Rangers Banter Archive January 17 2017

 

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17 Jan 2017 20:23:49
i sometimes despair at the negative comments from murray park davie weir on tele saying spending of £100m would not give u sucess in spl then said when walter signed him the defence waas accused of being hopless then said that was the same critisim as todays defence has been level at them



18 Jan 2017 07:12:21
If they truly believe that then the management should pack up and leave! I could guarantee to challenge Celtic with £100m.



18 Jan 2017 21:59:08
To me he was covering for the players we have brought in
Like u don't always get what u think you are buying
There needs to be more passion coming from the staff he should be saying we can win the league with what we have got it might not b true but you need to believe ie Leicester city take a bow.

I'd love £100 million to spend on players but we don't need that we need to buy players who are proud to play for Rangers players who turn up every week and try there hardest.

There's no constancy with the team but I'm buzzing for next season if we get the second spot then a chance of getting better players threw the door with the money it can generate



18 Jan 2017 22:50:54
id start a new team give me 100 million and i'd win that league easy.
give that 100 million to thistle and there would be a new big team in glasgow



19 Jan 2017 10:09:50
James, if you gave £100m to any SPL Club there would be a very high probability that they would win the league. Weir should keep quiet and concentrate on sorting out our defence!



17 Jan 2017 19:19:31
I see Joe Dodoo is injured. Is there something in the water?



18 Jan 2017 06:18:14
no nothing in the water matthew94. joe simply tweeked a muscle whilst evading a challenge in training.



17 Jan 2017 18:44:55
in my opinion its not the quality of the youngsters that's the problem, its the quality of the coaching. Top teams in England and Europe seem to be able to bring on their kids so the coaching methods AND the coaches themselves must be a big factor.

If we want to produce talent we have to get TOP QUALITY coaches in. has anyone actually gone on our website and had a look at the QUANTITY of backroom staff? practically full of unknown people no doubt picking up good money but for what exactly? no end product means failure so maybe that's where we should be looking.



17 Jan 2017 19:18:39
Time will tell when the current crop of 15/ 16 year olds should be breaking through, until then it's hard to be too critical of the current coaches given the mess they inherited



17 Jan 2017 21:22:06
I don't agree wee Bill, a youth coach doesn't have to be a famous ex player to be a decent coach, in fact a lot of ex pros make very average coaches and I think we have made that mistake way too often with the jobs for the boys mentality.
Our youth coaches have been in place for less than 18 months, a total new philosophy is in place, the older youths have been released so that the really young guys with potential are being pushed into games with older, physically bigger opponents with the aim they will develop quicker.
Time will tell if it produces but I don't c how we can be negative about a youth set up that's been in place for just over a year



17 Jan 2017 23:17:00
I was involved in youth coaching at a very high level. Coaches who came from the professional playing ranks found it difficult to relate to the kids and to teach them anything much at all. The boys related far better to other coaches who had good communication skills and the ability to pass on knowledge. Most of these coaches were 'unknown people'. Even the Liverpool set-up under Steve Heighway was peppered with 'unknown people'. All the best set-ups had a mixture of both, and indeed I worked for some time in a partnership with someone you would all consider to be a Rangers hero. It's not names we need, it's knowledge and understanding combined with patience.



18 Jan 2017 20:56:19
Our academy under warburton has been totally revamped, our coaches are first class, and btw our academy will produce real quality in the next 5 years



17 Jan 2017 18:43:21
Just watched this, surely its enough to suggest that Halliday needs to play in a more attacking role, Anyone can see that he's not a holding midfielder!



17 Jan 2017 20:53:46
He is not and never will be a Holding midfield player / defensive midfield player and both the team and Halliday are suffering as a result. We should be bringing in a player for the defensive role and giving Halliday the opportunity to establish himself in his own position.

We are seeing the same thing as happened with Lee McCulloch. The guy is Rangers through and through and will play anywhere for the club.

Due to the ineptitude of the management they have failed to sign a player for that holding role and it is really not helping anyone



18 Jan 2017 07:21:10
No he did sign a defensive midfielder, his name was Crooks!



18 Jan 2017 08:13:30
Yaser Kasim could do a job. Key man for Swindon, and one of our best signings came from Swindon, they usually have players with good potential, he'd be a freebie too.



