Rangers Banter Archive August 17 2013

17 Aug 2013 21:59:59
Now fellow rangers fans and interested parties, I posted several weeks ago about redundancies at Ibrox!

I can confirm there is still redundancies active at the club, and many more people will be paid off if this ridiculous spending spree continues!

The reasons given to the employees was cutting "operating costs" that the club no longer operates in the premier league and there was no European Money going into the club!

As stated previously vast bonuses and wage rises where awarded to senior management and directors, at at time of so called cost cutting? This also doesn't explain the employment of 8 players and 3 staff members during this process? How can the club JUSTIFY this disgraceful behaviour.

Now I am not an employment expert but but this does not make sense saying cuts are required but spending wildly and giving extortionate bonuses during the consultation process? Any employment advisers out there might be able to advise.

So to sum up rangers are spending fortunes at the moment and ok they are not paying transfer fees but wages will be significant, there is still no transparency on how much leaves the club on a DAILY basis on CONSULTANTS, SUB CONTRACTORS AND EXTERNAL PR COMPANIES, the amounts must be mind boggling but never mind pay of the loyal staff who have done nothing wrong except be loyal and hard working!

Yes people will say cuts need to be made and yes I agree in principle, but please start at the top of the tree and get rid of these money grabbers, and senior and middle management who are costing this great club fortunes!

The crack are appearing!

Op, as understand the employment laws a person can be made redundant so long astheir job and its duties are not filled within 6 months but I stand tobe corrected, BT

17 Aug 2013 23:50:26
Therealranger I can't disagree with you on directors or boardmembers getting stupid bonuses but if you read my posts down the page about our squad & have a think about what I have posted then you might think different about the squad, do you want 2 watch pure pish for 3 seasons then have 2 spend fortunes bringing in good players when we get 2 the spfl
I would rather have the foundations of a good squad just now so we are ready, I will say again it is not about this season, see the bigger picture of what superally is trying to do, if the team ****s up then a lot of people will get their wish superally will be out the door but call me a fool but I won't write superally off just now as I say he baffles me at times but that's football
Andhol bears

@2 would you rather we went bust before we went to premiership?

17 Aug 2013 21:12:09
I have been reading posts for ages now about how superally doesn't need all these new signings 2 win the league & you's are most probably correct but 2 all these people I am going 2 let you's into a wee secret he needs all these new signings 2 win the league next year because it will be harder next year, he needs these players playing together getting 2 know each others game then the start of next season he can have his squad even more fine tuned getting rid off players who won't cut it & there is a few. Now I am not saying superally is the special 1 & quite frankly some of his decisions last seasons ****in baffled me but then not as much as the players did. I watched the game today & the difference in fitness levels from this year 2 last year where astonishing no players getting bullied from part timers no disrespect but it's the way it should be that's why he brought in jim henry that's his forte getting players into peak condition. Now 4 or 5 players are still 2 play this season who are good players so let's start signing from the same hymn sheet & get behind the team, we know it's not going 2 be a bed of roses all the time but start looking at the bigger picture it's not about this season, hands up who thinks we won't win the title this year exactly it's winning it next year & getting back 2 the top table with decent players in our team because when we go back if we don't have a settled team we will struggle that's why superally is trying 2 build a squad just now & not the pre season before we go back into the spfl or whatever it's called anyway you's may think I am talking s**** but I have read the s*** you's have talked for long enough but that's banter for you cheers
Andhol bears

Just wondering op with ally talking about getting 10 million to spend in January will he not be buying a new team for next season. If so and he buys a lot of players between jan and next season why would u need so many players? James

18 Aug 2013 00:54:05
Don't know if you seen that interview james for his 10mill that cg said he was getting but let's use the words pinch of salt, now I know you have read my post but maybe read it again, he won't need 2 buy or bring in much more free transfers because he will have a decent squad already at his disposal & that my mara china cherry is the plan. RANGERS need 2 be ready for next season & if people can't see that then they are more deluded than captain kirk down the page
Andhol bears

We'll never spend 10 million on players in one window in the foreseeable future. Celtic are sitting on big cash and have sold 20 mill of players. And they are shopping at the 2 million quid store for a player or 2. Won't happen and ally is having a pop at green when he mentions it. because it was a green fabrication, a green press quote. Or as we all know it, Bs!

Andhol I had no interest in replying to your nonsense but after the inane Captain Kirk reference you left the door open, almost an invite, so what the hell.

First off, M. I. B was a popular culture reference, you make the comparison between something in real life by comparing it to someone we will either recognise or understand.

I could just as easily have picked a Pyrrhic victory where Pyrrhus won a battle but at great cost. "One more victory like that will utterly undo me. " I could have made comparison to Hans Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Clothes. But I chose M. I. B, there you go.

