Rangers Banter Archive July 16 2012

 

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16 Jul 2012 22:50:30
Something just doesn't add up. SFA did their best to get SFL to keep us in Div1 but now we're in Div3, they appear to be doing their best to make it impossible for us to compete. Eh?? Either there is more to these "issues" with CG - newco, [Ticketus/Whyte?] than we are being told or Regan has completely lost it and needs to be sacked now!.
Can't help agreeing that there could still be a real sting in the tale of this whole fiasco.

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It's called being vindictive, we're no longer a financial asset to them so the gloves are off. Knew this was coming, CG needs to make sure we block all their attempts to cripple us even further. We are on our knees as it is, yet that's not enough - Liquidation the ultimate sanction.

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I think you're right. Pandora's box has just been opened.

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Regan=Lawell's henchman. Anyone with half a brain can see this. Only the deluded can't .VHSS

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It really does beggar belief. Even if Rangers had gone to Div1, they may well have ended up in Div2 by this time next year. If the future of Scottish football is so dependant on Rangers being in the SPL asap, should they not be thinking of giving Rangers a 3 goal start in every match, instead of hammering the club at every opportunity.

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Regan=Lawell's henchman. I don't think so somehow, in fact, I bet Lawwell wanted Rangers to stay in the SPL but with a points deduction, anybody who doesn't see this probably is lacking half a brain. Or more.

Agree Regan has lost it but on this occasion I would say he is likely just acting on informal advice from UEFA, certainly he has handled the whole situation pathetically and is one person I'd be perfectly happy to see losing their job.
BARNEY BEAR

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You are already in a process of liquidation. Its not a sanction, its what happens when a business cant meet its financial obligations - it goes bust, and you have. Noone decided it was a punishment it happened because the business failed. Happens every day and they dont all whine about it. In the great scheme of things you were a medium sized company thats all.

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You have yet to be liquidated. Do you want Sevco to be liquidated too and put an end to it all?

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16 jul 2012 22:24:44
so we get voted into the third division then we
have to apply for a licence.
why oh why is the system not firstly the sfa
have to grant the licence then a club is in a
position to apply for membership to the sfl.
even in amateur circles the new amateur team
applies to the league executive and on the basis
of being accepted in principal (provisional licence)
the club is then accepted by the other member
clubs. or to put it another way what a waste of
time attending a meeting and being accepted to
then have to consider if the conditions attached
to the licence being granted are worth it.
get real sfa if that is possible by all means check out a club but do it first then the club knows that if accepted by the actual league the decision is final.

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Your right in your question, but you forget a lot of the info that the sfa wants,rangers/green just doesnt have, like a set of account, names of investors, not to mention a tesm name, contracts etc

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16 Jul 2012 22:22:44
Does anyone know about our moto READY surely we have to carry this forward?

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'fraid it has to go mate. Newco cannot trade on badges, logos, crests, colours, mottos, brands, sayings, history, traditions of the liquidated old company/incorporated club.
Especially one with the sins of that oldco.
Breaking insolvency law is serious, however, I expect someone at Newco to chance their arm and try to make everything as similar as possible.
Start thinking like a third division new club supporter now. Forget about stars on jerseys, euro nights etc, it's all gone.

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Logo crest badges etc were purchased as part of cg takeover.

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I believe the club motto of the old RFC was "Ready", . . . . is it true the motto of this "Newco" will be "No Ready" ?

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16 jul 2012 22:30:21
the sfa like doing things arse from elbow which is why they invite the sfl to decide if they will accept rangers into membership,then to ensure
they get it right (that should really read wrong) they instruct that club that it will then depend on granting them a licence,after proper investigation etc etc. you could not make it up.
stop wasting everybody's time by convening meetings to determine if a new club can get entry to a particular league till after you the sfa have done what you should have done in the first instance.

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16 Jul 2012 22:03:46
Why do we have two Englishmen in charge of Scottish football?

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Because they were appointed after interviews as the best candidates for the jobs.

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We've got two englishman and 42 scotsmen who can't lead. There all idiots.

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16 Jul 2012 21:56:19
So if Rangers accept this transfer ban, can we replace the players who have walked away or are we seriously expected to compete with around 13 players?

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16 Jul 2012 21:55:55
Can someone please explain to me how being made to accept a decision that was deemed unlawful by a high court judge can possibly still stand? isnt that illegal? im not a charles green fan by any way of your imagination but i hope he stands his ground on this one, it looks to me that regan knows he is off hire soon so he will do anything to take rangers with him!!

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The court decision was against rangers. Not this new company. The SFA can apply any sanction they want to a new company. Accept it and have a license, don't and don't. Welcome to the World of NewCo.

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If the SFA can apply any rules they want to the newco, then this looks like nothing more than simple revenge. Don't blame us Regan, It was the SFL that voted us into Div3 not us. They blew your financial blueprint not us, remember that.

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@1 well that makes no sense because if it's a newco by your reasoning they would have done nothing wrong to have sanctions imposed on them .

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@1 the sfa want the newco to accept sanctions as the licence belonged to the oldco, hence continuity of history etc .what the sfa board who regan is only head of, really want to do is force the newco to apply for a new licence and kill the oldco stone dead, history et all. what we must realise is this, regan does not work alone, his other board members must all be in agreeance.only when rangers are dead,whether it be oldco,newco or both will regan resign ,a scapegoat for the other board members who will be as responsible as him

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16 Jul 2012 21:19:46
green is saying he mite have to accept the transfer ban why is he saying this i think because he has no funds to strenghthen our team rangers will be lucky to get out div 3 at this rate so green u must stand up to these bullies

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16 Jul 2012 21:18:17
Tell you exactly what this is all about. I'm of the firm belief that had rangers been voted into the first division then Regan would not have applied any transfer embargo. Now that he is powerless in this situation and if he indeed did push though SPL 2. A vote of no confidence would be put forward resulting in his position being terminated. He has nothing to lose now than have another kick and the dog and in turn hand celtic another year at the top to gather more European cash...further widening the gulf between the two clubs. We all know he's lawells puppet and would serve no further purpose to our east end neighbours. And absolute joke of a man and the organisation he finds himself the head of. Heads should role but I doubt they ever will.

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What is the evidence that Regan is Lawwell's 'puppet' ? Grow up. The world isnt all a conspiracy theory.

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Have you considered the possibility that he wanted Rangers in Division 1 KNOWING that further sanctions were likely? Be it the disrepute charge or the two contracts and that he was trying his damnedest to make sure Rangers were still semi in touch of the relative financial haven of the SPL? I'd say that is the likelier scenario if either of them are remotely possible.

