Rangers Banter Archive June 16 2012

 

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16 Jun 2012 22:35:08
There is a funny side to every situation.
I was watching a re-run of Wee Craigy
unfurling the flag at Ibrox at the start of
last season. HILARIOUS. JD

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Why have you got thst in your video collection if your a Celtic fan? Still not as funny as the Celtic fan at for park with pope hat on helicopter Sunday.

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We all laughed as well mate. V funny now it's over looking back.

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Distant memories. Nostalgia.
The expectations, the not one but two £15m warchests..... Just for players.... Great times.

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16 Jun 2012 22:08:09
Poster on Rangersmedia saying that Arthur Newman has denied receiving any money from his EBT ! - If he didn't get it , who did ?

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Maybe Arthur NUMAN got it??lol

pappy

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Maybe Arthur is a liar, wouldn't be the first out of Rangers. Maybe the poster is a liar. Or maybe this poster is a liar. So many options.

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Maybie the poster is arthur and he's lying about lying?......green jhedi

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Maybe he came from the Lawwell school of lying? 'We're going on a tour of Japan and couldn't possibly re-arrange/postpone league games'.

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It was Gary Numan got it thats how he could afford all the cars.... The George

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16 Jun 2012 21:25:00
the newco should not have any sanctions against them by spl as they ar a newco so stands for new team not the old one so why should the be held acountable for the mistakes that where made by old club and its previous owners

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The newco should also not be allowed into the SPL.They must work their way up the divisions. cm

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Cant have it both ways! You want to keep the good history but not the bad?

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I would say the point is that there must be punishment or every club would go down the route of buy lots of players they cant afford, not pay taxes or debts to other companies then when they cant pay all the debt just sell off and keep going the way they used to.

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Absolutely agree brand new club zero footballing history needs to start at SFA lowest entry level. Anything else is corruption and favour.

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Who says we want to keep the good history ? The old history will always be there, it just can't be improved upon.
What your saying is like saying, Elvis is dead, therefore he never got all those number 1's.
We still won all those titles, that is history. It just can't be improved upon.
The old Gers are still the most succesfull club in the world.

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Sanctions apply to spl vote which newco own so they are responsible for sanctions. If you don't want sanctions then apply to sfl to come into 3rd division like any NEWCO

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Elvis got no.1's after he died though can only see old co getting things taken away, so it can change

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To post no5.... you still have the ebt case where you can be stripped of trophies so dont count your chickens.....

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16 Jun 2012 21:16:28
So now apparently there is now not just one Rangers but 2 Rangers in Glasgow? Great twice the obsession for Celtic fans.

Apparently in the minds of some the Football club who were formed 1872 and the company who were formed in 1899 are the same thing? heck only 27 years between the formation of both they must be the same thing right?.

But maybe the Celtic fans are right and it is a new club i mean look at the drastic name change on Tuesday we were called Rangers football club and today we are called Rangers football club.

If that is not evidence enough to convince us bears that it's not the same club then maybe the fact this so called new club will play it's home games at Ibrox stadium will do the trick? such a drastic change from where so called old Rangers used to play isn't it? And who is this super Ally i keep hearing about surly he was not Manager of Rangers football club before Thursday was he?

Yes a club that has the same name,stadium,fans,manager,training ground,badge & kit maker as it did this time last week is different?

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Oh Dear.If you are having trouble grasping this "two club" concept then you really need to seek help.Quickly.............green jhedi

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How can there be two clubs with the same name? who play in the same stadium? and who have the same fans? Note the word CLUBS...two companies yes, clubs no.

According to obi wan Rangers football club are not infact Rangers footbal club? so who are we then?

Yes it would seem i do need help understanding just how that is possible.

Mind you this is the same tax expert who posted on this forum that hmrc would knock down Ibrox and sell the metal contained inside for scrap, hows that prediction going mr skywalker?

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The rangers football club. New corporate entity with no place in football.

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If it's the same club it's still in big financial trouble. So its not. You'll see when you go to watch them. It won't be the same. You'll feel the chill when the zombies walk out. They should play thriller.

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See OP for deluded,Rangers are no more,history stopped,is that simple enough for you?

Dannybhoy

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Rangers PLC is to be liquidated. Celtic fans have nothing to do with the formal registration of companies. On paper they are gone, in your eyes..they live on.

If say the team that play at Ibrox this season win the league (I know lol)..you won't be in the 'official' records books as 55 titles. Rangers PLC's history isn't gone, you just can't officially add to it.

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Oh dear. There are still some deluded Rangers fans out there who don't get it. Rangers Football Club is being liquidated I presume you're now going to support The Rangers Football Club. Due to the fact that the team have never played a game they quite obviously have never won any trophies.

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@2; Firstly,if your gonna have a go get your facts straight.Never did i say ibrokes would be knocked down,i merely stated the break up value might have been greater than the sell on.I obviously was wrong so fair enough. But your first point shows your madness.Two clubs with the same name,play in the same stadium,and have the same fans? Okay sit down and try and grasp this.At this moment there is the oldco,the debt ridden mess that will be no more in around nine weeks.They have nothing except 5.5m in a bank account,placed there by Mr Green to buy ibrox,murray park and the albion.That leaves Mr Greens vehicle,newco,who own the property stated earlier.Rangers football club will be no more soon,leaving the team you may or may not follow.This team will be known as The Rangers football club,no history,no debt but crucially no players at the moment.Its really not that hard to understand.Walter,ex players and Green have stated old rangers are dead,do you think they are lying?...........green jhedi

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16 Jun 2012 20:35:02
I am undecided whether to renew my season ticket at moment due to uncertainty over which league we will be in. I will renew whatever league we are in but if we are put into division 3 (which i think will happen) can the club justify £400+ for our season tickets? What do you think?

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Club shouldn't need to justify it mate,surely?
Your either going to renew it or give it up,do it early enough,so that someone else on the waiting list can get it,and the club benefits.
I understand your concern,but if Walter and co,are only testing Green's financial clout,this could be a dodgy game of chicken which we might lose.
If Walter and co are serious they have to come out Monday at the latest and offer £20million for Green to walk away. If they don't we've got to back the guys who have come in. Either that or we dissapear completely.
P.O.B.

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I will pay SPL price even if we go to the third division but I need to know my money will help the club

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Ive thought hard but i am renewing mine as the poster above says maybe we could help the club even in 3rd div paying normal prices i know its a big ask but thats what i think.
craig+babybear

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I sent an EMail to ticket office on 13th June to ask ..

1. Will any extension to the deadline be made until such time as it is clear whether we will be watching Rangers in the SPL or the SFL?

2. If the latter, and Rangers are in SFL Div 3. Will season ticket prices be adjusted and refunds made to supporters?

3. If the SFA deem fit to ban Rangers ( or newco Rangers) for part of the season as a sanction, will season ticket prices be adjusted and refunds made to supporters?

4. Will season ticket monies be ring fenced to ensure that the liquidators appointed do not use the funds to pay back creditors?

No reply to date.

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POB no normal fan in there right mind would give green 400 quid for a team in div 3 so what u on about ??

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Waiting list??? Lol lol lol haha ha ha...... Thanks for all the laughs I haven't slept a wink in four months for laughing at night.
By the way new rangers have no squad no license no euro football no money and one of the biggest debts in Scottish fitba they owe greens consortium £10m.

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There is no waiting list lol

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What waiting list ?

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16 Jun 2012 19:58:32
It is becoming a farce allowing SPL clubs to vote on the fate of Rangers, Take the example of the ex. ceo of aberdeen talking of having to call riot police on one of our visits. Their support are a total disgrace and some of their chants are sickening e.g. Ian Durrant. I was in the main stand that day when simpson attacked Ian. Well dressed men were baying for blood and as far as I am concerned when disrepute of the game is mentioned they are in front of the queue. So what chance of them votlng to keep Rangers in the SPL? Snowball and hell come to mind.

