Rangers Banter Archive January 17 2014

17 Jan 2014 18:57:38
full back andy mitchell has left rangers by mutual consent, wasn't going to get into the first team so good luck to the lad.

Am I missing something? I thought it was players like Mitchell we should be keeping, he's a young low earner, should it not be high earners that are leaving?

What you on about why would we keep him hasn't impressed me that's why he went to Annan on loan didn't set heather on fire there either

@2 to be fair Mitchell did well at the tail end of
last season no worse than Faure or Foster who are probably on a far higher wage than him.
Another young player leaves. Good luck and hope you prove that there is still a future in the game after leaving Ibrox.
McCormack, Burke, and Adam are a few names that spring to mind.

Looks like the young man left without creating a fuss or demanding a huge payoff. A bit of dignity where's it's been lacking of late

17 Jan 2014 18:36:33
When we went to the 3rd division I seen it as a chance to build a bank balance up, but when we have a team full of duds on 7k a week how is this possible? let's go through so of the players, Alexander not needed for division 3 when we had Gallagher, Greek boy, Fauré, cribari, all a waste of time, Ian black not needed Kevin Kyle and Fran sandaza, dean shiels enough said, Templeton signed to show teams are still a big club. These 9 players cost the guts of 40k a week, that's 160,000 a month FFS, then we add another 9 players to an already raising wage. We had a youngster for everyone of these positions but decided to either replace them or ship them out on loan, and before anybody goes on about youngsters can't do it dunfermline sit 2nd place in league with team of youngsters we deserve this situation end of.

17 Jan 2014 20:14:45
@Sweep1 on Radio Clyde tonight it stated your club has 55 signed players, Celtic two leagues higher only have 50 players. You could jettison at least 10 players and still have a bigger squad next season in the championship. You are right about the money being paid out at Ibrox.
Another caller asked if the directors were taking a pay cut and also suggested they give their shares back to Rangers.
Here is my suggestion, I believe both Ally and Walter received penny shares also from Green, as loyal Rangers men, why don't both of them sell the shares and donate proceeds to help the club, after all these shares were supposed to help Rangers surely this is the fairest way. Timalloy

Ally is all me, me, me Timothy he's no intention of giving his shares to rangers, ally is just as bad as the rest of the crooks, I have no respect anymore for super ally.

Sweep 1 I agree with just about all of your post but we needed a strong CEO like Wallace and we got fork tongue Green and weak as water Mather.
If you add to your list poor decisions like not Giving Gallacher the last 5 league games when DIV 3 was won then we may not have needed Cammy Bell. If Ally, McDowell and Durrant were on their game why did Andrew Roberston of Queens Park end up at Dundee United and not Rangers?

But at the end of the day McCoist and his lack of management has been massively disappointing but Green, Stockbridge, Mather, bonuses, shares and IPO costs Toxic Jack and his costs to spin more tosh for the sleazdales has ran away with more cash.

But its all done now, we are where we are- up to our eyes in sh#te and I just hope we can get through to the end of the season.

It was tough being a bear when Greigy was our manager but that was a cakewalk compared to this daily torture.

In stead of coming up with a united strategy to save our club- the big picture we end up with the Super Ally cheer-leaders versus the rest of us and that ain't going to fix anything.

Nbear stop mentioning Robertson, if we did sign him he would just take Stevie smiths place on the bench, never ever going to put Wallace out the first 11, so he would have wasted away.

Johncass ally has played more than 1 game with 2 left backs this season.

@ 4 in answer to your question - NO!
I'm old enough to remember the Scottish national team with just about the best ever full back partnership Danny McGrain and Sandy Jardine and both were right backs. If you think Lee Wallace will not move if a good offer comes in with the threat of another potential administartion hanging over our club then there is a deep flaw in your logic. And if at any time a club can secure an amateur player for nothing on low wages who within months is seen by a Premiership team to be worth over £1million and doesn't attempt to snap that player up but settles for a guy who was a flop first time around and who is now older and costing more money- OAFT!

