Rangers Banter Archive December 17 2012

 

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17 Dec 2012 22:28:14
I was just in sports direct today. There is no way that they should be trying to get the naming right to ibrox their stores are an absolute miden its more like a jumble sale it would be an absolute embarrassment and we the supporters should make sure that this never happen.

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Another boycott ???? shammy

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They make an absolute fortune, who cares if there stores are untidy.

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Celtic fan here: what's a jumble sale? {The Ed039's Note - Seriously??)

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Isn't it the last day of the transfer window.....DH

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No 3 isnt it a sale of old tic memorabilia in the jumble across from the main stand at parkhead lol doug t.s.o

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17 Dec 2012 18:02:18
we must still be in tons of debt, Ally has said that we cant afford to spend money? thought we raised over 20 million on shares, 800k for davis, all the season tickets and others buying tickets , something fishy is going on and mccoist knows it, looks like charles greens going to have a amazing xmas when hes laughing at us.

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Green says he needs £9m to repair Ibrox for 2014 games. Sorry but I can't believe that.
Government money underpins infrastructure for the games.
Rumour Green is buying Albion and the offices building from SDM with share money. Also operating costs through first year. Anyway guess we will soon see if Green was telling the truth or not regarding him buying the shares.

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17 Dec 2012 19:14:34
According to STV (your club's media partner) they state only £2m raised in share issue so far.
Doing some arithmetic, going on Green's own figures of 500 million fans worldwide, I make it each fan has put in £0.004 PENCE of their own money. What backing you bears give your club.. lol Timalloy

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Op what are you on mate?

right now there is no debt and 4.5 M in the bank

Ally said we cant buy players eh there is an embargo on us

We havent raised anything yet, issue closes tomorrow at 1pm then we will know

Money for davis was kept by the SFA

season tickets and other income were in the prospectus

JG

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What a brainy boy you are you shouldnt listen to rangers haters 54 and counting the best fans in the world

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Tim. Have you not, along with a multitude of other 'visitors' on here, been urging fans not to invest in the share scheme for weeks now as Green is only interested in fleecing us and our money would only go to line Ahmed et al's pockets, etc? Surely, unless all of the collective warnings were nefarious by nature rather than genuine, you should be saying congratulations to the Bears that heeded your warnings if the ALLEGED low investment figures turn out to be true, lol. Always with them negatives vibes Moriarty, lol. Let's wait and see, eh.

Brian

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Rangers need help financially at the moment to protect their future. I'm buying shares because I can afford them and love my club.

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#JG; £4.5m in the bank.How long would that last without the share issue? As for no debt,debt accrues every day in the form of bills.Have a look in the prospectus at what the directors are costing weekly,add football staff wages,workers wages tax and vat not to mention utilities and the running costs figure must be very high.So how long before £4.5m is swallowed up?

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@ 7. And I suppose our club doesn't bring in any other income throughout the season to offset these costs. Like merchandise, programme sales tv stage payments etc.

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@8 are you serious? you think matchday programmes and merchandise will cover running costs?! are you mental?!

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@9 does not cover running costs but goes some way to help.Do you think season tickets at other clubs cover the running of such clubs?.It takes a combination of season tickets merchandise hospitality sponsorships etc.

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@ 9. Not mental just more informed than you. These would obviously not cover running costs but may offset some of the day to day running costs. Do you not think rangers get a profit from these ? Profit to help pay towards running costs? So are you mental?

