Rangers Banter Archive November 16 2012

 

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16 Nov 2012 22:51:09
See CG making total eejit oh himself (and us) saying we will be playing in English Premier League and that we would have backing from Man U ( who quickly said they are against it and will oppose it. UEFA wouldn't allow this, EPL would want nothing to do with it so WTF is Charlie taking? Ed39 has mocked deluded fans for making the suggestion that we play in a foreign league. {The Ed039's Note - Its a nonsense, I think maybe 10-15 years ago the idea might have been a go-er, but now its just silly, Platini has different agendas at UEFA, and I dont think authorising moves such as this gets him the big seat at FIFA)

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The greatest deceipt lie of CG is the idea that he lies for the benefit of the club and fans.
His lies effect no-one not associated with Rangers.
His lies only carefully affect Rangers fans and their perceptions.
He doesn't lie for the benefit of the club at all but to deceive supporters and its all about getting our money. The club won't end if we don't buy Ahmed's shares.

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We were told at the beginning Ahmed's Zues Capital was underwriting rangers shares. Then news of the fraud squad all over Zeus. Then both Ahmed and Zues no longer mentioned.

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I do wish Charles Green would sometimes analyze things a bit more before coming out with statements like the Man Utd one.

How does he expect to possibly impress potential city investors when he is immediately told very publicly that he is completely wrong?

For me the share issue will probably go relatively well but I reckon the only people who will be putting their money into it will be the fans, any chance of the trust fund brigade/serious investors getting involved has gone already.

BARNEY BEAR

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Where did CG actually say 'we will be in the EPL'. He didn't you are just reading headlines. What he has said is he sees the future as being a regional league.

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@4 totally agree, idiots read what a newspaper print and actually believe that is what the person said, if you look at the story in one paper the only actual quotes (the wee bits in brackets for some of our friends on here) were
''As a football club, if Rangers were in the Premier League only Manchester United would be bigger''. and ''Arsenal haven't got more fans than Rangers''.

JG

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16 Nov 2012 21:21:54
McKay or Watt?

kev88

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Shouldn't that be McKay or who? {The Ed039's Note - Or should it be McKay or whom?)

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Both diff positions

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Different types of player so pointless to compare.

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Primark or Harrods?

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Lol Scotland's Ronaldo in the making, slayer of Galactico Barcelona. Fouled to stop him thoroughly embarrassing them with a second. Comparing this Titan to a skinny kid in the fourth tier.

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McKellor Watt ? george {The Ed039's Note - My old man used to work in McKellor Watt on Old Shettleston Road)

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Ronaldo in the making? Galacticos? Are you Stilll pissed from 10 days ago? come on. He looks promising ill give you that. Int caps? Bids from man u ? Thought not. And a team with mascherano at centre half are no Galacticos.

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Shame on you ED. I thought we did not criticise posters for their grammer on this page. Anyway they are both young lads and are still developing, the question will answer itself in a few years.jaz.rtid

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They are both equally useless

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It wasn't that long ago mark burchill was the new ronaldo, watt will be playing for some league 1 side in a couple of years from now.

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@10: It wasn't that long ago John Fleck was the new Rooney...

What was that about some league 1 side?

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@ 10 like John Fleck? Watt is 18, scored 7 goals in 12 games for Celtic, 6ft, pacey, good outside the box, strong,he will turn into a player as long as he is getting games, and right now Lennon fancies him over Miku & Lassad, and I'm sue he will be ahead of Stokes for the rest of the season. Definite potential Scotland striker.

G93

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To number 10, you appear to suggest that Watt is not good enough to play in the top flight of Scottish football, I disagree, not only scored against Barca but has scored at least 3 times coming of the bench this season and got a few at the end of last season. To ridicule him by saying he will be playing in division 1 in a couple of years is well off the mark, but if your team progress over the next two seasons your whole team will be in div 1........if......

Vambo

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@ 10 ... all your players will be playing for a league one side in a few year .... if you get promoted that is

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ANDY LITTLE!

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16 Nov 2012 20:09:54
What will be Rangers starting 11 v East Stirlingshire?

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Mostly young players who haven't had a pre-season and who'll be kicked all over the place so if they don't win they have an excuse lol

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Depends on who walter puts on allys team sheet

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I would consider playing Cole at C.B and keeping JIG upfront.

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Alexander
Argyriou Hegarty McCulloch Wallace
Macleod Hutton Black Aird
Shiels
McKay {The Ed039's Note - Andy Little has been passed fit according to Rangers website)

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Little will probably be playing instead of McKay then knowing McCoist, I think Temps might be on the bench.