Sweep should we have signed him to play him out of position then? Nbear your talking about signing him 6 month ago, if he did sign would he play any games at left back before Wallace? A would say no, he would be on the bench at most, so there would be no English clubs interested either, so as a says before he would waste away.

17 Jan 2014 16:17:56
Graham Wallaces comments in his interview ith keith Jackson "The relationship I have with the manager is good. We both share a similar objective. We want to have a winning team, playing good football.

The question is how best to do that within the financial envelope that we are operating.

We are building for the future. Right now we are well clear at the top of League One and that will take care of itself.

What we are looking into is next season and the season beyond that.

But you have to remember that, all things going to plan, we will have a successful season next year and then we will be back into the top flight.

We have two summer transfer windows before then so there is plenty of time to make sure we have the right footballing capability, relevant to the competition we are in. "

So the original plan of building a team who knew eachtoher already playing good football before entering the SPL is now dead pan, What wallace is saying is we need to offload all our good player now scrape the barrell in the summer to bring players in to get back in the SPL and then buy more players of quality before we join the SPL an unknown side. Even if we get back in the SPL we will struggle to compete with Aberdeen, Hibs, Celtic, Dundee United or Cally Thistle.

FACT! it will take years of smart investment to build up finances to compete again.

FACT! we need someone to invest who see's it as a long term investment and not a quick buck excersise.

I am getting sick of all the lack of direction. lack of clarity, change of CEO. No doubt the season ticket value will take a hefty price hike at renewal. I am not paying more to watch a second rate rangers team its bad enough the football being played as it is without losing Wallace, Daly, Templeton, Shiels, Law etc.

Deary me someone's got there crystal ball out again and can see into the future. The reason money is tight just now is we have been robbed of nearly every penny. There should have been more than enough money in the bank but unfortunately rangers were caught with there trousers down and well and truly shafted by our so called owners. This was always there plan and that plan has nearly came to a end and they will sell up and jump ship at the end of the season. dave king will then probably buy the club and invest some serious money. Sorry but I do have to laugh at your opinion that we will not be able to compete with Inverness by then we will hopefully have credit facilities available and season tickets will rise by about 40% bringing in about £20 mil alone. Except for Celtic you would be lucky if there is a club in the spl with income of £10 mil a season. When we return to the spl our income should be about£30/£40 mil a season without European football. So I think it will be the same old right away rangers and Celtic 1st and 2nd.

@ Pat the Ranger- you're definitely a glass is half full kind of guy. I wish I shared your optimism and hope you are correct but right now I would settle for getting to the end of the season without another financial event

17 Jan 2014 12:14:20
Proud of our first team players who have stood up to summers and said we won't consider a pay cut until the board of directors do. GAME SET AND MATCH on that argument.

17 Jan 2014 13:32:10
Proud of the players too. Good management is leading by example.

Ashamed that Ally McCoist was so spineless that he let Jig bring up the idea of the wage cut, and disgusted with his cheerleaders in the media like Gordon Dalziel (who I've always liked up till now to be fair) who pretended that the captain of the team should break the news to his fellow players.

Likewise the idea that Ally would not have been asked by non Football men on the board what sort of wage the likes of Ian Black should have been offered to join Rangers. We are not all persons Gordon.

Naz that's not what it said Ally went in with Jig explained what was proposed then left the players to talk it through with their Captain for god sake that is normal all this anti Ally its the board that you need to look at missmanagement in a giant scale the manager does not negotiate contracts he says which players he would like the board says if he can have them then a director I prosume Stockbridge will negotiate wages and contract

17 Jan 2014 15:08:28
Totally agree what a spineless jellyfish of a manager getting big jig to fire the bullets from the hierarchys gun, maybe he could step up and do the rest of allys job on a fulltime basis. Bluebear.

How is mccoist spineless him and jig went in explained what was on offer ally left to let them vote which they categorically voted against then mccoist mccoist backs the players so please stop talkin utter guff

McCoist stated he wasn't privvy to the meeting of the players, really! For me he was a legend as a player but his reputation is being badly damaged by his continual spin on issues. Backing green, Mather blah blah and now this! Do us a favour ally!

