Rangers Banter Archive May 17 2012

17 May 2012 23:44:46
A year after Celtic complain about sfa being against them they clean the board for Scottish awards, manager of the year, player of the year, young played of the year, fair play award and with Gers getting hit with every punishment pos you've got to wonder wot kind of say peter lawwell has! Gman

YOUR A JOKE! did you watch this season, there was no better manager(15points behind made back in no time, record clean sheet and it just gos on) player of the year there was only one choice for Mulgrew won awards from all over, young player because we have a youth squad that is the best and forest wanted by all teams, fair play award because we are always near the bottom for...get this....we play CLEAN football, where are yous ranked ooo right at the top only 4 off, stop being a cheating team and focus on being an actual club with a good youth team and you may win somthing some day. can you not notice and say well done to a club that is runned well, sounds more of jelousy and anger that your club cant be like a true club like Celtic(and if you disagree, why is it Celtic keep getting invited to prestige tounaments(ex:next generation) and yous are not but want to? one of many questions to add to the list)
AJ at top of spl and let you get away with this whole scam, what until that starts getting looked at. GROW UP, cause you sound paranoid, but i guess that would be different paranoia then what you accuse of all Celtic ppl eh

Oh dear, another one.
Yes you've rumbled it as well. It was all a put up job. Rangers don't owe any money and are completely innocent. It was Celtic who ran up all the debts and the sfa have blamed rangers because they all support Celtic. The sfa then kidnapped the families of all the players and press etc who vote for players of thé year until they agreed to vote for celtic staff. Thé 2 lords in chargé of rangers case with sfa are in on it too. That only leaves Barack Obama who is flying in next week to see if he can get rangers punished further. If you play Scotland world cup songs backwards they all say 'lets get rangers, especially sandy Jardine he's the clever one'

They got them awards becouse they were the best in ther section voted by other players and writers o,or is it only rangers you watch if so thats why you didnt see them earn these tropheys im a tim from england and watch any game in the spl and personly think they got it bang on celtic and dundee untd rangers motherwell were by far suppererto the rest and celtic were the best of them what a horrible thing this is becomming the hatred holds no bounds i feel sorry for you and those who think like ya

Ballroot springs too mind. the sfa spl hmrc ticketus and celtic didnt encourage you to cheat and live beyond your means. wake up and smell the coffee. am getting sick of the bears crying for pity and sympothy or saying the league wont live without yous lets go too div 3 and then climb back into the league we cheated in and tried to bankrupt but i hope alot off the teams that didnt support us have gone to the wall.." it wasnt us we did nothing wrong".

Clown,Celtic got the awards cos they won the league,Rangers got the punishments cause they cheated ,has that explained everything for you?

Agree with everything you said up until, Rangers cheated. You have a crystal ball or something

Walter smith won a double and got to Europa league last 16 last year and never won manager of the year, Lenny wins a tainted title, does nothing in Europe, blows league cup, blows Scottish cup and blows the chance to win league at ibrox, do you really think he deserves manager of the year? Deluded.

Wat a plonker all celtics fault as per

17 May 2012 21:46:49
so the grreat debate about Rangers buying players that they couldnt pay for and winning championships and haveing a huge Debt , what about Man Utd , Liverpool etc they have hundreds of millions of Debt so Did ManUtd cheat to win league titles with players they couldnt afford.where is the Difference, {Ed014's Note - They can pay their debt.That is the difference.It is basic common sense.

If they default on payments then yes they will be looked at

100% correct ed , tried explaining this to Rangers fans i work with.......Stevie

The club was paying their debt no problem , one man decided not to pay the bills , no one crook and everyone knows it {Ed014's Note - If the club was paying it's debt the bank wouldn't have forced a sale wanting their money back.It's not all Whyte's fault.

Rangers were paying their debt; it was reduced by £30 million to £18 million within a couple of years. Lloyds man on the board was meeting his targets. The reason Lloyds forced the sale of Rangers is because they wanted their money back quickly because SDMs businesses had £700million of debt with them so they did not deem him security on Rangers debts the way he previously was. Funny how one man and a bank have caused so many problems, just like the economy on a much smaller scale.

GovanFR {Ed014's Note - Having a Lloyd's man on the board tells you there was problems.Rangers fans that think this is all Whyte's fault are deluding themselves.

@Ed014 Lloyds forced the sale of Rangers not cause of the debt of the club but that of MIH who were owed £500m at the time.

Rangers paid back almost 14m of debt in the space of 18 months and would have paid back more this season if ran the right way.

Whyte ran up £40m new debt in the space of 9 months, it was his fault. {Ed014's Note - If you honestly think that Rangers are in this mess after only 9 months you are mistaken.What debts didn't get paid while David Murray was paying the bank debt?

It is not Whytes fault entirely, SDM takes a large part of the blame of course. The reason no serious buyer would come forward was the BTC which was a massive uncertainty. Murray is responsible in the sense he got Rangers into a position where the bank was running the club (which is more down to his other businesses massive debts than Rangers debt which was not that high for a football club). The bank running the club lead to the forced sale to Whyte who asset stripped and didn't pay bills thus racking up a load of debt and then putting Rangers into administration.

GovanFR

Why can't rangers supporters see what's gone on here ?
David Murray had access to tons of money through ih

@3 craig white used the money to pay the bank. are all rangers fans emus

The difference is they can pay their debts whingers wont but then again they dont do walking away or do they eg cva. pay your debts or get used to be known as cheats

Ed 14 no they cant pay there debt thats why it keeps getting bigger difference is nobody has started chasing them for it yet and i thought u eds were suposed to be clever. {Ed014's Note - Manchester Utds debt is falling every year.It shows who the clever one is if you are even comparing Rangers to any other teams debts,all three have different business models but which club is in administration?