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Yes, you're right, it's an absolute disgrace letting the other members of the league collectively decide whether they support or oppose a team that's run up 100M debt and probably systematically cheated the tax system for 10-15 years getting in the back door effectively Scot-free. Total farce indeed.

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16 Jun 2012 19:46:24
Rusty the tim is back!!been sitting quiet for a while over all this and it's time for me to make my non bias points!! Newco doesn't mean history is gone it just means oldco history is frozen just can't be added to!all titles etc will always be with oldco.any titles etc from season 2012-2013 onwards will be with newco history!regards to Greene take over!think you's should back him for he put his money where his mouth is and regards to Walter etc,cowards regarding the administration period!why?where were they when the club needed them most??yet Greene does the dirty work and they want all the scraps by using there hero status with the fans to push it forward knowing the fans can't trust any outsider because of whyte.why doesn't he take greenes offer then if Greene is up to anything shady he can tell the fans?what's he got to lose??I think spl need rangers and celtic but I don't think it will cripple if they don't have both.you's would get a lot more respect if you's go to the 3rd because there was a lot of bully boy tactics which have made more fans to vote against rangers but I think it human nature when things are against any1 your fighting instincts kick in and I'm sure it's just because the good fans were hurting deep inside!!!what ever the decision is it won't please every set of fans so what will be will be and we just hope Scottish football as a whole comes out the other side bigger and better and all clubs relies that they can't spend what they don't have!!hail hail rusty the tim

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Heard on Radio Scotland about changes--SPL,SFL etc.Is this to try and accommodate The Rangers as they won't get voted into SPL?Hope no hasty changes made for the wrong reasons.Change may be good but must be thought out.No more mistakes.

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Some people really can't grasp simple logic. Rangers football club were not liquidated Rangers plc formed 27 years after the football club was liquidated or will be in time.

Rangers football club formed in 1872-- Rangers plc formed in 1899 what's so hard to understand here?

To say that the end of the parent company is the end of the football club is ridiclous. It would also mean that Rangers were 113 years old and not 140 years old.

Leeds, Middlesborugh & Luton town all newco all the same clubs. {Ed001's Note - I don't think you understand or have any kind of clue what you are talking about. The company, to all intents and purposes, completely superseded the club, it was just a change of ownership. That is a totally different situation from this one.}

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That has to be the most sensible post you've ever compiled Rusty.
I was bored this morning and went on a wee fishing trip of my own,made me think of you.lol
Good luck with the apparent work in progress mate and welcome back.
P.O.B.

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@Ed001 No ed i do think i know what i'm talking about Rangers plc was a legal Entity not a club, it was simply the body which is required by law to hold the assets and liabilities, can open a bank account, can take out a loan, can be floated on the stock exchange etc. It is not who the fans support that's the club.

Definitions:

A Limited Company - a legal entity which owns assets and liabilities with the purpose of seeking profit


A Football Club - a community formed by fans working towards a common goal {Ed001's Note - yes, but the football club no longer exists, so clearly you have no idea. It ceased to exist and became a limited company, not really difficult to understand mate.}

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ED; with regards to poster2,your wasting your time he seems to keep posting the same stupid nonsense..........green jhedi

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16 Jun 2012 19:30:24
It annoys me hugely in particular when I hear our fans saying the club has been or is in liquidation.

We are not, on Thursday we exited administration.

When Leeds performed the exact same thing we did, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

When Luton Town NewCo'ed with the OldCo being liquidated, the press correctly stated the club was saved from liquidation.

Same with Darlington and many others.

Rangers FC is now sitting out of administration, with no threat of liquidation.

Only the press in this country are pushing this idea that we are somehow still getting liquidated! A shell of a corporate entity, which no longer contains our football club is getting liquidated.

Why would someone have paid £5.5m for something that is still under threat of liquidation?

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Zzzzzzzzzzzz!' get off the glue ya rocket!

Briggs

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You keep beleiving that mate. You were liquidated. Even your owner has said as much.

Joeshmo1888

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Good grief.This is the most uninformed post on liquidation on here yet.You have not exited administration you have entered liquidation.If you dont want to believe timmy or the papers try Goram,Gough or Mr Green.Would you believe it if Walter told you? Why do you think you have a new name? What is TUPE? I hope your six or i really fear for your sanity.No threat of liquidation? WOW..........green jhedi

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We did not exit administration. The tangible assets were sold to a new company that is entirely independent of the old. The old company remains temporarily in administration and will be liquidated in due course.

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Presumably when you die you merely exit this life and dont actually die as such. What a piece of nonsense. Your club is over thats reality...no amout of denial or verbal camouflage will ever change that situation. Its not Penny Arcade you'll be playing itll be 'Its Over'.

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Dont be stupid

Dannybhoy

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Are you serious? This is the funniest delusional post I've seen for a while! Scott

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Rangers exited administration when they were liquidated. You've been away a wee while GJ, so probably a bit Rusty. See he's back as well.lol
P.O.B.

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@P.O.B: And rangers exited administration by...wait for it...entering a liquidation! I expected better from you POB,being pedantic is the sign your losing an argument surely?............green jhedi

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Wow. Where do these guys go when their not at ibrox ? The rangers football club which formed last week is a new entity with no football registration. Rangers football club is being liquidated and because it hasn't submitted accounts on time is deregistered. The Scottish league at this moment in time has 1 member called rangers, Berwick rangers.

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GJ.
In terms of a simple definition, liquidation is the winding up of a business that will cease operations. Administration is the appointment of an administrator who may or may not seek liquidation.
Liquidation can be sought even when a business is solvent.
Administration is ordered when the company is insolvent. Liquidation is the final phase of a business while administration may be an interim phase intended to bring the company back to solvency.
The interim phase ended with the formal rejection of the CVA. So the next step for the company will be to exit administration and enter liquidation.
I know you've been away,but you should really try and keep up.
It's not that difficult to understand GJ.
P.O.B.

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I love all the experts in rangers demise ie celtic fans.The bottom line is you think our history is gone many of us still think it is there.These are things we will never agree on.But the bottom line is this we are still called rangers our strip is exactly the same and we are still going to be playing at ibrox see everything still seems the same to me.I said at the beginning of all this that as long as we were still called rangers and still play at ibrox.In 50 years time if we win 20 spl titles they will sit alongside the 54 we have at present so that will be 74 and counting.See i know this will annoy alot of celtic fans but the truth is in 10 15 years time who is going to remember or care that rangers were liquidated.See in 50 years time when my son takes his grandson to ibrox he can say look these are the 74 spl titles we have won.

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@POB;"The next step for the company will be to exit administration and enter liquidation" Your words, and almost exactly what i said! You can be as pedantic as you like but it is a totally moot point.Exiting administration to the business world means a creditor favourable agreement or paying of debt,entirely different from The rangers position. Playing with words is just a bit childish and deflective.........green jhedi

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@12: The Rangers Football Club currently has no titles, not 54.

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16 Jun 2012 18:47:52
Can someone please tell me the reasons why The rangers cannot apply to play in England? I have heard all the....it won't and cannot happen...but I'm asking why not? Can this get cleared up ed? I can't see any point in playing 4th tier Scottish football....its pointless! I back CG all the way, but Scottish football is over, rangers are over, our newco don't have a licence so can they not apply for 6th tier English league? Even making championship football is miles better than the spl. If CG pulled off rangers into England...that's where he will make millions. Ed can you please
Confirm why it CANT happen?! {Ed001's Note - because you are Scottish. How many times does this have to be explained? Instead of repeating the same question, why don't you do your own research and read the UEFA rules?}

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So why does Swansea and Cardiff play in English football? {Ed001's Note - because they were playing there before the rules were set.}

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Well said Ed! Guys like this this are too buzy getting angry with anyone who will listen instead of looking At the facts.

