Rangers Banter Archive April 17 2012

 

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17 Apr 2012 23:48:28
Old Singapore Proverb"there is no one more blind than those who refuse to see"

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Confucius says sod off

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Man who go to bed with itchy bum wake up with smelly finger!

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Confucius, he say, "Man on hillside with woman and bottle of wine not on level!"

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Confucius say" Thong not best thing in world, but quite close to it"

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At the end of the day its midnight

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17 Apr 2012 23:39:07
All these delays are only delaying the inevitable l word. I personally have concerns over all of those interested in my club. If we are liquidated I for 1 will not be supporting a newco. Why the hell is there no mass demonstrations outside ibrox, or are most of my fellow bluenoses still burying their heads in the sand. Cmon our voices must be heard.

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To0 late for that! your voices should have been out in full force years ago but yous were happy to ignore eveerything and just wanted the glare of the trophy in your eyes. now most of yous think you have done nothing that bad and think your club will forever be just because you are a "big club(but most in football world see Celtic as one of the tops). the fact that it is the biggest scam in history seems to mean nothing to yous...so yous keep saying its tims have a go or tim paranoia and think everyones opinion is a tim. hope yous have eyes open now the L is here but its too late, hope you find a club that suits you and you can find one you like even if it is Celtic(we are not as bad as ppl think) but just hope a club gets your support as well as others so maybe other teams in spl and the whole spl can grow for the better

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What would that achieve - other than possibly scare of the only people interested in taking things forward in some shape or form?

bill72

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We leave all that stuff to the cringeworthy over the eastend

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@3) How's that attitude worked out for you?.......green jhedi

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17 Apr 2012 21:45:21
I'm getting so fed up!!! Im thinking of giving up football, I was only ever a football fan and this is getting a little to much for me. to many lies and none of it was my fault, times are hard and for all whom said we dont wake away, wake up! what are we staying for? lies and conning us again.
if we get a buying fair enough, newco I'm gone.

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I just hope you support some other team(maybe not rght away but in time) because this could be a chance to change the whole spl for the better, we just need to get rid of all the ones that are corrupt so fair play can play out. hope most of yous chose another team you fency so that the clubs could become better with the extra supporters, for not every team thinks like your club has(by your club i dont mean fans as well because your legends did this to yous, yous just needed to open your eyes sooner like years(s) ago and go after the legends that did this to you)...even if it means watchignor joining our club, we are not as bad as we are made out to be and just maybe yous can start to see what all this tim paranoia is about.

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In a way mate the newco bit is all east end propaganda. Companies die all the time as legal entities in their own right. If rfc plc died it doesn't really mean the end of Rangers football club. Clubs reform and reconstitute themselves all the time. Yes none of this mess is very edifying and I'm in no way questioning you, it's just the sort of "armageddon" tac they like to take in the media with the "death of rangers" bit. The people who say "Rangers won't ever die" are nearer the mark factually. A cva keeps us in the spl, saves all the newco hassles, keeps your uefa licence, keeps all the player registrations- there seem many practical benefits to sorting it out rather than liquidating the company so it benefits all stakeholders. Factor in fans' hostility to liquidation and it seems a given a consortium would stump up say £20m for a cva rather than £15m to go a newco. A couple of years' worth of European football and retaining player registrations with the first option would surely make up the difference even if any potential bidder were genuinely indifferent between a cva and liquidation. This tends to make me think all the "liquidation is inevitable" talk is just media scaremongering. Many media "commentators" genuinely still have no clue on things like the difference between administration and liquidation for instance.

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Err,no mention of HMRC and the fact they dont agree with CVA's

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@2 Well said, Ive been open to liquidation as a last resort and have stated so several times. I dont want it but you have to be prepared but its not the end by any means. Rangers will still exist and the fans will have a choice. I for one wont support anyone else, even if we're in div 3. CheltBlue

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17 Apr 2012 21:27:19
If Bill Ng takes over will rangers fans fancy another owner in a wee while?

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NG'S current teams kit supplier is Mitre, basically owned by the Pentland Group, give them a google, could be interesting.

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Mitre are way down the list of sporting wear manufacture.look for them sponsoring the new strip if Ng gets in though.

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17 Apr 2012 20:49:07
hey guys all this bull everyday in the papers etc. anyone else just wish we would liquidate and startn off in div. 3 . Work our way through the leagues every year [3 yrs ] back in whats left of our present premier league. Stuff yorkson johnston thompson all these little nonentities who call themselves chairmen of little provincial clubs who now think they have some clout. No gers fans at premier games no Sky money lets go for it . Be careful what you wish for you money grabbing bunch of tossers . Our history will always be there no matter what they try to call us . We will alwaye be the GLASGOW RANGERS . Sausage bear

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LOLOL I can't take you or your post serious with a name like sausage bear LOLOL

Best name I've saw on here yet

Lenny

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Delusion again. Clubs will just cut their cloth accordingly, just like Rangers have and will have to again.