@7 why cant the rest of u see that murray put no money into rangers since about 2001 and took about 100 mil out of rangers to try and save MIH that is the truth and the sooner it is proven the better.

Ed14 r u tripping their debts falling lol thats funny wait till they have to go spend a shed load 2 try and keep up with city like i said thought u eds were supposed 2 be clever deary me. {Ed001's Note - are you for real? United won't spend to keep up, they are reducing their debt so that they can float the club on the stock exchange. There will be no spending beyond their means, they quite simply can't because of conditions attached to some of the debt they already have. Before trying to make yourself seem smart, you should take stock and realise that you aren't. In future don't comment on things clearly way over your head.}

Yes im for real they better hurry up and float it then because if they aint going to spend to keep up with city and they dont win PREM or they get knocked out of CL at group stages again there value will fall quite abit. {Ed001's Note - and? It will still be a hugely valuable club. What is your point? Apart from being extremely bitter that is.}

OK IM STUPID what a id--t i am how dare i disagree with u eds.But here goes i will have another go with my lack of intelligence.Man u r 500mil in debt in bonds that have to be paid back in full in seven years.Also the most expensive debt in the premier league is the 200mil in so called kind notes which the glazier family took out in 2005 with the interest raising to 16.5 per cent with full repayment due in 2017.So let me have a wee think here with my limited intelligence that means man u have about 900mil worth of debt to be paid in the next 7 years.Yep but obviously there debt is falling every year. {Ed001's Note - you do realise that they have been paying back bits of the debt don't you? Clearly lacking anything but a petty minded stupidity and refusal to accept the truth.}

Whats bitter about that its the fact of life man u were not always the biggest club in england and many people support man u because of there sucess if another team become more dominant interest in united will fall therefore so will the value honestly tell me whats bitter about that.?? {Ed001's Note - United became the biggest club in England on the back of the Munich Disaster, nothing to do with success. That is a falsehood. They were relegated in 1974 and their gates went up. As a Liverpool fan, I would love to say they were just a bunch of glory hunters following them, but it simply isn't true. They worked their way into people's hearts, and they have kept themselves there. They will always be amongst the biggest clubs, even if they stop winning.}

Im not saying the ordinary man on the street wont still like united.What am saying is if man u aint as successful in future years they wont be worth as much as is the case with any bussiness when your doing well your worth more than u r when u aint doing well.

You do know that what i am saying is that man u in 2012 are 500mil in debt plus whatever is still to be paid back from the so called kind notes add on the interest it is still a very big amount.I am not making this up it was a story in the independent on how much teams in the premier are in debt.This report was done after portsmouth went into adminastration to highlight the worrying amount of debt owed by all clubs in englands top flight.So please stop insulting me by calling me stupid what i typed is 100%correct and beleive me i have no problem accepting the truth. {Ed004's Note - And how many years ago was that report done? United paid back the banks by taking out Bonds at a lower interest rate... United assets are worth more than their liabilities and are in a safe position. We have 100 million + in the bank (from previous figures the new figures haven't been released but apparently money was spent on reducing the bonds). Currently we have 350 (I think, might be slightly more) million worth in bonds to pay back and that is not taking into consideration the 100 million in the bank. We make 50 + million a year easily and are finances are continually rising year on year. We do not miss any payments that have to be made, while still being able to invest in our squad through the money we have raised ourselves and we can cover our own interest payments. The PIK debt you are talking about that you clearly don't understand is nothing to do with United anymore. It is in the Glazers own business. I suspect they will float United onto the Stock Exchange to clear the bonds.}

17 May 2012 21:22:10
Let's get this rite I've been going to ibrox all my life... Scottish football is shocking now with this embargo in place it's gonna be 30 times worse... The standard of football is terrible , the grounds are falling apart .. The support from all the teams are pure crap apart from the old firm... Bad times

Ok lets just ignore all our teams shocking criminal acts ,forgive and forget, cause our soccerball's sh#t and will only get s**tt#r if sanctions imposed. time to say sorry,please forgive us,take our punishment and come back new and honourable.

Aw you poor wee soul, lets get this rite, what your saying is it's my baw and i'm no playin anymore.....Stevie

The only way to improve Scottish football is to bring through young players and this is the ideal time. Sure the next few years will be tough but the whole system has needed a shakeup for years lets see how people respond. Oh and I don't think the stadiums are that bad, you obviously don't remember the bad old days.
DB77

Yeah anybody remember the dust clouds at hampden from the wooden and ash terraces. Toilets with no roofs. Rangers living within their means.

30 times worse you say? Well it's nice to know someone has done the maths. It's just as well it wasn't an 18 month ban or the SPL would be 45 times worse. Or the more extreme 2 year ban. Then the SPL would be 60 times worse in which case we'd all be playing with cabbages wrapped in a T-Shirt, on a dog poo-strewn public park. God bless the lenient SFA then.

Me Here.

Please ! Can we get over our own arrogance? Yes, no Rangers in the SPL will be a blow to Scottish football but to say that the league will die is just over the top. As much as it pains me to say it, Lawell is right. Celtic and the rest of Scottish fitba will get along just fine without us. It would get along without Celtic too if the tables were reversed. No money in the league means no money period. Old Firm or not. Wake up

17 May 2012 21:16:14
can Rangers sign amateur players over 17 if so then Gattusso could register as an amateur player and rangers fans trust could sponsor his boots. im sure all fans at home games would pay a pound to the trust which would give Rino a respectable salary, best part Rangers would not have to pay taxon his wages.

Rangers can sign anyone they like but can't register anyone over 18.