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16 Nov 2012 19:41:57
Hi guys can someone explain to me why Charles green is going ahead with this share issue so soon?he price is 500 quid and what exactly am I going to get back from my share? Is it still going to be worth 500 quid after the results of ebt etc?hearing story's that cg is struggling financially and when u put into perspective that cheaper tickets yet same policing costs etc.it could be a possibility!?also there is so many holes in this mans policy at the moment I.e directors disappearing from prospectus.i hope it is all a case of slight paranoia but I am a little sceptical,I myself lost a lot of money when the oldco went bust and I need more convincing to put money back in.high attendances and big banners do nothing for me so other than the support which has been great what great prospects is ther for us supporters

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OP at least let me try and answer your questions
1 because he said he would when he took over

2, shares should be bought with a long term outlook, at least 5 years but everyone knows that buying shares in football will not make you rich, there is a high probability that you will not see any return on your investment, fans normally buy shares in clubs out of loyalty not as a way to make money

3 EBT will have no effect on the share price, that period is water under the bridge and what happens in the future will influence the share price more than the past, again anyone who buys shares knows they can go down as well as up, its a risk that investors take.

I am sorry that you and many others lost money on shares previously held but be honest none of us saw what was coming 3, 4, or 5 years ago

i have a question for you though, where is the prospectus you mention and how can i get a copy? despite all the above i will be buying if i think the current management and conditions are sound and the prospectus will go a long way to determining if that is the case

lastly you say attendances do nothing for you but remember any company needs customers, more customers attract more advertising and other sources of income, tennents are a good example why do you think they never stopped their sponsorship? because they reach a large audience by having their name on our shirt

sorry if that was long winded but you did ask!

JG

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Its not worth 500 now and never will be ... youll get a piece of paper to stick up on your wall and you will have the right to a say in the running of the club ... but only on phone ins and stuff

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I applied for a prospectus the first day they were announced at the club have had no reply or acknowledgement since. You don't need to expect any returns but maybe it will help the Club. You won't get returns from a football club certainly not a Scottish one. You should also be careful about asking questions or you will be branded a "Tim" as some of our supporters don't like our club being questioned, especially after what has happened before with our club.
Bobby

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I agree with the OP the timing of all of this is very suspicious. It makes no business sense at all for a share issue to go ahead while gers are in the 4th tier. If you add the growing concerns surrounding the financial circumstances around Scottish football and imminent reconstruction looking more likely to stabilise Scottish clubs to avert meltdown; the timing seems more than desperate. I accept that CG said he would have a share issue for fans to buy in but surely it makes far more business sense to wait till gers are at least back in the top division??

As for #2 how you can say that the EBT result is water under a bridge shows a complete lack of understanding. That and the dual contracts issue directly relates to the running of the oldco but it clearly shapes the perceptions of the influential media and business communities whether CG, or gers fans, like it or not. That is probably why CG has played a clever strategy in managing to stoke up gers fans to the point where he has failed to deliver on a large number promises and yet still has fans insisting he is on their side. That said I believe he will leave the club to the fans after the share issue is complete...question is... what will they own? By some accounts the albion car park is not listed in the prospectus; directors are missing....is this start, the middle, or the beginning of the end?

For the record as a Celtic supporter i'd rather find a way to get the old firm games back and spice up the league again. I have no concerns for the next couple of seasons once we are out of europe it'll be cakewalk; we need the challenge if we are to improve

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@1 Good reply post I feel it could go well in future, though I wish he , Green , would learn to keep his mouth shut.... Bigger than Arsenal... In EPL with Man Utd on board with idea.... All unnecessary S***E that makes hi look stupid, we are in Div 3 SFL it a long slog just to Div 1 top in SFL far less EPL, ffs INVENESS GUBBED US 3-0 at home ARSENAL could and wou;d likely show is up 7-0 or MORE.... brain in gear time CG.... george

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Watch the prospectus being issued immediately before share release so that little analysis scrutiny or criticism can be raised before shares on sale. Green's claims so far analysed on STV that currently Rangers valuation is the same as Celtic and will be twice that in 2 years (div 1.... Hopefully) is utterly ridiculous and a false representation of the club's value. Isn't there laws against this? If building societies, oil companies, high street brands, car companies, etc... Did this in share issues their CEO would be off to jail for swindling.

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First reply...shouldn't that be "walter under the bridge"...deecee

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@5 yes silly comments . However I don't think green was talking about current squads when comparing arsenal and rangers . Possibly fan base and potential revenue streams.

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4) of course it makes sense to do it now. They are at the lowest level possible and their value as a business must rise the nearer they get to top league and Europe. Doing it now gives opportunity to increase value. It makes no sense to do it when their value is at its highest.

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9) absolute rubbish upside down logic. If they are at their lowest value the owner should be holding onto them for maximum returns later.
However, these shares are criminally over valued.