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Here's why! Because Regan wanted rangers in division one for the financial aspect and the £80mil sky deal to stay intact. That's now been taken out of his hands with no way back. He isn't interested in rangers WellFare or future one bit...only the survival of tv and sponsorship. Now all gone so impose more and more knee jerk sanctions onto rangers. Conspiracy...hadly moreso common sense.

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@1 regan and lawell go back a long way having worked together in the past.it is believed that there were "off the record meetings " between them during the lennon referee crisis and before you know it,who's on the sfa board......

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Is this when lenny got a record ban for a scottish manger if that is what you call going back or a puppet god help the dodgy handshake mob ,

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@5 did the sfa not bow down when pmcqc forced them to let the bans not ban run concurrenty reducing his time spent in the stand to less than half... off the record meetings......

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16 Jul 2012 20:41:22
it makes me laugh that as supporters of a 3rd div team with a bare thread squad uz still refer to other scotish teams as wee diddy teams

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Well away and laugh elsewhere why do we slow idiots like you on hear?

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Can someone please tell me what peter lawwell has to do with this. i may be missing something so if you can please inform me

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Peter Lawell sits on the board of the SFA, enough said really. Notice the other board members are keeping their heads down, and letting Regan take all the Flak.

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16 Jul 2012 20:39:38
If rangers can't sign anyone how can we put out a team?

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Someone further down the page posted the rangers squad from last season 60 players. even if 30 leave you will still have a bigger squad than most. east stirlingshire pay their players £35 pw + expenses. that is the standard you have all been asking for . i've said on here before , you should have begged to stay in the spl because with a team of 18 year olds you will struggle in the third. at least in the spl your experienced guys would have stayed and not left for nothing. shamrock

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16 Jul 2012 20:37:58
Why can't we ask to join the English league instead?

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Well you can ask.Just dont expect to get a 'yes' as an answer.

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FIFA rules will not allow it, and the English do not want Rangers.

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Scotland doesn't want Rangers either. It played out its course, ultimately had to expire. It embarrassed the British Authorities and belonged to the past, where it was useful. It is no longer useful going forward.

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16 Jul 2012 18:33:06
just read a post from earlier ,and it said we dont support a club we support a team , how right that post is ,and before anyone disagrees with me face facts we never gave a s**t where the money was coming from as long as murray delivered the players to win trophies , whyte was a very small part of our problem ,we are the biggest part

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16 Jul 2012 20:09:50
Anybody else out there feel like throwing in the towel. We have been kicked by everybody and anybody and then kicked again for good measure. Can't believe Iam sayIng this but I wish Rangers would pack up and go home. This is very very painful to all Gers fans .Someone is holding our heads under the water and is refusing to let us up. {Ed052's Note - keep the head up mate. We will fight till the day is done

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Do you ever get the feeling that they want rid of Rangers for good.

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Well I for one am looking forward to playing wherever the road takes us. I've followed Rangers for years and years, all over Scotland and Europe and look forward to the time when I can take my son on Euro trips in the not-to-distant future. C'mon bears we've got a team to support so let's get on with it.......

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Here's my prediction.
They (SFA) will let us play in Div 3, the humiliation will be too much for them to resist. Once we get within touching distance of the SPL they (SPL & SFA) will hit us with more sanctions that will put us back to Div 3. Once we get near the SPL ..... more sanctions!!
Charles - don't agree to unknown future sanctions FFS

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16 Jul 2012 20:19:05
Ally McCoist is told that Sevco can play in Div3 without any penalties. McCoist hits back saying 'We got penalties every week in the SPL".

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Think you will find once again Celtic get and had the most

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16 Jul 2012 19:25:18
Can someone explain what exactly is this clown who runs the SFA up to. Last week they were falling over themselves to get Rangers into the first division, failed, now they will only issue a licence to play if we accept the transfer embargo in division three? Source stv website.
My heart says we will be playing football again this season but my head is saying different.
And still the Scottish football circus rumbles on.....

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16 Jul 2012 19:10:32
“He has our full support to continue the excellent work undertaken so far in accomplishing the key objectives of our strategic plan, Scotland United: A 2020 Vision. This will remain the Board’s priority as we move forward.

2020 vision haha

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16 Jul 2012 18:18:48
I think you will find there is now a mexican stand off taking place as the SFA have stated that entrance to league 3 is in the proviso that Rangers accept the 12 month Transfer ban! Charles Green hopefully has told them to do one! We are being pushed towards extinction by our own FA. Ed you didn't post my previous message prob cos I got a bit excited but I said this was going to be the case and that we should now be making moves to leave the slow lingering slide towards the footballing abyss that is Scottish football! And before any muppets say it is all our doing......go back to your own site! I say apply for Englands bottom tier and sod them all. Sporting integrity my arse just a bunch of small minded idiots biting the hand that has fed them too well for too long!

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Spot on mate. Let's just do one if that's what they want so much.

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Get a life son. England doesnt need you nor does it want you. !! Consider all the mayhem you have caused on previous visits to England !

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16 Jul 2012 17:48:43
A q for you ED

Charles Green says there are still a number of issues between his Rangers newco and the Scottish Football Association before the club can be granted a membership to play in the Scottish Football League. He also says he doesn't think there is a time limit on getting a licence Surely the club must have the
licence in place before the season starts {Ed052's Note - I think what Charles green is talking about is the sfa have still to decide if they are going to give out sanctions, transfer embargo ,suspension from Scottish cup etc.. There must be a licence granted before we play in any competition.

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16 Jul 2012 18:08:49
Transfer embargo stands in div three!

Green is not agreeing and so goes back to tribunal with prospect of suspension.

This is totally unacceptable to me as a Rangers fan. We were told if div one that it would stand, now in div three and yet still stands.

Yet again the SFA have lost the plot. They promised Green a place in div one, the SFL have put paid to that. The embargo which is illegal cannot be accepted.

The punishments still go on and on and this is just getting stupid.

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16 Jul 2012 17:37:22
Dunfermline should consider 'sporting integrity'
They finished at the bottom so should be relegated.
End off!!

Funny how the likes of Aberdeen in the past and now Dunfermline are looking for a miracle to stay in the top league. Sporting integrity boys!

As far as Im concerned Rangers didnt cheat and
therefore didnt compromise on sporting integrity.
They were not run properly and had financial misgivings
..yes!
I was at their games for the last 15 years and im sure
they only ever had 11 players on the park. No cheating
I could see..sporting integrity maintained.

So I wish all the teams well in the SPL... please use all the same rules when you go bust...

Long live the gers!!

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16 Jul 2012 17:50:07
Charles Green is your ideal frontman, eloquint , well spoken, says the right things. That is why he is a frontman, but a frontman for who.? we need to know who the so called money men behind Green are, if they exist and what the business plan is

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16 Jul 2012 17:41:58
Just when everything looked as though it was settling down, this is reported on STV website: -

"Rangers’ prospects of playing in the Third Division remain uncertain because of a stand-off between the Scottish FA and Charles Green over conditions attached to the transfer of the club’s membership.