18 Jan 2017 20:50:28
This was in the championship



18 Jan 2017 22:58:31
tomusa the ineptitude, seriously the signed joey barton for that role which no fault to anyone other than joey that didn't work out.
rossiter is injured and will be a great addition once fit again so they did cover that position but thing happened and its not their fault we don't have a lot of money to go and buy players that will fit in and do well in that position.

we all know u don't like the management but seriously its getting ridiculous now u blame them for literally anything that happens at our club.

truth is no one could do better with the money we have had



19 Jan 2017 10:25:10
James, you have made the wrong assumption that i don't like the management, (assuming of course that you are referring to Warburton and not King) .

I believe that Warburton is the best we could have got in the circumstances.

My issue and you should be well aware of this, is that we play Halliday in that role. I fully agree that Rossiter when fit will be a major asset, I, like many others would like to know exactly what is wrong with the boy and the perceived timescale for his return.

Personally I would not have got rid of Barton, I would have sorted both Barton and Halliday out, (we don't know what was said but we know that it was in the aftermath of a heavy defeat against our arch rivals; I would have been pretty pissed off after that result as well) .

I believe that Warburton identified the Holding / Defensive Midfield role as a position that needed filling which is why he initially tried to sign Eustace, unfortunately giving Halliday that jersey because there is no one else and he just happens to be a Rangers supporter is not the answer however and the team is suffering as a result.

I would not go so far as to say that no one could do better with the money he has had because I simply don't know but what I would say is that he has been let down badly by King if he was given the same promises that King made to the support!



17 Jan 2017 18:38:06
Did davie weir really say even 100 million wouldn't be enough to catch Celtic, because if he did that's the biggest bull ever, think about it, all rangers really need to do is beat the rest of the league and the Celtic games will take care of themselves lol



17 Jan 2017 19:31:28
If we build a team that is capable of being consistent and beating the other teams in the league we'd definitely be in with a shout, old firm gams do tend to take care of themselves. We can all see we are behind them but with some careful investment and strong leadership surely it's not too much to ask for us to beat the teams in the league?



17 Jan 2017 21:38:40
Cooler king you are correct Rangers should be beating other teams in the league as Rangers have more income than Aberdeen, Hearts etc. The problem is there is a 19 point gap already to Celtic so it's nothing to do with the old firm games looking at;ter themselves. What have the old firm games got to do with it? Do Rangers get 6 points in beating Celtic? It's about 40 games a season. You could lose 3 old firm games and still win the league. Rangers need a squad that can compete not 11 players that can compete. At the end of the season the gap with Celtic will be 25 to 30 points so all the talk about Rangers getting closer is bull****. It will take years if ever.



17 Jan 2017 21:56:39
If we had done the business against the other teams the gap wouldn't be what it is! Obviously! It definitely won't or shouldn't take the vast sums or time some people are quoted saying



17 Jan 2017 22:48:39
cooler king are you for real? The fact is that the gap is already 19 points and will be more by the end of the season. This season will be a record in points difference. I am telling you now, Dave King and his investors won't put any more money into Rangers after this season so forget about how much it would cost to bridge the gap, it's totally irrelevant no one is going to put any more money into Rangers. What is the point, never get the money back. So do you think people should give money to Rangers just to give fans a day out on a Saturday . Rangers need to pay off the loans, resolve the merchandising issue and then stabilise the club, not spend any money on players. Maybe needs to sell some players and get some money in. Once again spending more than they generate, so will go bust again.



18 Jan 2017 00:03:52
Johnnymac. we've dropped 6 points against Celtic! The rest of the points we've dropped and will continue to drop are against the rest, who are awful! Yeah I'm for real, no way should it take £100 million to beat Aberdeen, Hearts, Kilmarnock and the rest! I wasn't advocating spending big, the opposite in fact, we have a history of wasting money, I'm saying we spend wisely, run our affairs sensibly, coach and develop our own players, scout and recruit the correct players and staff and start consistently winning football games



18 Jan 2017 07:27:36
Spot on Coolerking, spot on!

What we are getting in return right now is nothing like what we deserve.

David Weird attitude on 100m is disturbing! Defeat has been accepted and that is just not good enough. I keep saying it. This management team are not good enough.



