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17 Sep 2013 19:40:26
any overseas bears having problems with RTV tonight?
JG
Yup. Was "Watch Live" 10 mins before the game and now its "Catchup" 3 hours after.
And the Rangers TV website says "Every game LIVE, outside the UK and ROI only". Well, I'm in DC and am paying $28 a month to watch "every game live" and turns out that this is not the case.
17 Sep 2013 18:55:50
Has anyone noticed that BBC Scotland have once again failed to report on Rangers. They have failed to mention that Rangers are playing tonight in the Ramsden cup.
I have already complained to BBC Scotland (two weeks ago). they have stated that they respond in two weeks.
All Rangers fans should complain about this.
It's on the BBC website. It's live on BBC radio Scotland. The whole game is being broadcast later on BBC Alba. Ridiculous isn't it. DH
1. ) All from the permission of QOS and the contract BBC has to broadcast games.
I am talking about BBC Scotland TV journalism being biased towards Rangers for not commenting on and giving updates about the weekly goings on, and not just the negative side.
eg - tonight's BBC Scotland News Programme did not mention that Rangers had a game tonight, although they talked about celtics game going on tomorrow.
Troo Bloo
Unbiased reporting, or what?
It has been going on for a few months now - trust me.
Erm shall we talk about the Champions League or Ramsdens Cup. That's a toughie, lol. martyc1888
Lower league teams don't usually get
mentioned in sports news updates. Trust me. jamie.
Ok let's get it right tonight Coisty refused to talk to Chick Young I think it's time they all sorted this out I for one depend on what's being said as I live in the sticks & it's hard for us to hear what's going on what about the other 10million of us around the world
RTID
Get a life mate. No wonder other fans have a go at us. BBC were all over the game in so many ways. Don't start getting the "Kerrydale Complex". please.
6. +1.
OP sounds like another PR person here to distract from the bigger story of what's happening at our club. Funny how they crop up and post like mad for a few weeks and then disappear.
4. ) STV mentioned the Rangers game and regularly give Rangers football news.
Why do you think BBC Scotland only post negative reports on Rangers.
Remember now. that the BBC as a taxpayer owned institution is supposed to provide unbiased reporting on the main issues in Scotland, and in our case the main issues affecting The West of Scotland, including sports, and as Rangers is the largest club in the west should have sufficient media coverage.
So there!
At 8 did spence not work for bbc and his unbiased reporting got him death threats. James
Never hear about queens park either bloody travesty maybe they should have a lower league program just like England do so the lower league clubs get covered
@6 "kerrydale complex" haven't laughed so much in ages. Cheers Ayr Bear. PB
17 Sep 2013 17:51:38
I never read or seen something officially saying rangers don't have money I think mathers and co have rangers running ok atm and are playing there cards close to there chest. we still see 40000 fans through the gate ever second week surely that generates good money. people always go on about how our wage bills to high I doubt it is otherwise ally would not be signing players. only money were missing out on is champions league and we weren't guaranteed it most years we never got it. our wage budget can't be over half of what it was before admin
@op you will probably never see anything official coming out of ibrox these days unless it`s the match referee.
you see all those fans at the game because rangers fans are loyal to the team and not the board.
as for the wage bill being too high, well here`s an example, ian black and his agent went into ibrox hoping to negotiate a deal in the region of between £1, 500 to £1, 600 per week and as they sat down rangers offered £7, 500 per week which black and agent bit rangers hand off, rant over.
17 Sep 2013 22:49:48
and how do you know what black was offered yet alone anything about his contract?
manderson
18 Sep 2013 00:48:44
@ one0ten how are you aware what black and agent were willing to take or got offered? Unless you are his agent? Which I'm pretty sure your not, sorry but I think your talking cr*p
@2+3= all you need to do to find out facts is go into any pub on paisley rd west and if he`s in listen to a certain member of the rangers coaching staff, he will tell you from his own mouth what he earns and what other people earn in wages and bonuses, so its not what I know it`s what comes from the horses mouth, if you don't believe me then dont, but that answers the question on how i`m aware. by the way these may be the words of a drunk person rabbling but think of whose money he`s drinking.
4. ) DTs are a curse!
18 Sep 2013 16:43:59
@4 if that is true then it still doesn't explain how he would know what black and agent wanted per week!only what he is on!= porky's
@alek1972 i`ve been reading thru all the posts and your name pops up pretty regularly, every one of your replies to peoples posts are all in the negative sense, you call people timmy`s in disguise, accuse them of telling porkies, not once have I seen you give a positive response, so let me ask you a question. are you kicking with a right foot or left. and as for your query on how the certain coach would know, does no one at ibrox or murray park speak to each other, socialise with each other or are they all just robots. so if you have any more queries feel free to post but if I see your name attached to anymore posts I will just scroll on by and say to myself "oh look mr negative 1972 no thanks bye"and move on.
