Rangers Banter Archive September 16 2016

 

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16 Sep 2016 21:42:16
Does anyone actually know what was said in the Barton incident?



16 Sep 2016 21:52:27
It seems that quite a few players don't like Barton is what I've heard. He also apparently challenged Warburton.



16 Sep 2016 23:23:26
Apparently it was along the lines of, 'I've got kids older than this club'. Hail Hail.



17 Sep 2016 00:21:04
Tamtimtic, hilarious.



17 Sep 2016 04:44:52
Tam Tic, well ......*foul message deleted*.



{Ed001's Note - the moment you go there you are deleted you piece of human excrement. You disgust me. Scum.}

17 Sep 2016 07:19:45
you should post the bile Ed, show other people what the poster is really like, also said the same to our Ed.



{Ed001's Note - it just encourages others to post the same when we do that mate.}

17 Sep 2016 07:32:58
Fair point Ed, can't get my head round that in this day and age this BS still goes on, Does my head in tbh.



{Ed001's Note - it happens on all the sites mate, that is why we have to have editors, sadly. You only have to look at twitter to see that humanity is full of pond scum who will descend to any depths to hurt others.}

17 Sep 2016 07:38:29
wouldnt go near it Ed, poisonous site that promotes it imo.



{Ed001's Note - I hate it on there, it is just sickening, which is why I haven't used my account in so long. Just no point.}

17 Sep 2016 08:02:05
never used it tbf, that the one with the hashtags i believe, i use facebook but that's it, and even that's just to talk to mates i can't see on a daily basis, You have a good day Ed.



{Ed001's Note - I don't have facebook, so don't use it. Take care mate.}

17 Sep 2016 11:48:45
I had heard a rumour he said something along those lines, but I doubt it. That totally contradicts what he said on Talksport about constructive criticism.

If that is what he's said, which I doubt, then MW was right to send him away.



16 Sep 2016 19:20:15
I was never convinced Barton was going to be a good thing for rangers.
Warburton always said that not only did any player we bought add quality to the team but they also needed to have the right attitude.

Something they always considered when looking at a player.
Then unexpectedly Bartons on his way to Rangers. Not exactly someone with an impeccable attitude.

The most worrying thing for me was, could our young tight knit team from last season cope with someone with such a big ego in the dressing room and would it have a negative effect on the younger players having such a strong personality alongside them.

It looks like this has been the case.
Joey Barton has had too much to say for himself since he turned up, and made himself look an absolute idiot with his twitter ramblings about Brown and Rodgers. If he played football with his mouth we would be top of the league right now. In all reality he has been barely average, certainly not the standout midfielder he was proclaiming himself to be.

I wouldn't miss him one bit if he was shown the door.



16 Sep 2016 20:31:29
Spot on the money sir.



16 Sep 2016 23:24:03
The one thing that Barton has done indirectly is made these players realise that there game has to improve and there attitudes to get better or they can be easily dealt with just like Barton.

When Barton comes back they have to deal with it like men and get on with it, that includes warburton because it's not just the players Barton called out but the manager, not defending him in anyway but could turn out to be a good thing because to be honest they needed a kick up the backside and I include everybody in that.

Time will tell, tomorrow might just see a better team on the park. I want to go and see a high tempo attacking team, a different line up and the young boy from raith getting a chance. Roll on tomorrow a good positive display and win would be great.



16 Sep 2016 23:51:21
MW should have clamped down in him earlier. To call his Tweets about anything and everything, including the Brown and Rodgers nonsense, as tongue in cheek, gave Barton the uperhand.

He is not in any way classy and whilst we didn't perform, for that criticse others is a joke. WTF. were we thinking of signing him, Krancar and Hill, upping our already inflated wage bill for these pensioners is a disgrace.



16 Sep 2016 18:57:51
Putting all this Barton bust up to one side, on a positive note I've just watched Josh Windass in his press conference from yesterday and I'm really impressed with the boy. For such a young guy, he came across really well, intelligent, humble and handled the press extremly well. Great attitude. He could be an absolute star for us this season, showing real promise with his pace and being direct on the ball in the few games I've seen him in. Hopefully Crooks has a similar attitude and equal potential.



16 Sep 2016 17:43:46
Barton = Ask yourself this would Smith, Souness put up with his twatter ramblings or press no so he has to go. he's Bad News.



16 Sep 2016 17:53:35
Think Smith put up with quite a bit from Gazza.



16 Sep 2016 17:57:17
The ironic thing is using your reasoning, Warburton must go as he is not able to control his player.