You cant register players! My god can you people read?...........green jhedi

I'm no expert but didn't Dundee register an experienced pro as an amateur whilst in admin? Or is it just move the goal posts for the Rangers again?
GVanW

@3;were dundee banned from registering? Jeeze.Try and keep up

How mental is this one ?

17 May 2012 20:21:24
All sensible Rangers fans would welcome punishment to allow us to move on and start a clean slate. However I think most would rather drop to div 3 and climb back up with a team full of youth, build up their experience and either sell them on or keep as the back bone of a fine Rangers team, rather than see us struggle in the SPL and face probable relegation with this transfer embargo. It seems the powers that be want us in the SPL for the cash but want us humiliated! Why a transfer embargo? Makes us less attractive to buy, stops the spread of any new owners money around the league. Daft. Why not a points deduction? Because it allows us to compete! This is all about watching us squirm, no more no less! Punish us but let us function as a club. if not, fug 'em and head for div 3...
BB

Dont you think an embargo is fair while you owe millions in football debt?......green jhedi

@1 what was the transfer embargo for?

17 May 2012 19:54:40
Everton fan here, We have been linked with steven Naismith recently (Which I'm guessing your anything but happy about) but I haven't seen him much, Just how good is he? would you say he has anything on Jellyman or?... Anyway good look for next season and with everything going on at your club at the moment, always have liked you'se better than Celtic at least anyway...
Toffeepidge

Enjoy Jelavic while you can, he'll throw the toys out the pram come the next transfer window when he gets to big for his boots again.

Alright mate naisy is a cracking wee player really came good past year minus injury, he is a born bred bear though so i think if there is a chance to stay he will.... but jelly hasnt done that bad eh....
craig+babybear

I think Naismith injury was a huge blow last year, I thought he really was beginning to be the star man, he has a great habit of finding excellent positions and was playing really well when injured.
I posted on your site the day you signed Jelavic whe your fans were saying some dud in the spl? I told them then that you were signing a top class player far better than any forward you had on your books, I remember being crucified on your site.
Anyway I don't see naisy leaving now that we can't sign anybody, and frankly he has the ability to play at a higher level than Everton

@3: if he can play at a higher level and a club in Europe comes in for him, offering £40k a week, he'll be away.

Thanks mate, I'm not worried about Jelavic leaving, i'm sure we'l keep him for atleast another season yet (and if things go well we could challenge for top 4 with him). but if he does go he will go for absolutely ridiculous money anyway, you know what EPL clubs are like! Neisy must be class if you believe he can play higher level than Everton though, remember we only finished behind Chelsea and there in an CL final, I do hope we get him. For the record I was saying we should get Jelavic for years so I was delighted when he finally did sign!
Cheers,
Toffeepidge

17 May 2012 19:36:45
Great to see the so called Rangers fans supporters clubs will actually be causing more damage to their club with their own incompetent actions! Mr Kerr is requesting that Rangers best Scottish players should boycott Internationals…… Well done, do you honestly expect McGregor, Naismith, Whittaker etc will want to actually stay at the club after Jun 1st now that they know pressure is being applied to effectively retire from Scotland. These players love their country arguably more than their club!! All your doing is driving them away at a time you need them most…….Honestly, Buffoons!!

If any of these players are picked for the team GB what would the sfa do then .?

How sad is your club and your supporters, you give Celtic ppl a hard time for showing support for Ireland and say if you love it go back to it.....now you are saying to your own Scottish players to not go in the internationl team, all this beccause your club did wrong doings and cheated! your club brought it on yourselves and your support does not help your situation at all. i think the players have more love for thier country then that of a cheating dodgy club as yours

17 May 2012 19:28:18
If the transfer ban is considered a fair punishment then we should take it, ask for relegation and move on. My problem with it though is no other club who entered administration, in some cases twice in the space of a few years, was punished to the same extent. Give us the same punishment as Livingston and make it fair, don't make it up a you go along, that is what is causing the moaning. No one expected to be let off scot free just fairness and the same punishment as other clubs, but I realise that was too much to expect from Liewell's pal at the SFA.

Liewell again - what's he lied about? Surely your club and representatives have lied to you more than he has? Are you jealous that his club is run well and yours is still on the brink? So jealous that you have to resort to childish and inaccurate name-calling.

The fact is no other club has acted in the way your clb has, it is a special case and it is because it is the biggest scam in history.
you dont like PL cause you wish yous had him,and what about AJ your former director running things in spl eh, does he not have a strong position in spl, yes, could he have been helping your club all these years? im sure we will find out soon enough

I smell a leggat reader here,which says a lot about you im afraid.........green jhedi

17 May 2012 19:21:18
The new name for sfa should be cfcfa. We (Rangers) should refuse to play nxt season because it looks like they want to Finnish us. A message to sfa nd celcrap screw you cause if we survive justice will be ours nd we will make u all pay that with whyte nd Murray aswell

You think the SFA want to make Rangers play in Finland?

" screw you cause if we survive justice will be ours"

You will not survive , that is REAL justice .

jimi88

Dear me,what a troubled mind you must have.........green jhedi

To the 1st reply superb!

So then they should sswich the spl name to rspl for you have AJ at the top of spl and they are trying everything they can do to keep you in.
so you say whyte and murray are guilty yet your club is not? tht makes no sence because murray ran yous for 20 years. aand so f everyone, well dont worry because hopefully justice is served and your clubs is finished and out....i would like to see them be around but ppl like you are the reason why more and more dislike yous and more and more want yous gone.