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Well said,

I too have posted that the share issue is just too soon, after all the changes that have happened of recent. Waiting will give the club valuable time to get our house in order. Get the team playing, and good end of year financial accounts. Ebts, & dual contracts case still to be concluded. Lets just get all the rotten wood out first! Then PHASE 2 can begin, a share issue. By then the supporters should have a clearer picture of what they are buying into. We will know the TRUE value of the shares, also Green has a tendency to move the value of the club up and down at will!

Waiting too long could be costly, but too soon could be a disaster! We the supporters want to buy into the club, we already have, we were born into it. That's the biggest history you can get! WE must decide when the share issue takes place. Cmon no more relying on suits and show them that we already have our shares! (Yet we are still willing to BUY shares.)

We got pacified, by murray, duped by whyte, and Green saw an opportunity when we were on the ropes. We need straight talking and Its time for us to be heard, and coherently!

Good banners could be a start.

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@ Bobby - rangers asked fans to register their interest in buying shares, it was not an application for a prospectus, despite what the east end accountants are spewing on here there is no issued prospectus yet, be patient it will be issued and then we can all decide if we want to invest

JG

JG

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@10 you do know the shares are only£1 a pop but you have to buy a block of 500 for the company to take you seriously. Look I know you lot love any opportunity to rip green down but it must be a green thing because you lot slaver mare p,Sh than he does. Honestly in your st,pid attempts to sl,g of rangers you make yourselfs look so pathetic I almost feel embarassed for you

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@13: why couldn't #10 be a Rangers fan?

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@14 because rangers fans ain't st,pid enough to say a share costs £500 we know they are a pound a pop but you have to buy a minimum of 500. Also it ain't hard to tell by the post that he ain't

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@15: have you read post 10? It doesn't mention one share costing £500. You do know that fans of other teams post on here so it could easily be one of them instead of a Celtic fan. It could also be a Rangers fan who disagrees with the share issue etc. Or isn't that possible and everything you and other disagree with is posted by Celtic fans?

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@16 yes but he states criminally overvalued what at one quid a pop. I think it's quite clear what he was getting at and secondly like I said no rangers fan is stu,id enough to post that. Thirdly don't care if he's a Celtic supporter he is still slavering p,sh whichever team he supports

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@17: there are plenty of daft comments made on here by Rangers fans and many sensible Rangers fans posting their uncertainty about the share issue and the valuations etc. Does that mean they can't be Rangers fans, because you don't agree or think that Rangers fans would post comments like that? Who put you in charge?

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@18 100% agree with you. You can't have a different opinion on here or you get accused of being one of them. The saddos on here that do that are wasting what should be a great site.

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Maybe he just feels hes getting ripped off paying £500 to raise 20 million for a percentage of a club by a guy who paid only 5 million for the whole thing a few month ago

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I'm op how can u say the share is 1quid each? On a pure business sense of it no one is going to pay 1pound but to ask for 500quid in return u get the exact same as u would for a pound! It makes no sense if everything is Rosie and cg was financially sound then why push us fans to fork out so much in the one go?surely if they are only a pound then we should be able to buy 10 or 20 or whatever us fans can afford??

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I dont see any reason why rangers shares cant be sold in the pound shops ...

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16 Nov 2012 19:33:58
Sometimes I wish Charles Green would just keep his mouth shut I find him embarrassing at times We know we would never get I to the EPL and no club or league tried to welcome us when we went into administration Surely he is not getting desperate to try and push this share issue

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Not if it relies on Aston Villa's vote

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16 Nov 2012 18:57:34
Can anyone please advise what any good Walter smith is going to make? If he interferes at MP it will be just that. He has no directorial competence. I'm convinced our finances are severely worrying and he is there to provide reassurance to fans to part with money. He's not doing it for free and getting something highly probably shares as there's no money.
I also think he was told its desperate times and if he wants the club to survive then he has to get involved and help. With the share issue or its hasta lavista baby. Who has share issue 4 months into a newco situation unless its critical?

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Walter is a Rangers man, there is no doubting that. Why would he not want to be a director?

As far as I am concerned I am glad he's there because he can keep an eye on what's going on.

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Op - walter was a winner, he knows what it takes to win,
before anybody starts on about ally being his assistant and taking over from him, think on this,
walters priority was not to teach ally how to be a manager, it was to win trophies for rangers and who can say he never did that

Thats what he brings and he knows what being a ranger is all about how any bear can think about criticising the cardigan is beyond me

JG

JG

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Charles green provided the answer when he invited Walter on to the board.Boards are made up of people who have a vast knowledge of finance management marketing media and as far as a football team is concerned football Walter smith has local national and international experience like tommy burns Walter smith is respected throughout the football world has an excellent media presentation and especially a massive knowledge of the workings of Scottish and European football in my opinion he is highly qualified

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But Walter won a lot of these trophies whilst employing players you couldn't really afford with financially underhand tactics. Everton supporters will tell you how it is when he operates under the rules.