18 Jan 2017 10:20:22
Weir was a failure when he attempted management and I have seen nothing in our defence to suggest that he is a good defensive coach however Warburton seems to rate him and I am willing to give the latter a chance.



18 Jan 2017 10:48:47
GDog10

You've nailed one of the biggest problems at the club under Warburton and Weir where defeat is accepted especially against Celtic. It also seems to have been accepted by a number of fans on here. Won't be long till the management team will be coming out with "any points taken from Celtic will be a bonus"



18 Jan 2017 19:56:45
I agree, to win the league we only need to b better than the rest consistintly. there's bn years when both ourselves and selik haven't bn as good as the other and managed to win the title



18 Jan 2017 22:56:22
That was my whole point, to bridge the gap we need to beat the other teams in the league and doing this shouldn't cost the club a fortune



17 Jan 2017 16:54:04
i keep seeing fans say its not the defence that's bad its the midfield not offering enough protection or the strikers aren't converting enough chances etc for me the problem is the players we have can't do the basics i also doubt our players intelligence or common sense the amount of times we have came unstuck from playing from the back is unreal, our defenders don't pick up or track properly, our midfield are neither good going forward or good at defending, and our strikers/ wide players are incompetent at crossing or finishing, warbs uses the term 'using the squad' why hasn't dodoo been giving a run or o'halloaran through the middle is a mystery to me, i genuinely think we will struggle for 2nd this year



18 Jan 2017 20:00:36
Agree with most of that Gdawg, its unbelievable how some players can't do the basic things I. E like forrester not passing to dodoo against them, that doesn't take a £10m player to b able to do that, its just common sense. i think there's faults thru the full team not just the defence or midfield



17 Jan 2017 15:38:06
Rangers should sign Knox from Livingston instead of using the cash for another loan player. The 2 loan signings are good players but do we need a third loan signing? MW keen to secure another and develop relationships with prem team?! Go get Knox before it's another we talk about that we should have got for pennies.



17 Jan 2017 16:28:11
Knox was due to go for a third trial with Man Utd as reported by the media last month.
He is attracting interest from a few EPL clubs and Nottingham Forest.



17 Jan 2017 20:46:06
Cummings



17 Jan 2017 12:05:06
Been thinking about Jordan Rossiter recently and I have came to the conclusion that the boy just isn't being risked at this moment, the talent is there but I feel like we are holding him back right now for rehabilitation to try and make sure the injured that have plagued him do infact go away and let this young boy get his career really started, what do you other Guys think



17 Jan 2017 12:10:36
Part of his rehabilitation should be competetive gameplay. Otherwise how can the staff judge what stage he's at in terms of recovery. The fact he hasn't been involved says to me there's something more serious with his injury. Why there holding that information back from us is another story.



17 Jan 2017 12:18:50
honestly - I think we took a chance, Rossiter, Crooks and Windass all had injuries when we signed them - 1 has been posted missing 1 now out on loan, the other has only played half a dozen games. that's how we got them 'cheap', this together with guys over 35, is where we shop nowadays in the vain hope that 1 of them comes good.
Expect much of the same if ANYBODY comes in during the next few weeks unfortunately.



17 Jan 2017 12:25:33
Yeah I get that but that can also cause more injuries



17 Jan 2017 12:36:40
The boy Rossiter played the whole euro championships with England before he came to us. He captained them a few times. So why all of a sudden his injury shows up more serious than ever? Also a lack of information from the management ain't helping



17 Jan 2017 12:36:45
My point is you can do all the rehabilitation you want. But in terms of performance the only real way to gauge it is playing competitively. Something must have shown up that is stopping him from kicking a baw



17 Jan 2017 14:26:04
Got a feeling that if the club and fans have faith and loyalty in Jordan Rossiter he will repay as ten fold.

Odds were if he had a good/ great first season he'd be ofski at the first opportunity.

Think if we stand by the lad at this period in his career, he will stand by the club and bring us a decent amount of money in a few years time.

This season is a bit of a dead rubber anyway. Those who say a SC run is essential. We get Celtic away between now and the final, we're essential done for.

Second was what we wanted. Second is where we are. Aberdeen have a game in hand but have a feeling we'll be a strong second this year, way behind Them but ahead of the likes of Aberdeen and so on.