Briggs

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Perhaps they can't read Ed or just don't want to believe.Why waste your time --we're all fed up reading it,you must be fed up answering! {Ed001's Note - completely fed up answering it mate.}

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OH MY GOD... when will some of our supporters learn? we are not as big as we think in this football world. We cant tell other peple what we want to do? we cant demand everything we want? we are in Scotland full stop, we even couldnt afford to play there by the figures of debt? so get ready to become just another Scottish team although one that starts with THE.

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Suggestion-
Next time it's brought up, don't post it

bil72 {Ed001's Note - I delete 40+ posts a day saying it, sometimes I just need to say something or I would end up screaming!}

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Could we join Spain then ? Lol

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See the good thing about rules is they can be changed.

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@7: this one won't be any time soon.

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16 Jun 2012 18:26:10
I find it absolutely astonishing that Walter smith is fronting a group who allowed the history of the club do go down the drain by waiting until the cva was rejected prior to stepping in with the dream team claiming to be the saviour. Will Walter pay off all the small creditors who have been left with nothing, not a chance, "the rangers" are claiming that clubs will die without them in spl, most probably, for wanting fairness, whatever happens it's the fault of the old rangers that Scottish football is on the brink, if this opinion is posted I will be very surprised as it is the truth.

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Utter Craig Whyte.

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16 Jun 2012 18:23:24
couldny make this stuff up one bit..green offers smith the chairman position after his "done deal"...but hawd on...hes already appointed MALKY M as his chairman.....dead loyal is oor charlie ....loyal as minty and whytee if your askin....deecee

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No read what Green is saying.

(1) Chairman for the company side

(2) Chairman for the footballing side

2 vastly different jobs, and as of today 1 position still requires filling

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Yes but green is implementing 2 boards one for football and the other is the administration side of things .

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Green already explained that he had two Chairman posts available - one for Business matters, One for the actual Footballing matters.

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Once again you prove that you know nothing regarding your club.Malky,as you put it,is chairman of the business board,Walter would be chairman of the football board. Honestly decay,there is the brink of insanity then there is the abyss,you are clearly in the latter.Even rangers fans must be laughing at your lack of knowledge regarding your team...........green jhedi

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16 Jun 2012 18:20:49
hi green jhedi where you been hiding ,disappointed gers are on the way up again , do you need a new accountant ? my 1 is got ,hes even got a ex tic manager as 1 of his clients doug t.s.o

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Ah Doug.Nice to see them letting you back on the keyboard,better than the crayons eh? No, your accountant must be awful if what you post is true.Keep up the good work,you do make me laugh..........green jhedi

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Can anyone confirm? that Green was struggling right to the last moment to get all the money together? and that most of the people came on board only when HMRC stated they were not agreeing to CVA? If thats the case are we once again stuck with people who jumped in when they seen there was money to be made? which clearly there is?Lets hope the new directive in realtion to being fit to own a club is done with due dilligence.

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16 Jun 2012 18:01:53
Ed what sort of crowd do you think rangers would get in 3rd division? Do you think it will be enough to maintain ibrox? {Ed001's Note - not a chance it would be enough, it would initially be high, but it would soon drop off. Especially as the club is not the original club, so a number of fans don't see it as their club. The ticket prices would have to be so much lower, there is just no way of keeping Ibrox running in the 3rd on gates alone.}

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16 Jun 2012 17:55:09
Heart warming to see all the Celtic fans still obsessing over all things Rangers. 
A New York Times article in 2002 cited a number of scientific studies of schadenfreude, which it defined as "delighting in others' misfortune." Many such studies are based on social comparison theory, the idea that when people around us have bad luck, we look better to ourselves. Other researchers have found that people with low self-esteem are more likely to feel schadenfreude than are people who have high self-esteem.
Also
Brain-scanning studies show that schadenfreude is correlated with envy. Strong feelings of envy activated physical pain nodes in the brain's dorsal anterior cingulate cortex; the brain's reward centers, such as the ventral striatum, were activated by news that the people envied had suffered misfortune. The magnitude of the brain's schadenfreude response could even be predicted from the strength of the previous envy response.
Low esteem and jealousy, about sums it up really, but keep posting guys you only strengthen the argument.

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Do expect us to feel sorry for you ?
Liah Smit

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So going by these facts and your deduction you would be saying that if it was celtic in your possition, yous would not be happy, gloating etc etc etc???????

no, i didnt think so which makes your whole point void!!

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Interesting article that, however it has nothing to do with this. This wasn't a case of misfortune nor bad luck. This was wilful tax evasion, pathetic financial management and wilful non-payment of PAYE. Copy and paste us a definition of wilful eh? Schadenfreude would be an Ibrox newsagent laughing at the Ibrox newsagent who was a creditor of the club.

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That posts has been done to death.Nothing to laugh at now anyway.Liquidated. Check your dictionary for that.............green jhedi

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The point that all the responses are from Celtic fans ratifies the O.P's point

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16 Jun 2012 16:42:10
Celtic fan here and hate to simplify things to a basic level, but surely a newco can't suffer any punishment for the old rangers mismanagement....a newco is exactly that a newco! The sfa/sfl/spl can place punitive measures on the newco for allowing them to skip certain steps in the footballing hierarchy I.e missing out leagues 3& 2 and entering at league or missing all 3 lower leagues and entering at spl level, these are not and couldn't be seen as penalties for being the old rangers.

Jd

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Absolutly right. TRFC is a newco. It doesn't have a divine right to be admitted to the SPL or the SFL. The members of these organisations may allow entry, but with certain conditions attached. These conditions are not punitive as the newco has done nothing wrong.
Liah Smit

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Fair point JD,i just hope that Green and Smith can both work together and move The Rangers Football Club forward in a proper and correct manner for all concerned personally i think as a new club we should start in the third division,as any new club and move on from there,if this is the case we should use the wages savings to try and pay of at least the footballing debt of the old club and maybe some smaller creditor debts as we the fans,at least most of us.do feel bad about the aftermath of this debacle and the effects it has had on many people,this may help to show that at least some of us are sorry and we can only hope that HMRC deals swiftly through the courts with the real culprits in all this.
Gl

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16 Jun 2012 15:26:19
hi question for the ed been trying to research the whole history arguement , do we lose all the history we had ie titles achievements and so on , or do the transfer over , fiorentina got back there history and i have been lead to belief leeds also got theres back is it possible with rangers?
cheers {Ed001's Note - Fiorentina had to buy their history back a couple of years later, but Italian law is different and allows for things like that. Leeds transferred to a phoenix company, history and all, before liquidating the old club.}

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You guys have gotta be kidding.You are now a new team in Scotland.What part of liquidation do you not get? To prove the point there are now,at present,two rangers in Glasgow.Duff & Phelps control the old rangers,Green controls the new rangers.The D&P rangers will be wound up in approx 8-10 weeks,it will then go the way of Renton and Third Lanark as a club that used to play in the Scottish league.Ask Goram,Gough and Brown,they have all accepted this.The Rangers of next season has no history other than a few months and certainly no trophies.........green jhedi

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Could the rfff.not have a whipround to buy them back if need be after all what,s 50 quid these day,s

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Makes me laugh that a lot of Rangers fans now believe the club wasn't liquidated, well you was, hence why you don't have a league to play in at the moment, no players officially contracted etc.

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The history books will read. first old firm celtic 5-2
last old firm celtic 3-0. new chapter starts.

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Ed. I thought EUFA did not accept any court intervention. {Ed001's Note - what has that to do with anything? You've completely lost me.}

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3 so called experts on a BBC Q&A session said that it is up to the SFL & SPL to decide whether the history follows on from oldco to newco.

If SFL accepts but SPL doesn't it means that any SPL titles wont be added to the history but any SFL titles will be.

The Pilot!

