Rangers Banter Archive May 17 2013

17 May 2013 20:31:50
Could Walter Smith not emerge from the shadows and lead the Rangers fans in a major share buy up? If he declared himself out and every shareholder with the good of the club at heart backed him it would be a powerful bargaining tool. There is a real chance to send the con men packing it just needs to be organised.

One problem way that 1 mate is there a recession so doubt many fans have got the spare cash to buy more shares and also the only way to get rid of the conmen is to protest and let no they wil not be getting a penny of the s/t money until we get answers of the questions we need answered even then I wil still think twice about given them the money

Everybody would not coalesce around Walter smith. He doesn't have the business savvy. It wouldn't work.
The answer is to do the Celtic model that worked. Do nothing. Stay away, don't buy merchandise or tickets. These SPIVS will cut their losses sell their shares cheap and go.
It's the only way.

My god are you for real, walters up to his neck in it also, if he was clean he would have spoke to fans by now

Why do people keep thinking Walter is the saviour? Great manager no arguing what he done for us on the pitch but he's another along with that actor we have as a manager that got in bed with green. Wake up, Walter can't save us.

18 May 2013 09:37:47
Problem with the we need answers brigade is that thay can't trust the answers they get.

Will you even trust the findings of the independent commission if they give the all clear to CG after their remit wasn't expanded the way MM wanted it to be?

Hopefully MM doesn't accept any confidentiality clause, I reckon his version of events will be the nearest to the truth we'll get.

@4 totally agree with u mate. Ally though is an even worse manager than he was actor if that's possible

17 May 2013 18:50:46
i have been saying [inluding posts ] for months that spl is heading for similar to league of ireland or wales when Rangers dropped out. Convinced this has not changed, however Hearts situation will without doubt only speed the situation, if we do not quickly realise that Scotland can only justify one proffesional league of approx 12/14 clubs we are kidding ourselves on, and regardless of morals if that does not include Rangers and Hearts we have no chance. W

You say when rangers dropped out, truth is it has been in decline for the last 6 years or so because of over spending by all clubs biggest culprit rangers imo to then forget morals and invite a new league with rangers and hearts ( for the good of the game, your having a laugh m8, ) and its you who are kidding yourself on there cannot be a change or bending of rules to suit these clubs it was they, re own doing,

Hearts and dunfermiline were in trouble before you became instinct mm

Op is correct. Scottish football is getting closer and closer to the welsh and irish leagues. Celtic doing well in Europe this season is only a smoke screen for the rest of scottish football. Players are leaving the spl to join lower league english teams who cann offer mpre money.

Something drastic needs to be done to save our game. I don't know what, but I needs to happen soon.

I would rather have morals -

Old saying - Morality is the one gift that a man can give to himself.

You can choose not to have them but you are diminished by that choice - enjoy the gutter

Binman

18 May 2013 09:50:58
Do you know much about the league of Ireland or the league of Wales or are you just repeating what some numbty seems to say once or twice a week on Radio Clyde?

Scottish crowds are actually still well above average for the size of the population and as long as there is a Rangers & Celtic they likely always will be.

Are you aware that teams in the richest leagues in the world go into administration and liquidation? Did you somehow miss the fact that Portsmouth, a recent winner of the FA Cup, have suffered huge problems in the last few years?

OP my opinion is that Scottish football as a whole won't be in trouble but the top league (whatever its to be called) will be. When Rangers left the top table our crowds went up and every team in div 3 got a financial windfall the same will happen if hearts go down the divisions, and dunfermline for that matter. The top table will be a lot worse without the top teams, even lemon is realising that. A top division without top teams is devalued to almost laughable (to neutral outsiders) status. JYF

You seem to be under the impression that alls doom and gloom if yous, e don't get back in through the back door, I disagree if hearts get relagated and its a big if, then all we have lost is an edinburgh derby, since this season, but dundee stayin up keeps alive the dundee derby also thistle up means a glasgow derby, so alls well here m8 looking forward to next season already

(7) On the subject of derbies, looking forward to a another cracking Highland Derby on Sunday. Swings and roundabouts, see. I think this years SPL has been the best ever. The Caley Motherwell match for example was a thriller. I may be biased of course, (unlike all of you) but my team is 3rd in the league, financially solvent, and has beaten both Celtic and Rangers this year. Even if we don't make Europa I can honestly say this years SPL has been the best ever from here.
Your club followed a broken financial model, was financially insolvent and went out of business. Despite the fact of your incredible and fantastic support, and enormous assets, it wasn't enough for you. It should have been. Learn that lesson bears.
My club lived within its means, and cuts its cloth.
Your new club will be welcome back up here when it has earned its place by working its way up the leagues. Not before. These are the facts. Accept them and move on.

Scotland has one of the highest attendance ratios in Europe per head of population. Other leagues don't continually compare themselves to the English league. We are still the smallest country to have won the European cup. The Welsh league is like div 3. So leave it out.