17 Jan 2017 14:30:29
Bil72 your incorrect, we didn't get them cheap because they were injured.



17 Jan 2017 14:41:02
There is obviously a lot more to the injury than was first claimed and I think it would help if the fans were told exactly what the problem is. Reminds me of the Templeton injury where it was said he wouldn't be out that long yet 18 months down the line he still isn't able to train with anyone



17 Jan 2017 14:43:13
I fully agree with Thorn76. We should be 100% behind Rossiter because the boy is quality and if he can resolve the injury problem that he has we will get ourselves a quality football player and a quality young lad as well.

He has had a number of injuries in his relatively short career including a Malleolar injury in 2015, a muscle fibre problem in late 2015, a Hamstring injury in the first half of 2016 and the latest, defined as a calf injury that has kept him out of the team most recently but no one has ever suggested that his playing career in in jeopardy and we need to remember that he went straight from playing for England right up to the semi finals of the Under 19's European Championship and then straight into playing for us without any close season.

We have no idea of what the training schedules are like at Liverpool or what the changes in dynamic would have been in him moving to us but what I do know is that if it takes this season to get him fit so he can be a mainstay next season I will accept that.

All I would ask is that we bring someone in either on loan or on a short term contract to take that holding midfield role at present because we have absolutely no one to play that role in his absence!



17 Jan 2017 15:02:58
Thorn what a ludicrous statement to make, "if u get celtic away", since when did you get an away draw in the cup lol.



17 Jan 2017 15:14:10
More negative speculation and conspiracies. The boy is injured and needs time to fully recuperate rather than risk further injuries.

You cannot recuperate during a high tempo match, only aggravate your injury even more - you can however gain match sharpness but only if you are fit enough in the first place!



17 Jan 2017 15:19:22
Think the reason we got him TBH was because of the worry about niggling injuries.

In all honesty 8 million or whatever the touted sum was for players going from English to English, is peanuts for any team, especially Tottenham who were after JR.

These are the chances you take at a club like Rangers. If we can get a couple of deals like Rossiter, Dodoo, Windass, Crooks and even lads like Bates and Jordan Thompson every season, then our club will be the better for it.

Added to players who are decent performers like McKay, Wallace, Foderingham, Hodson etc. The club will be solid going forward.

Bring in players with ability and experience like Krajncar and Barton and players we missed out on because of lack of European football like Mariappa and Espinoza, the club will be able to challenge the other side sooner than some fans might think.



17 Jan 2017 15:26:55
The rehab part is easily the most important and if done right then the player won't have persistent problems.

If you do muscle mass rehab then it works on reducing the recovery times and protects the problem area, i think with many players though you just don't know how bad the injury is and its a risk if you play them too early.



17 Jan 2017 16:35:29
Rossiter looked a class act when he played, so hopefully his injury problems will be solved as it would be good to see him in the DM role this season.



17 Jan 2017 18:20:12
Kilmarnock Rayman, the same round your lot got an away tie.



17 Jan 2017 18:38:14
Think there's a few paranoid conspiracy theorists out there. Is it not more likely that we signed him, he got injured and has picked up another couple of injuries when trying to get fit?



17 Jan 2017 18:47:33
Bluedie

Was that not a reply after drawing 0-0 at Ibrox?



17 Jan 2017 23:25:29
But there's the rub, Thorn76, you mentioned ten players and only three are regular starters.



17 Jan 2017 11:56:03
I think we should take heed of an article in the paper last week where one of Fergus McCans financial men, he suggested the only way Rangers can improve is to settle the fued between King and Ashley with maybe King having to resign from the chair, this would allow a new deal between Rangers AND SPORT DIRECT, he also said it could maybe let them invite a new chairman, and he suggested money man Kennedy, this is from some one who has helped rescue another big Glasgow club who were about to fold



17 Jan 2017 13:23:13
Not a bad suggestion but it looks as though the fued is way beyond any kind of compromise



17 Jan 2017 14:47:04
A good call, Kennedy would be an interesting choice. Unfortunately I tend to agree with Stewie25 that this is no longer about Rangers and Sports Direct. This is a personal battle between King and Ashley. Would Ashley see it as a victory if King resigned as part of a satisfactory solution for Rangers in the deal, if he was willing to negotiate then I suspect yes. Would King agree to step down for the good of the Club. I will leave that to others to decide.

At least he might come out of it as some kind of Martyr!