16 Sep 2016 18:07:15
The club leaked the story not barton! And souness had plenty of problems with players over the years including bellamy. And I'd say say there was plenty of arguments in smiths dressing rooms over the years with the egos he had to deal with. It should of been sorted by now.



16 Sep 2016 23:44:00
What you all forget is that your club cannot get rid of Barton, it would cost too much money which your club does not have. Watch the PR spin on monday with a contrite Joey, until the next time because your dressing room is now divided.



16 Sep 2016 23:29:59
Gazza was a footballing genius. Therin lies the difference.



17 Sep 2016 10:00:33
Bruisedbear

yeah he was a genius not disputing that but he did have baggage and Smith did have to put up with a lot from him.



17 Sep 2016 11:56:26
Gazza was a superstar, matchwinner. most managers give abit of leeway to those types of players. In Bartons case he's not even the best midfielder at Rangers so that's why its abit different.



16 Sep 2016 16:03:09
Barton probably, gave an honest opinion, that some people did not like. ie halliday especially as barton has taken his spot in the team, from what I hear it was not a one way conversation, some players stating that they beat Celtic without barton, those players seem to be living on passed performances, never a good thing.

From what I've seen this season, we are one paced, no intensity, poor passing and some players are off form, too predictable, also the Manager does not seem to know his best Team, its just not the bad performance against Celtic, it's a general apathy in performance.



16 Sep 2016 17:00:27
Quite possibly Barton was given an honest critique of his shocking performances this season. Could his presence in the dressing room be having a detrimental effect on the team. He does not fit in with the way Warburton likes to play, have to question why he was brought here. Was he even MW's choice?



16 Sep 2016 18:16:46
I think this rammy has probably been brewing for a few weeks and now that it has happened hopefully the team can get together and realise they need to pull together and start winning games. This should be a wake up call to some and to start justifying their wage and reputation, Warbs needs to get a settled squad and having Barton and Nico on the bench then opens the door to putting Holt, Windass and Rossiter on the pitch witch we all want to see, I think Barton will come good and to be able ti call on him during a game as with Nico would be a hammer blow to teams if the manager does it at the right times. Giv McCay a break he's going to stick wi Sendaros so put either Wilson or Crooks. Beside him with Forested on the right and O'Hallaron on the left and tell them to switch flanks at times during games both are right footed so giv them both a chance. Stick Wags and Garner up front I know Dodoo is out the now but imo the lad will do well for me that's our best team at THE moment and its a 4-4-2 in my eyes, Could Warbs not set the team up 4-4-2 but get the team to break into a 4-3-3 at times? Playing out from the back with players that are multi-positional, I'm sure this could be done at times during match Warbs seems stuck on this 4-3-3 and against certain teams yeah but others were needin more strength in middle of the park! Honest Bears this bust up was probably needed now its time for Warbs to man manage and players to realise who the f*ck their playing for!



16 Sep 2016 18:24:32
Looks like some of the players are in denial and can't take some home truths about their performances. Also think Manager is another who can't take criticism and there is a soft mentality at the club. Barton has been very poor however nothing wrong with telling some players how it is.



16 Sep 2016 19:55:06
Maybe oor Joey just stated facts by telling the room that Rob Kiernan is guff and the sooner Wilson is back the better. Wee Andy will be hating Barton because Barton is ten times the player Halladay is. This witch hunt over Barton is disgraceful. Especially when none know the truth or what exactly went on.



16 Sep 2016 20:49:09
Although I do agree that joey barton hasn't as yet set the heather on fire 4 us I still think he'll without question come good 4 as he is a quality midfielder, there's one thing that smacks you right in the face here, joey barton is a winner!



16 Sep 2016 23:53:10
Jeranimo. It has turned into a bit of a witch-hunt with Barton appearing to be the scapegoat for a lot of Rangers' ills this season. Well, him and Kiernan.

However, he came with a big (and chequered) reputation, he's shot his mouth off like a tit since he arrived (and, equally worryingly, he always has so we knew what was coming), he has failed to deliver the commanding performances expected, Rangers have been poor this season and we took a royal humping last weekend which, despite the Tuesday night hangover cure, is still very raw.

For the first time in my life, I wish Warburton would follow Lennon's example and ban mobile phones (and all social media) from the dressing room and training ground.

I don't know for a fact what Barton did or didn't say but I hope Warburton makes the right call because this is big moment in his Rangers managerial career.

And whatever is done, I hope it's done behind closed doors - but there's hee-haw chance of that!