17 Sep 2013 17:44:47
Anyone else think that faure is turning into a half decent player? 10 times better than the mince he was turing in last season.
Not really as he is up against part time players and he still gives the ball away needlessly. He would be found out against a decent side
@op in all fairness mate all of last seasons players have improved dramatically
In all faureness - he has improved but he is not for me.
Plays better at centre half, don't know why he keeps being played at right back when we have Foster, McAusland, Mitchel and Peralta that can play there.
17 Sep 2013 17:24:07
Call me sanctimonious;
Call me cynical;
Call me al.
Rangers will win tonight, and then kick on from there. This is the defining moment in Ally's managemental career.
For me Ally has nothing to prove. I am behind him 100%. All the other clowns are sitting, hoping and wishing something bad happens - what kind of fan is that, if a fan at all!
WATP
Spot on.
@ op well said mate to many fans want ally to fail but if he fails then it means the teams failed aswell
17 Sep 2013 17:40:57
your loyalty is admirable m8, altho I do think we have a very real worry ahead, but sumtimes its good to hear from a good gers fan who wants to see the best in us, awwrabest
Ally has nothing to prove? You must be joking! Alex Ferguson has nothing to prove having won just about everything while Ally has been an embarrassment in the cups and had to get SPL players in order to win the lowest division in Scottish football
Lets be honest with our squad we shouldn't lose a game this season to teams outwith the top 6 in scotland let's not forget how much players wages we are paying not another team we play could afford 1 never mind 9 so give me a rest, thinking this is a romantic journey or something get real
4. ) It took Mr Ferguson 5 or 6 years to make his mark.
Incidentally, he let Jim Leighton take all the flak for his teams shortcomings when he was there.
All managers have their ups and downs and bedding in period.
Ask any manager how much time they should get at a club as manager and they will all say at least three years, minimum.
This is beginning to sound like a vendetta by the wee green mob - please stop it, it is very tiresome and childish.
I am now going to stop responding to posters alluding to Ally's character and management style.
17 Sep 2013 18:53:38
If Ally was getting results from a team of youngsters then I'd say we must back him all the way.
Talking about 'defining moments' is utterly bizarre. It's the Ramsden's Cup FFS.
Troo Bloo, are you Adam by any chance or have you just taken over cheerleading duties from him?
7. )?
Adam? Not sure what you are on about m8.
Ally did get results - just not all of them was what he wanted or me for that matter - move on you will feel all the better for it. Your team is playing in the champions league tomorrow - ffs! move on!
Ally has had 200 games as manager of the club. What has he won with those 200games?
N9 ally won the most important thing in our way back to the top he won us premotion last season
@6 when are you going to realise the only people wanting Ally to go are Rangers fans the " wee green mob" as you call them want Ally on the 25 year contract that was promised Ally is the best thing ever to happen for Celtic fans. johnnyG
17 Sep 2013 15:52:16
Rangers should show black the door then go for the boy kelly sure he would do better job.
The Black issue shows there has been no rehabilitation of management principles at the club. His continued employment points to the ethical void at manager and director level. The CEO, if he has any standards, needs to step in and sack him.
17 Sep 2013 17:03:55
blacks going nowhere so why even bother going on about it he's started the season well looked the part not at his best but still been impressed
manderson
McCoist and Black should both be chased out of Ibrox.
Black is certainly stupid but McCoist is undoubtedly stupid and very naive in his support for Black.
We all know others were betting, but Black as usual managed to get caught. Black is a liability and he is not fit to wear a Rangers jersey? Never mind pick up his wages, which he seldom actually earns.
His future will be determined by the reaction of the fans, pesonally speaking I just can't stomach the concept of a player betting his team not to win and that in essance is what he was found guilty of. I don't see him being around for long tbh.
17 Sep 2013 17:28:52
Does any 1 think rangers will win the spl when they get back and do u think we will get in the champions league again thoughts fellow bears
Does anyone think rangers will win the spfl when we come back and b back in champions league where we belong
Show Black the door,
BET it doesn't happen.
If Black now comes back and gives it everything in every game, why get rid of him, if he were to score the winning goal in a cup game against you know who, the same people who are disgusted with him at the moment would be offering to buy him a pint or at the very least place his accumulator. It's the same self righteous people time and again that always get upset when someone else has told them to be, as for the Celtic supporters that are coming on here and telling us that we should be calling for the sacking of our manager and players, why would they care if not for the reason that it is them who are afraid, afraid of our pending success, with Ally leading the charge.
The so called Gers support calling for this, hang your heads in shame, if this team fails to win promotion them have a go, but until then put some ice on the brain and cool down, stop bickering over what ifs and what might and start backing what is.