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Why did Rangers not go for the phoenix company route?

pappy {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, maybe because they didn't have a buyer with the money to afford it.}

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In response to your caustic comment to 5. Quite simply you refer to being able to buy back HISTORY because Italian law is different. Is THAT NOT USING THE COURTS? {Ed001's Note - no, not unless you went to the courts to challenge an FA ruling. This is nothing to do with the SFA, they would not make the decision on what a business does. Is that really so difficult to understand? Sometimes I fear for people. Common sense just seems to have vanished! Nobody referred to taking it to the courts, yet you start talking about it, why? You don't have to go to court to follow the law of the land you know.}

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@4 Yes you are correct but forgot to mention in the first game, but of course you did, that cfc were made up of majority players from Hibs playing for them. The same players later on were bribed to leave the Hibernian Charity and join cfc.
Hibs at that time were probably the best of the bunch.
Charity begins at home, right enough.

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16 Jun 2012 15:47:38
For those in ANY doubt


The analogy has been posted elsewhere. But hey what the hell...

See that Elvis. He's dead. No more performances no more new material lps nothing.

However anyone can hire a guy in a white suit called Elvis, BUT IT STILL AIN'T ELVIS,

No history, good and bad. Nada zilch nothing


Mo

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So let me gets this right. The guy down the chip shop who claims he's Elvis. You lot saying he is?

What are u lot on?

Mo

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See the thing is mate, everything that made Rangers what they are is still alive, good and bad, were not dead, and as for the history, it will always be in my mind and more importantly in YOURS, also it wont be long before THE RANGERS make all sorts of new history. My only hope is that if we can leave behind all the bad things our club is known for, if we can do that then all this trouble we are in may well have been worth it...

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Keep believing it mate and you will be alright.

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Mo ? You know a guy who claims to be Elvis ? Good luck in getting the straightjacket off in the asylum Mo pal.

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Obviously we are not on the same as you mo when you can compare somebody liking elvis enough to dress up as him and a football club having a different number at company house

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Actually Rangers are dead. Their history died with them

Rangers 2012 are a new club a newco as it were. No license no players just an empty stadium and training facility

If you were the old club you would not have to apply for a license and no players would be required to TUPE Also you would then still be required to pay ur debts and accept your punishment. Can't have it both ways pally

So new club new history it is. Start at the bottom work ur way up. Just like ANY new club

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16 Jun 2012 15:37:29
Surely the very term "not walking away" that is being used should keep us buying season tickets anyway regardless of who is in charge? The very idea that we don't is a joke and is not going to help the rangers get back to where we all want them to be.

I'd love to see Walter, park and mccoll being in charge but green has got us out a place where no-one else wanted to be, including watty, tbk etc

Get behind the team no matter who is in charge!

Rant over....here's to the future of the rangers!

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It might be a joke to you but its not to everyone, bet you were one of the fans who backed Craig whyte? Well I think Mr green is the same as whyte, a total conman, so why would I give him my money?

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Green didn't get us out of a place we didn't want to be, he put us in it and I think it was his intentionally along. He got the assets cheap his plan all along as he knew we would never get a CVA on his terms hence a newco. Anyone who thinks different is kidding themselves.

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Walter & co wanted to get the club just as cheaply (an extra half a million more than Green), but without the stigma of being the ones who failed to acheive a CVA and put the club into liquidation.
Al

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16 Jun 2012 14:24:19
am I the only one who is disturbed by the words coming out of the mouth of Charles Greene over the last two or three days? He talks about stabbing people in the chest rather than the back & about how he is not a trier but a doer. He is coming across as a bit of a bully!

Also everyone is talking on here about the newco being able to get back control of the kit deal and whether or not they will honour the debentures as they do not have to. If you follow this to the logical conclusion then if the newco don't need to honour contracts by the oldco then neither do the players, it's a two way street - Jaxie

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Not to be trusted, caught telling porkies and contradicted himself many time already. Doesn't know how contracts work either which is worrying for a so called businessman. Green can GTF.

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16 Jun 2012 14:06:47
Hurrah! It was about time a new mantra appeared and now we have it "We've been punished enough." I don't doubt for one second the emotional turmoil this four months has inflicted on Rangers fans, I'm sure it has been awful but "punishments" for wrong doing have to date been paltry.
Ten point deduction for going into administration, ban from Europe for one season, three season ban from Europe for becoming a Newco, these aren't punishments strictly speaking, they are consequences. From Rangers to Raith Rovers, Chelsea to Battersea, every club in Europe knows these are the CONSEQUENCES of financial mismanagement, not some big ogre FA bashing a club fairly or unfairly.
So to date Rangers have been fined £160,000, that is the only punishment that has stuck so far. An amount not insurmountable for a club that harboured ambitions to sign Rino Gattuso on £12k a week. Whatever punishment comes back from that remains to be seen, bear in mind the panel described this as "only match fixing was worse" so sure something is getting handed out there. The SPL vote on Rangers Newco, again a consequence of going into liquidation, same thing for Livingston etc etc. The two contracts case, the powers that be seem petrified to touch that one with a barge pole, no measures in place pending what the outcome to the CVA was after letting Duff and Phelps sit on the documents for three months, shambolic and inept or proves they don't have the stomach for that particular fight. So, as I said earlier, to date everything bar the £160,000 had an inevitability about it. An inevitability that every club in Europe would have seen coming and understood the implications of as they continued to mismanage the club. These aren't punishments, they may seem so, but they are in the laws of every FA and UEFA to disencourage financial wrecklessness. They are every bit as crystal clear and inevitable as a ball coming off a defender and going over his own bar being a corner kick. No hidden forces at work for any of those CONSEQUENCES, no "they're all out to get us" for those CONSEQUENCES. The rest remains to be seen but as yet the punishments above and beyond what Murray and Whyte have guided Rangers to have been paltry. Short of the £160,000 you are kidding yourselves on if you cannot accept that Rangers chairmen, Rangers business plans or lack there of inevitably led the club to this point. Is it fair on fans? No of course it's not but not much is and with Murray it came with a lot of trophies, every one of which put a smile on your face at the time no doubt.

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16 Jun 2012 13:41:41
Celtic reject 6 million bid for Ki Sung Yeung.

Are they mad?

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He's worth more than yous put together.....DH

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Are you mad that one of our players is worth more than your whole club?.......green jhedi

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Not mad karzan it worth a fortune lenny is a shrood dood he knows never to take first offer he will get 8 to 9 out of them thats what being a boss in scotland is about he is better than you's all think watch this space

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Yeh suppose a bit mad...we turn down 6 million for one player...and you bought as a whole club5.5 million.....oh how times change...more jelly n ice cream......gujo

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Poster 2 who valued him then ,stevie wonder doug t.s.o

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Aye 8 to 9 million drachmas ,who you kidding lenny could learn plenty off walter doug t.s.o

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Aaahhh, you former fans are following Celtic now eh? well its ok but you would have to understand and learn how a buissness actually works in order to understand what Celtic do. we have our own buissness plan like stated mounths ago and this just shows how strong of a position Celtic is in, a player as good as Ki cant even get into our club and we may get 8mill for him....now think how much we could get for our first team players, its up there with the war chest yous were promised lol. and that is paying ppl prober and following the rules so you see you dont have to cheat in order to be a good club and be successfull.

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5 and 6:dear me doug,i can taste your anguish from here. Why would Lenny need to learn how to sneak in the back door to scupper a deal for his beloved club? ..........green jhedi

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Poster 8 ,yes your right we dont need any ex managers now ,but he was the best man out when he was there ,lenny will be found out sooner than later mark my words ,maybe he will phone walter up for a loan of his lucky cardigan doug t.s.o

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@9; Now why would you be getting your panties in a bunch about Lenny? Found out sooner than later? I think ally might be facing the same questions dont you?.........green jhedi

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16 Jun 2012 13:31:10
have been a gers man for over 60 years tough good and bad and no group will tell me when i can go to see my team be it spl or sfl 3 its time for unity from fans and back whoever eventualy in charge of the club

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Well im not far behind you ,56 years following gers and im backing green and renewing my season book ,just missed out on the concession by 2 months ,being old has its benefits at time doug t.s.o

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In reply doug t s o aye its good being a pensioner lots memories to pass on you must have seen richie shearer caldow greig mckinnon baxter henderson mcmllan miller brand wilson. what a team, awe the best (auld blue nose)

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16 Jun 2012 12:01:55
Rangers will not be included in the Scottish Premier League fixture list for next season when it is published on Monday, Telegraph Sport can reveal.