16 Sep 2016 23:24:44
I don't warburton. i think halliday, holt etc would be better midfield. Barton got to go in my eyes. his wage prob loads money we could save. if barton still here an no good come. just let him leave on a free.



17 Sep 2016 06:23:42
@ Bruisedrbear
Indeed mate. The whole team has been off the pace this year. Miller bailed us out 2 weeks in a row with the 2nd goal v Dundee and an injury time winner v Motherwell, or it could be a lot worse. Kiernan has been laughable at the back from day one. With the exception of the Celtic game last year in the cup. We need to get rid of him or soft goals and sloppy defending will continue all through the season. If we start defending properly and be a bit more solid at the back. The team will grow in confidence. Wallace has been poor this year as well. The full team loos low on confidence. Anytime a team counter attacks us they look like scoring. That is a worry. MW needs to grow a set and sort it.

I blame the tactic we are playing. The full backs are being told to bomb fwd and were leaking goals like a siv leaks water. We're not even scoring or playing anything decent in the final third to compensate for the amateurish defending. Something is wrong behind the scenes that we don't know about. I'm sure of it. We are a different team to the team that was zipping about last year. Does Barton have anything to do with it? Who knows what's going on but something does not seem quite right to me.

Barton is a good player. He's the best in the team for sitting in front of the defence. He can see a pass and he gets stuck into tackles. All this chatter on here by other posters claiming Barton slows the play down is not accurate. We play the ball out wide consistently to wingers that never take the full back on. They pass the ball back and it gets passed across the park to the other wing and back again. It's hardly the deep lying midfielders fault we do f all with it and we play a passing game that is easy to play against as we never go through the middle. We don't have Messi, Neymar or Suarez to pull this style aff. I think some people on here are expecting Barton to ghost past 5 players and sink a 30 yarder into the top corner a few times a game the way they go on.



16 Sep 2016 14:34:36
From one perspective, Warburton must be pleased to have this distraction. Having Barton to hang out to dry takes the focus off Warburtons major responsibility and culpability for our position. His complete failure to make 2 central defenders our summer signing priorities, his blind spot regarding Keirnan, his predictable 2 subs after an hour, his inability to alter the style of play when things go wrong, his total failure to recognise that SPL sides are too good to face with one fixed style of play.
I've said before that I do not buy in to the myth that Warburton is magic. He is a decent manager who at Rangers gets my support but he has as much, if not more, to prove as the players
If he authorised the release of the story through club sources he goes down in my estimation as that is NOT the Rangers way. Such problems should stay in house. Barton has a 100% right to tell his side of the story once the club placed it in the public domain.
Sadly I think there are real issues around the playing side of the club, but hope I am wrong!



16 Sep 2016 16:52:25
Let's be clear, only a small number of people knew about the incident. All of them are rangers employees.

Either the club leaked it through sources or one of the players involved did- even if that is the case then the club are to blame as they should have made sure that nobody leaked it.

This should have been kept under wraps in house. I don't blame Barton for firing back via the media.

Wether Barton has been rotten or brilliant isn't really the point here. Points to a club in crisis and a manager struggling to deal with it.

Warburton needs to prove his reputation isn't based upon luck and wishful thinking.



16 Sep 2016 22:56:38
Honest Ger.

Please, a club in crisis. I think you mean demented fans in crisis. I and others with a lick of sense knew we would be behind Celtic this season. If you thought we would storm the league that's your naivety in plain view.

A manager failing to deal with a club in crisis, Why are you here, this is not a club in crisis.

Warburton needs to prove his reputation isn't based on luck and wishful thinking is yet another crazy view. Did you forget that he took Brentford to the play off for the EPL. You might take that as no mean feat but then again you take a newly promoted team sitting third in the top league in the country as a crisis.

Please get it together, like MW said let's look at the bigger picture. He should have called fans like you out that were all happy to look at the bigger picture last season but now want heads to roll before that picture can develop.



16 Sep 2016 23:20:49
I suspect you are 100% correct
This style of play has players scared to hit a long ball. You can see the mess they get themselves into at the back trying to avoid punting it up field when its screaming out to be cleared out of the danger area.
Not magic at all. Bring back Waldo
Sir Walter. A big CF, CB and a fast MF.



17 Sep 2016 07:48:12
Honest Ger
Its only my opinion I think the style of play would be fantastic if we had the team to play it but we don't and we need to play to our strength. MOH sitting on the bench every week and we have no pace in the team is glaringly obvious 2 strong CB was a priority again glaringly obvious.
Its clear to see the style of play is not working with the current squad.
Would you persevere on to next season with this philosophy when its clear to 99.9% of the punters its not working?