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Who is Glasgow Rangers? Is it a newco?

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Dear me,you are not glasgow rangers. might be soon though

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And ur name is Lenny! Mmm...... LB

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17 Apr 2012 20:30:08
Just a thought but why has it taken D & P 2 months to launch a 25m law case against Whyte,s lawyers ? Surely this could have been started weeks ago these clowns are seriously beginning to get to me. Another delaying tactic how many more until we start saying enough is enough

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Whytes puppets.Liquidation is the goal whatever they say

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Would it have made any difference who the Administrators were? In these straightened times, every company is out to get what they can, and that includes administrators. They know Rangers are a cash cow one way or another. D&P are streatching this out as long as possible. They probably even had a wee word with Yorkston and Thomson about SPL proposals to extend the pain you Gers are going through. If you robbed from HMRC then I agree with the stance of HMRC. If they were not seen to be protecting the governments purse then I'm sorry, but other companies will start to believe that they could get away without paying their taxes. I want to see Rangers stay. But what really is the best solution. If a horse breaks a leg it gets put down because to try and heal it causes too much stress on the horse. Will a CVA really help Rangers. Or should they just be put down and come back as a newco? Will the Gers fans who say they will stay away and never return stay true to their word? I doubt it.

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17 Apr 2012 20:28:30
Dingwall on TV tonight - Still doesn't know how to pronounce NG ( said Nigh instead of Ing) - maybe he is getting confused with "The End is Nigh" !

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Dingleberry more like for all the good that lot have done

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Talking of Dingwall, well done to Ross county for winning the 1st division, not going to be an easy place to get a win for anyone next year.
Wibblyblue

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The way things are going we won't have to worry about that ffs!

bill72

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17 Apr 2012 19:44:08
Even if Bill Miller was to stand down and the Singapore bid was the only remaining bid, it'd take D&P months to declare it and begin the purchase process! Every day D&P's wallet gets thicker!

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No! Each day Duff and phelps cut of any deal gets bigger

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17 Apr 2012 19:06:17
Millers bid is £25m - £5m more than NG - so why is everyone assuming the latter is now favourite?

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Where do you get this detail?

Bill72

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Is it? LB

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17 Apr 2012 19:03:12
IM WORRIED THAT BILL NG ONLY HAS WEALTH OF 40-60 MILLION... DOES ANYONE ELSE KNOW WHO IS PART OF HIS CONSORTIUM ?....jsm

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I do it,s his ma notwin ng an his sister nopayanythi ng an his uncle ipaynotth ng,should fit in well at ibrox, garlar07

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Lol, i was wondering how long it would have took a celtic fan to respond to my post ....jsm

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It's his brothers cash.his name is Tacs ng

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Bill Ng has got a well known billionaire brother with wealth off the radar who made his money in risk management. Watch out for him making an appearance. His name is Tacs Ng.

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Jsm sorry mate could not resist it,garlar07

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Tacs ng lol taxing a good one for a ceptic fan

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17 Apr 2012 19:01:21
Administrators have lodged a damages claim to Craig Whytes solicitors who helped with the takeover. Fee is 25 million.
Wonder how long this saga will last.
BGRFC

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Just what rangers dont need,more court time........green jhedi

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They will have more court time than andy murray,an hopefully be as successful,garlar07

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This may be true but I want justice and all the robbing scum that have soddamised my club held to account! Gees! Gettin all biblical there! LB

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17 Apr 2012 18:50:16
Hear we are after Collyer Bristow for £25m, sure we are. Old CW has played a blinder, he's got duffers & duffers under his thumb, he's got Ng involved, he has ticketus in tow, at every turn CW is at least one step ahead.

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Ur giving the we runt to much credit mate ...... Criminal mastermind!? He's just a criminal end of! LB

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17 Apr 2012 18:38:04
Everything is Bullcrap. The delays and posturing is all a panto until the big green Genie jumps out the bottle.
Everything depends on the publication of the Big Big Biggest tax case in Scotland.
Then liquidation. And all bidders and many new bidders scavenge for the corpse of Rangers.