There are a lot of spineless posters on here attacking Ally without any proof or reason. Ally gave Jig his place as captain and leader of the players by telling him first about bad news coming for sources outwith Allys control, surely if you want to have a go at someone have a go at Wallace and his cohorts who actually came up with this shameless proposition but then that might not suit your agenda.

Jyf you have got it in one the anti Ally brigade can not see the wood for the trees it is normal for the Captain to speak to the team how could players vote with Ally sitting there

17 Jan 2014 21:06:04
Can some of the Ally cheerleaders explain why if Ally is so wonderful he didn't think to ask Wallace when the pair met last week what was the financial situation at the club?

Sorry but his head in the sand routine doesn't wash it with me.

Everybody could see there was going to have to be cuts to the playing staff or the wages of the playing staff or both but Ally then went off to tell some of Jack Irvine's press pals that he knew nothing about the club's reported financial woes after not bothering to ask the CEO who he claims he has a good relationship with.

He's supported every single spiv that's made their way to Ibrox to bleed the fans dry and his Rangers legend status is lone gone as far as I'm concerned.

@8 I'm no ally cheerleader but if your going to quote what got said then quote the truth ally wasn't talking about the financial situation now he was talking when he brought the all the players in and he said if he was told at the time this could cause the situation we are in now he wouldn't have signed them at the end of the day it's not ally who deals with the finances so why can so many fans put the blame at his door for this mess it's the men who have ran the club if we had Wallace we would already have sustainable business but unlucky for us we got stuck wae chuckie and then slimer there's only so much a manager can take the blame for

17 Jan 2014 08:13:03
Does this 15% wage cut not stop any more stupid rumours about signing the likes of Boyd and Miller?

We are now going to be in a fire sale and I would imagine all players have their price to leave now.
Some with a fee others just to get off our books.
The financial SPIVS have taken all the money from the IPO.
This is an even worse case of blind robbery than directly under wees****.

16 Jan 2014 23:24:55
get rid of -

mcdowell and durrant
simonsen
foster
cribari
mcculloch
smith
black
peralta
shiels
perry
and ask super ally to work for nowt until next season.
Bear in mind the wages offered and the players signed were all of ally's doing and STILL he wants to spend more!
on top of this, offer ibrox up for re-naming and sell murray park-
all this is scathing but NECESSARY to assist with our survival. Only then can we look further ahead

weebill

Ally signed all these plonkers, I don't even think I'd want ally rangers manager even if he worked for free, he's never a manager, I think Jim Jefferies is the right man, he's done a great job with a bunch of youngsters at dunfermline.

Cannot disagree with the majority of the post Wee Bill but if we survive the season and are still in business next season we will need Murray Park more than ever because we will not have any money for players. That news will affect season ticket sales and will let Ally know he must trust/find young no cost low salary talent and some of us on here don't think he will "manage" with that news. And saying that I hope to God he proves me wrong and is a success

So here we go again and yet again we have learnt nothing. Another hit list of who to get rid of, why?
WHat have any of the names on the list done in respect of putting our team into mess its in?
They are in essence workers who joined in good faith with the words of super ally ringing in their ears about how they would be the saviours, heroes in the coming years
THey like every worker the world over are just little fish in the big buisness world and in no way have to be treated like leapers.
Lets do it right this time, no more money to the big spivs, if it needs admin then admin it is.
Point reduction, then re build with the support main owners, dictating everything from wages to the priceofa pie.
WE must do something now and that means everyone from players to cleaners at our own ibrox etc.
Come on everyone stop the in fighting that's what the spivs want, hence the players getting blsme first

Apart from McCulloch & Perry ally did sign the players you mention but were they not all free transfers so maybe a tad unfair to judge him on the players he signed in a hurry to make up the numbers and no in not sticking up for him but maybe if there was money to spend we would've seen different players so let's not judge him on the players as they were probs best available for nowt just an honest opinion
r. f

OP, I agree with most of your post apart from McDowell, he done a great job at Celtic for 10 years bringing through youth and this is what we need now more than ever. Maybe he is being used wrongly at Ibrox?

Wullie