Oh my god!! This simply has to be the most illiterate, misinformed piece of sh@t I've ever read on this page. So many errors to pick in it. What doesn't surprise me is the 'have a go at Celtic' sentiment that is clear from the very start. I'm not saying that Celtic don't want to see justice done but also other clubs, other fans and basically everyone who doesn't support Rangers (and even a few Rangers fans want to see justice done). The majority of Celtic fans do want to see the club punished as they deserve it. You also need to remember that Celtic fans carry a huge sway in this opinion as they are the other big club in Glasgow. Just like the Rangers fans believe they are big enough to start boycotts that will wreck our league please keep in mind we hold a bigger support.

17 May 2012 18:36:56
So Rangers have been fined. Who is going to fine the SFA for not checking CW was a fit and proper person? If they had of checked then this would not have happened in the first place. I think this is a fair point i have raised here it would be good if FIFA fined the SFA for not being fit and proper to run the SPL.

Not Arguing that the SFA are not fit and proper to run really anything, but they don't run the SPL that is run by the member clubs hence why if a newco comes to be it is up to the SPL if they play in the SPL and not the SFA.

It was never the job of the SFA to do this - there isn't a test like there is in England and it's up to the clubs to do it, although Rangers obviously didn't do it very well.

1903

Not Arguing that the SFA are not fit and proper to run really anything, but they don't run the SPL that is run by the member clubs hence why if a newco comes to be it is up to the SPL if they play in the SPL and not the SFA.

It was never the job of the SFA to do this - there isn't a test like there is in England and it's up to the clubs to do it, although Rangers obviously didn't do it very well.

1903

The SFA are the main footballing body in Scotland. The SPL must be registered with the SFA to operate and must meet their rules along with UEFA and FIFA's rules. If the SPL was not registered with SFA none of the teams would be playing in Europe.
Each club in the SPL must be registered with the SFA to play in the SPL and also to play in the SFA tourney - the Cups, and obviously the SPL allows a team to be promoted if they meet the requirements of the SPL.
This one is completely seperate from the other is b*llocks.

17 May 2012 18:14:28
Admins not been posting for me recently but I'll give it another go. Does no one else think we should just accept the embargo and get on with things?
This gives us a chance to give our youth players some game time and experience which is what they need. I also believe that as long as we retain players like McGregor Naismith and Aluko we can still finish comfortably 2nd at least.
What do you all think of this?

I do - completely - we are being criticised from all fronts for wanting special treatment - as an excuse "a big boy done it and ran away" does not wash - we have to suck up the punishments quietly and with dignity then come back in whatever form stronger and better - this club WILL succeed just a matter of when - remember the tradition, anything else is cheap and wrong

17 May 2012 17:57:45
Think we should just accept what the SFA have to say and start looking forward, i know its hard to accept and i dont agree with the transfer embargo, we're needing to look and show some faith in the youth players for next season.
No matter how right we are, we're always going to be wrong in the eyes of some.

Das Shadow

Who cares what anyon else thinks about us Shadow? They hate us anyway. I'm only interested in our survival now mate.
Sticks and stones and all that.
I've got nothing to feel guilty,or embarrassed about.
It's like asking Sydney Devine fans to apologise for all the p*sh records he made.
Optimistic Bear

@1: do you still hope Rangers survive just to annoy Celtic fans?

Obviously NOT JUST to annoy Celtic fans,no name poster.
But there are a few Celtic fans on here constantly,bemoaning our survival to date.
The same ones(regulars on here know who they are) have been predicting and hoping for our demise since February,so yes,i'm quite sure they will be upset.
Notice you are still "Trolling" previous posts, and remaining anonymous,you pathetic little coward.
Optimistic Bear.

@3: ooh, i'm shaking. Some fan you are, admitting the other day to wanting Rangers to survive just to annoy Celtic fans. If you want an example of pathetic, take a look in the mirror.

Not leaving a name again, just because it obviously annoys you - like it matters anyway, now there are numbers for these replies. Love and hugs to you. {Ed014's Note - If you don't stop trolling I will get you banned.Grow up.

17 May 2012 17:41:25
Lord Coe as I write accepting the Olympic flame in Athens. He states that the torch will visit all of the UKs people's in England, Scotland, Wales and NI, Lord Coe also stating that the flame will also visit our neighbours and friends in Dublin, shining bright representing Sporting Integrity ( guess it won't go to Ibrox).

Are you saying the people in that area are undeserving?

@1: or maybe it was a joke? You remember them?

17 May 2012 16:21:11
if you got barred from your local pub cos your mates caused bother and you asked if you could get back in because you spend a lot of money in the pub.Imagine if the owner said yes,,but you have to buy everybody in the pub a drink,,you cant bring your mates,you have to stand in the corner wearing a clown suit and btw heres a fine as well,,,,,methinks i may tell the pub owner to insert a 40 ouncer where the sun don't shine,,,,3rd division,,boycott all away games,fill Ibrox and sing our songs,,don't spend one blue penny in anything to do with the SFA,SPL etc,when all the other teams go bust vote on sanctions to make them suffer more.Hopefully this will finish what we pass of as football in this country for good.

17 May 2012 16:10:39
Anyone else think we should just accept the punishment and get on with things. We are still easily going to finish at least 2nd in the league anyway should we hang on to the likes of aluko and Naismith.

17 May 2012 16:05:47
Not been posting on here for a while mainly because of Rangers Situation just depresses the sh*te out of me, or my points already been put across by another poster. Despite being fed up of this mess, I think The SPL have shown a decent set of B*lls by sticking to their guns on the transfer ban, although I personally would have made the ban "12 months or until you pay your debt in terms of monies owed for players. And the fine taken out the prize money for finishing second". (Not looking for an arguement, its just my point of view)

These issues aside, Rangers can sell McGregor, Naismith, Davis, Goian, Lafferty, Edu, and Whittaker. and still have a squad that WILL finish at least second. (Lets face it, Celtic are not very good when they are expected to win)

I will still support a team in the SPL with a starting 11 of

Alexander
Wallace
Perry
Boca
Broadfoot
Hutton
Ness
McCabe
Fleck
Aluko (If given a new contract, if not then Bedoya)
Little

Celtic are no great shakes, we've shown we can beat them, and beat them well with a squad no much better than above.