17 Jan 2017 15:21:04
I think Ashley would accept kings resignation from the board and then continue to screw the club for every penny he can get. Just the kind of man he he is in my opinion.



17 Jan 2017 15:41:06
Camoo

Would totally agree about Ashley this man has been shown to be contemptible and has treated his employees with contempt. His work practices are disgraceful and he is only interested in lining his own pockets. This man who quite happily go back to the days of slavery to fatten his wallet. Truly horrible individual



17 Jan 2017 18:12:08
stewie25. best reply of the day could not have put it better myself about fatty, he has no scruples, a bottom feeder



17 Jan 2017 17:48:03
Yes stewie25, your right mate this feud is way beyond repair! Its our club that's suffering because of this personal dave king V mike ashley row, with none of them prepared to back down. Blacknessgaffer's original post is bang on the money! We may need to put the club first, which should always be the case anyway, by changing dave king as chairman if this is going to help our club in the long run! IMO brian kennedy would be a fantastic choice to possibly replace king as chairman. He's got a terrific business head on him, and a bit of dough of course! Then we may have the chance to negotiate a much better deal, for rangers, with sports direct and puma! It may be the only way otherwise we're left in limbo with this deal for another 5 years yet!



17 Jan 2017 16:52:54
Green made that deal with Ashley and king is the guy trying to get us out of this deal which is way too lucrative for Ashley say to anyone aye okay just rip it up and start with one that won't make me as much money.

he is trying to get us out of that deal with the Ashley for the benefit of rangers and himself in the long run. he will invest in the team just not while the Ashley is about and its Ashley that is making us shop in these lower leagues and on loan players not king and co.

king and co were the ones to save this club and are still trying to get rid of all the bad stuff that was left behind by the old regime. what do you think?



17 Jan 2017 11:02:37
Feel sorry for the boy Gilmour, he's obviously a great talent if clubs as big as Chelsea, man Utd etc are looking at him.
But, he'd be daft not to be interested in these sort of offers because at the end of the day everyone wants to play at the top level with the best players in the best competitions. And the small fact he'll be earning £10,000 a week which is big money for a 16 year old.
The only thing I would say to him is look at the likes of Danny Wilson, Islam Feruz these guys jumped at the chance to move down south early on in there careers and have they turned out to become the players they thought they'd be? No.
The best way to develop for him would be stay at Rangers, potentially go out on loan for a season or two and then if he's good enough feed him into the first team. As much as I can't stand them, look accross the city and look at Teirney, he's good enough for the first team and is one of the most promising left backs in the world.

Hope the boy see's sense and decides to stay for a while.

What's everyone elses thoughts?



17 Jan 2017 11:54:19
Can we get a source for this 10k a week chat?



17 Jan 2017 14:48:46
If he is16 and good enough why on earth would he go out on loan from Rangers. Surely he should go straight into the first team just as Derek Johnstone did as a 16 year old. It is not as if we are full of super stars in our current midfield!



17 Jan 2017 16:07:31
Granted, but it's changed days now. I'm pretty sure he won't be good enough just yet, so i'd prefer to see him get regular first team football in the lower leagues. Besides it would put a few hairs on his chest.



17 Jan 2017 16:32:01
For me football is almost finished, it's more of a business now than ever, with players only interested in the money and not the glamour of winning trophies. We have the EPL and Sky to thank for that as well as other matters. Now that China are going bonkers the arse is falling out of it all. I hope the lad stays for the right reasons and wants to become a footballer not worry about his pension.



16 Jan 2017 23:07:55
Can I ask a serious question, who wants warburton sacked. who would they replace him with, considering there's still no money to spend.
I think warburton will make rangers great again but it will only happen when we get rid of Ashley and co, but unfortunately he might not be here when we finally do get rid of Ashley's mob.



17 Jan 2017 10:20:55
the man is doing wonders for the money he has at his disposal. Reconstructed our youth, scouting and first team, what more do people want? We aren't the quite the same old Rangers who can spend on players. We are at a massive loss per year and yet we are still on target to finish with a European spot. not bad at all.