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17 apr 2012 18:29:50
brekkin news ed " bill ng hiz jist sade tae sky splurts news
" why you no wistun cookie boy at this momint in tie i no haf nuffing to say yoo ! you wanjurs ar cwazy cwazy peepul,if no gtf am walkin away fwom the table wiv ma wawit in takt now take a tewwin pweeze" posso pat

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I really fancy I Chinese now! LB

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17 Apr 2012 18:22:53
Just a thought bears....
If someone does buy RFC (IA) will the
Sale of Goods Act apply re Damaged goods?
Also I know you bears do not get irony
but it is very apt that you now have
two "bills" vying for your club.
Timalloy

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Fuk sake timalump wrong again ...... Just done the ironing! LB

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Hope u aint taking that joke as your own it was in the paper yest did u get lost for a few days after sunday

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No, I really have done the ironing! LB

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Stealing jokes out the paper haaaa slow doon timmaloy your razor sharp man, poor show :P ntbear

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17 apr 2012 16:49:14
dead or alive...you spin me rite round baby rite round...appropriate tune for the rangers tannoy system in admiration too the scots media for dodo fc in its last hours...stevo

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Is that your cider music stevo ?
PaulRFC

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Or a special one for Mr Lemon "My big mouth by oasis, conspiracy day Thursday?fail fail

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Geat name for rangers movie my bloody valintine the remake,garlar07

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John paul,are u still in denial m8.you still praying on your knees with your rosary beads for a messiah??i have told you for months that admin was looming along with hundreds off others,yet was all bolloc@s,then have explained liquidation& rfc will be no more,no matter what spin the media keep feeding yous,history is gone to FACT..STEVO

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THERES THOSE CAPITALS AGAIN

MUST BE TRUE THEN???

bill72

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@5) soon to be renamed BILL12!

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17 Apr 2012 14:41:25
Ally McCoist has urged Rangers’ administrators to act swiftly to end uncertainty over the future ownership of the club.

Duff and Phelps are yet to name a preferred bidder to takeover at Ibrox, two months on from the club going into administration.

Singapore businessman Bill Ng has moved into pole position to buy Craig Whyte’s shares, after the Blue Knights consortium announced they were stepping back from the process.

With Rangers players due to return to full pay at the end of May, and with planning required for next season, McCoist admits he is “concerned and worried” that he is unable to look ahead.

"There obviously have been developments and it looks like the preferred bidder status has moved away from the Blue Knights and perhaps headed to either the American bid or the Singaporean bid,” he told Blues News.

"Obviously, like all Rangers fans, I think the sooner the preferred bidder status is announced would be a big, big step in the right direction.

"The uncertainty and the lack of clarity about the future is obviously really concerning and worrying for everyone, be that players, staff or fans.

"I can totally understand everybody's concern and that's why I'm hopeful that it will be sooner rather than later.

"I won't lie to you. I'm really concerned and really worried because we have a lot of planning to do.

"We have pre-season games and hopefully we'll try to arrange pre-season tours. All these things and players coming and going makes it concerning."

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The stark reality is there is nothing mcoist,or duph& phelps can do!!its craig whyte who holds all the cards here,he is not that botherd about your club at deaths door,as he is currently enjoying the sunshine& tennis in the south of france,mabe knocking back some vintage wine with mr murray at his vinyard...there will be no pre season tours,as the newco be to busy trying to do buisness applying for the lease of ibrox& murray park& pick up the dregs off whats left of a depleted squad,as the likes of davis,edu,lafferty,mcgregor,papac,whittaker,naismith will all be sold or off to pastures new....then theres the more pressing matter of obtaining a uefa liscence which by the way is still law,which will be needed to play in the spl..Paul murray was full of it,he enjoyed the media attention,he no doubt is another one of dozens who have had EBT loans,yet never pay a penny back into rangers.pre season will be heart ache& pain,when all enquiries give there verdicts.stevo

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If they were going to be sold (mcgreoger, davis etc..) it would have been done by now. Progress has been made.
We still have players, are still playing football and a new owner looks likely.
Cut your doom & gloom attitude fs.
Dtp89

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@2; transfer windows closed so they cant be sold.

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Dtp89 fans like you are the reason the club is in such a state, what progress have rangers made?

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No 4 the reason the club is in such a state is because the powers that be have been guilty of gross mis-management. fans can have opinions and ideas but whatever you or i think is really imaterial, it aint the fans fault, doubt very much the likes of craig whyte will troll sites such as these and pat the no2 poster on the back, no the fault lies with higher archy.