Stan {The Ed039's Note - And that is Walters problem how? He inherited players on this tax scheme, I am not denying they were there, but of the players he signed, who were on EBTs? Do you think Everton were a progressive club when Walter was there? How many different managers in a short space of time did Everton go through before employing David Moyes?)

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@ 3 a lot of rambling their can you finnish your post of ... a lot of experience to do what ?? do they have a kick about in the board room ??

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Ed, ok good points. Best of luck to him, I like the guy really, behaves as a manager should. I was really at the wind up/bantering {The Ed039's Note - Sorry, the words dont give out the sound of sarcasm lol)

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5 you show yourself up by your comment and your total lack of understanding.I find it difficult to accept that you are a genuine rangers supporter with the good of the club at heart and yes there will be a kick about in the boardroom that's what happens ideas and opinions get kicked about and a strategy is agreed on

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Walter excellent media presence? Like when he let the veil slip with his sidekick in the tunnel with vile demeaning comments to chic young on camera? Still on YouTube?
Recruiting and playing entire teams on illegal EBTs, fully in the knowledge of them as it was under his transfer and salaries budget? I'm convinced he will be removed by SFA on liquidation of oldco.
He is also responsible for the strategy of giving it all to hapless Ally. {The Ed039's Note - What a sad little man, Walter inherited a business riddled in EBTs, I am sure he did have knowledge of them as well, but when a man he trusted such as SDM tells him its under control, I am sure he thought he had no reason not to believe a man he had such a strong relationship with. The only 2 players I can see that where on EBTs under Walters remit were Pedro Mendes and Steve Davis, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Walter didnt handle the contract negotiations.As for Walter being removed "upon liquidation of oldco", tell me, for what? I think you need to engage your brain before you start typing)

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As a Celtic man what harm can he do? Regardless of all the dual contracts carry on he surley knows the lie of the land , football wise and I'm sure he has the fans and club at heart. Timing suspect , Greens motives transparent but wwwid still say its good for your club to have him there.

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No 7 ideas an strategy on the football side get kicked about the training field by the manager ... yet again you failed to state your own point what will walters experience bring to the board ??

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". As for Walter being removed "upon liquidation of oldco", tell me, for what? "

eh, are all directors up to 5 years prior to liquidation of a company capable of being banned from being directors again?

basic company law...no?

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17 Nov 2012 21:05:38
Walter like ally is there to give the share issue some credibility to the masses. Like ally in return he'll be bunged a few quid for lending his face to the project. He clearly has no shame in his involvement in the liquidation of the "real" rangers and is back to fleece the poor unsuspecting public one more time taking advantage of their unassuming loyalty and reluctance to accept the truth. Ally is too stupid to no any better and probably believes whats he's saying smith knows better

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@eds reply to 8) Smith was a director of oldco it's on companies house returns.
Directors of liquidated clubs are banned from taking such posts for 5 years with other clubs. On liquidation wattie will be banned for 5 years. {The Ed039's Note -Perhaps why he has a post of non executive director then)

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16 Nov 2012 18:39:05
charles green needs to go "we want to play in england" he said, we would not win a thing for the rest of time he is mad get him to heck i want spl return i want old firm day back!

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Really don't know what he's up to. More lies about man utd supporting the move immediately denied by utd. Why does he think he'll get away with these tales? People may say it's an attempt to drum up interest in the share issue but surely being seen as a liar will only prove detrimental.

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Bigger than Arsenal?
Hes beginning to sound as mad as a box of frogs

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....The old firm is no more...and as a life long Rangers fan i,m beginning to think that is a good thing....a clean break would be a good thing for us...time to leave all this hatred behind...dont know about my fellow bears but i for one will never forget or forgive the way we have been treated by Scottish football...

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You are 100 per cent correct i will also never forgive or forget one by one they will all fall

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The spl voted against letting you straight back into the spl thats it ... was it not your new found friends in the sfl that voted you into the 3rd ?? did they not have the option of 1st or bottom or not at all and choose bottom ... oh well thats bestest friends for you

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We deserve to be in our place so we work our way back up end of , no euro super leauges or trying to get in the best leuage in the planet

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As a Hibs fan I couldn't find any argument against rangers rejoining the SPL, then I couldn't argue against the decision not to allow the new Rangers into the SPL. I honestly thought that going into division three would present Rangers with an opportunity no other club has had. Rangers will win the league, they are finding it tough but you'll end up wining at a canter. You could have done it with lesser players and there's the rub.