17 Jan 2017 10:24:31
duke st i want warburton to suceed badly but the man keeps on shooting himself in the foot his poor signing policy and his stubborness to change formation and poor choice of starting players and not blooding any youth but let's all be realistic here the guys got a couple of years left on his contract and we can't afford to get rid so i just hope he comes good



17 Jan 2017 10:56:56
Guys I would love MW to succeed at rangers but his stubbornness not to change formation and style will be his downfall. You also now come 60 minutes you know what subs are coming on long before it happens.



17 Jan 2017 11:33:50
The reason I am still not sticking by him is the lack of options he creates in the team. One formation, no matter if we are losing or winning. Garner is crying out for a strike partner but he will never get one. The barton episode. The purchase of players well past there best. Defending players even though its obvious they can't cut it, and again the formation. A good manager would find the best way to play his players, not force them into a formation that doesn't work for the quality you have.
I am not saying however it won't come good in the end, If he had our teams of old, it would be amazing to watch, but he doesn't and never will.



17 Jan 2017 13:06:05
warburton has got to find a formation and style of play that suits the players and leauge not what suits himself even the best managers in the world have to adapt there formations and style of play to suit the leauge and oponents they are up against on a game to game basis like fintytint said above garner needs a strike partner we can not realy on miller for ever and for me waghorn has had enough chances i would personaly
like to see a parternship of garner and doodoo



17 Jan 2017 13:49:33
Onlyshow

Can you actually produce proof of these wonders you talk about?

He has been in charge 18 months with the second biggest budget yet we are no better than Aberdeen or Hearts both who have went backwards from last season.

You mention the scouting however how many of the players that have been signed have actually been successful?


The youth team aren't doing very well in the u20s league and even if there is improvement it will take around 5 years to say if he was successful

The team doesn't score enough, concedes too many and he regularly plays players who can't do the basics

We have played 28 games and only scored 28 goals while conceding 21. No Rangers player is in the top 10 league scorers. When was the last time we had statistics like that?

He has spent £1.8m on a non scoring striker, £500k on a winger he refuses to play and still persists with players like Kiernan and Tavernier who can't defend. Halliday and Holt have done very little in midfield but seem to be automatic picks. Sorry but if you think that's working wonders then heaven help us



17 Jan 2017 14:53:10
The simple fact we have no money and are picking up free agents or players worth 65k I think we are doing pretty well Stewie. Again we are picking up players for 65k and are sat second, that to me is good scouting. yeah sure not every transfer has been successful, did you expect 9/ 10 to be perfect?

U20's are made up of younger lads as most of our under 20's are on loan or have been let go.

At a team like Rangers you will have to pay big wages, It doesn't matter who you are going for you are Rangers, big name, big club, unfortunately big wages.



17 Jan 2017 14:56:38
Personally I would rather we stuck with him for another season to see what he is capable of doing with players like Rossiter for, (please God) . I don't like the fact that he appears to have favourites that are undroppable but sadly every manager appears to have these and I am frustrated that after 18 months we do not have a fit defensive / holding midfield player on our books but equally I acknowledge that he has not had an abundance of funds to spend and I remain unconvinced that Barton was his signing!

I would ask one serious question, if he was to go, who would we bring in. They would have to be a quality manager with a serious CV so that rules out all of the managers in Scotland, (since we are not going to get Brendan Rodgers)! So who would we get. Perhaps a top manager from the EPL, pray tell me who, I don't see us being able to afford Mourinho or the current Liverpool or Everton Manager, and any big name will expect a transfer budget to sign his own players and let's be honest, if you were manager of Rangers how many of the current squad would you want to keep!



17 Jan 2017 15:24:32
Onlyshow

How then did the manager spend over £3m on players since last January if we have no money

Why did he bring in players like Barton and Kranjcar on big wages if we have no money?

Would you concede he has had a far bigger budget than Aberdeen and Hearts yet we aren't much better either?

You still failed to answer the points I raised about the lack of goal threat, lack of creativity and inability to defend?

Or do you think Warburton has done a good job in those areas? Are you not concerned that we don't have a striker who will score 20 goals while teams like Motherwell, Ross County and Hearts have. Callum Patterson has scored more league goals than any of our strikers



17 Jan 2017 15:27:32
We are struggling for second place at the moment I think its a risk for the manager to blood youngsters into the team at the moment. If he does and it works he gets all the praise in the world. If it doesn't work and we loose second its the youngsters fault, they get boo'd as they are not performing well enough. He has to protect them and think of their best interests too. and its not as if we have been 3-0 up at half time to bring any on either.