STV understands Sevco Scotland Limited is currently unwilling to accept the imposition of a 12-month signing embargo, originally placed upon the club by the governing body on May 11.

The Scottish FA want Green to accept the punishment as a condition of membership transfer, despite Lord Glennie ruling at a Court of Session hearing on May 29 that they had acted outwith their powers in imposing the ban on the club.

An appellate tribunal was told to reconvene to discuss a different sanction from within the rule book. This is currently on hold, with Green having the option to ask for membership to be transferred in exchange for the tribunal meeting again.

The sanctions available to the panel are unlikely to be palatable to the club, as they include the potential suspension or expulsion of the club from the Scottish game, as well as a possible exclusion from the Scottish Cup.

Should Green refuse to meet the Scottish FA’s demands, he will be forced to apply for a completely new membership not tied to the former club.

However, as Sevco Scotland Limited does not meet the financial requirements set down to join the organisation, they would not be eligible and would not be able to play football in Scotland.

If Green accepts for the signing ban to be imposed, Rangers will take up a place as an associate member of the Scottish Football League and will play in the Third Division this season. Clubs must have membership of the national association to play in a league.

Conditions of transfer

The Scottish FA have made clear to Green that they will only transfer Rangers’ membership to his new company if he agrees to the imposition of the registration ban.

If he refuses, the governing body will either transfer the membership but allow their appellate tribunal to reconvene, leaving open the possibility of Rangers either being suspended from the game for an indefinite period or being thrown out of the game altogether.

Should Green decline those conditions, the Scottish FA will refuse to transfer the membership and, as Sevco Scotland Limited do not meet the necessary requirements, Rangers will not play professional football in Scotland at least for the next year.

The Scottish FA also want Green to agree to pay all outstanding football debt as another condition of the membership being transferred.

They also want the new company to take responsibility for any sanctions later imposed by the Scottish Premier League following its investigation into alleged non-contractual payments to players.

At a meeting on Monday, Green told Ibrox employees there would be a “staffing review” following the decision of the Scottish Football League to place the club in the Third Division for the 2012/13 season.

Mac2.

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Seriously, theyre crying about lost income from our drop to div3 then in the next breath we may not even make div3 ! CheltBlue

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Does anyone else think Regan is a bit pi$$ed off at us?

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Quite simple - no way, bunch of jokers that sfa mob.

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16 Jul 2012 17:18:27
Ithink the whole of Scottish football is doomed unless there are changes.And its not just because of the Rangers situation.I just cant see it surviving in the present format.Lets just have 2 leagues with 2 up 2 down then 1 play off.This is successful in england why not have a go here

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Why would a two league set up be more of a commercial success that the SPL?
Suddenly the SPL isn't fit for purpose because Rangers is in the third divans not cheating the title every year.
Guess a top two league set up would have to include new club Rangers? And they wouldn't have to start in the bottom league?

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2 leagues of 16 teams, regional from there down. Simples. CheltBlue

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16 Jul 2012 17:16:54
Amid all the doom and gloom bet Ramsdens can't believe their luck at all this publicity! Forget Sky and ESPN let's cut a deal with BBC Alba! "When the gers go up to lift the Ramsdens cup..We'll be there..."

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16 Jul 2012 16:15:41
Scottish football is becoming a complete joke now. I live in England these days, and people down here just joke about Scottish football. They cannot believe that the SPL and SFA have put Rangers down to Div 3. In England they are only interested in the Old Firm games.
I am worried about Rangers support in the coming years, I’m sure most diehard Rangers fans will encourage their children to support Rangers, but I can see a lot of kids will start to support English teams. The SPL will be a joke without Rangers and young kids won’t want to see the below par football we will be playing in Div 3.
One thing that has never really been mentioned in the press is what has happened to all the youth teams through the liquidation process? A few have been promoted to the 1st team, like Barry McKay.
Does anyone know what’s happened to the younger youth players? Are they will on Rangers books or have they left too? As these players are Rangers future, and we can’t progress without them.
At this point I am worried we can actually fill a squad for our 1st game, but if we have youth players, then at least we can field a team!

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Lets be honest Scottish football and its governing bodies have been a joke for years mate. Time every single person in a relatively high position in the SFA etc was sacked.

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Great post I have seen all rangers teams from 12-19s and they have some really talented boys.Would be a tragedy if they were free to leave gers !

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It remains to be seen what Scottish football will be like without Rangers.

The immediate problem Newco have is obtaining a license from the SFA. Without a license Newco will not be a football club.

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No one has put rangers into division three.A new club is being allowed to start in that division.Rangers will be liquidated soon.

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Ive lived 35 years in england and a lot of people here have always thought scottish football is a joke. They are wrong, and they have always been wrong. They plundered it for decades. If some of them cant see that rangers were liquidated for insolvency and the newco made to start at the bottom as per the rules then too bad. Ive always stood up for the scottish game and know many here who dont run it down. Ive been to all the big grounds and been to dozens of games here and many were atmosphere free bores.

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Scottish football isn't a joke mate. It's Rangers that's the joke.
The SPL requires a commercial reset to sort a new economic footing going forward. This should take the form of credit write downs via administrations for several clubs.
With the clubs laying off expensive employees, including board members.
Lastly Scottish football will have the highest integrity quotient in Europe after Campbell Ogilvie and Regan get the push.

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How many of the youngsters in this squad are still with Rangers?

RANGERS SQUAD 2011/12

1 Allan McGregor
2 Dorin Goian
4 Kirk Broadfoot
5 Sasa Papac
6 Lee McCulloch
7 Maurice Edu
8 Steven Davis (captain)
10 John Fleck
11 Kyle Lafferty
12 Lee Wallace
14 Steven Naismith
15 David Healy
16 Steven Whittaker
18 Carlos Bocanegra
20 Matt McKay
21 Alejandro Bedoya
22 Kyle Bartley
25 Neil Alexander
26 Jamie Ness
28 Salim Kerkar
30 Scott Gallacher
31 Grant Adam
32 Ross Perry
34 Andrew Little
35 Kyle Hutton
36 Darren Cole
37 Christoper Hegarty
38 Kane Hemmings
39 Gordon Dick
40 Andrew Mitchell
41 Rhys McCabe
42 Kal Naismith
46 Kamil Wiktorski
47 Tom Skogsrud
48 Kim Skogsrud
49 Kyle McAusland
50 Alan Smith
51 Blair Currie
52 Ewan McNeil
53 Anthony Marenghi
54 Robert Crawford
55 Adam Hunter
56 Adel Gafaiti
57 Gregor Fotheringham
58 Lewis MacLeod
59 Sam McMahon
60 Joshua Robinson
61 Jack Werndly
62 Callum Wyllie
63 Fredrik Espling
64 Marc Dyer
65 Robbie McIntyre
66 Matthew Clarke
70 Jordan Wilson
71 Stuart Urquhart
74 Andrew Murdoch
76 Darren Ramsay
79 Jamie Burrows

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Totally agree mate, I was saying that I would continue to go to the games etc but so sick of all the hatred towards rangers I am so sick of it. Also they sill want us I take a transfer embargo? WTF? We have 6 players!