17 May 2013 02:05:56
If we sign the queen of south nicky cark it will only cost £20,000 to sign him. Please post this ED. Fae FRASER A W. A. T. P 12

Less than 80 season tickets, aye that's value for money before he's kicked a ball.

And how would you know this? Seems quite small for a development fee even for Queens. I thought round about £50k

If the supposed £3. 5k a wk was paid to Sandaza how much a wk does a proven goalscorer in that division cost knowing Ally has a £10m war chest to spend?

I dint think we were able to purchase players until january?

@4 do mate come back when you no wit your talking about compensation isn't the same as a transfer fee

17 May 2013 11:06:05
you are in a rock and a hard place if you pay at the gate with cash it can be taken and put in the big bag or pay by st and money up front whatever way you turn you being fleeced roll up roll up

P. O. B- I know we've had our differences of opinion but this is the kind of post that we should all be aware of. This kind of post is what I call 'submissive propaganda'. There is no validity to it and only serves to encourage apathy amongst our support. There are some who want us divided, there are some who want us to say "what's the point" and do nothing. I say let's do what any good manager would expect from his team. "No passengers in my team, I want you all giving your all until the ref blows the final whistle. The game is never over until the absolute end and I've not heard any whistle yet so get out there and fight to the death"

We are far from the end game and we are the lifeblood of this club. As long as there are Rangers supporters there will be Rangers. Don't let the detractors sway us from our common goal. We are Rangers supporters and we'll decide.

But at least paying on a game by game basis buys a little more time.
Let's say for talking sake that the BDO ruling reverts us back to where we were this time last year,. or worse?
If the cash is only coming in weekly then there's not as much of "OUR" money for the spivs to run off with or conceal in some off shore bank account. Or for a creditors pot or legal fees or whatever, while the spivs get away virtually without putting their hands in their dusty pockets.
If the worst scenario does come to pass, we have our ST money in reserve to back the club.
Of course a much simpler option would be for the board to come out and allay our suspicions over the assets etc, we buy our ST's and everybody moves on.

Op we are not being fleeced of any thing, if you pay at the gate you get a seat to watch Rangers playing whoever they play that day, if you buy a season ticket you are paying up front for 19 or so games. The only way you can get fleeced is if we don't make it to the end of the season and we have already paid for games we don't get to see.

I think the point is, that cash in the bank encourages the so called shysters who are working with your cash. Whereas if you pay at the gate they have to invest their cash and it would only be 'true' investors that get involved.
I grew up with 'pay at the gate' and 'being lifted over' and our club was a proud giant.
billyb

17 May 2013 09:56:58
So, is this what Ally means when he says the club needs" to be clensed " Now we have Alistair Johnston talking about " a cancer " at Ibrox. Why doesn`t McCoist and Smith come clean with the fans and tell us the truth? We can all guess the truth, but we need to hear it from people the fans perceive to be trustworthy. So let's hear it boys! By the way, who the hell are Blue Pitch Holdings? Are they the vehicle that is going to "clense the club "? Are people like the Eadie`s and Morgan people the fan`s can trust? I honestly did not think things could get ant worse! How wrong was I!

Rangers are at a cross roads I'm a Celtic fan that has read all of the Kelly and board and mc cann saga it was two different entities in battle and brinkmanship which the good won, but the scenario at ibrox is a free for all with many men wanting ther say and stacking ther piece to go on and be a club it has to be one force one entitie or rangers will be in the wilderness for many years to come, and my view for a rangers for the fans is to sort out that all rangers shares owned by real rangers fans have them joint with one man the fans pick that's your way to the truth as this person will be at all the big meetings just my personal thought, but the saga that is rangers is a story with no good ending with the Peaple at the helm at the moment

17 May 2013 08:24:42
all signings stopped until mr mather know if we have the funds to finance the deals. At last a CEO with a plan and not trying to pander to the fans. The club need to come 1st this time not owner/CEO egos

Ally's been trying to be the tail wagging the dug for weeks.

In fact for a year.

This is the Green/ Ahmad/ Stockbridge/ Mathers/ Morgan/ Lebanon/ Indonesia/ Scrap dealers bus guys spiv angle.

Blackmailing fans for season ticket cash. No money no players simples. Don't cave in to it.

@op why would a successful businessman like mather say that when he knows needs to make those signing if he want them to fork out for s/t pretty sure your story is 100% bs so for that reason I'm OUT

Wer is he sayin this because it was only yesterday he supposedly gave an exclusive interview sayin him and ally wer hoping to have the deals done well before the start of preseason or are you another who likes to talk bs

God are we really heairng this all again, we need money to do signings etc. let's rush and pay our season tickets now. our club needs us.
Oh my bloody god Mathers etc are the same group, he is Green and co, s man, they don't want to fund a thing, they want us to do it. We did it last season, we also bought the shares at top price to fund them now they want more? give them nothing let's see who blinks first. mmm most likely us lot i'm afraid. again.
This stinks,,, and I am getting sick of it all.