It will be the first time since league football began in Scotland in 1888 that the Ibrox club will be absent from the schedule.

Instead, the fixtures for the 11 other clubs will be announced, with some form of cipher used to signify Rangers who – if their application for acceptance as a newco is rejected – will be replaced by Dundee, runners-up in the Scottish Football League last season.

Rangers cannot be incorporated into the fixture list because the Ibrox administrators still hold the club’s share in the SPL but have no players and no stadium.

Rangers Football Club, the newco owned by the consortium fronted by Charles Green – who assumed control on Thursday – have a stadium and perhaps also a playing squad (although that issue has yet to be resolved) but no share in the SPL so, as matters stand, they cannot play in the league.

The SPL board meets on Monday and will be presented with a letter of application from Green’s newco. Recently adopted changes in SPL rules mean that the board must refer the matter to the member clubs.

The issue could be deferred until the SPL’s annual general meeting on July 16 but, because of the proximity of the new season which begins on Aug 4, it is all but certain that a general meeting will be called.

SPL rules specify 14 days’ clear notice, so the first available date for the general meeting will be Tuesday, July 3.

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This is significant. Rangers have possibly cheated 5 SPL titles and prizemonies over the last 10 years. In addition they didn't pay £21.5m in social taxes last year alone to help them deliver SPL second place.
The new Rangers club needs to start in Scottish football where all new clubs start not in the highest league, and that's not a punishment it's fair without favour procedure.

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Punishment after punishment after punishment how many times nothing has been proven regarding previous titles we have won or EBTs or dual contracts whatever you wish to name what happened to innocent until PROVEN Guilty or does this still stand unless you are called Rangers when are you small minded Tims going to get your solitary brain cell to fathom this out we have not been found Guilty off anything yet and as we are now a newco i would find it probably that we will not be found guilty off anything now as if let's say we are exonerated from wrong-doing in respect to the EBTs as i suspect we would have been then HMRC will hardly want to publicly admit this as it may jepoardise there position in any future actions they may bring to any other club i suspect that you sad little people are so hacked off that RFC as a club have not died the hate you feel towards us is taking over your sorry little existence well we shall return stronger than ever and every single one off you better watch your back cos Glasgow Rangers or my fellow bears will never forget or forgive Long live the Rangers

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Watch your backs! Sad and laughable.Still the shame eh?........green jhedi

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@2 It's people like you that make RFC and now TRFC not wamted or admired.Obviously there is no change in your mentality.Why can't you get rid of all this vile attitude and enjoy your club and the game.They are both far bigger than people like you.You do your club no favour.Bring it shame.

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16 Jun 2012 11:38:01
celtic fan here-not in peace.hope you will put this post up ed instead of ignoring me as im a celtic fan and saying something you dont like. do rangers fans not understand that the 3 year ban from europe is not a punishment.its a fifa ruling for all new clubs wether they have been previously liquidated or started afresh.it doesnt matter. ive heard so many fans saying that rangers have alredy been punished but in fact they have not had any sanction yet for starting a newco.

there must be a deterrant to stop clubs taking the option rangers have,the spl is riddled with debt and if rangers get an easy ride and a free start then other clubs may well take this option.

the 3 year ban from europe is not a punishment.

MK BHOY

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True, but ac Milan were banned fron Europe for match fixing,but were allowed back in. Rules are rules, but uefa's are flexible when it suits.

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OP I've already put that up twice!

New clubs require 3 years in association football to qualify to apply for a UEFA license to play in European competitions. It's not a punishment. Its a logical procedure to stop brand new teams entering champions league. Rangers have yet to be punished.

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Good point mk bhoy, some not all our fans are deluded and believe because we are BIG club then we should get a easy ride !

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The Rangers have never been in Europe so they cannot be banned.
There is a qualifying period of three years to gain the necessary footballing history to get in.

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Totaly agree m8... what amazes me is that at the time i write this 5 people disagree with it.....
are people really that misinformed or blinkered that they have to disagree with FACTS.... unbelievable!!

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16 Jun 2012 11:24:42
Okay so we have to face one or two football sanctions eventually. Out of Europe for a few years.Possible ban from Scottish cup. Maybe a few financial restrictions.That's the bad news for us bears. But you something,i'm betting Timmy's feeling a lot worse.
Debt... Gone!
Liability from BTC/EBT...Gone!
Ibrox stadium...still standing!
The "Rangers football club"...Still trading!
Same fans!
Same strip!
Same history!
For there's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers,no not one,and there never shall be one!
Try as you might "Timmy" you'll never catch us!
Still chasing,still lagging behind!
P.O.B.

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Straight jacket needed for OP.
It's clearly all been too much for him.

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There never was a team called the Glasgow Rangers, the old Rangers history ended and if you and other Fans of your corrupt team can celebrate stealing small businesses money well I for one would be ashamed, let your old prejudices die with the history

Dannybhoy

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You keep beleiving that P.O.B
Rangers as you know it is dead, gone, kapput.
Us "Timmy's" don't care as the Old Firm is a thing of the past. No more guilty by association.
Same history......lol.....you keep beleiving that. And what a history it has become. A national disgrace for over 100 years.

Joeshmo1888

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If the new rangers win a title or a cup it will come up as their first trophy as a newco. new history old one stopped. nothing can be done about it now.

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Didnt the football team end its existence on Thursday June 14 ? Or am I in a parallel universe?

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I used to think you were quite a sensible poster till this total rubbish.History is indeed intact,but it is consigned to the past as the club who had that history are now defunct.You really have to face the fact that the team you will support next year has no history,trophies to its name, nothing.As for the "catch up" nonsense,really? Check your next match day programme,you will see no honours listed,so im afraid you are in fact miles behind Celtic now.Green,Walter and your new chairman have said it,Gough and Goram have said it,the old club is dead.Just like Third Lanark.

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This response ,which is the response and mind set of the masses and their leaders from the hive ,should be printed out and pinned on the noticeboard in every SPL boardroom ...No remorse and setting out to take up where they left off ....Always were always will be in the form of Zombie FC Scotlands shame....TTTS

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Poster 1 ,you must have a few spare jackets in our house then ,do you wash them in sudso lol doug t.s.o

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We are only feeling "alot worse" because of all the celebrating that the dead club got caught finally and has to face punishment, tittles to be strip and soon Celtic will be the most successfull club in the world, your dead club can no longer say that because not all tittles were done fairly and so the dead club even though its gone will always be TAINTED. im sure you will be tunning in to see Celtic play and you will and are filling aalot worse.

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8: Your a really strange guy you know.........green jhedi

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Yes jhedi ,my drivers think that too ,but they like me lol and my girlfriend and children think im nuts doug t.s.o

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@3 you make me laugh you dont care about rangers.Well go and answer one thing if you dont care why are you on here telling us that you dont care.See we dont care that you dont care.See but your lying to yourself you do care you care that much that you have became obsessed with our downfall see i dont care about your club and certainly would not visit there banter site i asume you have one but i would not know why because i dont care.

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16 Jun 2012 10:26:39
The spl can't complain about integrity they have bent the rules on a number of occasions.

Keeping Aberdeen up after they were relegated fair and square is just one example. Another is setting a deadline for Hearts to pay players and taking no action against them when they missed that deadline. Also using the 10,000 seats rule to keep Falkirk out of the spl then changing it to 6,000 seats a few weeks later.

Spare me the integrity rubbish please where was the outcry over the spl making up the rules as it when along when it was teams other than Rangers involved.