"His future will be determined by the reaction of the fans"?, that would probably be the case if "the fans" could agree on it, but that's not the case, just because a very small minority of supporters in the scale of the overall fan base have come out shouting does not mean they speak for the rest, until you know for certain what the other tens of thousands opinions are then you might want to consider that they may not agree with you.
@ 8 considering that he put a fiver bet on and included east stirling to draw with us as one of his selections, I don't see the fans have a huge reaction over that, some of the stuff that has been posted on here about this subject is well OTT
JG
9. ) and he scored the winner after coming off the bench -- cheating my erky perky - this is all guff from porkieheid!
@ 9, totally agree, if he was really trying to fix a match then I'm sure he would have placed a large bet and certainly not lumped it in with other games out with his control. Anyway he then came on and scored the winner, not exactly ideal if your really wanting a draw.
Black obviously is overpaid if you think he puts on pointless bets.
I would suggest that if this is what he did? He is even more stupid and disrespectful to his club and to his fellow professionals.
He will always be a liability, he should go and see a psychologist and get some help!
19 Sep 2013 07:15:25
black is certainly stupid and mcCoist is undoubtedly stupid? is there a difference?
McCoist is a millionaire, sum stupidity eh?
19 Sep 2013 13:20:21
ally is the man for the job. we here this rubbish against him day in and day out. get off his back. let the the man get on with the job. I have no doubt the great glasgow rangers will be back stronger than ever. real fan. like most off you
17 Sep 2013 15:36:41
come on this site everyone want ally to be sacked. go to a game and all you hear is super ally super ally. we need to get behind our team ally and the coaching staff are rangers through and through. we need people like this in our club atm
What we need is
Leadership
Dignity
Honesty
Transparency
Quality
Vision
Decency.
Do we get this from Ally?
@1 no chance.
Another cup exit tonight will be hard to come back from.
All the time!
It is wee lemmie who wears the tracksuit, shouts swears, hits players, runs on to the park and fights with all and sundry.
These trait's haven't been shown by anyone at Ibrox for a very long time sadly
17 Sep 2013 15:34:55
What's the big problem with rangers fans saying ally is terrible? I thought we lived in a world of free speech, I think he's garbage and none of you will change my mind, his record in cups is probably the worst of any rangers manager, 1 million a year in wages when the club is on the brink of another administration, this is unacceptable in my eyes.
Totally agree - see the next bunch of posts for the obscene whitaboutery.
"Ally isnae a bad manager cause selik got beat in 2006"
"Yous lost tae ICT so were better"
"Ally didnae huv enuf internationals in the team tae beat them part timers.
The guy is a poor manager with a dreadful record and a bunch of wahoos as coaching staff.
Sooner he goes the better.
.
Oh and Fawkirk and Ross County
any more - ma heid hurts trying to think aboot cellic, so it duz!
17 Sep 2013 17:56:18
god are you on again?
@3 rangers lost to Stirling Albion when they were bottom of the 3rd division I don't think we can slag Celtic tbh.
4. ) Yes we can - tbh.
17 Sep 2013 11:34:13
I remember a few years ago - I think Roy Keane was playing his first game - Clyde advertised for advertised for players (they had none) - they were ALL part-timers on about £25 a week and beat the mighty celtic.
What year was that 2006?
Was the manager sacked?
What about when SuperCally owned celtic - Was the manager sacked?
The list goes on!
Yeah but ally has been punted from every cup embarrassingly over a very short period.
17 Sep 2013 14:47:48
if I remeber rightly m8, I don't think that was the Clyde team who toyed with sellik, They had players like Gardyne and the boy who played for Rangers, winger I think, may also have been at airdrie, A few of those players moved on to bigger clubs after that, clyde did have a mass trial for p[layers, may have been Bomber who was manager then i'm not sure, But more importantly m8, this post is asking for sellik fans who can't stay off this site, to barrage you with allys cup flops, really its daft to offer them the chance to jump in en masse and slaughter you and us,
just my opinion
Tommyblue
17 Sep 2013 15:37:40
I thought John Barnes, one of the most inept OF managers ever, got the bullet after Caley went ballistic. I must admit I was gutted as the guy was so obviously useless. (File under another manager who only got the job because of a pal)
Anyway, have went for a £25 double Rangers (4/6) & Milan (1/3). Really can't see it losing.
@troo bloo, barnes was sacked after caley m8 you really have to fix you facts
Was that the first, second or third time SuperCaley gubbed yooz!
17 Sep 2013 11:29:55
If N Lennon loses tomorrow night should he be sacked!
Lennon's job is safe as house's I'm afraid he made the CL, Celtic could lose all 6 games and still make 15 millon pound.