The SPL is Dire, fullstop. with or without the Gers. Why ditch all this animosity of SFA/SPL/Celtic or whoever and get behind McCoist and the youngsters who will be playing, and most probably the first group of players who would actually play for the Jersey's since 9-in a row

Heres a question ED, does this Transfer/Registration ban include Backroom staff? If not, why not get some of the best coaches to Murray Park?

Rikkisixx {Ed001's Note - the registration ban only affects playing staff mate, so there is nothing stopping the best coaches arriving (except money!). Also, I think you make a good point on the punishment, though I would say the ban should be a minimum of 12 months or until those debts that caused the ban are paid off, whichever is longer.}

17 May 2012 16:02:08
All of this nonsense that 'we get what we deserve' is a total joke.

When i was standing in the terraces during 9 in a row when we had all the big names i genuinely believed we were being run properly and that we had the best business men running us. I paid my ticket money, bought my pies, strips and programmes every week genuinely believing that by doing this i was paying for these big players and not the bank (naivety is suppose). When Craig Whyte didnt pay our PAYE i was still in the terraces buying my programmes, pies and football strips and believing that we had paid off all our debts (minus tax case) and that my ticket money was paying for the players etc.... (naivety again). I had no idea that the money i had paid to the club was being used to pay the players while avoiding tax and cheating the system. I personally dont cheat the tax system and certainly do not condone anyone who does. So i for one along with the majority of Loyal Rangers Fans do not deserve what we are getting and will not stand for this as we are the ones having our hearts ripped out by the SFA and their made up punishments.

Go after Whyte and Murray... sue them, fine them and make sure they never run a business ever again but don't punish us hard working loyal fans.

Alan {Ed001's Note - sorry mate, but it doesn't matter, you still got the benefits of watching them, even if you didn't know why.}

17 May 2012 15:46:33
John Smeaton is to be broought on board by Mr Green to spearhead the PR job of the consortium. I am a neighbour of his parents who nconfirmed to me that he is to return from the USA at the end of June . He is hughly popular across the pond and his addition to the consortium will give much needed reassurance to my fellow Rangers fans. In Ally we trust.

Good god! Really? This must be a joke right?.........green jhedi

And you're happy with that level of intelligence on the board?

17 May 2012 15:24:12
I agree with the fellow bear about players on international duty,also now the SFA have put a bid in to host EURO 2020,they obviously expect to use IBROX now is the time to tell them NO ,no they cant use IBROX.....they will be left with parkhead ,Hampden and possibly murrayfield or Easter road ,fir park and tynecastle ha ha sure UEFA will be impressed

Will ibrox be there in 2020? What a stupid post..........green jhedi

Unfortunately we'd probably need the money, don't need to cut off our nose to spite our face.

Well, Ibrox has been a 5 star rated stadium since the 90s, could have had champs league final, but no.

It's a joint bid so will need 4 or maybe 5 stadia at most - Hampden, Celtic Park, possibly new Aberdeen stadium (if needed) and one, maybe two in Edinburgh. Add to two in Dublin and Swansea's, Cardiff's and the Milennium Stadium and it's sorted - there's ten or eleven without Ibrox.

Ibrox is in a shocking state.

@3: no such thing as a 5 star stadium any more as UEFA changed the grading system.

@1 force still not with you or know you would that ibrox still there in year3000 go back to the dark side.......blue yodda

Never got a big final due to lack of hotel beds in glasgow at the time

17 May 2012 15:17:32
Can anyone tell me if this is a ban on transfer's or registration of players. Is there not a case for employment restriction if unsigned or Bosmans are not allowed to sign, a clear restriction on European law and the basis for the original Bosman ruling. Not allowing unsigned / free agents or Bosmans to ply their trade is a clear breach of European Employment Law.
Dahun12 {Ed001's Note - registration.}

17 May 2012 13:56:13
My sister cancelled her Sky Sports package today, and she told the guy on the phone her reason was she doesn't want to waste money on the Scottish league when there is only one runner next season. ( She was going to cancel it anyway because of the price but thought she would do her bit ).

Anyway the guy said they are actually looking to introduce a package next season where you can leave out certain sports or leagues and pay less for it. I wonder why they have done this ?

That would be very bad for some sports. However being judged on your own merits and recieving tv deals that are reflective of viewer figures would at least keep finances in reality. CheltBlue

Because streaming is starting to hurt them.This has been coming for a while...........green jhedi

Probably to make more money, split it all up and sell smaller packages for bigger cash incentive, remember its got f1, rugby etc so i cant see it anything to do with us....
craig+babybear

17 May 2012 14:28:43
Wonder what you fellow Gers fans think of this

The way i see it is the SFA are trying to take the moral highground and to a point they are right so why dont Rangers insist on a final punishment for everything rathert than constanly punching us when were down?