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One good thing to come out of this is the chance to see our home grown players,there might be a few gems.

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At 4.)so if it's a newco why are the sfa trying to impose sanctions from oldco onto newco?Await your learned answer.

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A)10, it's because Rangers have applied to SFA for old clubs membership, so SFA is saying you can have old club's penalties then.
If you want to apply to SFA for a new membership then u don't qualify. And won't get it.
The issue isn't linked to History. The history is well and truly gone with the old club for several other previously explained reasons.

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@11 so theres no history attached to the old co licence,the same licence the team that won 54 titles used before going into administration, the same licence cg bought for £1 with the assets,THE SAME LICENCE CG WANTS TO TRANSFER TO THE NEW CO,THE SAME LICENCE THE SFA WANT TO ATTACH SANCTIONS TO,do you know what the word history actually means,or is it just a word in one of your favourite songs.....

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16 Jul 2012 16:13:39
the 3rd div is for very bad footballers.
i run an amatuer side that are not bad, but amateur.
We played East Stirlings 1st team in a pre season friendly 2 years ago and beat them 4-1 it is a shocking standard of football, far worse than the mid range juniors

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16 Jul 2012 16:09:45
Scottish football is becoming a complete joke now. I live in England these days, and people down here just joke about Scottish football. They cannot believe that the SPL and SFA have put Rangers down to Div 3. In England they are only interested in the Old Firm games.
I am worried about Rangers support in the coming years, I’m sure most diehard Rangers fans will encourage their children to support Rangers, but I can see a lot of kids will start to support English teams. The SPL will be a joke without Rangers and young kids won’t want to see the below par football we will be playing in Div 3.
One thing that has never really been mentioned in the press is what has happened to all the youth teams through the liquidation process? A few have been promoted to the 1st team, like Barry McKay.
Does anyone know what’s happened to the younger youth players? Are they will on Rangers books or have they left too? As these players are Rangers future, and we can’t progress without them.
At this point I am worried we can actually fill a squad for our 1st game, but if we have youth players, then at least we can field a team!

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So the english dont know the rules either.
the spl and sfa never
put anyone in div 3
a newco went into div 3 as the rules say.

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16 Jul 2012 15:42:33
"My suggestion - boycott every away league game we play in Div 1, 2, and 3, and pack Ibrox to the rafters for home games."
May be mistaken but is there not a deal in place that sees gate reciepts split evenly between the clubs now? Any help on this would be appreciated and if so then whats the point in boycotting away games? Personally I'm looking forward to going to new places and stadiums, cant beat the buzz of an away day.

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Agreed 100! Mate don't know why anyone would press disagree baffles me.!

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16 Jul 2012 15:35:48
Seems to me that more and more fans are intent on revenge than anything else!!

Surely we must continue to support our club the way we have in years gone by. What message would it sent to the players if they travelled to Peterhead on a cold December's day and no Rangers fans bothered to make the trip due to this suggested boycott?? Absolute disgrace!!!

The message we should be sending out as a club is one of unity and commitment. How can we every come back with our heads held high is we failed to support our players and club on the road because we were seeking revenge because a few clubs had a wee dig at us when we were down??!!

I for 1 will strive to make as many away games as possible and continue to pump money into the club through season ticket money, strips and merchandise. How will we ever recover if our focus is on making other clubs suffer rather than help ours thrive?

J1985

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No problem giving my money to SFL clubs. No SPL club will see a dime from me though.

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That's all fine and dandy, if the money is going into the club....point missed again i think.

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I should also say as a Rangers supporter of 30+ years and having had a season ticket for 25+ years I will not be paying any of my money to Rangers either until it is established who owns what and where my money would be going. Ticketus, Whyte and god knows who else still seem to be involved. IMO Green is a total conman, lied constantly since the day he took over. I will not give one penny to any of them. The newco is dead before it has even got of the ground, a shambles from start to finish.

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Think you should think about the current players none of this is there fault and by not going to games how can these youngsters possibly get us back to sl without our backing and support.your point to an extent is valid and I agree with you about green,and the rest but it's still our rangers the fans club and we need to support in whatever way we can.

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16 Jul 2012 15:28:26
True Rangers fans would have given more than they could afford to have provented what we have witnessed the last few months . What we lacked was a leader, someone to take the helm, to inspire us. Walter Smith, Paul Murray, Jim mccoll all false dawns. My overwhelming feeling about this tragic event is that we all sat back and did nothing. Hasn't it went quiet, nobody really speaking up for us anymore. We have accepted the very very preventable.

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We should not have liquidated in the first place as players should have been sold to cover debt

duff and duffer have a lot to answer for

as do the sfa and spl for allowing this to happen to any club

£20M debt is all we owed at that time

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True Rangers fans knew that Murray and Whyte had broken rules . IMO, true Rangers fan's know that the only credible way back from this fiasco is to take our punishment on the chin and rebuild our reputation . I'm sure even wealthy Rangers fans can see that
VHSS

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100% mate...i'm sick.
We..the fans were far to submissive, i posted about how we could easily have bought the club, but you're right, amazingly enough, we have sat back and let this happen.
There was a demo with about 5,000 then some wee mini gatherings, there should have been at least 50,000 making themselves heard constantly...no fan power whatsoever, and in posting, i include myself as one of the many who could and should have done more.
We should own the club by now, no question...we need to have a serious look at ourselves.

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United fan here - tin hat at the ready. Not here to dance on any grave by the way.

Couldn't agree more with OP. I’ve wonder why a supporter based bid never materialised. There seemed to be a lot on momentum from fans for a supporter-owned bid.

Regardless of whether you guys started life in the 1st or the 3rd, you could have offered 9m in a CVA or more than the 5.5 that Green stole the assets for. Imagine if RST/RFF etc had collectively called on all your 40000+ season tickets holders to renew at £500 for the first season. £300 towards the running costs = £12m towards season 2012/3. The other £200 towards buying a share in the club = £8m-ish for the bid.

You would have owned your own club and then self governed the re-alignment of your season tickets prices the year after, depending on the division you guys are in.

Real shame. I for one will miss United / Rangers matches. Been good entertainment over the past 5 or years!

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#1 You can't sell players whilst in administration all accounts and assets are frozen.