Now to your nonsense. You claim to be looking at the bigger picture yet by endorsing these signings fail to appreciate that expenditure is much higher than income, that isn't bigger picture thinking.

Speculate to accumulate, fine sound byte I remember RBS, David Murray and Leeds trying that, how did that work out again? Do you think at a massive expenditure overload institutional investors (who make up a sizeable chunk of your IPO) want the word speculate anywhere near Ibrox? They want steady, reliable progress and ideally don't want their investment sucked dry by admin 2.

As for your heartwarming thoughts towards those who do lose jobs, do you think some office staff lay off will be consoled by the thoughts "Oh well I'm laid off but at least Ally and the boys can win 6-0 now v Ayr rather than 2-0. " Behave yourself Andhol.

You say you have more faith in Mather than any other s****hawk in recent times. Was that always the case? Were you partial to Murray, Whyte or Green in their day too?

And now to your most disgraceful comment of all. "The persons that gave up their season tickets are glory hunting ****s. " How I'd love to be there as you say that to their faces. (Which would never happen in a million years. )

You could tell in his post that every fibre of Baybear was conflicted by his decision he doesn't need a no mark like you insulting him at the end of it.

You are quite possibly the poorest excuse for a Rangers fan I've seen in my entire life. Blinkered, delusional, no grasp of economics whatsoever and worst of all someone who can't respect the opinions of fellow Bears when it disagrees with your own and then to add insult to injury you say "so let's start singing from the same hymn sheet. " Laughable.

Gaz

17 Aug 2013 20:27:20
Gaz your looking for a bite, fishing I think you've referred to it as, we won today that'll do me. This page is referred to as a discussion page on all aspects of rangers, your quotes refer to people's opinions nothing else PB

I dare say I was PB :)

I have no problem with "I thought we were strong down the right today" or "so and so read the game well. " etc Look at past posts PB I rarely if at all get involved in playing stuff per se. You want to talk at length about who is your best left sided player, fine, I respect that is something for you guys alone.

But every single one of the quotes I gave lacked any degree of perspective. The scorelines is just nonsense, the Celtic "jamminess" eh? Result cherry-picking and so on and so forth. A simple enough "thought we commanded the game throughout, good effort, more of the same stuff" fine, just don't go spouting p*** that can be shown as nonsense in 2 minutes. I respect things that don't air-brush history or make a mockery of fact, merely giving you my opinion on their opinion.

Gaz

17 Aug 2013 18:41:20
RANGERS Football Club is aware of wildly inaccurate stories circulating on various websites and would like fans to know that these flights of fantasy will be monitored by our lawyers.

In particular, they are examining a malicious piece which seems to suggest that the Club does not own its facilities.
We urge Rangers fans to treat these personic and lumbering articles with the contempt they deserve. Better still, ignore them completely.
But we must also stress we cannot waste time responding publicly to every blog or ridiculous claim against this Club. Also, there is a dangerous proliferation of anonymous obsessives on various social media sites and we will not give them any credence.
Nor can we react to every journalist and publication who appear to pursue an anti-Rangers agenda, publications such as the Daily Record which today boasts yet another headline which does not accurately reflect what manager Ally McCoist said in his press conference yesterday.
This paper's intent is clear and we urge our fans to see it for what it is. If Rangers fans want the truth they will find it only on the Club's official platforms.
Finally, Jack Irvine of Media House does not speak for this Club.

The truth on the clubs official website aye right jabba pull the other one mm

I saw this earlier and was sure someone would re-post it. The first thing that struck me was that pathetic photo of the deeds where a cover was shown, any concerns anyone had would have been alleviated had they showed the contents. Any cheap point scoring non Rangers fan would have had to say fair enough but nope, the cover, that was it. It provoked more questions than it answered.

But that isn't even my main point here. The main point is it was in the Sunday Mail, the Daily Record's sister paper, oh irony of ironies.

Gaz

All well and good Mr Traynor but some points need addressed.
No one expects you to answer every blog or ridiculous claim or give them any credence. But the rumours about the owning of the assets can be easily dispelled. Why do you not just show the deeds to the assets on the club's official platform? These would of course have to be be the actual deeds as, I am sure your aware, to show false copies would lead to court action from every decent shareholder who has genuine concerns about the health of the club. Do this and everyone can stop worrying and move on. Finally, why mention Jack Irvine? Was he a man of integrity when he handled the clubs PR? If so you should have no worries. If not why were his company in charge of PR in the first place? Seems to me you may have heard of a story about to break and seem to be getting your quotes in first. As we know Mr Irvine now works for the Easdale brothers. What do they know, Mr Traynor, that has brought you to the surface?