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The problem is the SPL/SFA are a law unto themselves and do what they want, when they wish. I can see more clubs taking them to the law courts in future, with some of their so called punishments albeit not just Rangers.

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They done these things wrong so they should continue with this trend ! .Is that what you are saying ?.Febble excuse .

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OP - I think the year they did that to Falkirk, Motherwell were bottom of the league after going into administration and the fact they were not relegated, arguably saved MFC.

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16 Jun 2012 09:39:38
Re: punishments no being passed to newco: this is really quite simple, RFC is still in existence "140 years of history (has not) disappeared", a football club cannot be "liquidated". Companies are liquidated. 113 years of history associated with TRFC plc as a corporate entity has disappeared- whatever significance this has.

If penalties for wrong-doing attach to the club then it's only right that they're applied I suppose. Though I take the view as a Rangers supporter we've certainly suffered plenty over the last while. There is obviously great antipathy toward Rangers for everyone else in Scottish football, who seeks vengeance rather than justice- that's just a fact of life.

If penalties for wrong-doing attach to the corporate entity then obviously there should be none, as that's dead and renewed.

What should come as no suprise to anyone though, is the fact the SFA again havenae a clue.

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Rangers have so far only experienced automatic procedural cause and effect.
The original poster probably thinks removal of the tainted titles is punishment. Equivalent to taking back jewellery from the thief. Punishments have to follow thereafter. Rangers have not yet been punished yet. Rangers FC have humiliated the whole of Scotland globally.

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Im afraid it is you who has no clue.RFC are no more,they have been liquidated.Green and Murray(new chairman) have both spoke openly of this.TRFC,the new company,will only face further sanctions if they apply,and are granted,the old clubs SPL share.If TRFC apply,and are granted,a place in the SFL then the matter of sanctions is at an end.So it is pretty simple,go to the SFL and no further punishments would apply.So ask yourself this,why are Green and everyone else so desperate to stay in the SPL?With no europe for three,possibly four years depending on audited accounts,Why not start in the lower leagues?

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Your talking p!sh 140 years of taenishe and tainted history is away and cant be taken away but your newcos (zombies) history started on Thursday your next match will be marked up as your first game as trfc (zombies) Rfc are dead my friend but like every death you are at the denial stage but this will ease with time. Man up and start supporting the newco (zombies) and look back on your three days of history!

Briggs

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What penalties have you suffered?As for dignity that would involve paying your debt,not celebrating the rip off , re the history it has stopped your next title would now be The Rangers FC s first

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16 Jun 2012 09:16:08
If rangers are relegated to the 3rd division what price will the season tickets be?

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Rumour the true clean honest Rangers fans are organising a huge rally and marching on the ticket office to buy their season tickets.
Fingering their noses at McColl and Smith who take Rangers fans for sheep. Where's the RFFF £700k smith and Jardine?

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£180/ £300

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When not if

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Just the same as they are now.
The renewals have been sent out.
P.O.B.

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If the SPL vote to consider allowing rangers Newco into SPL involves D&P as oldco Rangers I'm taking it to court of session as a disgusted fan. It's my right.

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Suggest you pay at the gate. SFL3 standard is about 5 tiers below the football league in England. Who wants to watch a match that should be won within 10 minutes.

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@5 hope you've plenty of money to go to the expense of going to court of session then!

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Rangers arnt being relegated to DIV 3, they are "Starting" in DIV 3....massive difference! They have just been born and therefore have to apply to join...at the moment they are no where!

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16 Jun 2012 09:14:58
With all the players being tupe transfered to the new go they are legally entitled to walk away that is a fact. The reason I am so sure is that I with some of my work colleagues have just been thre
through the process. Will not blame any player who wishes to maintain his career away from us

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They all currently are still contracted to old Rangers 1899 being managed by D&P.

None have signed up to new rangers 2012.

When old Rangers is liquidated they can go. Or if D&P release them b4 liquidation complete. Or they just go and the old rangers in no state to do anything about it.

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Your situation in regards to TUPE are different to that of a footballer and club.
Your contract must be honoured by the new company but not by you yourself (you can choose not to sign a new contract) but that's were the similarities end, a footballer has not only a contract but a registration, if the reg has past to the newco along with the contracts then even if the players refuse to sign new contracts their reg will still be held so the would find it difficult to sign for any other club (A player was released at the beginning of admin, with the AGREEMENT of the club, yet still had a hard time resigning to play for another club). If the players decide to not sign any new contracts then they can but the club would then fight to hold the reg thus making it a very difficult and long proccess to move on (may put off other clubs from trying to sign then).

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16 Jun 2012 08:11:57
Walter was probably a recipient of EBT scheme, had plenty of time to put a bid in now threatening Green. If Green does not sell and no fans back him then he will have to build houses on Ibrox to recoup his money

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Smith recruited all his guys through EBTs he knew exactly how they operated and was very professional with his transfer and salary budget as a manager.

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How does a nobody like you know Walter was on EBTs? Where is the facts he was? Just because his rangers teams thrashed Celtic nearly every year doesn't mean he was on EBTs, Anyway I thought it was the Dick era EBTs were used.

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No evidence of Walter ever receiving EBT's. He's as clean as a whistle.

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Smith is out of order.

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"His team " as you put it ,wouldnt have been about without EBTs ...TTTS

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16 Jun 2012 07:57:49
What happens with rangers arranged friendlies

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16 Jun 2012 04:33:08
do we really want the old people back involved with our club or do we want fresh ideas and sum1 that put there money wer there mouth was unlike every1 else where was smith mccoll harte park ect when we needed them no where to be seen

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Correct, Smith needs to shut up and walk.
Smith went on telly after Whyte went into admin and said the club was run perfectly well up until Whyte arrived. Incredulous. Utter lies.

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I dont think it is as cut and dried as that kennedy and some of blue knights are involved with walter smiths consortium dont forget whyte wouldnt sell his shares to paul murray and whyte employed duff and duffers i try to keep and open mind i would hope both sides can come together for the good of rangers .

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At (1 the club debt was down from 72 mill to 16 mill so it was getting run correct so what are u oan aboot ?

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At 3, the dead clubs debt went down because it was useing banks money and ebts to pay players inroder to pay down payment, by cheating they were saving money to please the fans, after all that is/has/yet to come out you still defend the cheaters and dont understand eh......so the question is, what are u on about? or even what are you on? or is it that DM juust messed yous up so much you dont know what is the real world anymore?

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16 Jun 2012 02:29:14
honestly think walter smith humiliated himself yesterday if he was so desperate to save the club he would have had something in place he just sat back and watched a braver man face up and now hes using the fans to try another shady undermining tactic (celtic fan)

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There's former directors in it with him also. The ones with their snouts in the trough for 20 years. They led rangers to admjn and liquidation not fit and proper for 7 years to be in the game. Smith as well SDM made him a director. It's on record.

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16 Jun 2012 00:25:11
We're beginning to sound as paranoid as the other side. Let's calm down an see where we go from here

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The paranoia ,that you call it, from us Celtic was proven to be right was it not? dont you wish you would have lisen a little a few years back instead of just calling it paranoia? even when your own member came out in early 2000s to let yous know, but again yous just shot it down loving the lime light but look where its got you.
and your far worse from our "paranoia" then yours because we were right and only wanting a fair playing field but yous are jjust unhappy and upset so you have to make sure everyone else is, theres more to change then just your new club and that is your whole mentality of the watap.

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1.) You were only "right" because the worst case has happend. ALL the non Rangers fans were queueing up to predict doom, not because you knew but because you hoped! Stop all this "told you so" crap and go solve the global economic melt down! There seems to be a glut of financial "experts" at every football ground outwith Ibrox, so it should be a piece of cake...

BB

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@1, your paranoia was proven right? No, it's just that paranoia shall we talk about referees?