I

Coz it's funnier for the rest of us when we see you getting another kick every time you try to get up! lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

17 May 2012 13:58:51
The luckiest club in britain!!!The vast majority of reporters journalists are stating this,a slap on the wrist yet all the frothing at the mouth angry bears want to blame everyone else once again for there CLUBS actions,not just one man!well if the present is bleak,over the next few weeks get ready for EBT enquiry outcome,BTC outcome,& all the dirty hidden secrets being aired for all to see,plus the small matter of liquidation!!now dont go diagreeing bears,as extinction for rfc looms,a total sham of a club the likes that have never been seen,rfc hang your head in shame.rip..stevo

Stevo i widnae pee on u if u were in fire

17 May 2012 13:28:27
lashing out wildly usually means the fight is near its end, dignity is required not running round blaming people for our past mistakes, the tv deal will continue, the league was rigged for one of two teams to win, wake up to the fact other teams will take the place of rangers (hope its only for a season or two) we will return in some shape or form, some will like it some won't, in that case go support clyde, thistle etc or the glory hunters could follow motherwell or hearts? til the good times return.

Sounds like what Jardine has been doing. Yes, dignity is required. I don't think other clubs hate Rangers but they will do if they don't get out of class when teacher asks them to.

17 May 2012 13:22:51
Rumours are flying around forums, Green and his Mysterons are going to pull out after the SFA hinted to him at last nights meeting that worse to come when the double contract investigation is concluded, i pray he does and the Blue Knights keep the faith.

17 May 2012 13:14:30
Well took me a while to condur up to type this but eddy, do you think a year embargo will be useful for the new owner to settle down for a year and start frsh finacial over that year? just a thought, abiously not wanting the Shaft by that higher arky spl but if it means in that year rangers have a sound finance and more money for better quality the following season?

TODD88 {Ed001's Note - yes, it gives the new owners a chance to settle in without pressure from the fans and to sort out the rest of the finances. Then they can figure out what kind of budget they have for players, if any.}

I also think we could find some really cracking young players if we stay in spl, just imagine being 18 and having the chance to play first team regulary, but then its all ifs and buts.
craig+babybear

17 May 2012 12:38:25
Sky are noticing that a lot of rangers fans are either cancelling their sports package today !
I reckon sky will have a lot to say in this never ending saga
Ayrshire Bear

So it's Sky's fault now, is it?? lol
Stand up and take the punishment Bears. The party of the last 20 years is over. The hangover now begins. Hide under the covers for the next 5 years and all will be ok!

WOO HOO
ChrisBhoy

You, sad, sad little man. Do u not realise how pathetic you sound right now? U lot really do have no shame do you?

Drew

Well thats the final clutch at a straw now.........green jhedi

What a load of B......cks. Do you think a few Rangers fans cancelling thier sky sports package is really going to harm/effect/upset Sky? A global multi billion dollar company brought to its knees by some angry Rangers fans cancelling thier sports channels haha hahahhhaha

I think all of you have to read the original post again. The chap says nothing about blaming Sky.

GROW UP!

GDog
WATP

If we're in Div3 we won't need SKY as BBC Alba will be showing our games.

17 May 2012 12:26:59
Am i missing something,
Dnp going to appeal the appeal,
Due to transfer ban was not a option to the panel
Fair ground to appeal,
The option open to the panel,
Revoke license or remove them from scottish football,
Dancing on thin ice,

17 May 2012 11:52:50
so Rangers can afford a top QC which would have cost them 1000s plus, yet cant afford to pay their creditors, that is shocking and disgracefull and why should creditors accept 8p in the £ when the QC didnt
SFA should have just kicked them out, expulsion as if this goes to UEFA and they investigate a can of worms is opened, walk way and concentrate on having a team for next season no matter what division your playing in, as you still have a loyal support that will follow you, and starting with no debt in the 3rd div is your best option, and your way to get back at the SFA and SPL as they would lose the SKY money and clubs would suffer, fight the right fights and as a Celtic fan, if you fight the right ones in 3 years you will be stronger than what you have been in many years and playing in the champions league, sometimes you need to take a step back to move forward, and i agree Green is not the right man to take you forward, but he will make your club a viable proposition for true bidders in the future who will put money in the club, but in my opinion the circus act has gone on long enough, it needs to end and Duff and Phelps have been an embarressement to Rangers, after all their Whytes appt, hidden agendas are not, this should have been sorted done and dusted within weeks of going into administration, not months

Aye cause the creditors would happily accept a mere £1000.......

TTG

The fighting fund paid for QC not Rangers

Lochaber bear

In case you are too thick to have noticed. The RFFF (funded by the fans) paid for the QC. Unless you want a say in how we spend our own money now I'd suggest you wind your neck in.

@3. Don't let the Rangers haters try to tell us otherwise. Once again the East End Lawyers/Accountants/QC's etc get their facts wrong.

17 May 2012 10:47:06
So the SFA have called your bluff lads. They know your new owners if successful will sell their souls to remain in the Spl punishments ET al. They know your threatened boycotts are empty and hollow and they know any newco in the third div will seriously harm your club. Game set and match to the SFA , oh deary me.

17 May 2012 11:09:09
In this probably not unexpected ruling from the sfa, i think we should just get on with it, i dont think boycotts are the way forward or threats to the sfa.Our club has what we know broke the rules. What worries me is that what we dont know, what depths have people mismanaged my beloved club, i will renew my season ticket and can only pray that green is the way forward. We cant start acting like we rule the place because we will suffer more because of this, i see internet sites saying f@ck sfa and f@ck other spl clubs, well it hurts what has happened of course it does but we better watch in case they end up really f@cking US.
At least as normal, tax paying , responsible fans we should support our team.
craig+totallybemusedbabybear

Another sensible post mate,Green might be the right guy at the right time to make unpopular decisions to get your club back.A real shame what whyte has done to decent fans like you and baby bear..........green jhedi

17 May 2012 10:22:32
Thanks for all the good messages folks. Just catching up with the news, transfer embargo stands. Why couldnt it be defered for 6 months therefore allowing RFC to get players in ? Surely the decision is damaging to the league as a whole not just us? CheltBlue

17 May 2012 09:46:22
Can Rangers still offer contracts to players during the 12 month ban?

Yes. One thing that is bugging me is if Rangers are allowed to appoint a new manager during this embargo?