Has anyone got Bomber Browns number. Wanted to speak with him on this issue or has he became a paid up member of the spiv club.

@3 agreed but surely they could also have presented the title deeds at the Q&A session for the fans the other week

"This paper's intent is clear"

Yes, to help get rid of the spivs from Ibrox. Hopefully they continue to leak information that exposes Green, Ahmad & co for what they are.

I've never been much of a Daily Record fan but it has certainly improved since Jabba departed.

Very interesting preemtive strike from the Jabba PR dept. Looks like a huge story is about to break. It's not rocket science, PDF the deeds and let them be available to everyone along with the overdue audited accounts. Unless of course, there is something to hide?

Radallosh

If I were in charge at Rangers I would disclose information that some fans appear to be concerned about i. e. property deeds and detailed written conformation of the £22m etc
Apart from anything else it would make certain doubters look very stupid, if everything is above board (and I'm sure that's the case) and sure that certain contributors would be only too happy to concede the error of their doubts.

17 Aug 2013 17:12:04
Ok, I am surely in a minority on this page, but I wish to make a positive statement. Rangers fc, played 2, won 2 scored 7 and let in 1. It is now over to the 'doom and gloomers'.

That's cost £3m per goal so far. Well done Ally still within budget McCoist.

It is div 2 though and you have conviently missed the league cup game as well

No wait till we meet a better team then ally will be found out again.

Some people are just more comfortable with pointing out the elephant in the room rather than pretending it isn't there. No amount of 3-0 wins at Stranrar can make me ignore the bigger picture.
Our badge, our colours, our stadium our songs, our players, our legends, our history, our titles. All this has been used to suck us in over the last 2 years. All that is familiar to us, that we trust is nothing more than a disguise to keep us thinking it's all fine. Forgive me for being unable to ignore this in favour of getting excited about beating Brechin and Stranrar with players that may very well not end up ours.
Basically mate we are the support equivelent of a bairn being groomed by a nonce. I can't ignore that and I'd like to think you can't either

Kind regards

Chief Gloommonger

Brilliant, a remarkable start, as you say two from two, the quadruple must still be on then eh?

Oh wait!

Gaz

No one is asking you to get excited about our league games- I will only mention the league games as they are the stats that count, nothing convenient about it, cup stats do not appear on any league table. I always say that the main problem is in the background, that people should be able to see that instead of moaning about the performances etc. My point is when the footballing side is positive, the neer do wells blame club politics and vice versa.

p. s

In our cup games we have a positive goal difference, so why even mention them- unless you will count the penalies too.

I was the original poster. let's be honest, the main problems within the club are those happening behind closed doors. that's where the focus of the moaning and ill feeling should be generated. The football side of things will take care of itself. There will always be the snidey remarks from opposing fans- why they spend their time on other clubs' forums, I will never know.

The point being that there will always be moaning even if we win comfortably. It is only a start, but it is has been reasonabe, and hopefully the team will push on and play far better football than they did last season. No one is getting carried away though.

17 Aug 2013 16:37:10
Time to tell the truth. The so called "Fans" of Rangers at Stair Park today throwing flares on to the pitch are:

personic
Brainless
Neanderthal
Unwelcome
Knuckle Draggers

They do not represent the traditions of Rangers Football Club, they are drunken louts who no one wants at RFC. A disgrace to themselves and drag the club down to there illiterate level of poison handed down no doubt, through "tradition" within their families.

Your Unwelcome, Unwanted - but more importantly, UNDERSTAND!

Great post there op, sometimes the truth hurts mate. BT

I think this is part of the reason we are such a divided support. I really feel decent supporters feel it's difficult to call out these Id10ts as we don't think the club will back us. I'm not blind or deaf but on many occasions club officials play it dumb or play this behaviour down. Maybe they fear alienating this element as they feel they are the most dedicated supporters. I firmly believe if the club took a proper stand against some of the neddy element there would be more decent fans to take their place. I don't know, maybe they quite like the "traditions" that these pr1ck5 hold so dear.

What does personic mean? I've only ever seen it used on this site.

@3 sometimes ed has to substitute some words for others

Whilst not wanting to condone the use
of flares at our matches its not as bad
as. in other countries were it seems to
be accepted and come on to say its part
of some" traditions " come on how many times through the years have you seen it
happen at Rangers matches
billy h

Cheers baybear but is it a word?

Billy H,

Two points:

The traditions I refer to are that of " no one likes us, we don't care" that does NOT mean disrupting football matches because certain fans think the world is against Rangers, and believe they are smart a**ses, and above the law is ok.

Point two. You say the use of flares is not as bad as elsewhere. By your own logic then, we should turn a blind eye to Glasgows crime rate because its not as bad as Londons?. Wrong is Wrong. throwing flares at a public event whilst supposedly representing Rangers Football Club is WRONG.