I thought you'd say it's a fair cop, we are here lets keep quiet and get on with it. Imagine a local charity given free advertising on your shirt alongside your main sponsor.
Imagine the club engaging with fans instead of stoking up the they hate us rants which some of you believe.

My opinion has turned against Rangers because of Charles Green, he twists thing and tells lies. he uses the fans love for the club instead of embracing them. He has used Ally McCoist and when the grumblings started against Ally he brought in Walter. The man is a fool and a genius.

I think if Walter is the voice of Rangers things will change, The SPL never threw you out, you weren't relegated to the third division. You were accepted into the SFL at the beginning. Win hearts and minds and get back to the SPL. the consequence of the past are being felt, the consequence of the present will make you stronger in the future. {The Ed039's Note - Great post)

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SFL has rangers where it wants it...... Milking the cash cow for three years before handing it back to the big farm up the road.
Meanwhile hoodwinking the gullible with palsy walsy soundbites of restructuring. Whilst SPL business as usual getting on with it.

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Does green know their was a vote a few year ago and the epl voted against the old firm joining the premiership ?? i thought he doesnt forget things like that or play in leagues that didnt welcome him

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16 Nov 2012 03:11:01
Ed, not enough banter and discourse on this share issue.
What do you think of the RST £125 initiative because Ibrox has gone deafeningly quiet? I know your not buying shares but do you think it's ok for those who can't afford £500?
Imran Ahmed and Craig mathers?!? Have dissapeared and Wattie and Hart, two oldco trumpeters have been shoehorned in what's going on?
This guy who gave £1,000,000 for youth development had to have the run of MP. Is he dodgy or something like Ahmed's Zeus Capital? Why has it all gone quiet on him? {The Ed039's Note - I think it MIGHT be a good idea, to get a fan on the board is a good thing, but it is only a good thing if you have a strong personality and there is full disclosure of everything back to those investing in the RST, the last thing anyone needs is another yes man, so if it works out well ion that regard then it is a good thing, especially as you say you can fork out the £500 required to do it direct)

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Surely as Associates of oldco being liquidated wattie an hart shouldn't be near newco. Same actually goes for anyone. Including McCoist and Durant. They were all as management/ directors partially responsible for the downfall. {The Ed039's Note - Really? They were given a job to do and they done it, the damage was done by people much further up the food chain, and the folk who were tasked with coming up with ideas, not the folk who put the team out on the pitch)

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Fly wae the craws shot wae the craws ed.
We all nail our colours to one leader and they all nailed there's with sdm. Best pals wae sdm they were/ are.
It's a disgrace they are still there. It was an opportunity to start over cleanly without taint but were having to pay for this old baggage. McCoist in particular has been a disaster in football and in PR and Reputation. So instead of getting rid of him they bring back smith to prop him up. This model is going nowhere. {The Ed039's Note - You do make a good point, but if my boss makes a complete and utter mess of the company, then me as a member of his management team, do I get hung out to dry as well when new owners should come in? If he were to maniplulate the tax system or systematically not pay bills, do I and other senior members of staff pay the price for that too?)

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Give it a rest ed, old clubs employees bring old problems even you can see that its like ally not being able to change from old managers style

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Op - you ask for some discourse, you get fly wi the craws, i think you aimed too high there, better keeping it simples

JG

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16 Nov 2012 14:31:26
ok Ed001

i have reduced size to 114 kb and up loaded once again let me know it it gets through please

lochaber bear {Ed001's Note - done.}

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Honestly Lochaber, the concession prices were £7. Look at the Celtic website for the Scottish Cup game against Arbroath, the pricing is the same. An adult ticket was £15, season ticket before the deadline (which i missed) was £12

What's the point of this anyway, just wondering ? Mrs E

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I was at the game and it was £15 a ticket but as mrs E is saying why does it really matter


Bman

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Dont mater to me just want confirmation that the idiot my daughter married was using a child's ticket to get into games and he is 28 years old


Lochaber Bear

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My God mrs e on this page, the tim page must be really boring or just have timalloy posts all over it.

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Lochaber thats not the worst of it mate i know 2 guys who enter parkhead throught the turnstiles up the bum of the person infront nearly every 2nd week theres always a few empty seats for them anyway, Greatest fans in the world my Eye!