Afterall, appointing a new manager is like a new signing.

TTG

17 May 2012 09:28:28
just a quick question

If we dont get a CVA agreed & go
down the newco route, i take it this
12 month transfer embargo is void ?

I wouldn't bet on it. Just watch the rules change dramatically if Rangers go down a newco route. All the other clubs will fight tooth and nail to have a newco slapped with sanctions that don't even exist yet.....

TTG

The only way the embargo would be void is if the rangers assets are not transfered over to the newco. The players can go to the newco and renegogiate their contract. The newco would have no old rangers assets no old rangers history and no old rangers embargo.

17 May 2012 09:18:27
I have been a loyal Rangers fan all my life and i have traveeled all over the country and europe to watch them. But i for one will not be attending any of the away SPL matches in season 2012/13. Why should we fill the pockets of the SPL if they are going to treat one of their biggest assets to their leagues like this....they clearly are not supporting us in our times of need- so why should we support them. I say let them get on with it...boycott the away games by not going and let them see the mess they end up in. There are already rumours of Sky Sports terminating the contract with the SPL, as they believe that the SPL is a one horse race and a waste of time. This decision could end up losing the SPL an £80 million contract all because they have a vendetta against our club.... i hope they live to regret this stupid decision. I have a page trending on FB for boycotting away games...please like

You do know this was an SFA decision, not the SPL?

I'm gutted , YES let's show them how hard we can BOOT back , but I think it shouldn't be a complete boycott , what's caley an big tel done to deserve that , BUT as for united, hibs , the rats from pittodrie PUNISH them to the max , but then I've got the brazil qualifiers coming up, and I LOVE the hampden atmosphere ! So what, punish myself to punish the SFA, IM A SCOTLAND DIE HARD ..... Always at the home games :(
Is there anyway for me to get tickets without giving that comedians my money, if anyone has an answer I'd appreciate your input. Ed I've been off the page for a while (no doubt stevos noticed) , have ya seen stevo on ed mate , I miss the tripe he posts that humours me :-)
Paul(FTSFA)RFC

Can you please post the name of the fb page u have trending mate, andyg74

Lol,tripe truth more like,the luckiest club in britain,yet not a wounded bear can see this,as there self persecution has went into overdrive blaming everyone apart from there own club,who have caused this debacle&disgrace on scottish football,the punishment for rfc should have been kicked out football forever,so accept your slap on the wrist..nice too see you post&still think off me ..stevo

17 May 2012 08:33:00
sfa reject transfer embargo!! lets just kick us when were down! now is the time to put two fingers up to the sfa and leave the league,
supposedley they dont need us! let them wollow in there own greed see how long they last reckon there should be a petition to sign that we all want out of spl its an absolute joke

rangers til i die {Ed001's Note - what is a joke, was Rangers attempt to overturn an embargo when they got off lightly! Why are you whining about it? You should have been thrown out of the SPL, that would have been the fair punishment, as happened all over Europe.}

Well said ed001

Sorry ed you got that wrong ,we were getting kicked out of scottish football at least we would know where we stood. {Ed001's Note - you know where you stand, no signing players over 18 for one years.}

17 May 2012 08:16:36
Comments here about just 2 mens indesretions? did not all the players and directors at the club know that in the UK we had a tax system? and that earning wages without paying tax was illegal. Pay Up and Shut up.

As usual misinformed crap

like every other business there was tax/legal advice given, whether you agree with it or not - they followed that advice

(I presume you don't work for Vodaphone?)

bil72

The point is, although Craig Whyte's actions were in Rangers name, he was really acting on his own behalf. He ran up an estimated £13m tax debt whilst the club were already in a tax tribunal. The guy is a sham.

The players weren't involved in any tax evasion, they accepted the EBT scheme as a means of payment. The EBT scheme was a legal scheme set up by HMRC itself. Rangers aren't in administration because of this EBT case, they are in administration because of Craig Whyte's failure to pay VAT and PAYE etc.......

TTG

Take yer own advice mr nameless If u done a bit of research you would find that the money had been deducted from players staff etc but white chose not to pay hmrc the cash

Cranny cf3

Unfair.The employees would not have known whyte was pocketing their contributions......green jhedi

17 May 2012 03:05:46
One has got to ask will William Hill be happy to associate with an organization that has fixed the league and would we as Rangers be happy to patronize an establishment that sponsors such an organization

Will our supporters be happy to pay to see a rigged league in our television subscriptions or should we be allowed to pay our hard earned coins to watch competitive football package ie an English only package

It's only rigged if somebody cheats and as far as i can see it's rangers! spoiled brats who don't like to be finally reprimanded for wrongdoing!take yer medicine

How on earth is the league rigged? While i think the transfer ban is harsh,i would have thought a ban till football debt was paid might have been sufficient,they could have suspended your licence.The SFA dont come out of this well at all.While making sure rangers were punished,they also want them in the SPL and competing in the cup competitions.Bit of a conflict there to be fair.But make no mistake about it,murray and latterly whyte are to blame for this mess.All this before the dual contracts and BTC hearings results are announced.

As opposed to Rangers fixing the league over the past 10 years by financial doping!

Catch a grip of yourself! What did you expect to happen?

Rangers have been found guilty of very serious charges and have to be punished accordingly! The panel said the only charge which could be more serious was match fixing!