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To number 3 wee mite have 4.5 million
in bank but this will soon be ran out way before the end of season income doesnt cover our expenditure thats why green needs this share issue to keep the club afloat what happens when that money runs out that would be ma question to green

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@12 now looks like we have 26.7m in the bank

JG

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17 Dec 2012 12:51:07
hi ed, rumours about a possible exposive story breaking tomorrow in the sun regards rangers, and some high powered individuals within the sfa, who were trying there best to bury us, have you heard anything ? {The Ed039's Note - Heard the same thing yesterday for today and there is still nothing. Trust me guys, The S*n isnt the best place to get your information)

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The SFA have appeared to bend over backwards to help Rangers including breaking their own regulations to deliver only a one year transfer ban instead of more stringent punishments including expulsion from the game.
The SFA and its CEO and president tried their best to persuade the SPL chairmen to allow new Rangers into the SPL. {The Ed039's Note - Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You are deluded if you think that anyone was ever going to expel Rangers from the league. And you know the reason the tried to persuade chairmen to allow Rangers into SPL? Because SKY threatend to throw all the toys out of the pram, the SPL and SFA have done nothing but look after their own interests in the issues you raise, all in the name of sporting integrity ........ boll***s)

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Correct ed !!

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The SFA did not break their rules by only applying a one year ban on Rangers buying any players. If you read the rules of the SFA no such rule actually exists and that was confirmed by the Law Courts.
The SFA were told that their articles of association as they stood at the time of the decison making process did not include any rule that allowed them to impose a transfer ban.
What the SFA did was to ignore that decision and demand that Rangers except that year transfer ban or they would refuse to issue a licence to play football. Another name for that is BLACKMAIL {The Ed039's Note - Correct. But there is no corruption in the SPL led SFA)

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The sfa and spl are in for a major shock keep reading the papers in the next few days

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Brilliant, finally, an ed who will say it as it is, keep up the good work. PB

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Ed, your reply at 1) underpins the argument SFA and SPL were institutionally pro newco Rangers. Regardless of self serving reasons (sky money) it cannot be argued they were anti rangers.
If the SFA had wished the demise of Newco Rangers it was well within their powers to do so. {The Ed039's Note - But they didnt because it would have been bad for business overall. Looking after themselves)

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What should have the punishment have been esteemed Editor? You obviously feel aggrieved and that rangers were badly treated, so I ask you - what should have been done? turn a cheek as if nothing happened? {The Ed039's Note - I have said all along that this is blackmail, if you cant see that and think that Rangers have been let off lightly, while the SFA and SPL have still tried to milk it then you are off your trolley)

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Hi Ed, what exactly is the position with the sky/ESPN deal ? Is it not the case that this years tv deal was ONLY, agreed late on that they must include showing several Rangers games ? And that they have still to Agree the new tv deal for the next 3 seasons.... I know this old chessnut regarding SPL 1 SPL 2 being rushed through so that the tv deal can be ironed out , but with Most of us Rangers fans wanting to do it our way , winning our way through the leagues for the next 3 seasons, i think this will cause a major issues . with the sky deal. i would push the boat out to negotiate a deal with say Al- jazeera sports or fox sports, this way we would make more money for ourselves. {The Ed039's Note - The deal isnt negotiated by Rangers, it is negotiated by the league and its members vote whether to accept it or not. If a majority decision is met then there is nothing you can do about it)

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@7 Ed039 You have still not answered 7's question. You have gone off on another rant about the SPL/SFA. Can you please enlighten us to what you think was the correct punishment for Rangers.

Ian {The Ed039's Note - As a consequence Rangers were refused entry to the SPL and had to re-apply to join SFL do you not think this is punishment enough, or are you one of the lets bury Rangers brigade, lets make them play juniors, or lets give them a 2 year ban? And I will rant about the SFA/SPL. They are 2 seperate footballing bodies, yet they seem to be in bed together, wanting to seem like they are coming down on Rangers, yet still wanting the money that they bring to the table)

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Ed thanks for your reply. I am not one of the bury them brigade your previous owners done that all by themselves.


Yes the SFA/SPL tried all they could to keep Rangers in the SPL or at worse SFL1 so they could continue to line their pockets but as you are a new company surely starting in the 3rd Div is a reward as there are plenty junior league teams that have the financial accounts etc that would have granted them into the 3rd Div.

My opinion of it may not matter a jot to anyone but as I see it Rangers are only allowed to continue in the SFL because the SPL/SFA know that you have the infrastructure and fan base to be a big team again and they can once again line their pockets of the "OLD FIRM".