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Fans like me..
Fans who pay for tickets to support them
Fans that buy merchandise
Fans that donate money to the fighting funds?
Aye, am a real b*stard aren't I.
I just choose to support them and be positive. You be a miserable c*nt about it. And if you think that's our clubs problem then you are clown. It's mire miserable stindgey
Clowns like you that ruin our club than positive people like myself.
Dtp89

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Aw ps.. Foreign windows were still open mate.
Dtp89

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Spot on no.6. We're no dead and buried yet, nor will we ever be ...... There were always be a rangers, the vulchers can circle all they want .......I'll eat the f***ers myself if they come near my great club! LB

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Dtp89 bet you bought into Craig whyte and his lost millions, bet you still believed the 7th bid for goodwillie was going be successful, deluded fool

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17 Apr 2012 14:22:48
Glasgow cup final last nite. Excellent occassion, close game and both teams gave their all. Shame it had to be decided on pens tho. Congrats to the young rangers lads on their success and fair play to the Celtic boys to, both teams did themselves and their clubs proud. Crowd were excellent and created a great and generally friendly atmosphere ...... Then, enter the Bawbags! Flares, fire raising and vandalism. Ok this time it was Celtic yobs but we have these roasters to ets be honest Dangerous, disgusting, anti social and illegal .... All decent fans need to sand up against this, police and stewards must be aware and take action against these clowns and the clubs ban offenders whenever they're caught ...... Let's stamp this out of our game .......it's not acceptable and no one should make excuses for it. LB

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Not really a fan of smoke bombs,flares etc however why is it when its done at matches abroad ie galatasaray etc we are falling over each other to compliment the great atmosphere their fans create?

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A Celtic forum witnessed vandalism and condemned it last night on twitter.As a Celtic fan i'm ashamed of these morons,damaging seats FFS! what age are they.Well done young gers.........green jhedi

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Think your going over the top, flares?
almost every league has supporters that use them, whats theproblem or is it just because celtic fans were using them?
ps congrats to the rangers youngsters,

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Take this date down Green Jedi! We r in total agreement. Doesn't matter who's fans r involved ....... Hooliganism and dangerous plain and simple. To b honest I'd prob have been more upset had it been at the rangers end but only cos I had my we boy with me ........ Feel sorry for the decent Celtic fans that exposed to these neanderthals. LB

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@4) There idiots mate.Whats the bleedin point of smashing a seat? Hope your wee man enjoyed the game..........green jhedi

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Doesnt matter which team uses them they are ILLEGAL in Scottish grounds and have been since think it was LSD Casuals attacked a pub full of opposing fans in the 80`s so not exactly a new rule

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Well said green jhedi,

Das Shadow

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17 Apr 2012 14:22:10
with rangers being a massive institution in scotland why is there no real interest from scottish rangers supporting business men?Why when it comes to buying rangers is it only madmen(whyte) and a group of fantasists(TBK)with no real cash the only interested parties?

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Because rangers aren't as big or popular as you think. And they are a toxic and insolvent brand. You people in Scotland need to get in touch with reality.

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Where are all the Rangers minded millionaires? nowhere,cos the debt seems to be of the toxic variety.

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No matter what you say about rangers they are a massive club being dragged down by a minor league same for celtic,in the epl the old firm would be big hitters no doubt,we fill our stadiums in spl games alot imagine how many more thousand we could get through the gates if we were in a decent league where the fans would be looking forward to games all week,instead of spl dross most fans cant get up for the occasion of these games anymore,id rather be in englands 3rd tier of football than the spl

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.....RUBBISH!....the reason there is no interest from Rangers business men is that football in scotland is not a viable business (check the Celtics profit last year - 800k - I make that just short of 16k per weak ie: on the verge of a loss).....your average Tesco takes more money in the till every week than any of scotlands football clubs..........take the Rangers fans revenue out of an already fragile financial model in Scotland and it will ALL have to change....dont be deluded......to put this into perspective, Barrhead Travel will rival the combined turnover of RFC/ CFC this year at around 100m with 350 staff.........and this is a company run successfuly by 4 ladies.....The days of a Jack Walker (Blackburn) ploughing millions in for the love of a club are gone......its time to run the football "business" within the means of the income.......

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We people in Scotland!!?? Who the fk is this joker!! We're a great country, productive and the only economically beneficial country in Britain. Away n you mind your own business.. Clown. N try learn a but mire about you're own country than it's football. Try asking someone how much debt the EPL is in and is costing us all before you slag rangers/Scotland.
Dtp89

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Dtp89. You proved the toxic point. Your assesment of the greatness of Scotland and rangers prove the point about getting in touch with reality.

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17 Apr 2012 14:17:30
Whatever happens takeover wise we might aswell admit to ourselfs Celtic will get 10 in a row, its going take years for us to win the league again if we ever win it again, I'm a 34 year old gers fan who worries we may never win the league again, I can't believe people on here are so deluded to think we can win league next, no chance of that.

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How can you turn around and say. they will do ten in a row. we will be back next year hopefully without all the crap we have faced this year , players fresh headed and get right in amongst it watp

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True true.....it is going to take rangers 8/9/10 years to make it to where Celtic are now.