But Rangers fans in their "we are the people" arrogance believe the club should pay pennies in the pound to creditors, have no sanctions imposed and be able to start afresh with no debt

Unbelievable!

17 May 2012 01:40:27
for those visitors to this site that say
we have to be punished.
I am sorry I thought 10 points deduction, banned from Europe, was punishment

I hope Rangers fight this all the way,
because this is wrong.
We get punished from SFA, SPL,
UEFA, HMRC, and anybody else that
wants a fly kick.

I wont be back at a Scotland game
and hope the rest of the bears do
the same.

What happened to Motherwell when
they went into admin - the square
root of f all. {Ed025's Note - fair points..

There were no rules for this when Motherwell went into admin. Rangers and the other clubs then agreed on the rules. The alternative to the embargo was removal or suspension of Rangers' SFA licence - is that what you'd rather have?

The rules were changed post motherwell's admin.All the bodies you name had their rules broken,hence the punishment.

Seems to be no consistency when Scottish Clubs enter Administration.
Administration British Football highlights this- google it

17 May 2012 01:32:38
LET THE FUN BEGIN! As this proud footballing giant stands on the brink of extinction, BBC Scotland Investigates the inside story of the scandal which brought Rangers FC to its knees. This is a programme based on dozens of secret emails, letters and documents which uncover the truth behind the tax scheme which threatens the club's very existence, and reveals what went on behind the scenes in the run up to Craig Whyte's infamous takeover. From the day Sir David Murray took up the reigns at Ibrox, through the nine-in-a-row Championship years to the ignominy of owner Craig Whyte's reign and the plunge into administration, this programme charts the descent from glory into chaos of one of Scotland's great institutions. Along the way, investigative reporter Mark Daly goes in search of answers to the questions every Scottish football fan is asking, and attempts to confront those who are responsible for the Ibrox club's plight.

Pmsl, really, you know this how?

That's the press release for next wed programme on BBC1 at 8pm.Mark Daly who done the Whyte programme last October is the reporter.

Jungle Bhoy.

17 May 2012 00:25:48
in short this means


•Current Rangers players can have their contracts extended as technically no transfer has taken place.Ie. Aluko can sign a new contract.
•The downside to this as seen in Chelsea's case is that the players under such conditions can basically hold the club to ransom because they know that the club cannot otherwise strengthen the team.
•Loan players are not allowed.
•Free transfers are not allowed.
•In short there will not be a single new player at Rangers for at least a year.

And your second point is exactly what will happen. Players are mercenaries, all the badge kissing nonsense doesn't sway me. If the players don't get what they want they will be off and we will be left with a team of youngsters.

Aluko's contract ends 1st june and must be signed before that or it's over for him.

Why do you call players mercenaries they are just like us we want to work for the highest payer with the best working conditions their careers are short mid thirties finished so have to secure a pension and take care of their familes they already have given up 75% of their basic for last two months to help the club how many fans have given so much so for me their sacrifice will not be forgotten they have the right to move on and play in a team that is at the very least competetive which we will not i for one will not attend an other away game they want to boot us when we r down but keep us in the spl (but to be uncompetitive) so our fans will atten away games and help pay other teams debts and to secure the best deal from sky and i feel every rangers fan who attends away games r playing into the powers to and most spl chairmans plans me for one would go to the third div next year work our way back up however long that takes then and only then we can say we did our time so lets hear other fans views and not the old we didnt do it or the other side having a kick at us the fans must have a say as we r the ones who are being punished and for what we paid our way we stood week in week out supporting our team and another thing be honest here how many season tickets do you think rangers will sell sad sad days ahead and mr murray and whyte are living the high life in the south cooperboy

Some of the players are on record saying they want to stay at the Gers next season so we can only wait and see if they are genuine or not.

If what I hear is correct then we don't need to worry about Naisy leaving. I'm hearing he has no interest in leaving the Gers.

TTG

40 players on the books. Even if 10 leave that's still stronger than pretty well every other club in Scotland. Not bad for a club that's broke.

You do realise that these 40 players include youth players, it's not like Celtics 40 first team players plus youth.

TTG

16 May 2012 23:58:28
bears......
not the result we wanted tonight.
but lets remember, watp
i will be renewing my season book, and wont be boycotting away games. remember this desicion was made by 3 men not other spl chairmen.
remember we are rangers, super rangers. lets get behind c.green and give him benifit of doubt for now and leave the classless behaviour to our east end neibours.
the tiger
still beyond reproach
watp

I will be renewing my season ticket i will not be attending any Scottish cup or League cup games as a way to protest against the SFA not for punishing us but for the severity of the punishment they came to there decision based on the assumption that other directors new what was going on. where is the burden of proof as for boycotting away games i will wait to see what the SPL clubs vote and if i feel they are to severe i will boycott away games i dont care who agrees or disagrees with me its my prerogative to stay away if i want

lochaber bear {Ed001's Note - it is the directors job to know what is happening, so if they didn't know, then they were in neglect of their duty. What part of that can you not understand? You are just making yourself look bitter and childish now. Rangers have got off lightly.}

Classless behaviour? Yeah,rangers have acted with great class eh? Remember when you cheered Whyte into ibrox? Remember all the Timmy warnings? Nah,cos you were the peepil.

As a rangers fan myself I don't rake great pleasure in telling you I totally disagree why should we be willing to back man who can't even confirm to us ego we are affectively being run by,why should we not boycott away games it would cripple other teams financially as certain chairmen have already stated.don't be delusional man are we supposed to stand back and take a shafting without due reprisals don't think so.sure let's pack ibrox out full house every week but dnt give the other clubs a dime in away gate receipts and watch regain and his muppets at the sphell squirm in there own mess.rip Scottish football it's been a blast.