16 Sep 2016 14:40:30
The BBC are an absolute joke. Moments from Joey Bartons Rangers Career so far. a nutmeg, a leg crunching tackle, a nutmeg, oh and a shot on target. Never knew it was funny to mock players for having a poor run of form. bit disappointed it didn't show some of his tackles, I liked the one he made that actually ended up with us going on the counter and scoring.



16 Sep 2016 16:29:19
I just seen this within last hour, actually considering just avoiding bbc web page all together. That was a disgrace of footage.



16 Sep 2016 16:42:14
Holy feck, someone put on Facebook that they shall blame the BBC for the Barton thing. Wow.



16 Sep 2016 16:55:40
Iv had many a chat with their correspondents on Twitter - they are arrogant and hate rangers. Doesn't surprise me that they are revelling on this.

BBC are supposed to be neutral. Clearly that is total bull.

Look at the way they cover political subjects- they are the mouthpiece of the government.



16 Sep 2016 17:03:30
Holy, thought I had stumbled onto the SNP forum with all the conspiracy theories against the beeb. Whatever way you look at it, Barton has been a major flop.



16 Sep 2016 17:52:28
Never thought i'd say this but i agree with him, he and other players said what they felt and the ones that disagreed with him spat the dummy, bringing up last yr result proves it imo, that was last season and both clubs have strengthened, as far as i'm aware he said they were playing rubbish ( himself included) so how can the players disagree with him, ( unless they think they arent? ) which brings bigger probs tbh,



16 Sep 2016 17:57:18
Cuillin72 lol. Not a great fan of the BBC myself in general but if anyone out there thinks the likes of Kenny McIntyre, Richard Wilson and Derek Ferguson hate Rangers then they really are deluded.



16 Sep 2016 18:16:18
I was referring to their senior journalists and editors. I didn't mean match day pundits and junior writers.

Anyone who doesn't think Chisholm McLaughlin and Tom English don't have an agenda against us IS deluded Naz.

I can't stand the paranoid every one us out to get rangers but their is a very clear problem between these journalists, the club and it's supporters. To this day one remains banned from ibrox (something I disagree with) .



16 Sep 2016 23:19:45
I liked that after the bounce with Scott Brown Barton won the ball back and calmly gathered back possession,



16 Sep 2016 13:35:49
Back the players back the manager we will all come good soon . Barton will have a fight to get back in the team and that is what he needs, a few home truths is not always a bad thing and I think our season will kick on from here . Barton wants to win and some times the finger should be pointed because we have not been at the races yet.



16 Sep 2016 15:01:12
Fair comment but who will replace Barton, Halliday? Warburton has some difficult decisions to make and personally I would have Rossiter in the team long before Halliday.



16 Sep 2016 16:56:13
Is rossiter not injured?



16 Sep 2016 13:12:39
Barton has been on talksport for another rant undermining the management now. Can this guy not keep his mouth shut. He's been terrible on the park and a motormouth off it. Hopefully we win by a good few goals tomorrow without him.



16 Sep 2016 13:50:37
On surface you have a point but consider this- it was the club that leaked both the initial story and subsequently a word by word account of the argument. Done via 'club sources'

We should have kept this in house but instead the club has made Barton wboth an excuse and a scapegoat. Perfect distraction from the worst start to a season the club has ever made.

Barton should have been told (not asked) that he was to stay off Twitter and talksport. He clearly feels that he isn't in the wrong and has taken his argument public- he probably feels justifiable as club made the incident public knowledge. Why should he be trialled by media without an opportunity to put his side across?

Keep seeing him being blamed for our problems and for slowing down the team- he's one player and ultimately it is the manager who is responsible for the performance of the team - up to this incident he certainly viewed Barton as a key player.

From a rangers fan who was very critical of his signing in first place.



16 Sep 2016 15:03:44
Some of what he said was true. Too many of last years team think that beating Championship teams makes them good enough for the SPL. So far few have proved that they are capable of moving up a league and we still don't have a leader on the Park!



16 Sep 2016 15:18:36
Got to agree honest ger. the buck stops with the manager, he's the 1 signing them and playing them.



16 Sep 2016 18:03:26
100% agree with joey Barton putting his side of story out club seems to be hanging him out to dry over this, what a distraction to to take heat off team same as nonsense after cup final get a story out in media to take attention from our lack of progress on the park sure gough etc had a few moments at training which never made the papers.