Ian {The Ed039's Note - But once again I challenge someone to show me that 3 years accounts is a must for membership? This is not the case and I wish that folk would get it)

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Ed you are a walking hypocrisy. yes, they may be thinking about lining their own pockets, but can you seriously not see how this has benefited rangers?!?!?!?!? NO OTHER TEAM (apart from maybe celtic) WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A GOLDEN TICKET INTO DIVISION 3!

stop blaming everyone else for rangers demise.

{The Ed039's Note - At what point did I blame anyone else for what happened to Rangers?? I have acknowledged time and again what happened, the point I am trying to make is Rangers and Celtic are the only show in town that brings the said money in to line the SFA/SPL pockets, sporting integrity was the word that was used, but blackmailing teams when they cant get their own way sort of makes the sporting integrity line redundant, if you cant see that then maybe you need to take a long hard look)

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Ian.
The SFA had certain "ambiguous" rules in place,but were quite happy to leave them open ended. I think they did this purposely to allow some wriggle room for all of their members not just Rangers. Remeber CFC had problems not so long ago. The added problem was that the SPL are almost self governing. This should but probably won't dispel the myth that the SFA favoured Rangers. If the SFA were as powerful as some seem t be suggesting why did they not intervene and stop the clubs voting,by making the decision for them,for the good of the game? I don't know the answer to that,but what i do know is that it had absolutely nothing to do with sporting integrity.
What are YOUR thoughs on this point?
Going back to your point about 3 years accounts and the other qualification criteria for joining the SFL,you should also be aware that no other club applied to join the league. I certainly can't recall relentless objections or any litigation action from Annan Athletic or anyone else,can you?
P.O.B.

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The SFA could not step in as the clubs form the SPL they hold the rights to who should be voted in/out or to re-enter as a newcompany. However this should never have gone to a vote.
I agree sporting integrity has been banded around to much. But I still feel the correct decision was made and Rangers should not have been able to walk straight back into the SPL as a debt free club. That opens the doors to all clubs to do the same. I also agree that they should not have been given entry to Div1.

I dont know what the correct punishment is was should have been but it is done now.

As for no one applying to enter into the 3rd Div I will conseed that one to you.

On the flipside it would be interesting to see what would have happened if a junior team had applied at the same time.

Ian {The Ed039's Note - It wouldnt have been interesting because you know what the outcome would have been)

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Yeah can you imagine the delight of all sfl clubs when they were told no rangers this season but at least we got cove or Spartans. Imagine the tv deal. Imagine the increase in ticket sales. Imagine the need for extra seating. Imagine the death of Scottish football more like.

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The transfer ban was for bringing the game into disrepute by not paying last years tax or other clubs away ticket money at no point did rangers have to re apply to join the spl because of that they lost their place throu liquidation a completely different thing altogether and although two votes by to bodies ever club in scottish football voted the same way ( start at the bottom ) the spl and you new found friends the sfl all voted with the same opinion

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@15 Rangers brought about its own downfall, no question, but we were thrown about like a ragdoll all summer and it had absolutely heehaw to do with sporting integrity. Yes the majority of clubs voted the same way. However, the SPL, because of the fans backlash at Rangers possibly being retained/let in, rolled the dice and, having been forced into saying no, tried to blackmail the SFL into breaking their own rules (at least they had rules in place unlike the SPL) by letting us into the First Division so we could return as soon as possible. When the SFL were handed the opportunity to keep Rangers in their leagues for a minimum 3 years, potentially strengthening their hand in terms of reconstruction and money from TV deals/sponsorship etc at the same, they grabbed it with both hands. Of course they would have! Why would they vote any other way? Certainly not because it was the right thing to do, that was just an added bonus.