17 Jan 2017 16:42:10
I would accept his resignation tomorrow and the resignation of the board. We need innovative thinking and a board with ideas in how to make our club reborn.

Yes there are issues, however for me Ashley is not holding us back as much as is made out ( my opinion, I have no facts obviously ) .

I would have kept McCall for the first season or two in the PL, sorted out the scouting then taken stock of our situation. We will always be mediocre with our current approach.

Having said all that I hope Warburton secures second and convincingly. If not he must go.



17 Jan 2017 18:15:46
Camoo, I don't think anybody's suggesting we flood the team with untried kids, but surely it would benefit the team if, for instance, Burt was given a couple of full games or even introduced more often as a substitute instead of the tried and failed brigade the manager seems to favour?



17 Jan 2017 14:33:27
Duke. st loyal, your a man after my own heart! Totally in agreement with you here mate!



17 Jan 2017 18:36:29
Wee-ecky, Spot on mate it's hard to see how Burt could be worse than Holt and even at his age surely he is worth a few more substitute appearances.



17 Jan 2017 15:20:15
Queens 11, he's sticking with his formation rigidly, and i applaud him for it as he totally believes in his philosophy! Sure its not functioning just now the way it should be, but over time and by getting better players in to carry out his style of football, it will imo come to fruition! Not every transfer works in football and as sir alex ferguson once said if you can get over half your signings right you are doing well! Warbs has also been very unlucky with injuries and the joey barton fiasco! A little patience my friend!



17 Jan 2017 17:39:07
Can't agree more stewie25, very well said. However I hope warbs does succeed. I hope he realises sooner than later that certain players and tactics just won't do. The games at home v hearts and aberdeen were much more like it, then it starts to go wrong again. I know I have said this until am blue in the face. Hodson in these games, 1 goal 1 man of the match. Then he gets dropped. Wtf!



17 Jan 2017 17:26:20
TOMUSA, that's the thing mate, with next to no money to spend you ain't going to get a big name manager with pedigree! Anyway i'm right behind mark warburton and given time i think our full playing side, all the way through, will be rebuilt to our satisfaction! His philosophy is good and he'll eventually get the correct players to play his, pleasing on the eye, attacking brand of football. Warbs IMO is exactly what we need in a manager just now!



17 Jan 2017 18:49:32
Supercoop

Have you ever visited the planet earth?



18 Jan 2017 23:57:57
stewie over 3 million in 18 months and u think that's us spending big what did u expect for 3 million especially when some of them have not worked out which happens under every manager everywhere.

u say 3 million but 1.8 of that was on one player who hasn't done too well in my opinion. but buying players at 1.8 from down south s pointless as anyone with a real bit of talent is worth ten million or more its just the money they have down there.

unfortunitly we can't afford to keep up with celtic and i'd say after the first ten games we have been getting better.

warbs deserves to see out his contract and he should have the full support of the fans as all this negativity and shouts for the manager to be sacked do nothing other than harm the players confidence in the man and i'd say all the negative nelly's out there are doing more harm to our club than good



17 Jan 2017 09:14:38
I've read Davie Weir's interview in today's Daily Record. He states that Mark Warburton has an eye for youth and developing them then selling them on. Why then won't he give our own youth a chance? I can hear the anti-youth brigade moaning again but what, I ask, do you have against Warburton blooding some of our own kids? Some of Warburton's buys have been questionable to say the least and none of them ever seem to be fit! Crooks is out on loan and so is Hardie. Waghorn was good in the Championship but so far hasn't shown he has made the step up in level.



17 Jan 2017 10:21:49
Doiger, what youth would you give a chance to and why?



17 Jan 2017 10:31:54
I think we need to trust warburton and if he feels our youth players are ready and capable then they will be given a chance. i'd love to see our own lads get a chance but they need to be worthy. remember warbs and davie do attend development games and training of development squad as they are not like previous coaches.



17 Jan 2017 10:40:45
Hardie and Thompson are out on loan to Championship teams to prove their worth and they're doing ok, but not enough to suggest they'd be good enough for the first team when every game is crucial. Burt and Gilmour too young/ physically not developed enough for first team. If they were better than what we've got, they'd be in the team.