16 Sep 2016 13:09:31
At least barton will have a career as a fiction writer of rangers sack him.

Joey of the rangers, superstar barton saves the day, man of the match, wins league single handled, shows the other minor league team players how to play.

Should be a best seller.



16 Sep 2016 13:52:26
Back under your rock- if you can't find it then head to Dumbarton, there's a huge one there.



16 Sep 2016 14:25:56
Iamnoboyscout

That's a crap post mate.



16 Sep 2016 15:02:05
Sorry buffo, but was that not just the jest of his original posting in july.

I will make rangers great again.

Brown is not anywhere near my standards etc etc.



16 Sep 2016 14:41:22
The ironic thing is Barton has actually told the truth.
On his day he is out of Broons league. How many teams from the EPL have actually wanted Broon? None.
Rodgers does look like he is going through a mid life crisis with his fake tan and white teeth, and obviously all the trannie stories.
And we have not been good enough his season, especially him. All true no fiction. Guy speaks the truth, a lot of people don't like it.



16 Sep 2016 20:36:57
2bob you described him as class utter class and will stroll the SPL. At least you're standing by him. Truth hurts as he was spot on about last season and beating nobodies. Warbling wibble wobble has today discovered micro possitives to take from the celtic game 1 was for Forthingham? ? I hope to hell rodgers doesn't discover the tiny microbes of positivity regarding Doris losing 7!



16 Sep 2016 12:33:00
surely it is time Warburton banned all twitter / media communications by players and get them all doing what they are paid for?



16 Sep 2016 12:50:43
Wee Bill

I actually think it's been a good thing that Barton has come out and explained what happened through social media. For too long fans were kept in the dark about things and now at least Barton is letting everyone know.



16 Sep 2016 13:23:54
what happens in the dressing room should stay in the dressing room.



16 Sep 2016 13:54:36
Club leaked story in first place. The club should be behaving with more integrity and should have ensured this stayed in house- a very limited number of people knew what had happened, all of them rangers employees.



16 Sep 2016 14:02:08
Biffo,
Whilst I would accept that we might like to hear about training ground bust ups as spectators doesn't it worry you in terms of team spirit at a time when it really needs to be high. I accept what honest Ger has said elsewhere today that our current woes are not just down to Barton but he's hardly helping things. In terms of what actually happened on Tuesday we have his side of the story which may or may not be accurate and it is likely to be the only side we ever hear. If he really wants the club to succeed and for him to succeed in Scottish football wouldn't it be better to sit tight, say nothing, put his point of view and sort it all out in private.



16 Sep 2016 18:05:10
@Jason Brown - can I just point out that the dressing room isn't Vegas mate.



16 Sep 2016 12:11:43
Tbh I do think warbs should have at least gave our team who won the championship last season a run of games together to see what they could do in the spl instead of just sticking barton in the middle regardless of his poor form. Halliday. Windass should start all the time for me holt and halliday too. Garner is going to be a great player for us you can see the determination in the boy, him and dodoo when fit could have a good partnership up front that's if warbs ever goes the 4-4-2 route.

We shall see how the season plays out we have until 31st of december till we play that mob again, so we better get the finger out pronto and destroy them at ibrox. I don't see any money coming our way unless we qualify for a european competition.



16 Sep 2016 13:36:04
Including Kiernan?



16 Sep 2016 12:01:15
I completely believe that the 11 players from last year should be on the field from now on. Show the new boys the type of football we played and if need be they can be added, however if that doesn't work then MW needs to find a new formation to combat the teams in the spl. Also I would have loved to have know what was said, cause honestly I think the home truths may have been aimed at a few that needed it. Its not just barton who has an ego in that team. A hell of a lot of them think they are better than what they are.



16 Sep 2016 13:00:05
I get what your sayin fintytint BUT Kiernan and Miller would have to be changed, I love wee Miller but we need to start with our younger strikers but Miller always on hand.



16 Sep 2016 13:19:29
Bartons comment s%&t teams in a s$%t league is true, that's why we can't have the same team from last year.

For me the manager made a massive mistake with his transfers - we needed 3-4 quality reinforcements, not 11 new players.

But Barton is not the sole cause of our problems and it's really weak to make him the scapegoat and excuse.

One thing I would say is that Barton should have been told to stay off Twitter and radio. Clearly this isn't helping.

For those who want him gone- we would need to pay up the rest of his contract in full and get nothing in return. How can that possibly be a good thing?