We have promising young players that we can sell on to keep debt down, we own our own stadium and training ground and we dont owe the H.M.R.C anything!

Lets face it bears you've got years of heartache to come! You can't even get shot of Craig White!

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@1) not a chance mate.lots of legal battles ahead and massive downsizing for rangers.around 6 weeks time the players get the wages they are owed and thats the end.

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I know that is the most defeatest attitude i have ever heard,celtic are no better than rangers the now 11 v 11 and look at the state of rangers,they are a poor team with a big wage bill remember that,if we get decent investment and a few youth players coming through like there is at the moment i have no doubt we will be competing again next year

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Celtic 11 will be the same next season......Rangers 11 will be the under 17s next season as you'll have to sell all the first team players!

Blue Knights-no more
American consortium- no more

DazzaBhoy

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17 Apr 2012 13:51:08
On Twitter it is saying that channel 4
news tonight will report on the fact
that some Rangers fans are trying to
pay off some debts owed by Rangers
in Glasgow, well done these fans,
but sadly Rangers or now D&D are
renaging on their moral responsibility
in paying larger debts especially to
charities like the Scottish ambulance
service who badly need the £10k owed
to them by Rangers.
So bears are you proud of your club
not paying it debts like those mentioned
Timalloy

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They don't care about anyone else Tim. It's the win at all costs mentality, doesn't matter if it involves cheating or conning people out of their rightful monies, sad but true...

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Lets be honest here a lot of rangers fans are coming out of this with a lot of credit.If only the owners would enter into some sort of dialogue with these guys life might get easier.........green jhedi

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If it worries you tims that much, why don't you pay the bills you keep harping on about, instead of being all high and mighty and telling us about it over and over again, after all you lot do make yourself out all saintly and remember the fans have nowt to do with bill paying, so give it a rest and stop being a proper kn*b dimalloy and get a life you pathetic little child....... LARKYELLIS

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If it was celtic in this situation then you would have the exact same attitude FACT.

Mr Blonde

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No4, maybe would've had little chuckle at your expense, but after couple of days its boring, never mind same p*ss everyday for months......LARKYELLIS

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No3,if fans dont pay bills,what is the rangers fighting fund for?

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No6 suppose you are right.... LARKYELLIS

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@5 I dont understand your response can you clarify what you mean? cheers.

Mr Blonde

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17 Apr 2012 13:43:09
9posts out of 10 sayin theyl no be back if we liquidate are from the "we dont get defeated but cheated mob" they think by sayin this it will actually make fans no go back , lol

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Where did u get your numbers

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A done a survey , fft

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17 Apr 2012 13:19:19
Can anyone explain why the 'BIG TAX CASE' is taking so long to reach a conclusion?
Is it that HRMC have something to gain by prolonging the process?
Is it that Rangers still have a genuine chance of winning?
Or is it that these things really take a lot of time, and if so why?

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Rangers have lost the case and owe 24m.It's the penalties and interest thats being fought over.

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17 Apr 2012 11:47:47
On Rangerstaxcase the editor has
posted that in 2005 the ENTIRE team
that won the league by 1 single point
was on EBT's...
This editor is a prudent man, and would
not publish without having written proof
of this...
Now here is interesting part, RFC(IA)
and SFA/SPL, SDM, Ogilvie et al..
all said it was NOT WIDESPREAD..
well bears if it is proved your whole team
at that time benefitted from these and
RFC(IA) are found guilty then ALL
titles trophies MUST be handed back.
The analogy RTC editor gave was that
in 2005 RFC(IA) paid £14.4m in wages
for Celtic to have paid the same wages
would have cost £28.8m, your owners
boast of a tenner for a fiver now makes
sense...
Also SFA/SPL etc.. need to answer
why they did nothing about this practice
if it was so widely used by RFC(IA)
Timalloy

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Timalloy,........your wasting your time...there will be no trophys handed back, no titles handed back.....they were won on the field of play.....how many times do we have to say this "There has been no ruling on the Big Tax case"....your boring us all to death honestly....obsessed.

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Prudent man?? Don't you mean Selik man?

I knew there would be a point....you want a few more trophies!! Pathetic. Try winning a few on merit first before you beg for second hand ones.

J1985

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Did nothing about it as it was deemed Legal away and ask Hearts and Killie if yous can get back into the cups they must have also cheated yous aswell ya sad little man.

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Yes, won on the field of play by ineligable players

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To the rangers fans replies, if a player has second contract then is is technially not registred, ebts were used as second contracts, there must be punishment for these actions, i would like to see titles striped and then in the history books just reads "striped from rangers for cheating"

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5......HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY THIS........there is NO ruling on whether Rangers fielded ineligable players......where are you getting this from?......there is NO ruling on the big tax case.......what part of NO ruling do you not understand?......honestly.....obsessed.