The SFA and SPL have nothing to do with your demise. Your club hid accounts from SPL/SFA when you used EBT's in the wrong way.

£20M debt, haha quadruple it and you might be closer.

No one to blame but yourselves.

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1. Youre right. The players should have been sold. If the club had been saved none of this would have gone down. 3rd div. Disgrace.whyte organised all this but thought the 41 would roll over.

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16 Jul 2012 14:55:07
For all the idiots that come on here and say Rangers owed 130m, what a load of pure p***.
For a start, the big tax case is ''still'' undecided, after 4 months ,SO IT CANT BE A CERT.
Rangers had brought the debt down to a very manageable 18m from 36m in only 2-3 years , and the business side was profitable.
Whyte sunk the club by deliberately not paying PAYE and VAT for last season.
Rangers should never be anywhere near liquidation, it's a disgrace.
How simple is this,(and i'm no business guru) if 50,000 fans , (which we get every other week anyway, so it's not a false number) pay £500 each, which most pay anyway for a season ticket.
That gives you 25 f****** million quid in the pot, from our own fans.
Double that 500, as a one off payment of £1,000 for one season only, and you have 50,000000 YES! 50 million pounds, from fans who go to the games anyway.
I'm astonished that this or similar never happened, because ''the fans'' could have had the club very easily, if we had been determined and got the finger out.
Then you just appoint a good trustworthy board, and we all own the club.
Green bought the lot for 5.5m, and we could have raised 25m,- 50m, readily! and been in control of our own destiny.
F*** sake, we are paying for the season tickets anyway...
Maybe we should all take a look at ourselves, for a massive opportunity lost.

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Fact:After calling in administrators and staff taking large wage cuts........... Rangers still manage to make a £3.5 plus million loss in the period upto end June12.
Your calculations in a buisness sense are somewhat flawed...in the fact that you actually believe that 50,000 fans have actually got the amount you need to "float" your company. Taken into consideration that there is a percentage of fans who are under 16 so have no income.. and another porportion who are unemployed and another proportion who are low wage earners your figures dont add up in fact are you Messers , Murray & Whytes old accountant? Take look at todays Rangers fighting fund and how much it has brought in since the trouble began? then multiply this by prehaps 3 then you may get a true figure of how much money fans could afford to buy the club? or to keep it going .

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You seem to be forgetting,as most fans have,that HMRC are/were owed at least £24m.Rangers agreed to this figure and the dispute is over penalties and interest.This might come back and bite Green if BDO decide that there is something untoward in his buying price of the assets.HMRC may take the assets back and resell to the highest bidder,make no mistake this might get even messier.

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Some of you will be looking and getting the calculators out, because that doesn't look right.
I done it myself to be honest.
It's crazy, and that's not even going beyond fans who go and pay every other week anyway.

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Oh dear oh dear still the denials of reality come. First of, D&P put the figure of £134m in the accounts they published, THEY factored in the potential £80m to HMRC, your own administrators!

Secondly Murray tried a share issue and it was a total disaster. The Rangers Fighting Fund (why always the militaristic, macho tone?) while noble in cause, raised bugger all really. You wont get nothing near 50,000 a week, guaranteed. A lot at the start and a lot should they win the title at the end but inbetween there will be 18,000 crowds etc. 28,000 for Malmo last season, 17,000 for cup v Dun. Utd. packed Ibrox every week wont happen.

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True m8,where was the loyal fans in time of need?all thought WERE too big for admin or liquidation!sat back watched armagedon& protested about a year to late,All the figures put on the debt are just guesses from the thousands of accountants who suddenly appeared on these forums!!whyte with held the payment of tax,so could get rfc too the end of season,& should have sold off the star palyers in december,yet all walked away for nowt,denying rfc off millions...still loads of untold lies& corruption in this saga& when BDO officaly start the liquidation process,the truth will out!!stevo

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@2 You are another one. The BTC is an appeal against an HMRC bill for back dated tax and interest. RFC appealed the whole lot, they did not agree on any amount. If they had there wouldn't have been an appeal.
@4 Militaristic, macho tone? what about your Green Brigade? cant imagine many members of that were in the Boys Brigade so I wonder what other organisation uses Brigade as a term?

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The bottom line is that without sustained European income, Rangers turnover was around £35m a year with operating costs of £45m.

The business was loss making and unsustainable.

With regard to getting bank debt down, that wasn't good fiscal management by Rangers, it was sustained pressure from Lloyds Bank including putting one of their bankers on the Rangers board.

Mac2.

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I was wondering, if Regan and Doncaster had not been so gutless and just told Whyte straight that if he put the club into Administration/Liquidation then it would be relegation to Div 3 as per the rule book, whether or not he would have taken this course of action so readily rather than trying to look at alternative ways to raise revenue in order to met the clubs debts, as they then stood.

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OK
Let's simplify it then, since most of you, especially the timothy's are a wee bit dense.

Let's say we did owe all that.

The fact of the matter is.

The fans could be sitting in the same position as Green is, having done what Green did, and even if the 40,000 season ticket holders paid only 500 each,into the pot,(they were paying there tickets anyway) that would have given us the small sum of 20 million pounds sterling.
Green bought Ibrox Murray Park etc and all the other assets for 5.5m.
So the fans could be sitting owning the newco in the 3rd div with ibrox etc, and 14-15m to start off with for a good launch pad, and in control.
We could have raised 20m easily, Green bought for 5.5m

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& with all these calculations,everyone seems to forget the hundreds left with nothing,due too the oldco's corrupt ways,how many of these companies have went bust,job losses etc...stevo

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I dont disagree with what your saying op, i have said the same on this website before, but what i will add is we can still do this. We just form a new club altogether with a bank balance of 20m funded by the cash we fans would have payed anyway to greens company. What third division new club started with 50000 fans and a load cash in the bank. What green has done doesnt appeal to me and is not the club i support anymore. I dont like the noises coming from him one bit.

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@10 P!ss off stevo max, when RFC were in admin you couldn't wait for the liquidation, and not your buckie, dont start the moral argument of job losses. You were screaming for liquidation and enjoying it.

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No one was screaming for it,just told you for many a month its a certainty too happen!!but hey your denia& firm stance on its all timmy propoganda,hmmmmm..stevo

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16 Jul 2012 14:45:56
Now that we know what division we are in does that means we can begin to talk football? (I know we still need an SFA licence.) Am a right in thinking SFL clubs have no transfer window and can sign players at any time, also I think trialists are allowed to be played in competitive matches. If that is the case could we get some old retired players to say come on as a sub at home games it would be a good way to increase sales. Gazza says he wants to play but as someone said I doubt he'd last 5 mins, but people like Giovani Van Bronkhorst, Michael Mols and Ronald De Boer certainly could. Gio in particular still has the fitness levels to play at SFL 3 level with ease. Probably plenty I'm forgetting.