16 Sep 2016 11:52:08
Does Barton deserve a second chance?

Not in my eyes. He's flattered to deceive as far as I'm concerned. He takes up a spot in the team that could go to someone more deserving. This league has been a bit too much for him and he can't adapt to the speed at which the game is played up here.
Unfortunate but that's how it goes sometimes.



16 Sep 2016 13:24:40
This bust up could have a huge silver lining, Barton has already publicly apologised and he should be benches as with Nico for the nxt few games, both should be viewed as impact players especially Nico! Barton needs to prove himself fit enough and good enough for a starting place.
But as for the bust up, I've seen it before, when 2 guys are squaring up then bang it kicks off, the worst thing that can happen is they don't get back in the same room asap. So the best outcome is that these guys end up with a lot of respect for one another and the day Warbs has them playing in middle of park, not sayin that Warbs will set team out that way but again using Barton from bench. Anyways these two are fighters and if we have them fighting for each other and showing the support that this team are getting their act together then this team CAN push on! We know the quality is there, think Barton prob crossed the line if he had a go at Warbs but we are all crying out for Warbs to play 4-4-2 and Kiernan has had enough chances. The Gers really need to show up and show us what we know they can do and maintain it!



16 Sep 2016 11:10:43
Think Barton in the team completely slows down the progression of Crooks and Rossiter, who are two of the most promising young players we have in midfield.

You could say they'll learn a lot from a player like Barton, but at what expense? Sitting on the bench match after match, to try and let Joey find his form.

Rossiter has been effective in every game he's played and was MOTM against Dundee. Crooks has a lot of pressure on him, but if he's even close to as good as Josh Windass he'll be an outstanding find.

This isn't a knee jerk reaction to the game against them or due to what happened last night. This has been the way for weeks and we all know it. He destroys our way of playing.



16 Sep 2016 11:43:42
How does he slow down crooks and rossiter? Crooks hasn't kicked a ball for us yet because he has not been fit. Rossiter isn't out side due to Barton, he's injured.

Really pathetic the way Barton has suddenly become the scapegoat and the cause of all our problems- and this is coming from someone who never wanted him at ibrox in first place.

The whole team has been poor. End of.



16 Sep 2016 11:55:23
honest ger I agree with you but at the same time agree with people that say he slows down the play because for me i'd only play him in a 4-4-2 or bring him on when teams up here are getting tired same as niko who for me hasn't got the speed required to start a game up here .
lets all be honest here we don't play football as good as we did last season and those players are still here so only add the new players into the first team if they improve it like rossiter is a definite starter for me as is holt and windass
if I had to pick a three in the middle it would be them.



16 Sep 2016 12:04:46
Not a bad post honest. The only thing I would like to draw your attention to is the statement of intent from Barton. He was going to be this and that and nobody was in the same league as him. That's the thing that I think is sticking in everyone's craw. If the boy could play I couldn't care less what he says or does but he's no better than what he's keeping on the bench. And on top of all that he's now turning the dressing room upside down.



16 Sep 2016 12:27:55
Thorn76

Crooks hasn't even played yet! How can Barton be responsible for slowing down his progression? It's also funny how people on here bang on about giving the manager more time yet don't allow the same for Barton. Yeah he has been poor but if you want to give the manager more time then surely you have to give Barton more time too.



16 Sep 2016 23:16:43
The whole team slows the play down for some reason now. Last season Tav and Wallace would be working like Trojans up and down the line with balls being fed over the fullbacks or in between the defenders for them to run on to.

This season there is no penetration like that in any game. The midfielders would be full of energy and interchangeable arriving into the box for delivery of the balls from fullbacks. The midfielders are not doing this now either as to busy gasping for air through there arses to be doing box-box.

Attackers are dropping deep and also not in box threatening the opposition. Example is Miller in fullback role half the game against Celtic, WTF!
My question is this, why is this?

Is it the players decision and fitness or has the management team changed our style of play to this poor strategy. What's your thoughts guys?



16 Sep 2016 10:45:05
too many players fighting for 3 spaces in the middle why not go 4-4-2 to open another space for one more player. plus this gives us needed cover for our p*ss poor defence.

oh and what would be the harm in bringing in bougherra back if is isn't better than what we have then he can be back up but I can't see him having went that far downhill that he is worse than keirnan or clint hill who turns 38 next month.



16 Sep 2016 11:01:27
Has anybody actually seen Bougherra play in the last year or so?



16 Sep 2016 11:09:19
Clint Hill is on a year contract and then moves into coaching. Bougherra has been where recently? Qatar and Arab Emirates? Yeah I'd say no to that one.