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Ineligable players?? Plucked that statement from fresh air did u not!! Under contract to rangers, sure sfa will confirm that. plus you lot have already used that excuse aboit ineligable players.....remember the uefa cup? A competition that selik were not just knocked out of once......but twice!!!
J1985

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Didn't the tax case guy get pretty much everything right ages ago but was derided by Rangers fans?

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Bears as usual you fail to grasp the true story here, it is the systematic use of EBT's that Rangers used that gave them an unfair advantage in attracting players.
HMRC are at this moment clearing their throats and will be speaking in a very loud voice against your club over this.
Tick tock the BTC clock is preparing to chime... the end is nigh for RFC....
Timalloy

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@7) If proved they operated with dual contracts they are void and therefore unsigned.

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Timalloy you spout some amount of pi*h.

Mr Blonde

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Tim,leave the wounded deluded bears alone m8..let them fantasize about there pipe dreams of being back stronger,with new signings winning the league,daddy warbucks saving them,tax case going in there favour,all enquiries dropped,no liquidation,,As when it all drops on them like the hiroshima bomb,the fall out will engulf them..They will reap what they have sewed& will forever be rememberd as the most corrupt institution ....the truth will be there for us all too see just soon...ordering my steak pie for there funeral,,,stevo

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@10. Thanks for that piece of information. However, i believe it to be a load of BS as usual!!

J1985

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@13. Grow up and face the facts.Thats the laws of the game nobodies making this up.You post like someone who swallowed the wealth off the radar nonsense.

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17 Apr 2012 11:31:13
If Rangers go into liquidation i will never support them again ! If the new owners think we , the rangers fans , will accept liquidation instead of a CVA they are sadly mistaken. Our history dies no matter what anyone says. It must be a CVA !

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How can u say that what if we cant get a CVA its not a petition to get signatures on, Liquidation might be the only way im not saying i want it or am all for a Newco one way or another we cant pay our debts in full admirably so what history will be left in tact? Not much because David Murray made sure the lil ego trip empire he built will never survive with al the double contract stuff that will be pulled out when we just think were out of the woods!
Larky Bear

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That's up to you mate. I would obvously prefer a CVA but whatever happens, I'll follow on...
BB

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You dont get a choice, the new owner does'nt get a choice!!! HMRC will choose if you are to get a CVA....dont blame "Bing" or "Biller" .......either except HMRC desicion or support St Mirren

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Really? They agreed a CVA with Portsmouth the first time they went into administration.!

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Porstmouth didn't owe £134m.

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In both the Leeds adn Portsmouth situation the tax man was not the major creditor thus a CVA could be forced on them regardles of HMRC agreeing. With the Rangers case currently they owe @£15 million to the tax man and have a large enough proportion of the debt to halt a CVA. Hence Duff and Phelps are racking up more debt to try and push HMRC out the picture. This might help to a degree, but HMRC and other creditors can legally challenge any debt added to the pile after the onset of administration. This is going to run and run guys. If I were you I'd go take a course in Accountancy or Law. you'll need it understand what these shysters are up to.

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17 Apr 2012 11:23:19
Listen lads lets be sensible about this nonsense, we have been and are still having the life blood bleed from our beloved club.

Sad as it may be, Murray and the blue knights, although courageous and extremely admirable, they just don’t have the financial clout, the bottom line is that although they have the club at heart they just don’t have the kind of money needed at the vultures table!

Firstly we have to come to terms with the fact that Dr SH**e has made off with what money we did have, he has also scooped the required share holding for a paltry £. Now these companies: Rangers 2012 reg sc418962 and rangers football club of Glasgow reg sc417353 this was the Dr SH**e’s doing, doesn’t need explaining!

Then we have Ticketus, like it or not someone owes them money and they are not going to go away, now I see dispatches linking them with NG, all they want is there money and as much as is possibly redeemable. The thing that scares me is that this NG have in the recent passed talked about and given press mention with regards to the two recently registered companies as stated above, they seem to have more than just a passing knowledge of these companies! Please please, I hope Dr Sh**e doesn’t have hand in matters, he actually believes, and I quote (I will be Rangers saviour)??

I don’t know fellow bears, it’s a bloody disgrace that this nonsense has dragged on for so long, all I want is my club back, I just wish someone would get us out of this mess so we can go forward, I am p***ed off continually hearing pay your dues, the club are only owed what a few unscrupulous toe rags ran off with, why is everyone so willing to levy blame on the club, no one seems to be chasing the thieving toe rags, let’s start making a noise about these thieving scu* bags, and stop trying to debate what is obviously way above our heads.