As soon as the fans had kicked up a stink (admittedly with good reason) and the SPL bottled it, leaving the decision in the hands of their 'inferior little brother', it was always going to be Division 3 (which most of us wanted anyway so no complaints about the end result from me, it just annoys me how we got there and the length of time it took). Sporting integrity played little or no part in the voting structure at all though, it was all about the money, as was the 'five way agreement'. SI was just the buzzword used as it had a nicer ring to it than self serving greed by everyone involved which is what it really was. You are extremely naive if you think they voted purely on moral grounds, in my opinion.

Brian

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17 Dec 2012 11:08:28
Does anyone know how the share issue is going? {The Ed039's Note - Deadline is tomorrow at 1pm. Will have figures shortly after that)

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Cheers Ed, all the bears i know have got some.

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#1; Seems to be a bit of a flop if the papers are to be believed.Under £2m? {The Ed039's Note - Keith Jackson, knows how to spin a story. Its not the fans money that Green is interested in and what Jackson is reporting, its big investors he is looking to)

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Be prepared for a
right slagging if we
don't reach total
suggested by
Mr green ...
Billy H. {The Ed039's Note - There is a slagging one way or another, its how Rangers, Celtic and Scottish Football works)

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3. Would you prefer fans to go into debt just before Christmas in a recession just so Celtic fans can't slag us off about how much they put in under the Bunnet?

Green is picking up any shares leftover anyway so what real difference does it make to Rangers?

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ED039, So it's the institutions that are not picking up? Is that worse news given the austere times were in and heading for? {The Ed039's Note - No, the deadline for fans to invest is 1pm tomorrow, then what is left will go to institutional investors, or Green will snap em up himself as he has mentioned before)

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I cannot fathom how any fund manager or financial house could possibly justify putting money into Rangers. {The Ed039's Note - Maybe the commission they receive would convince them otherwise??)

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No deadline on fan investment ,£100k so far through RST.

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6) Ed what you've suggested there is self serving corruption rather than a competent integrity backed investment decision based on best returns for clients money.

So Rangers supporters money going on fund managers commissions? {The Ed039's Note - You think that fund managers work for free? They back whatever product is in front of them if there is a fee involved)

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A wee bird told me that they have sold a grand total of £1.6m worth of shares , lets see if Mr Green is true to his word .... he said he'd buy up the leftover shares !!

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20 mill would be a fantastic result in total true blue

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@2 & 9 aye the company that are handling the applications for shares are calling the papers and wee birds on the hour every hour to tell them how things are going - NOT!!

JG

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17 Dec 2012 08:44:43
Just been reading our manager's comments regarding Sandy Jardine.
Sandy's spirit epitomises everything about our club.
The club has had it's own adversity to overcome and now one of our greatest servants faces the biggest battle of them all. Yet we hear Ally speaking of how despite his own troubles Sandy has been a rock to him, and also lifted the spirits of others around Ibrox.
This is exactly what any club is about,the people involved with it.
That is why we are RFC and always will be. God speed Sandy we need a true Ranger back at his desk to remind us of where we've been and help us with where we're going.
P.O.B.

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Well said sir a legend

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16 Dec 2012 23:01:31
Quick question ed the games against Dundee utd that got abandoned rangers got 40% of the money. Could rangers not have given fans some of there money back. JD {Ed001's Note - so a club in financial difficulties giving money back? I very much doubt it would have been a good idea at the time, it was money the club couldn't afford to lose.}

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But another way of looking at it would be to say it was always liquidation, newco, leave debt behind and start again. They knew that money wouldn't have made a difference anyways so could have paid it back to the fans! {Ed001's Note - that would be a completely false way of looking at it, considering it wasn't about to be liquidated at the time. There was still a good chance it could be rescued.}

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Ed:
I can't believe it but I almost reacted to that. Oh well lucky I'm content with my life.

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Rangers did not receive any of this money as the game that was called off at half time was in the SPL, so get your facts right before mouthing off thanks, andygers74, RTID

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@3 I too recall that particular match being an SPL fixture . Thought maybe I was mistaken. {The Ed039's Note - It was an SPL fixture)

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