@5 you seem to be missing the nobody is saying we need money signings straight away but what happens when we get to the top lge because I seriously don't think we'll have that good a team when we do so we'll need money to spend and also because the paper said green dug his heels in to get Mather the job Mather is a businessman and a shareholder himself so I pretty much doubt he's greens puppet

Mr or Mrs (6) I am missing no points in what is happening to our club!
We are being used as money fountian by peple who do not have our club at heart. If you really do not see the connection between Mathers and Green and co then I suggest maybe Specsavers as a possible next shooping trip.
If you are missing the hidden agenda by Mr Mathers latest speech then you unfortunatly are not understanding anything that is happening at Ibrox currently?
In fact you appear to be the exact money fool they need?
We could and should be able to walk the first two hurdles of promotion with out a vast money input.
The following year before promotion to top league, should be the one when we invest in players to take us to the top arena.
In essence this costs our club? nothing other than wages, because players want to be there for,, top wages top support top media attention,, and there names never to be forgotten.
God no wonder we get ripped off so much. we never learn it seems.

@7 it's mr tae you with no name please explain Mathers hidden agenda in his speech and I said we didn't need cash signings straight away and nobody knows how much money there is and also the players that are there and coming in its not because they want to be there its because its easy money and am pretty aware what's happening from the dribs and drabs but wait till the investigation report comes out then we'll know much more and I ain't no fool register on the site so people no who's commenting or do you like bein anon

16 May 2013 23:32:02
We need to unite and unite fast. I may sound like the vice of doom but I'd say we're in our 11th hour.

RSA, vanguard, Blue Order, trust and assembly must all put differences aside and unite to take our club back. This has went on for too long and unfortunately I now feel like the cancer is spreading and the club doesn't have long left. We need to be heard and heard fast, now is not the time for waiting on the saviour. Only we can save our club now!
G Bearblue

Get Green and his cronies out before its too late

Op, that is a great idea but sadly I think there is as many divisions amongst all the various supporters groups for their own selfish needs as there is amongst the current board. One note of reality I think we all have to grasp is that there has to be some cost cutting done at rangers as current spending isn't matching our income which led us into our current plight. BT

Atleast a year too late!

Good shout. Now its a Lebanese lawyer calling the shots wtf. There won't be rangers minded on the board at all.

They will all go away if fans don't turn up or buy anything. It might take six months it might take a year get the share price right down by not buying season tickets. Then buy the shares.

Why the doom & gloom
power struggles happen
in boardrooms all over
the place mate KEEP CALM
AND BUY A SEASON TICKET.
billy h

Good luck with that 1 mate these groups only interested about there own groups and the rest of us fans come on here and other forums to say we need to do this and that me personally I think it would only take a small number of fans to stand outside ibrox get some exposure on the news and papers and that small group would soon become a massive group and then we could start demanding answers to the?s we want answered so is there any small group willing to start it

@4, Are you serious billy? why the doom and gloom? We have stuck by rangers all the way through this, bought season tickets, filled stadiums, The Rangers support have been nothing but superb, but yet we are clueless as to the future of our club? we are sick and tired of standing by this club while everyday some other story comes out about our club its horrible, I can't believe this is the same club that we have supported all these years, even though we have stuck by our club, they haven't got the decency to come out and tell us hoestly what shape the club is in, we were there for our club when they needed us, so it would only be right to involve us in how our club is being run
deejay

@6 cheers for reply mate
Would just like to say
if reports are true and
the club is losing at least
a million every week and people
saying certain people are
crooks can I counter that by
saying when have u ever heard
of crooks getting involved in
anything were they lose money
billy h

I don't understand what you're trying to say billy?! at the end of the day we have been going through this for 2 years! not knowing what's around the corner! as fans, and the people who have stuck by the club, we deserve to be told what is going on, there is that much people in and out the ibrox doors we don't know what's happening, there is a reason there is doom and gloom, WE DESERVE BETTER!
deejay

Of course we do deejay,
for me the problem is
after the last 2yrs we are
afraid to trust anyone
hopefully in the near
future we can leave that
fear behind and move
on here's to the future
mate

(7) The club is losing money. not the crooks Billy. Fans who bought season tickets. Investors who bought shares in good faith. The creditors who had the assets removed in liquidation for a song and immediately revalued at +£20m more. That's where the money came from, not the crooks who want your season ticket money again before they disappear over the horizon like green with their pockets jangling.

The crooks are taking out hefty wages. Green got a healthy pay off. They bought their shares for a fraction of what they are taking out of the club.

In total £10m was invested. They could sell off Murray Park and make most of their money back, and look on Ibrox as pure profit.