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No one is going after the "toe rags" because they are your legends that put you in your problem. sdm,walter,ally, ogilvy and all new what was going on and liked it but they are getting away with it because they are your legends that got you your tophies, by what CHEATING. yes trophies are won on the field but the managment put the players out there that they can afford hence if you cant/dont have the money you should not have the player. start making life hard on your legends and you will find your answers.
i dont get some of yous, you say you want answers but when some start to come out and you dont like it you just ignore it, hasnt alex thompson open your eyes to what yuo said was all celtic paranoia and that the media spin things for yous to amke things better for yous....its sad that your club is going bust but it is even depper sad that yous cant say yous done wrong and should just accept the punishment, which the spl/sfa are taking it easy on yous by trying to make new rules.

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17 Apr 2012 10:25:49
HEARTS owner Vladimir Romanov is set to crank up the pressure on cash-strapped Rangers by wiping out the near £1m SPL placement money they are due to collect for finishing second in the table.

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Don't be surprised if he does just that. Hearts, like a lot of other clubs need every penny they can get their hands on and sentiment will not come into it.

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Crank up the pressure, hes just going to get what his club is due

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Good £800000 to Hearts £40000 to ICT £40000 to the tic rest to D Und.Scottish teams payed off. As soon as next installments come in from monies owed to us from other teams pay off outstanding teams simples.

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17 Apr 2012 10:14:07
My pal and me are in our mid 40s and been Rangers all our life, going to games home and away, so we were speaking about becoming a new co and he kinda shocked me when he said that would be him finished if it happens. I'm still for sticking no matter what but its going to be a real test and every day gets worse. Now if my pal says he is finished then I'm certain there are thousands feel the same way.

CWD

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Just like some of the so called supporters pre souness 1986 ,just think of the guys that week in week out support their club through thick and thin hoping theyl maybe win something but it never happens for them thats what you call a supporter not the ones we have seen at ibrox for the good times only doug

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17 Apr 2012 10:08:20
Rusty it's personal the tim here!!!rangers fans why the big hoohaa with my facts and opinions??see I deal in facts and opinions and all your comments are just like rangers(p*sh)let's get by the anger for me and just realise that I know my stuff and you's really admire my knowledge!!the reason I don't write on the champions page is there nothing to talk about,we're champions with a passionate manager with a world class team who will dominate European football for years to come!!!business as usual over there!!!no talking points!the Singapore Market isn't that great so dont get excited,1 official strip goes over then it's like the Market,millions more are produced through the black Market so no great profit through merchandise!!I wouldn't pick any of them,tbk no money,american bill wants to liquidate,bill ng is Craig whyte in disguise....know nothing about him!!!keep with Craig whyte you know what your getting with him(nothing) hail hail am fat and I eat all the pies,rusty

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Hi rusty did you pay your tax on yer pie ,tic dominate europe ye canny even dominate scotland your that bad do you theres a law about letting vicious pit bulls off their lead eg. sundays cup semi lol doug

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Rusty Im fascinated by all things Rangers and know nothing at all, nothing going on over there? Your manager is likely to get the longest ban in history of Scottish Football, you were on course for a historic treble, oops,double, oops allright you won the league having been gifted ten points and to top it all your going to get humped on the 29th at the San Giro because your managers tactics as league champions are questionable. As for merchandise, cant you pick up a champions edition green and grey hooped XXXL top at the barras, guaranteed for one season only so be quick.

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Dominate europe u wana lay off the crack pal. You cant even dominate scottish football bottlers since 1888
Fail fail.

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Rusty I did pay tax on my pie the tim!!happenin doug,we want the big trophies ie spl then champ league!!wee cups like Scottish,in it to win it but no great deal!!heard Peter lawwell speaking to the big leagues about joining ie English,Spanish.Spanish want us there and get called el celtico!!strong rumours real Madrid want Lennon to replace the special 1!!!Lennon says as soon as rangers disappear the better "there holding us back with there circus"hail hail rusty the tim

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Hi rusty lennon couldnt lace the specials ones slip on shoes ,work that wan out mr know all ha ha doug

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ED i know this is a banter page but any chance you can stop posting crusty the clowns bizarre ramblings?