16 Sep 2016 12:01:32
our defence is shocking at the moment and you would say no to a guy that was brilliant for us because u havnt seen him play I can tell u one thing mate the guy wouldn't have gotten that bad of a player that he is worse than what we have.

I said it last year the main area we had to strengthen is defence and we get clint hill a 38 year old man that has never been a top player. and senderos who has no pace i'd take boughy back because we couldn't lose the guy will be wanting pennys to play so if it didn't work out fair enough but if he could improve our defence which I believe he would then why not take that chance, or r u happy to sit and watch the likes of Kiernan mess up time after time.

the boy is awfull and that's not just from this year the boy was mince last year against nobody's.



16 Sep 2016 12:29:46
Would agree would much rather have Bougherra than Hill or Kiernan.



16 Sep 2016 12:30:03
Just because he was good for us during his prime doesn't mean he'll be good again? it could honestly be a massive waste of money. something we don't have a lot of. the fact he has played in Qatar and United Arab Emirates recently suggests he isn't that good anymore, if he was there would be more teams than Kilmarnock chasing him.



16 Sep 2016 12:32:29
Also I'm quite content with a cb pairing of Wilson and Senderos. I really liked Senderos against Celtic. it was Kiernan making the mistakes.



16 Sep 2016 15:21:20
James i think your big bougherras agent😂.



16 Sep 2016 09:02:03
After the Barton story broke my initial reaction was to get him to f**k. However, after reading his apology I'm thinking it may be a good thing in the long run.

The guy is hurting, just like all of us, and it's encouraging to hear him say he wants to improve his performances. He obviously realises he hasn't been good enough so far.

Hopefully this will be the kick up the arse the team needs and we can effectively start our season from here.

Be interesting to see if more comes out about the story though.



16 Sep 2016 09:38:21
Barton will be back in England by January.



16 Sep 2016 09:43:42
He ruins the team dynamic, it was all about high tempo pressing game, we are yet to see it this season. If he stays, he should be dropped for poor performances. If he is finished, so be it, hasn't impressed at all.



16 Sep 2016 10:06:04
I was ready to say get rid of Barton aswell but after reading his apology I stopped myself from writing a long winded statement about getting rid of him, imo I think that Barton needs a boot up the arse but I think he will be back and he will come good for us 🔴⚪️🔵.



16 Sep 2016 10:32:28
think barton is a good player not playing at his best but has been overated by some people he should be the best midfield player in Scotland but isn't even best in our team!

I hope that he gets dropped and has to prove himself in training before getting a game because I think he thought he would be the best up here and that simply isn't the case.

niko is a quality player but isn't quick enough for our game and should be used as a sub bout the 70 min mark when teams are tired.



16 Sep 2016 10:43:43
Barton is a winner and vented his anger at various things said that I guess will the truth will only be known to those present. His choice of words could have possibly been more refined how ever if we had 11 winners in our team like him then we maybe in a different position. He just needs to up his performances now to match the hype he brought with him.



16 Sep 2016 10:46:58
Barton doesn't linger on the ball and moves it forward more often than not. Maybe he just told a few home truths needing said and which a number of us have remarked on here. Plug the gaping hole at no.4 and give the team a fighting chance. Warburton can say all he likes about how we defend as a team and no one person can be singled out but that's highly debatable.



16 Sep 2016 11:05:26
Hopefully we can punt him during January.

Never wanted him near the club, said so on here a couple of times when he signed and got mostly pelters.

Anyone surprised at the bust-up really needs a wake-up call.

Finally, did anyone see that picture on Saturday of Brown shaking hands with him. Broon does his usual psycho stare and Barton couldn't even look him in the eye. Body language said everything.



16 Sep 2016 12:19:16
Don't like what I know of Barton as a man. Was willing to put this to one side if he could do it on the park-he hasn't. Now we have strife in the dressing room although that might not
be just his fault. Must have had a right go at MW to get sent off site. Following his public apology it looks like he wants to stay. If I were MW I would tell him he can return on the following strict conditions.
1)He sits down with his team mates, talks things through constructively, apologises in person to whoever he needs to particularly the manager and promises no repeat.
2)He accepts he will not be our first choice defensive mid (or anywhere else) unless/ until he shows he should be or we have no other choice (injury, suspension, loss of form by Rossi ter, Crooks.
3)He will make no further comments about the Scottish game in the media or social media except his obligations to undertake club press conferences and when he does those he should talk of other clubs and their players respectfully whatever his private vieW's
Those sound like reasonable requests for a Rangers player and if he wants to stay and fight for his place then OK we start again with a clean slate. If not that's OK too. He can start talking to his agent, arrange getting out of his contract in a way that benefits the club (and him to an extent him I suppose) and do one ASAP. I . Maybe MW could say to Sean Dyche-it was sale or return, wasn't it? .