Larky Bear {The Ed039's Note - I was at Kilmarnock last year and I seen about 6 guys doing this, and the stewards taking money off folk to let them in. Rangers game at Kilmarnock, it happens everywhere, has done for years and wont stop folk. My cousins dad changed his ticket into his sons name when the turnstiles changed from ticket collectors because nobody questioned it. Like I said, happens everywhere and goes back to the days when dads used to lift their sons over fences, walls and turnstiles)

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@4 I only posted as it was about Celtic prices & money ~ Mrs E {The Ed039's Note - You are now a regular poster, and I will be informing Ed007 lol)

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Lochaber and Larky. Me, my three mates and my bro in law all were getting into Ibrox for years on children's tickets. Our ages range from 31-38 and I will tell you this for nothing, when we get back to the SPL we will be doing it again. Human nature makes you always looking for a cheaper option and as ed says about bunging stewards at away games. I'm no timmy but I'll say one thing, some amount of Rangers fans are embarrassing themselves with their pettiness. They must spent too much time reading about Celtic instead of our club and we slag them about obsession. All you do is talk about them Lochaber, I've never seen you talk about Rangers on here, you should maybe try and grow up a bit son. {The Ed039's Note - Bit harsh on LB, seen plenty of posts about Rangers, but about bumping ticket prices, I aint gonna slag anyone for it because it goes on all over the place, and its easier now, as opposed to the old days when you handed your season book over and your tear off slip was numbered and the books were colour coded to differentiate between adults/childs and concessions, you just scan your plastic card and you are through the turnstiles, so technically I could change my ticket into my wee cousins name and use some lame excuse like work commitments mean I cant make games anymore, and just walk in with no questions asked, and I know loads of people who do it, one of my mates uses his dads concession ticket. It happens, not saying its right, but it happens)

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16 Nov 2012 14:06:47
A lot of reports today that Uefa is speaking to Celtic about a euro regional league for the smaller Countries top teams to bridge the financial gap with the big leagues top teams. Makes complete sense.
Are Uefa speaking to us about it? Or do we require three years accounts as a newco before getting in? Or be in the SPL top two?
I really think if Celtic leave the SPL then it will become a completely lower income model but more competitive.
I suppose if the best team goes to euro league then winning SPL doesn't get u into CL playoffs.
Just think we aren't at the big table anymore and won't be for four years, 3 to get to SPL and another year playing there.

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Lol why would a new club in division 3 be invited to discuss the prospect of a euro elite league?!

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OP - "makes complete sense" to who?
read your post again its totally nonsense

How can taking the top teams from each of the smaller countries leagues even start to bridge the financial gap between the reals and man citys and anyway i thought that the UEFA financial fair play rule was supposed to help do that

you say if celtic leave the SPL,
eh where are they going? a euro regional league, does that mean no CL league for them and other teams from smaller countries?
so only the big teams will play in the CL leaving even more money for them to divvy up, oh aye its all making sense now

are you sure you are a bear? tut tut

JG

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I'm afraid you answered your own question - we can't play in european competitions until we have posted 3 yrs financial accounts.
JMG

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1) uefa will whore themselves to any clubs that will make them money through tv revenue. That's why English,Italian, Spanish clubs have 4 teams in CL and nothing to do with the coefficient crap they spout.

blueice

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@1 cos rangers of div 3 are extremely well supported. Some may argue the beast supported club in the country. It's easy getting a decent gate in the SPL. Or so you would think.

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I am fifty years old, I have been listening to going to England or European League or Atlantic League. In another 50 years they will still be talking about it. It wont happen because too many people will suffer. i see Green is talking about EPL, no doubt to boost share issue. Just hot air.

i see Lawell is talking about Euro league, wont happen, just hot air

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The ignorance of some people is remarkable . RFC is the best supported club in Scotland. There World Wide support is also phenomanal. And luckily for the rest of the world Peter Liewell does not run UEFA.

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Liewell is the most devious man in scottish football

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@8: more so than Whyte or Murray was?

What's the basis of your accusation?

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The ignorance of some people is remarkable... . RFC is the best supported club in Scotland ... how can anyone disagree with the first part after reading the second ??

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At 4, i think youll find italy only have 3 teams that can get in the cl, they lost a spot to germany

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@2) it makes sense as the champions from : Scotland, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Greece, Poland, Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Austria could be in a league with televised games every week with cross Europe advertising and big money income. The top two go into group stages with third and fourth into Europa or CL play offs. The added income from TV and increased home gates puts them on a better footing against Man U, Barca, Chelsea, Real Madrid, inter, bayern etc.......
Sinking in?

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12) it makes sense for the teams involved, it does not make sense for the hundreds of teams in the leagues left behind. Look at the game in this country, look at the state without one major player, without them both, put the lights out and shut the door on the rest. It will not happen in your life time. Too many suffer and UEFA are supposed to look after all.

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16 Nov 2012 12:51:33
have i missed something or has the IPO prospectus been released to the east end accounting experts before it has been released to the bears who registered interest in buying shares?