Mr Blonde {Ed001's Note - why would you want to? He gives you so much to laugh at, with his talk of European domination etc.}

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17 Apr 2012 10:03:23
Ffs , if ng gets the club wait and see what his plans are , we need a buyer now so why all the flappin it might turn out ok

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17 Apr 2012 09:42:46
Obviously TBK had some money but not enough. Ticketus are doing the sensible thing and going with anyone who looks like a winner. Ng is fast becoming the future of RFC but I see no harm in the liquidation route for a long term strategy. I know alot of bears dont agree but if the history survives then we survive? Ng must have some big players (financially) behind him to provide the working capital needed to avoid liquidation. My biggest fear is a yo yo effect where we get out of admin then go back in in 1-2 years because of the extra running costs of debt repayment. I know the timmies want us dead but that is not going to happen, the worst scenario is liquidation but at the end of the day how bad is it really? Bears please reply and lets debate it amongst ourselves for a change. CheltBlue

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The next ten years for the swallow swallow gang are going to be agony! Suck it up fellas.

Hail Hail!

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17 Apr 2012 09:34:38
Would you buy £140,000,000 debt before you make any money? I dont see why liquidation is that bad (in our current situation). It lets us get back intothe fray - SPL are trying to screw us anyway.

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You dont see why liquidation is bad!!

dont you realise that liquidation is the end of Rangers Football Club, our club, as we know it and as it has been for 140 years?

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17 Apr 2012 09:06:46
Will paul murray pulling out make way for brian kennedy to make a late bid?
I seem to remember kennedy saying he would not bid against murray. I alwats thought kennedy was more interested than he made out, after all he was the first guy to make a concrete offer for the club. no source or inside info but i wouldn't be shocked to see him back in the running soon.
J1985

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Agree mate i think he will come back in, thats why bk stepped back although does he have the same kind of cash as ng..... 100 million dollar question.
craig+babybear

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Not sure who has more wealth. i reckon individual wealth kennedy by a mile but who know who Ng has backing him. from reports on kennedy i would think he would be good for the club, especially as he would bring souness back in some capacity. huge few days for our club.
J1985

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Can't help thinking Brian Kennedy is a mouth piece... Hope I'm off target but why would you say you are not too botherd if you end up buying the club and then end up in the papers every 2nd talking about buying it. Just buy it or keep quiet while you work behind the scenes to buy it
BB

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17 Apr 2012 08:00:40
From the moment he entered the fray Paul Murray has been asking for money from everyone else to help him buy our club.
Now at last when D&P ask to see the colour of his money he has none. If he can't front up £500,000 how can he be expected to fund the purchase.

I will say this though a £0.5M non refundable deposit on a deal were you can still be gazumped doesn't appeal to me either. I know it's the standard way of working in these circumstances, but to me it seems like an easy way for administrators to raise enough cash to pay their fees!

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.5 mil is incredible when u think u might not even own the club maybe whyte should dip into his own pocket and help out.
craig+babybear

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17 Apr 2012 07:42:26
Now that the blue knights have stepped out of the bidding war ( what they said they would do if a better bid was on the table) bill ng now seems certain to gain preffered bidder status, i can only hope that as one last chance to save rangers as we know it, craig whyte will give his shares to ng on the bases that liquidation cant and will never be an option, i cant say this enough... liquidation will be a disaster for everyone who supports rangers, just ask yourself this , how many of us would pay £500 to watch rangers when we have a 10pt deduction, no class players, and no chance to see rangers in europe for years? not many!

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Weve no chance of europe now. If we dont get out of admin quick enough we will have points docked next season. Bankruptcy and liquidation have a stigma attached but is the only way sometimes. I agree with OP (leave a name it makes life easier) but £140mill is alot of dollar and keeping it may cost us more in the long run. If liquidation happens I for one wont walk away as the advantages are there to see. (as long as history,name,badge etc are kept of course) CheltBlue

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Rusty the tim here!!so your justna normal rangers fan(glory hunter) you's don't do walking away,so you tell us hail hail we do lift the trophy

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CheltBlue , liquidation means Rangers are no more , no history , no badge , no players , no stadium , but yes most importantly no debt .

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Liquidation may not be the end, the SPL are bending over backwards to keep us in the league. A new share in the SPL with several years penalties but the newco can take the history et al with it. Doesnt sound too bad. CheltBlue

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17 Apr 2012 07:29:03
People said that Fergus Mcann was mad buying Celtic and saying he could walk away with a profit, so always keep an open mind.

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17 Apr 2012 01:22:12
big chance any buyer takes if we go liquid......what if the fans dont show....or as they say ..."follow follow"...deecee

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I won't follow follow if we get liquidated.

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17 Apr 2012 00:59:52
Ok today's the day The Club and Whyte get sentenced by SFA for their crimes. What penalties do people think they'll get?

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Whatever we get we deserve we have cheated time to pay the pen.

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Death penalty....risky bear

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Will the club be liable for punishment if CW doesnt show for his sfa appointment

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CW doesn't care as he has no interest in football other than making sure he sells his shares for more than £1.

As for Rangers, I guess any decision will be delayed.

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For sure everything regarding Rangers is delayed these days lol

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