16 Sep 2016 08:16:59
we took a doing on Saturday, it's no secret. The players were obviously hurting like us fans and words were said, good. it's not a bad thing, maybe Barton took it too far and has been given some time to chill out and come back on Monday and restart. would you rather have a team locking their wounds after a scudding or a team showing fight, telling home truths and getting showing some passion?



16 Sep 2016 10:40:38
team needs to go back to the squad we had last year and if the boys that came in can improve it then play them .

all i'm saying is that we played better last season and that's against the spl opposition we faced .

if people can't improve what we had they don't get a game in my book and our team was a lot better at football and scoring goals than they are this year. look at the the Dundee game last season and even the old firm we really played nice football and we haven't done that this season.

or another way to solve it is to play the 4-4-2 with barton and rossiter playing at cdm, windass/ mckay and forrester/ holt playing rm and lm. play the two strikers in waggy and garner up front. we are stuck with this sh*t defence but at least it will have better cover.



16 Sep 2016 11:37:58
I'd rather have a team without Joey Barton in it, we have went backwards since he's came and slowed us right down, I'm not surprised they have been arguing after the games either their is no way he is worth the salary he is on at this stage of his career and Halliday and other players have probably told him this, it's time to build our team around Rossiter and Windass, it's not to late in the season to do that in my opinion.



16 Sep 2016 08:15:32
Barton overstepped the mark possibly. But I'll say 1 thing for him at least he cares. Yes he hasn't been good so far this season late pre season probably to blame. But I'd prefer him in my team than kranjcar who has been atrocious and showed no heart against celtic and as for sendoros in my opinion he got himself sent off because he bottled it.



16 Sep 2016 13:25:18
don't know about that 1 hooly78 I think niko showed he had heart on Saturday the thing he didn't have was pace and fitness, I've said it since we got him he is a super sub when teams are tired and can play a good 30 mins of football he isn't a 90 min man and shouldn't be treated as such.



16 Sep 2016 01:10:52
I Was initially quite ready to blame Barton and his big mouth solely for this debacle but having read the new report in the DR from a supposed "source" I'm somewhat feeling that he may not be the only one to blame.

The source suggests that the other players were saying how we were doing just fine before he came to which joey replied by stating it was in a worse league. He was bang on (oh, and we'd not been doing too well after the Celtic cup match when we limped to the league title) .

Barton was also supposed to have been pointing out home truths for the shocking performance levels recently. And, as long as he can take it as well as he can give it (not sure on this) then that's exactly what an experienced player should be doing.

Thirdly, apparently some other players had the cheek to say that we'd done just fine against Celtic without him last season. True, but how can they fail to acknowledge the change in Celtic? This worries me particularly. To me this suggests that these players have had a lot of smoke blown up them and have rested on their laurels which for me is as unacceptable as the performance on Saturday. We played well in April, granted it was brilliant day, but that has gone, it's in the past, and for professionals to be falling back on that as an excuse is unbelievable.

I'm not siding with Joey as he clearly has his own problems but if he has reacted angrily to players acting like that then I can't say I would have acted wholly differently. If he has disrespected the manager then that has crossed every line but against peer players he has every right to vent frustration in a constructive way.
Interested in your thoughts.



16 Sep 2016 07:40:05
I agree, I'm firmly on the side of Barton. The left side.



16 Sep 2016 08:12:43
players have bust ups, I would much rather the team did have a bust up and arguments and words said after Saturday than a team sitting quiet locking their wounds. get the blood flowing.



16 Sep 2016 10:18:34
I can't believe some of these posts Barton was totally out of order as he's been since he got here both on and off the park on t he park he has been rubbish far to slow hardly in the games off the park his mouth opens far to often what he is going to do if you look back at other big signings Butcher, Gough, ETC they did their talking on the park never heard from them off it and to take the manager on openly in front of the players is a no go is there a way back I don't know it's obvious that a few players are at odds with him and he is not the flavour of the month in the dressing room I know he tweeted an apology but he then tweeted that his apology didn't mean he was in the wrong then deleted it for me that says more than anything for me he is an immature self centred guy for me if there is a way to get rid of him good but legally I think we are stuck with him and that I fear will do more damage.



16 Sep 2016 13:29:10
if it was me i'd be shouting at persons one in particular but the whole team except windass played awfull.



 
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