GovanFR

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You cant expect these guys to risk an injury for that level of football? If they are retired and have claimed their pension the insurance rate would make it impossible.

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Govan FR, are you being serious? These guys do not owe your club old or new anything. Think of the standard of both the pitches (especially in winter) and the standard of player in the 3rd division. They would be risking their careers and health and for what reward, how would you be able to pay them anything like a decent salary?
Then there is the poster above talking about 50,000 of you putting in £1000, er your RFFF only raised £400k
Do you honestly think that 50,000 fans will pay their season ticket to watch pub football in div 3? Timalloy

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So Giovani Van Bronkhorst, Michael Mols and Ronald De Boer are going to give up their lives and families in their home countries, move to Scotland and play Div 3 football.

Watch out GovanFR, the men in the white coats are looking for you.

Mac2.

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Were they not the ones whose exorbitant wages started all this ?

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Calm down Mac2, I meant in a similar way to how they played in a legends game last season, a one off appearance. And to the second poster I didn't say they owe the club anything. Just a footballing idea, thought it might be a change from talking business and SFA/SPL politics given this is a football site.

GovanFR

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16 Jul 2012 14:34:29
How come peope want the Newco to recieve sanctions and punishments for the Oldco, even though we are a new club starting out in the bottom division.
However, when it comes to things like player contracts and payment for last season etc, Rangers are due nothing?
Give the Newco sanctions, but anything else that doesnt involve punishment is the old co's.
FFS talk about 'cake & eat it, it's got to be one or the other.
WATP

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Newco hasn't received any punishment yet. SEVCO and fans want to retain history, that's where the cake and eat it comes in.

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You are a new club, your words not mine, presumably with no titles, no history etc. Make your mind up, what do you want, history and silverware or no further sanctions to the club? You cant have it both ways. For me The Rangers, sevco 5088 whatever you want to call them is still Rangers and I say that as a Celtic fan who has witnessed some of those trophies being won. My definition of "cake and eat it" would be 54 titles (which may change) and no sanctions due to being a "new club". Pick a stance and stick by it, I know I have.
Gaz

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@1 That's the point dumb nuts, we are a newco. Hit us with penalties from the oldco and we will have our history. The sfa and spl have spent time and no doubt money on their 'investigations' they will want something to punish and that should be the oldco, easy enough.

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Newco went outwith footballing lobbies and took sfa to court simple

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16 Jul 2012 14:11:41
So it's div 3 we all knew that it's 1st league match of season is against Peterhead no for the love of f**%#€g god can we please play some football so I and ever other true blue can support our beloved team......

Paul

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What is the score with sevcos tops do they need to get new ones or can they were rangers old ones {Ed052's Note - Not sure what will happen yet mate. hopefully we get answers on sponsors, strips,Players,etc this week

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16 Jul 2012 13:59:48
Boycott all away game full ibrox every home game let the rest rot

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Dont you understand,you are now one of the rest.

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Glad its over now to get back to the fitba. Personally I wont be doing boycotts or anything like that but I will not be following the SPl or any of its games reports, I am not even interested in what happens in that league now as my main interest will be in Div 3. I wonder if the Celtic fans (decent ones excluded) on this site will now leave us to enjoy our new adventure and league or if their manic obsession with all things Rangers will continue. Here's to the future and if we all stick together we will find ourself on the top again in whatever league structure may remain.

Ozzie Al

Ozzie Al

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Aye, all the boycotts have served us so well over the last couple of years.

Seriously, if you don't want to see any away games then fine, I aim to go to quite a few and look forward to doing so.

Bitterness only breeds more bitterness and it works both ways, we could do with a couple of thousand away supporters inside Ibrox during the coming years but why would they come if all Rangers supporters were boycotting their home games?

BARNEY BEAR

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I wont be goin to any away games only cos i cant afford it lol...
Stop being bitter pal and lets get excited for the new season..it'll be fun and a new adventure for us all...and it wont be a walk in the park either i think its gonna be an exciting season....

Tam-Sir 1873 Onwards and Upwards I hope lol...

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16 Jul 2012 13:25:40
Personallly its a disgrace the waythis is being handled as a celtic man i hoped rangers would stay in spl not for money but i loved watching celtic and rangers i hope to see rangers back sooon so good luck and hurry back because ross county 8 times a season isnt spl football so a want to see rangers back to where they belong

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Problem is mate the majority of Celtic fans want us out of business completely no matter what the consequences o your own cub or the wider Scottish football. I have honestly lost the appetite for football after this, may not go back at all.

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16 Jul 2012 13:27:48
Don't understand why on this site, you have to act like you actually like your rivals...nonsense, i hate Celtic f c and everything they stand for, hate them as a club and an institution...everything about them, and i want them done in in Europe and any games they play in, all the time.
I have loads of Celtic fan pals, and i 'like' them, play golf with them, and have a drink with them, but they know i hate their club....nothing wrong with that.
WATP....Always.

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Theres nothing wrong with it except pure hatred what did celtic ever do to you.Im a rangers man to and i dont like or dislike celtic they aint my team so i aint bothered.The only time i hope they get a doin is when they play us and that aint going to happen for a couple of years so i will do what every rangers supporter should do forget about celtic.I personally am looking forward to hampden being packed to the rafters for the oldest derby game in scotland.

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You're not a real Rangers man then, if you hope the only time they get a doing is when they play us...total garbage.
Even Souness said....''do i want Celtic to do well in Europe ?'' his answer....''i don't want Celtic to do well anytime'' and that's when he was on Sky.
It's called rivalry mate...not sectarianism, bigotry or anything else,'rivalry' so if you only care if we beat them, then go and cheer them on in their other games.
Too much of this love thy neighbour p***.
You seem to forget how many in Scottish football voted against us...why? because they 'hate' us, don't kid yourself on.

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I agree OP because I'm similarly minded to your club. I don't hate individuals as such, they have to have done something in particular to deserve that passion but as a club it is fair to say I don't have much time for you lol. And I hate "Celtic fan coming in peace" buggar that OP eh? I'm like you, if you get a chance to get the boot in fire away. All the best to you, way too PC in here some folk :)

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So what is it u hate bout what Celtic " stand for" OP? The fact that they were founded as a help to Glasgows poor? The fact that they have always been an inclusive club open to everyone? Suppose ud still have it the way the old rangers did for 117 years? Still they're gone now so no chance that'd happen anyway! L1888

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@4 inclusive to everyone as players,but at board level,check that history you always sing about,your greatest ever manager,what position was he offered?I wonder why......

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16 Jul 2012 13:23:02
Bring on the 3rd division we will walk that league done by November come on we are the people

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We've still to get a team together, so I wouldn't be too sure of that just yet. Our first season may be a nightmare if we don't get ourselves sorted.