17 Jan 2017 11:07:02
only show why have a 10 million pound complex like murray park if your not going to even give a couple of guys the last 10 or 15 minutes in games build there confidence and give them a run out in front of 50 000 bears



17 Jan 2017 11:20:04
Dodger

We would all like to see youth players given a chance.
Liam Burt and David Bates are probably the most likely to be integrated into the first team squad but can you think of any other players?
The priority this season in my opinion is to secure 2nd in the league which will give us European football next season and hopefully we have a good run in the Scottish Cup.



17 Jan 2017 11:31:43
What a load of absolute tosh some people are writing about our youth players. I say again that Everton played an 18 year-old and a 19 year-old on Sunday against Man City and look what they did! If you are good enough you are old enough. How long do these 'youth' players stay out on loan? 10 years? Burt has been with Rangers for some time now. I've advocated before giving Burt and Hardie in particular a run in the first team squad. Goodness me, given some of the inept performances from so-called experienced players like Halliday, Kiernan, Waghorn and others how could they be worse! We might just unearth another star if we give youth a chance. Mackay has proved the young players can break through as he is arguably our most creative player now.



17 Jan 2017 11:57:58
Queens11, Murray park is a training facility not a youth facility. Doiger, Mckay was great on loan, our current bunch who are on loan aren't doing that good, except from Kelly.



17 Jan 2017 12:27:21
DOIGER I notice the development game this week we will be playing guys as young as fifteen against Celtic who will be playing some of their fringe players I would love to see a bunch of young players in the squad but the cowboys who were in charge of our club prior to this board all but shut down Murray Park the decent young players we had left we had to start from scratch it will take time to see these guys come through some will not make it we need to accept where we are it will be a slow journey back there is no sugar daddy ready to plough in a fortune the board we have now have already put in over £20 mill we run at a loss so they will have to put in more the fear of them reaching ten in a row is adding pressure we may just have to accept it we are miles behind we need to get second if we do its progress at least then we can build but what we can't do is depend on potential good young kids their time will come if they are good enough



17 Jan 2017 14:01:11
Onlyshow - where did McKay do "great on loan"?

He played a combination of 41 games for Morton and Raith, scoring a total of 4 goals with ten assists.
Hardly great reading.

I do believe that age is only a number, IF the player is ready: Danny Wilson, Barry Ferguson, Alan Hutton, Chris Burke, Rhys McCabe, Jamie Ness, Gregg Wylde - these players (playing in a better team albeit - were ready, and more importantly were good enough. I haven't seen an awful lot of our Unders games this season, but surely, if they were good enough, they would progress.



17 Jan 2017 14:14:53
Derek johnstone Derek Ferguson Billy Davies were all 16 when they broke through.



17 Jan 2017 14:20:32
Burke? McCabe? Ness? Wylde? These guys were never good enough! Does anyone honestly think any of our current youth are good enough?! Seriously! And if they were why would the management even hesitate and not put them in?



17 Jan 2017 14:22:07
How's Hardie doing at St. Mirren?



17 Jan 2017 14:47:30
The cooler king

He is on loan at Raith Rovers however at St Mirren he struggled along with the rest of the side



17 Jan 2017 14:56:46
Would you put him into our starting 11? Would anyone on here?



17 Jan 2017 15:03:21
It is quite an inducement if we are saying that none of our youth are good enough to be given a chance for the first team because I for one can think of three or four of our first team squad that are abysmally poor in this league. Surely young Burke warrants an opportunity as does the young lad from Raith Rovers and when he is sixteen I would like to see Gibson drafted into the first team squad as well.

I just cannot believe that we do not have better youngsters with more potential on our books than Halliday Holt and Kiernan although at least Hold does have age on his side and with the right coaching he might improve.



17 Jan 2017 15:52:29
Coolerking:

Jamie Ness played really well, granted, next to better players, and in my opinion was better than Macleod - as was McCabe. Burke only struggled due to injury and illness - he is probably the last out and out winger that we have had that can turn, dribble and cross.

We simply don't have youth players pushing hard enough and knocking on the door which is a pretty damning statement for Murray Park and its staff that the last decent player we produced was Lewis Macleod.



17 Jan 2017 16:52:01
I agree we don't have the youth players ready to break into the team like Ferguson or button did



 
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