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3# Lets talk about referees. Dougiegate: lying to the Celtic manager.Dallas: sectarian e mails sent in house through the SFA.Syme: Rangers season ticket holder and on retiring claimed it would be good to go back on his supporters bus to ibrox.Wharton: The famous"warm handshake" pic with greig at hampden. And thats the ones who were exposed!........green jhedi

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Rubbish. The facts have been clear for years. People with vested interests have been leading rangers fans rounl like a herd of sheep and most of you were happy to follow. Some of the newspapers printed downright lies.

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@3...did GJ help you with that one about refs? but thats all made up as well eh? i thnk you dont understand what paranoia meanings because to yous it seems it meanings that f there are facts and to be proving right it is paranoia and lieing and cheating is right in your mindset...what school did you go to/ or did you just learn everything from the dead club? WAKE UP! this is not a dream this is real life with facts.

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Aye green jhedi your right it was all a masonic conspiracy wae the refs ,tell me how you know as its secret, now dont tell anyone ,you know the rules only too well ,see you at the next meeting brother doug t.s.o

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16 Jun 2012 00:24:32
with all your talk of " if rangers dont get into SPL scottish football dies" you are basing the argument on rangers teams of the past all your high priced superstars and the teams of your glory years....you cannot and new owners whether it is green or Wattie are prepared to pay extra high prices for players and pay big wages ..so your product will not be as attractive, your threat will not be as be there... you will be buying the same priced players as the majority of the SPL and therefore on a level playing field with the so called rebel 10 you need to get real and understand whether its SPL or div 3 you will not have the quality of player you are used to...there will never be an overdraft of £millions at Rangers ever again.... and therefore you will become a top six club eventually if you are lucky..nobody is going to plough millions into your club for players,,,,,therefore i feel your threats of taking scottish football down with you are just sabrer rattling at best....JohnnyG

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JooooohnnnnyGeeeeeee- we're back! Sorry to disappoint you - I can almost feel your pain. Just wait till our new millionaire, sorry billionaire backers put some money in!

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Man are you ever dillusioned pal....remember manu when they were relegated back in king denis days......great clubs always return....huge...deecee

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Sky will plug if theres x amount of rangers v celtic games per year wether u like it or not this is what sells scottish football

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Correct sky is paying for the old firm with £4m rated stars in the teams. Rangers wouldn't deliver that anyway. Crap footballing product from Rangers for three years anyway.
Everyone of the current squad including youth can walk for free.

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Man you really are stupid.No were basing it on the number of traveling fans we take to other teams grounds.The fact that there are only two teams in scotland that people outside scotland are interested in and if we aint there there will be no sky deal.This means lots less money for several teams in the spl who are already struggling to survive these are the facts it is not that hard to understand.

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Just read that again johnnyG and it is even more idiotic than the first time i read it.Honestly you cant be that blinded with hate.The bottom line is if we are relegated we will be back.When we are back we will go to town with all the teams who sent us down.Yes we will never spend silly money on players again but we will still beable to spend more than 10 of the teams in the spl.Why because now we have the power to sell our own merchandise and secondly because we have a bigger fanbase and we will be debt free.I would advise all fans of all teams who think its good to kick us when were down do it good because you wont like it when we get back up and back up we will be.A rangers newco controls its own destiny now free from debt.The best one doing the rounds is do our own tv for every away game charge £4 to get into ibrox and beam the game back live offering the away team 20 grand to allow the cameras in.That is just one of many ideas doing the rounds so like i say have a good kick because you wont like it when we get back up.

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Er no it's not sabrer rattling no Rangers in the spl means no tv deal. Does not matter if Rangers have a team of world beaters or not tv only wants 4 old firm games per season as they bring in up to 1m viewers.

Why would any one pay £80m for a tv contract to watch Ross co vs Aberdeen play for the right to finish 40-50 points behind Celtic.

No Rangers and the spl is dead. Frankly Celtic fans should want Rangers in the spl as it's the only home game that Celtic get a full house in anymore, last season was Celtic's lowest average gates for 13 years.

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2# King Denis? What are you gibbering about? Law was a city player by then.More inane rambling from decay

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But your club has not returned Deecee. Its dead, defunct, extinct, liquadated, gone and not there anymore. Rangers remember them? Newco sunny boy means a new team.

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Wait and see....!! false dawns...JohnnyG

ps ..no pain here ......loving avery minute of yours though.....

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@1 Why didn't your 'billionaire step in before and save all this trouble?Pay off genuine 'wee' people who the club owed.Save them and this shame.Ready to buy cheap but not to do the right thing.

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1# A billionaire backer? Look where that talk got you before.

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Sky have stated they will pick up the contract

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It's not got much to do with the quality of the players on the field. It's viewing figures sky are interested in and the old firm is and will continue to be a game that has one of the highest number of viewers because of the drama and the quantity of Rangers and Celtic fans. IMO

pappy

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"Crap footballing product from Rangers for three years anyway"

Soooooo, that say's what about Mr Lennon?
BB

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In response...
a...no billionaire backer is going to spend on big signings...
B...your travelling support will not be as big when the glory hunters have no glory
C,,,beam backs must be agreed by SPL and home club..and as you state all other clubs are haters..why allow beam backs for a paltry 20 grand to enable the team you hate ( your words) to earn even more cash to use against them...
D... the shame of not paying your debts will live with you forever... all non rangers fans on here have been asking for some contrition and what do you do...bump creditors form a new co and declare billionaires will spend millions on our future team really a good way of getting the people you need to side with you ,,NOT...
E...Sky have stated less money but still show SPL games with or without you
F... the shame have NO shame and there is more pain to come but time will tell there is already civil unrest in your ranks ( the most loyal fans in the world) eye right....

Johnny G ( no hate just pure enjoyment)

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To number 16, you must live a very discontented life. Support your own team half as much as you hate ours, and you will do all right.

btw,

there are many more important events happening daily worldwide, only a game after all.

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Who exactly is the billionaire backer?.......
The only billionaire backer in Scottish football that I am aware of is Dermot Desmond.......

800-850 million is a bit short of a billion is it not?...

Hoopey67

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16 Jun 2012 00:18:51
HMRC stated that Rangers will have a fresh start with no debt, and no litigation from the oldco days.

Why if debt dies with oldco and litigation dies with oldco, what makes the SPL feel that they can apply sanctions to a
Newco for sins of an oldco.

HMRC, Ticketus, and all other creditors realise that a newco cannot be held liable for the sins of an oldco. why does the SPL feel they can apply sanctions to a newco for the sins of an oldco.

I could understand if the same directors were still in place and set up a Phoenix company, but those responsible are not involved in any way with the newco.

If as our friends across the city demand loss of history then they can't have it both ways. These same friends will declare that "they must be punished".

10 point deduction for going into admin caused by failure to pay HMRC.
Immediate no entry to Europe because we went into admin caused by failure to pay HMRC. Loss of £5m - £10m.
£160k fine for bringing the game into disrepute for not paying HMRC
12 month transfer embargo, later judged to be "unlawful".
Because we had the cheek to challenge this in the only way possible we now have threat of cup ba, suspension or expulsion, caused initially by the fact that we did not pay HMRC.
HMRC decide not to accept CVA because we failed to meet our tax requirements so they put us into liquidation. The end of our club, basically because Whyte failed to pay HMRC.
HMRC have confirmed they are going to pursue those responsible none of which are involved with the newco.
As a result of being in liquidation because we did not pay HMRC we can no longer be in Europe for three years, possible £30m plus loss.

It sure seems to me that we have been well and truely punished, we have been punished in the harshest way possible. Our club is no longer.

And now they want to punish the newco for the sins of the oldco. When exactly will these punishments end and how many more times will we be punished for not paying HMRC

The funny thing is the only ones that realise we have been punished is HMRC as they are going after those responsible and they will not be coming against the newco for the sins of the old.