Get rid of these Neanderthal knuckle Draggers - no place at RFC.

Wasn't really referring to the flares as traditional Billy. More a case of suggesting the flare throwers are the same folk that hold on to the more unsavory parts of our history and think that's what it is to be Rangers. I'm sure there are many who don't put any thought into what they say or do or sing, and many who don't have a clue what their even singing about. Someone who is prepared to throw flares despite being asked by the club not to either doesn't have any respect for representing our club, or they have no fear that the club will do anything about it. Either way, their behaviour gives others with an agenda the opportunity to highlight our failings. We have enough going on right now without these moronic tw@ts drawing more unwanted attention our way.

Also Billy, I agree it's maybe not as bad as at other clubs/countries but I doubt that would cut it if some kid or ballboy gets their face melted because of some p155ed up ned fan#ying around with a flare.

ED. bit confused. My earlier post had the word " personic" inserted. I thot I made a Typo. Recent post about Rangers not owning assets has same word in it?. trouble is, I never typed it as it is NOT in the Oxford English Dictionary. Coincidence? {Ed001's Note - no mate, it is the swear filter, it alters certain words automatically to read as person.}

Person gets swapped for a word with two I's a D, an O and a T. (Not exactly in that order).

I should know I've tried to post it enough times :)

It losses impact however when person becomes personic, let's face it Ed it's personic when it does that. :)

Gaz {Ed001's Note - there are loads of words it alters, some highly offensive, others less so. It is done on purpose, so no one can be sure what the word is.}

Baybear

Totally agree. Try telling a civil law suit lawyer that RFC should not be prosecuted because "they have more flares in Italy - and the Ned at stair park only threw one"

It's Wrong. CFC are threatening the Green Brigade for their behaviour. it's time people at Ibrox grew " a pair" and " cleansed" our Club of ALL the Sh*t once for all.

I know it does Ed but it's when it ends in IC it loses it, I mean how often does someone in here call John Brown barbaric? :)

Gaz {Ed001's Note - you are making no sense.}

17 Aug 2013 12:55:16
We are a total shambles from top to bottom, our board are a joke, we've got no accounts, all our merchandising has been out sourced, no one knows who owns what or why, we are apparently hemorrhaging money while we are trying to bring in 3 more players making 11! surely this will only end one way with Rangers going back into administration. Why won't anyone tell us the truth? if we are skint don't sign these players, but if we are not skint why is everyone saying we are? everything they say and do seems to contradict everything else they say and do, this is their chance to prove they have Rangers best interests at heart and that they understands our concerns like they claims to, a little bit of honesty here would go a long way in gaining the trust of the fans.

Malcolm Murray stood down from being CHAIRMAN! Saying he did not want another div3 title, and wanted transparency.

Smith then stood down. saying 10-20 years damage done, to the 140 yeral old club.

Transparancy, truth, clarity is gone. its boom and bust, bust, bust. from here on in.

This is a classic ploy by companies who know they are going to go bust. They buy in loads of stock with the intention of never paying for it. In this case it's players. So when admin 2 strikes, they can say to all these players that if they are "true Rangers men" they will play for the jersey on reduced wages. This will then give them an excuse to have a clear out of the earners they don't want. As for McCoist, no sign of him losing his over inflated pay.

Radallosh

We to need real rangers men in now.

@3 explain real rangers men? We have got this rediculous saying "rangers men" and what is ally or walterr? Or is this what we call shysters associated with the old rangers FC?

@4 real rangers men who have rangers at thier hearst, malcolm murray and smith both real rangers long term fans, and push out by false allegations, videos and boardroom gossip

sadly bloggers like murdo believe false rumours are true and want green who is no real rangers man, not put in more than £25k and don't hear about him paying leccie bills etc etc etc

@1 So why are we sticking by McCoist surely those are the attributes he brings to the party because god knows he brings nothing else. We have been shafted by real Rangers men time and again, the time has come for us to act, actually we should of done something 12 months ago but if we do nothing now we could lose Rangers.

17 Aug 2013 10:28:06
How can an outfit, that at the time of their IPO were in th 4th Tier, blow the "22 million" cash raised already? in a little over 7 months? WTF? that's the amount of cash Celtic made from their CL run last year, and they have not burned it and are playing in a higher league and Europe. What is going on?

17 Aug 2013 04:33:47
another thing that got to me why didn't we go for barry robson when he was free agent that baffles me 34 or not would have clearly fired us up the leagues remember 3 in a row for tht lot could have done with his grit

I think the fact that he has to undergo knee surgery already tells you why. Sure Aberdeen fans wish we had signed him up to our pension plan too.