DO

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Walk it if u can get a team u might. once again u show no respect 2 other teams and u wonder why teams voted u down

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16 Jul 2012 13:21:10
The latest decision, might just put the Scottish game into perspective.
The team 'Dundee' who have just been ''invited'' into the SPL have been in administration not once, but twice in only the last seven years, and the last time, only two seasons ago...but hey! they are now one of Scotlands elite, you really couldn't make it up....it's brilliant.

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And the club they replaced were liquidated cos they could not pay their debt.Hows that for perspective?

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You're right.....no one said any different, just shows you the state of the game when a team in admin twice in 7 years are back in the SPL, after paying creditors next to nothing, not much difference, and Motherwell who simply dumped players on the street, who had bills to pay....aye, it's all good....cannae wait for doomsday.

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@1 how many p in the £ was it dundee paid? 6p i think it was, iwish i could get away with that if you consider that to be paying your debt.

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Dundee got the same punishment rangers got for going into administration

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16 Jul 2012 13:10:55
Sky have issued an apology to Rangers fans. Someone typed wrongly on the ticker tape "Watch Rangers in 3D when it was meant to say watch Rangers in D3"

Ian

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And how many times can this poor excuse for a joke be posted?

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That's a week old mate,....you been on holiday and just got back?

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You been on holiday mate that jokes been doing the rounds since friday honestly keep up

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16 Jul 2012 13:08:51
I am not anti-rangers but may be seen as hard hearted .TRFC(IA) are victims of their own actions .There have been no punishments yet , only consequences for financial mismanagement -punishments will follow if you are found guilty of rule breaking .As for peoples jobs , I have been in their position with a company that was brought to its knees by other businesses failing to pay bills and it is definitely not nice but nobody died . Yes the footballing authorities in Scotland are a joke but that was illustrated by the way they bent over backwards to accomodate your team in the face of rules that indicated a different response and the way they are trying to "fix" procedings now. I think the way forward is for TRFC(IA) to be suspended from football for a year(disrepute conviction), ask for the same for the dual contracts and serve it concurrently, come back to the newly-established SPL2 with whatever name you are allowed to use and go forward to future glories . My daughter is a Rangers fan and she is hurting as well but you've got to remember that this fiasco was caused by Rangers men ,trying to give Rangers fans what they wanted and it is now time to pay the piper . The truth is thaat a company with about 200 employees went tits up owing lots of millions of pounds . Happens frequently in business and nobody usually bats an eyelid . As I said to my lassie , you are welcome at Firhill,your local team(yes,we voted against but it's just business)until things settle down and we can get on with the football .

Paddy Malarkey

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I think the sfa etx where bending over backwards not for the benefit of trfc but for their own finacial gains, and if we are to be punished for the oldco surley we should keep the history, cant have your cake and eat it mate. bick eck

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Here is another wanting to punish TRFC for something they are not responsible for. I'm going to tell you whats been told to everyone else who said this. You cannot punish TRFC for something which was done by the old company. The Old Company is going into liquidation. Once again, if Burger King went into liquidation and McDonalds bought out their assets you wouldn't punish McDonalds for the misdeeds of Burger King. Thats just completely stupid.

In other words Charles Green has done nothing wrong (yet), in order to be punished. So forget all about the "punishing TRFC by banning them from playing football" rubbish, because it's not going to happen.

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I agrre with 2 any further punishment should be aimed at the old defunct Rangers owners and not Savco.

Ian

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As the OP , just like to say the history thing means nothing to me and I never mentoned it . As for the oldco/newco thing and punishments , you really need to be some kind of masochist if you don't want all this pain to be over .

Paddy Malarkey

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Well for a start TRFC(IA) as you've stated aren't in administration. You've mentioned the wrong club.

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So who is in administration and awaitingliqidation then ?

Paddy Malarkey

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16 Jul 2012 12:34:26
What is happening with the 3 American players?

Mac2.

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16 Jul 2012 12:18:29
Sell out Saturday aye right then it will last for a week or two what right have the sheep got to tell other fan groups to get supporters to games a lot of folk are out of work and can't afford to go to games the best thing about it that I was a bricky working for Stewart Milne 2 weeks ago bang paid off word has it that Aberdeen will be one of the first clubs that will struggle milnes businesses are on the brink

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Lets just have a we look at the true potential financial situation of the SPL minus rangers

Seasonal losses (estimate)

Sky Deal = 16 million
Other sponsors (program advertising etc: = 2.7 million
6000 average away tickets @ $20.00 = 120.000 X 22 games in league = 2.64 million

Cup games 8 home games @ 30.00 x 20.000 = 4.800.000

Cup games (away ) 8 games @ 20 X 6000 = 960.000

merchandising / programs/ catering and other royalties 2.5 million

Youth and exhibition friendlies etc 1.5 million

loss to pubs, clubs newspapers, local businesses etc 2.5 million

Total 33.574.000

Admittedly these figures are an approximation but do not include ticket sales finals etc which also have to be considered. This is an example of the finances which are no longer associated with the SPl with rangers removal. personally I think it is a conservative estimate of the financial damage. good luck with their "Sell Out Saturday Campaign"
I wish you well but you will have to have a season full of Sell Out Saturday's to even come halfway to that mark and continue that for the next four seasons.

meanwhile Rangers can generate this season after season and really contribute to the Scottish Football League clubs in helping these local communities and football clubs to thrive. Follow Follow we will follow on Penicook or Peterhead we will follow on, for there is not a team like the Famous Rangers no not one and there never shall be one. Wonder if the SPL chairmen have done thier sums?

Ozzie Al

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Totally agree the SPL will lose money how much i dont know but you have to be sensible and realize it could be quite bad.But this is the point why should we care we are no longer there so it does not concern us anymore.It is not our fault or our problem and if teams go bust they only have themselves to blame.

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Ozzie Al where on earth did you get 6,000 away fans from, I looked at one game last season to disprove your point, St Mirren v Rangers December 24 2011, attendance 6,711 (only 711 buds at it?) Short of 7-7,500 at Parkhead you take nothing near 6,000 to away games, televised away games for the old firm, mayeb Hearts and Aberdeen aside barely break 7 or 8,000 and both of them have good home supports, utter nonsense.

Secondly, 8 cup ties? Very optimistic don't you think? I believe it was three last year, with a pitiful crowd of 17,822 at the Dundee Utd game.

There was nothing "approximate" about your figures, approximate indicates relatively close, your figures were approximate to la la land. By the way your spelling of Penicuik was fairly approximate too.
Gaz

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16 Jul 2012 11:56:27
just seen hateleys bit in the record doing 4in a row will be better than 9 in a row i dont no what planet this guy is on or what he is on if he thinks sevco r going 2 win the spl at first attempt he is in cloud coo coo land.