Incidentally when were SFA and SPL appointed as enforcers for HMRC, as they have shown HMRC don't need any help.
If we owed British Gas and hadn't paid them would SFA and SPL have charged us with bringing the game into disrepute?

Changing the rules as and when they feel like it, a dangerous thing to do as had been shown with the unlawful embargo.

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First off cant believe you are only blaming white and that DM is still able to live happy after stealing your money as well as many of others and your club, but no its whites fault and all your legends had nothing to do with it....i guess it just hurts too much to say eh?
and the newco needs punish because whats to stop every other club from doing the samthing as yous and dogde the rules(once again). even some of your own or form fans said there plan all alone was to liq and start fresh, well you cant have it both ways, as yous say. and on top of evrything you want to take a place away from a club that has EARNED its way in FAIR and the RIGHT way. that is why you need punishment or else once another club is in a sticky situation then can say lets just pull a rangers, im guessing you wouldnt like it if yous were about to join the spl yet a club pulls a rangers and takes your place instead, but then again going by your thinking it s all right eh aslone as its not your club.

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That is why the SPL/SFA have suspended EBT investigations!

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A find it fascinating that people seem to think a newco can walk away from all it's debt and wrong doings but still retain or carry on old company/clubs history?! Surel you can't have it both ways? As for been punished enough the dual contracts were scandalous so you were not punished for them. Division 3 for any newco.

Campsie Tim

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Oh how easy and how quickly you forget about all the little prople that have been shafted with your behaviour...WE are saved..no debt...punished enough...lets get back to the top asap.......leave us alone so we can be Rangers once again...and rule supreme...sanctions are a must or you could be playing in front of only yourselves and before you say 50000 a game ..do you really think 50000 will turn up to see mediocre signings..JohnnyG

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You are getting punishments confused by not meeting criteria.....

10 points where deducted which had no effect on the outcome of the league - which meant yous didnt loose anything from it.

no entry into europe is due to not being able to complete the relevant paperwork due to being in administration.... this is just a rule.... not a punishment for an action.

160k fine for bringing game into direpute.

sfa tried to give a lighter punishment than was in rules (doing yous a favour) but now it looks like you will have to take one that is in the rules and one that has more efect....

Not being able to play in europe for 3 years is another rule that a club has to have 3 years running before it can play in europe.... another rule.... not a direct punishment.

up till now the only punishment that has been handed out is 160k which i am sure still has not been paid.

so for all the millions the club has ripped people off for, all yous have been fined up till now is 160k with a new owner and debt free.... and yous are complaining that yous have been punished enough???????

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What rubbish.
Are you Craig White? Assuming not what evidence do you have that White is not involved with Green?
Rangers have brought shame not only to themselves, Scottish football but to the Scottish nation.
Aquick switch of company nuber and come 3 weeks into the new season all will be well. Think not.
The non payment of VAT is in it's simlest form theft. The prime reason for administration was a decade or more of financial mismanagement and the failure of the fans to give Murray financial support when asked. When Murray wanted to divest where was the Rangers support missing as it was again during administration.
The new club needs to start again at the bottom of the tree and win back respect not by exploiting financial and legal loopholes.

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Again a blatant misrepresentation of facts.You will only be punished if you apply for the old rangers share in the SPL.

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How many times are you planning posting the same post. That's three times I've counted and it is still not all down to not paying HMRC. See my last response to this post during the week.
Al

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"do you really think 50000 will turn up to see mediocre signings"..JohnnyG

Happens at Celtic Park... well, as long as your winning that is

BB

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15 Jun 2012 23:36:56
Motherwell turnover £4.3m - estimated loss - £1.9m
Dundee United - turnover -£6.05m - est loss - £1.7m
Hearts - turnover -£7.9m - est loss -£1.6m
St Johnstone - turnover - £4.05m - est loss - £1.5m
Kilmarnock - turnover - £6.1m - est loss - £1.4m
St Mirren - turnover - £3.87m - est loss - £1.3m
Aberdeen - turnover - £7.05m - est loss - £1.2m
Inverness - turnover - £2.38m - est loss - £1.1m
HIBS - turnover - £7.06m - est loss - £1m
Dunfermline - turnover - £1.80m est loss - £900k

1) 44.18%
2) 28.1%
3) 20.25%
4) 37.04%
5) 33.59%
6) 17.02%
7) 46.21%
8) 14.16%
9) 50%

My business unlike most of the above makes a profit and has done for forty years. My business would not if my turnover fell by 14% I may have a chance to cut costs. If my turnover by anywhere near to 40-50% I would be out of business.
It seems the most vocal chairmen in SPL against newco are in large the clubs that would lose less. It really is a case of looking after themselves, sporting integrity will apply to those that can afford it.

Get real Scottish football is dead without us, no question.

Can I suggest that ten points, £160k fine, est £6m Europe loss for one year, now three years, poss £20m, closure of company, end of 140 years, is enough punishment for whyte not paying NI and Paye.

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WHAT ABOUT DM....YOUS STILL CANT UNDERSTAND WHATS GOING ON EH! i know they are your legends but face facts THEY ALL DONE YOUS OVER and STOLE your own and many others money.

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You can suggest that, but for some that s still no where near enough, unbelievably.

bil72

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The only punishment you have had is the transfer embargo which at the moment has been recinded( more on that later )
the 10 point deduction was not a punishmentr it was a rule of the game for going into administration which all clubs signed up for as part of the spl.
The three year embargo from european football again is part of the rules of the game, for going into liquidation due to 3 years accounts being unavailable , which again all clubs signed up for . lets put them aside because they would have been put in force with any club . so as it stands " rfc " as they were have had no punishment only rules being implemented .
Now back to the transfer ban that you went to court about , if "THE RANGERS F C " , want to take over the spl share then you should expect that the spl / sfa will place sanctions i.e for the court case ( uefa and fifa ) still watching , ebt case ( contract wise not hmrc wise ) and for not paying original paye etc .
any club would be getting the same no matter who they were !

rickster

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You have only had a standard 10 pt deduction ya clown! You disputed the rest after that was a procedure for going into liquidation... Try and dress it up ad you will to make yourself out to be the victims but you most certainly have not be punished enough!

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You are failing to factor in the following:

Without Rangers all those teams move up 1 place in the league. And get more SPL prize money.

One team finishes in the top half after the split that otherwise would not have

Dunfermline have been relegated. They are losing out whatever happens. But they got by before and they will get by again.

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Why are dunfermilne in your list? I assume they will now go bust as they have no SPL contract or games against trfc?

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Two games with rangers is almost half of motherwells turnover ? So after the two games with Celtic Motherwell only take 400k?

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15 Jun 2012 22:30:47
Slime bag McCoist parks right out the front door of Ibrox to put pressure on green to sell to the Smith consortium, it didn’t work, McCoist position will be made unattainable and he will be made to WALK AWAY, nice try sally but you just cost yourself your job,
Source: My eyes

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There should be a specsavers nearby!

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Slime bag? Did your telly switch over to Lennon right before your eyes as well.

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Your eyes mibbies saw it but the post came right oot yir ar$e...
BB

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Ally is no bigger than the CEO or chairman of the club. He's just a manager.
He's not bigger than the club.
He needs to know his position.

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Im a gers fan and liked mc coist as a player ,but i think he plays too much to the audience and dramatises everything ,i think he was used here and hes foolish not to realise that ,let green get on with the work he is doing and support your club as nobody else was willing to do it when the chips were down doug t.s.o

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15 Jun 2012 22:43:34
The best part about yesterday was Jim Trayner made to look like a complete fool on radio Scotland saying Ally was leaving ha ha the daily record what a pile of rubbish .

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Aaa those ppl, they were your favorites when they were telling yous all is well and how they were just putting Celtic down were you not. takes your club to fold to open your eyes?

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If fans want to boycott something boycott DR and the hacks will be out of work.

The DR is in a very fragile state and being propped up by Alex Salmond and government money.

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