Just a question as i am now seeing timmy quoting lots of figures on here and i never received a notice of a prospectus being available

JG

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Figures appear to have come from the STV website of a 'leaked' document.
JMG

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The figures are from the brokers, not the published share issue. patience please as we will see soon enough

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Aye JG did you knot know . Peter Liewell is organising it. Get with the programme

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@3: why Liewell? Has he lied? Have Rangers owners etc. lied? Murray, Whyte and now Green have all been found out as liars. And they've lied very well given their lies have been swallowed as the truth by so many Rangers fans.

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@3 - sorry mate but i am asking because i am a bit far away and canny buy my daily rebel here or tune in to raman on stv every night, so i am asking fellow bears to keep me up to speed wi whats happnin back there

JG

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16 Nov 2012 10:38:31
with all this over the top nonsense about sir saint wise old walter coming back and with him being somewhere between god and the worlds best manager, why does he not just wave his hands above ibrox and put us back in the premier league and then wiggle his nose and we will be filled with star players again. thanks walter for coming back and taking a wage from the club after telling us you would not be involved with rangers again.

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Eh....whit?

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He ain't taking a wage

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What is with the ''us'', behave

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In the wise old words of Yoda Timmy in disguise me thinks

Lochaber Bear

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Seriously now #2 how do you know he isn't taking a wage? Just because it fits your agenda you assume he isn't taking anything? I wouldnt believe anything that comes out of these guy's mouths! And he will give up his spare time for nothing then will he? Dillusional seems to still be the way down there doesn't it!! {The Ed039's Note - Assume anything, he has come out and said he doesnt get any financial gain from it, others have said it so why the doubt, the people that have lied time and again are gone so get over it)

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@5 glad ed shot you down save me the trouble you total tool. Why do you lot want to believe he would be taking a wage oh yeah because it fits your agenda. Honestly welldone you are officially my mo,on of the week

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@4: typical, whay couldn't the OP be a Rangers fan, albeit not a very clued up one?

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Im the original poster so walter isnt taking a wage fine then whys he there then. far too any rangers fans idolise this man who is a legend in the eyes of rangers fans only. he is not rated beyong these shores in any way. what happened to im finished with rangers but not football. ill tell you what happened he thought the premiership was gonna offer him allsorts of jobs and npne hapened. he thought the job offers would come rolling in but they were not forthcoming because noone wants an ultra defensive manager with a very poor eye for a player a man who signed christian dailly, kenny miller,lee mcculloch, davie weir etc get over it wil you rangers fans he is just not great or a legend {The Ed039's Note - Poor eye for a player, Kenny Miller? How many old firm goals? Lee McCulloch, versatile and commited to the max? And DAVIE WEIR ..... the best piece of business done by any Rangers manager for years, Mr Conistency til the end. Come on, you have got to be having a laugh)

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Just ask any Everton fan about Smith and the word legend is well down on the list of adjectives to describe him.

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@4: not how Yoda speaks that is.

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Again i have to a say he is a legend only in rangers fans eyes . defensive stuffy boring manager.

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16 Nov 2012 10:03:13
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@15 Where did you get this nonsense that the price of a ticket V St Johnstone was £7,I paid £15 for mine and was glad to pay it.If you can't get your fact's right,stop talkin pi$$
Tam

sorry Tam looks like you have been had as i have the ticket stub in my possession as well as one from the Celtic v Raith in September cost £12 i have uploaded them to the sightings page but they have not appeared yet these ticket stubs belong to my son in law.


lochaber Bear {Ed001's Note - nothing has come through to the sightings page, try emailing using the contact form and you can send them to me direct to post up. See if that works. The files are probably too big.}

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Could £7 be a child's ticket ?
Tam

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Hi ed 1 i have no idea of how to email you direct with the pics


lochaber bear {Ed001's Note - that's why I said to use the contact form to get in touch mate, then I will tell you how. Or you can use a programme (such as irfanview which is free) to reduce the size of the file you are trying to upload and try uploading the pics again.}

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Lochaber Bear¦I wouldn't normally post but is this the league cup game as the tickets were defo £15. I can send mine into the Celtic sightings page if you like. Mrs E

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@3 well my moron of a son-inlaw must be using a childs ticket to get into the game (told my daughter not to mary him) it does not say child on it, anyway i will try and reduce size of file so you can see im not bulls***ing

Lochaber Bear

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@4 your right but they will never agree they hate it when were right just as much as they hate it we still exist. Many Celtic people did a lot of digging about rangers sent letters to places ie media outlets and kept on twisting until someone listened this is how obsessed they are with hating rangers. They despise the fact that we are bigger than them domestically more successful than them they really did want to see us die as they knew this was the only way they would ever be bigger. So imagine there pure hate and disgust that we survived

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@5: the only hate and disgust evident here is in your post - it's full of it.