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Have a look at the team!! .....win 4 in a row, if we were invited back to spl ...its would be a public flogging! then relegated

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16 Jul 2012 11:54:17
Ref: "I have argued black is white with
Miko, Timalloy etc. during our troubles"
J1985, I saw your post yesterday and
thought it was a good post from a
decent fan, we all enjoy banter but
now is not time for this.
If more fans were like with your attitude
you would have found more friends
among Scottish footbal fans of every
team.
All you can do now is support your
team as a genuine fan, and hope that
when you come back to SPL you have
decent people in charge. Timalloy

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Not a too un sensible post from you for a change Timmaloy. Sorry to hear you do not agree with yourself as your post states. Is the "Timmaloy" you argue with the decent one or the bitter and vile one which sometimes makes snide comments on this forum?

Ozzie Al

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Cheers Timalloy.

Look forward to the day we are back in the SPL and resume with the banter.

J1985

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OP - Read your posts on your own page.
You are a waste of space.

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16 Jul 2012 11:03:47
Morning all, does anybody have a link to or a full list of our actual current squad?

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I asked this yesterday mate, and got 6 disagree's, but still nobody named a squad.

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Alexander, Goian, Wallace, Bocanegra, Broadfoot, Hegarty, Cole, Perry, McCulloch, Edu, Bedoya, Hutton, Naismith, Mitchell, Hemmings, McKay although I'm not sure how accurate this is! {Ed052's Note - Goian will be off

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Haaha, very good, but clicking disagree doesn't mean we have a team to put on the park.
All this bravado about re-building from the bottom might come back to bite us on the a***, because we don't have a squad in place, and ''still'' have a transfer embargo, with the season starting next Saturday.
This whole debacle is a disaster for our great club, make no mistake, and we may never return to anything near what we were.

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Boca Goian Edu are off mate
As for Darren Cole, he couldn't get a game on loan to Thistle last season, but i suppose he might do us a turn in the bottom div

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16 Jul 2012 11:23:11
I look forward to playing some of our SPL 'friends in the lower divisions' in the not so distant future. What goes around comes around. The blinkered anti-Rangers obsession in this country is backed up by the number of posts here from non Rangers fans who only want to see them suffer and can't see the bigger picture. Honest decent people will lose their jobs and multi millions will be lost to the game in the midst of a recession.
Who will want to watch a one donkey race in the next few years. Not many! Ross County vs Kilmarnock Inverness vs St Johnstone. I am sure Sky and world football are looking forward to live screenings of these games. no wonder the SFA and SPL chairmen are starting to panic. Rangers have taken their punishment with dignity but other teams seem intent on dancing on their grave and will ultimately pay for this. The whole handling of the Rangers issue by the authorities has been a disgrace and make Scottish football a laughing stock. The attitude of 'I dont care if my clubs goes under as long as Rangers get whats coming' sums up Scottish football to me. What chance have we got. Rangers deserved to be severely punished for past sins but we need a reality check. I look forward to seeing the sanctions facing other clubs when they go down a similar road.

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Wish Murray and Whyte and Duff & Phelps had acted with dignity too. As for Regan and Doncaster they should go and get a job that is not beyond their abilities.

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What u on about lots of honest people lost jobs because of what rangers done and no one is dancing on the grave of rangers what punishment have rangers had if u start again u have 2 go to the 3rd last year 10points duduc 160.000 fine for going into addmin so u tell me what punishment has been handed out

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"....Honest decent people will lose their jobs and multi millions will be lost to the game in the midst of a recession."

£130m already lost and small creditors probably had to lay staff off as well. This was caused by Rangers so you can understand "non Rangers fans" reaction as we all now have to suffer as well!

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Point 2) u are dillusional and blinkered and you reply is nonsense. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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@2 A 10 point deduction and a £160,000 fine are PUNISHMENTS. Yes, they are punishments that are set by the rules of the game but still they are punishments. Are far as I'm concerned all punishments should be laid out in the rules anyway. Nothing extra should be made up the spot without the rules of the game. That would be just stupid.

DO

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16 Jul 2012 10:52:35
wot happened to all the legends like Albertz,Amo,Laudrup etc who were going to come to the rescue all talk no action ps is GAZZA still signing also just enoyed watching the LAST OLD FIRM game ever

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Stop living in the past gazza would not last 5mins on the park

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All was fine till BBC named and shamed them as EBT beneficiaries. Now they've "walked away"

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16 Jul 2012 09:17:55
heard a rumour that no matter what division we play in we are still gonna be one of the most talked about/hated teams in the country, when it comes down to it all clubs have those fans who dont really care about football, in my own opinion i couldnt give a crap about history, i want to watch a team i have chosen to support play football, that is all. if that means changing everything about the club (other than the colours we wear) i would be happy to say, this is the club that rose from the ashes of the old rangers with the help and support of its loyal fans

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16 Jul 2012 00:40:02
Think liewell might sacrifice Regan hoping that we will accept this as a victory and agree to not playing in third division we must say no not enough third for us its the right way

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See problem is we have still no license and they dirty corrupt bams at the SFA will bribe us to do whatever they want.It is really becoming a nightmare and sometimes i wonder if it would not just be better to pack it in all together.Anyway the new rangers are coming to my town COWDENBEATH to play against junior team Kelty hearts and i must admit my wee boy is well excited about going to his first the rangers game now that would never have happened if rangers were still in SPL

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16 Jul 2012 00:10:04
Just for a minute, leave all the other stuff to one side and think football only...

Ally McCoist now has to do what a football manager / coach has do fundamentally do i.e. to coach.

In a sense, he now has a chance to serve his apprenticeship in reverse as an up and coming, aspiring manager.

It will be a real test to pit himself against other, lesser known managers (certainly lesser in the playing and honours sense but not necessarily in terms of ability to "manage" people) who have already been involved in dog-fight type football which is in a much more raw format in lower Divisions.

Hence, her really needs to be able to pull together a reasonable (and affordable) collection of journeymen pros (on the way down) and new, emerging talent (on the way up) and then to be able to coach and train them well, motivate them, maximize all their strengths, set out good tactics, grind out results, indeed to be able to play some nice, entertaining football on occasions - all with the primary aim of winning games, maximising points and getting promoted.

This is now an essential next step - regardless of where we play and what level or calibre of player we can attract.

in theory, Rangers should now be an attractive proposition for most young kids wanting to progress in football and again in theory you would expect someone to choose an option of playing for Rangers over, say, Alloa or East Fife.

So it's now up to scouts, coaches, senior players et' al to step up and play their part.

Now Ally can really "manage" Rangers from a very unique position.

DD

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So what will you all say if Ally decided to walk?

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