Feb 2017 23:42:54
Bennybhoy67
That's not true under Scottish law. Your representative/ agent can verbally resign for their client
17 Feb 2017 14:46:07
I suspect that it will not reach court. There will be a settlement based on the last six months of this season and Warburton and his cronies will vie appointed at Notts Forrest in the Summer.