#4 wasn't actually right in claiming all tickets were £7 so you're argument is mince too. I guess you needed some sort of excuse, no matter how flimsy, to post a bitter rant on here.

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@5 What the fek are you on, this was a debate about ticket price's, you then come on with your bigoted rant,ffs get a life and pull your knuckle's off the ground. No wonder you did not put your name to the post.
Tam

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@6/7 hook line and sinker honestly timmy baiting is just to easy sometimes. As for bitterness and hate that is exactly what your replys smell of I bet as soon as you seen my post you were full of anger and couldn't wait to reply. As for being a bigot tam do you even know the meaning of the word because by your response to my post it would certainly indicate you are one. As for my post no5 it was done purely to see how easy it would be for you obsessed idi,ts to bite remember this is a banter site obviously my post was nonsense but it served its purpose just perfect

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@8: easy excuse to make now you've been found out big time as someone who posts bitter rants on a forum. Can you please point out the bitterness and hate in post #6?

And how does Tam's post show he's a bigot? Your replies should be interesting, or just a laugh!

Incidentally, I'm not a Celtic fan so it makes you look even dafter in assuming that anyone who disagrees with you on here is.

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@9 and you say I have been found out big time what exactly have I been found out on. No6 his response to my post and what he wrote tends to be a good indicator of ones thoughts at the time of typing. He used the words hate and disgust in his response therefore indicating he felt hate and disgust. No7 whole response is full of anger swear words etc and the fact he called me a bigot and the way he took offence to my post would suggest he is a bigot if you know the true meaning of the word. As for you not being a Celtic fan how does that make my post even dafter as you ain't a rangers fan. As for your need to state that you are not a Celtic fan to try and belittle me this only leads me to conclude you are. You can say what you want about me I don't care unlike you I understand the fact that this is a banter page and the whole idea of banter is to wined other people up to try and get a response

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@10: you don't have a clue, obviously. By your logic, if anyone uses the words hate and disgust that means they feel them at that time?! Have you re-read your original post?

Love (must be feeling that now, by your reckoning, so can't be full of what you ridiculously accuse me of).

There is nothing bigoted about Tam's post - it is just a strongly worded reply to your original irrelevant nonsense. Your original post was full of bitterness and intolerance; maybe this doesn't make you a bigot but Tam's reply is certainly not bigoted so I suggest you check the meaning of the word yourself.

Finally, you obviously believe this to be a site just for Rangers fans. Wrong. It's a site for banter about Rangers. Once again, I'm not a Celtic fan and it shouldn't matter who I support. What does matter - and what annoys you (lol) - is that your excuse about banter is feeble at best and your original post is, indeed, a bitter rant. Not banter at all and certainly not relevant to the OP.

As for trying to belittle you, I don't need to: you've managed that perfectly well yourself in three posts. You might want to calm down a little and make sure you read the posts, including your own, a bit more carefully in future.

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@10 Count the agree's and disagree's on the post's concerned say's it all really.
Tam

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16 Nov 2012 02:40:07
Watt signs four year deal with Celtic. This young man is one of the most naturally gifted teenagers in Scottish football. Running on for his second goal against Barcelona only to have been pulled down. Celtic brought him onboard for £80k. This is good business but youth development cannot run a big club alone.
There also has to be the capability to spot talent. Apparently Watt trialed at Murray Park and was shown the gate. Seems to me if the same scouts are still there then they should be shown the gate. We cannot afford such passengers.

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Disagree here because the scouts did their job in spotting him and bringing him to Ibrox for a trial.

The fact that he wasn't picked up isn't their fault.

BARNEY BEAR

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The Scouts didn't spot him at all. It was the Airdrie manager that pressed Ibrox regarding the boy. Highlighting his praises and eventually getting him the trial.
He was shown the door.
So poor scouting out there watching youth games etc,... Relying on others highlighting talent and also poor judgement or processes once we get them in the door.

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That's how scouts generally work, they often respond to recommendations from others. The Rangers scout has been tipped off, went to see the lad and put forward his name for a trial at MP.

BARNEY BEAR

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Rangers scouts don't drive around Scotland watching youth/ junior games every week. They sit on their duffs at MP offices and wait on the phone ringing.
Knocking back good lads or inviting them to MP for trial only to give them scant time. I actually think youth identification isn't even proceduralised nor flow charted.

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Watt will be a flash in the pan mate that Barca game will be the highlight of his career.

Remember when the tic were saying Mark Burchill was the new Michael Owen pmsl

Wise auld Bear

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@5: wasn't Fleck the new Rooney?

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Barrie mckay is the new rooney!

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