Why are u comparing your "manager" with previous & current celtic managers achievements. ?. "yes" man Ally is not up to the job. Yes he maybe good enuf in the league uz see urself in at the moment but not for the longhaul. Surely even the most passionate of supporters can see having been a legend on thw park in his day. doesn't make a goid or great manager. Just because he didn't " walk away". When the going got tough doesn't or shouldn't be an excuse to get rid. His pay is extreme to say the least & where woyld he walk to??
2. )
Because I am a bit miffed by celtic supporters coming on here asking for Ally's head.
Why are celtic fans so fanatical about everything Rangers?
Are they all becoming Rangers fans - because we get the name from the word fanatical - so I suppose in a way celtic fans are becoming Rangers Fans.
1. )? == In it for the money, nothing else matters.
@2 so true a lot of great players (mccoist)are poor managers and poor players (lennon)are ok managers
17 Sep 2013 14:22:53
@ trooblue. Why would Celtic supporters want to become rangers supporters?. Now that's silly even from you!. I enjoy reading bout your woeful team. Jeez its a drama everyday. Better than any soaps on tv. !
17 Sep 2013 14:24:28
@trooblue "in it for the money nothing else matters" you could be talking about Ally (£1m contract plus bonuses) and your ENTIRE board (lucrative salaries and big big bonuses) Timalloy
17 Sep 2013 14:50:41
see what I mean, you just gave them all an excuse to jump on their keypads and foam at the mouth,
and the guy who enjoys watching us suffer, Do you also enjoy hurting animals m8?
@6, A Celtic supporter saying that even their most hated team Rangers are better than soap, laughed my F"@'n head off.
Tommyblue, lighten up, it's only a bit of winding up from both sides (or at least it should be), I was actually going to go on the Celtic Banter page and join in before I realized they were all on here.
17 Sep 2013 15:26:43
@9. i'm suprised u could spell soap mate. Or did u have to stop your reply & go bk to mine to check the spelling?
@9 I didn't know Celtic fans used soap? Ha.
Just let Celtic get on with it for now. No point in commenting about Lennon's abilities or otherwise. It is only because of Rangers' demise that he is there and Celtic have got in to the CL in the first place. They might have punched above their weight last season but so what? McCoist is in a no-win situation. He is expected to lead Rangers to each league title until we are back in the SPL by never losing a game! Just let the greens get on with it until it is our turn to rule the roost again. They still won't have caught up with our world record 54 titles LOL!
Oh what short mammaries celtic supporters have (sorry should be memories?) - wasn't that long ago that lawwell was looking for an 'adult' for lennon to mentor him - as he was absolute trash, garbage and useless.
Ally's troubles has been like a godsend to inept lennon.
I have bet Rangers to win their remaining league games 125/1, and doubled it up with celtic to lose all their champions league games 11/1.
Any takers
17 Sep 2013 18:04:35
i think you must have found a very silly bookie m8
125/1,?
125/1 to win every game, that's terrible odds, think about it? If Daly, mcculloch and law get injured we are basically back to the same dross as last season.
16. ) If this and if that - oh my how positive are you -- doom n gloom.
I think the odds are very very good. Every game Rangers play they are about 1/6 - they have about 24 games or so left --- take a chance m8 take a chance.
17 Sep 2013 19:53:57
Did you actually look at the odds there. And if you had any common sense you would comprehend that the bookies rate rangers chances of beating all the part timers they Will play as ten times less than the chances of 3 of Europes elite teams beating Celtic twice. Ha ha. Pmsl. You my friend are a tool
Benedict
I am very happy that PP gave me 125/1 for The Famous Glasgow Rangers to win their remaining league games. In all honesty it probably will not happen, but hey life's a gamble, eh? I grabbed the bet with both hands.
And celtic to get beat in every champions league game - well it gives me an interest.
Silly bhoy!
Hi guys I skip all this crap don't rise to the bait
WRTP
@5. Mcoist was no great player. Failed miserably in england and spent the rest of his career in Scotland. Lennon was taken from a successful career in england to celtic. As regards management, Lennon will go on to greater things either at celtic or elsewhere, mcoist will never get another job in management. He is managing at the same level where Ferguson began his career so to compare fergies start at mufc with mcoists in part time leagues is laughable, but keep it up because ;
Altogether now. Ally must stay!
17 Sep 2013 11:29:14
If N Lennon does not win a CL game should he chuck it!
Obsessed with your champions and their championship winning manager
Yep. . .
17 Sep 2013 10:54:40
To me this is the most important game of the season so far tonight, if we lose to queen of the south twice in 2 years ally should chuck it.
??????
I give up.
1. )
It is like trying to blow up a balloon with a hole in it!
You can lead a horse to water.
A balloon with a hole in it,
I think that was the reason I got married.
N3 comedy gold mate brill
17 Sep 2013 10:53:19
if we lose tonite should ally be sacked opinions please
17 Sep 2013 10:32:21
I was born a Rangers fan, I watched us struggle under the legend John Grieg, people have to take stock of where we are. support the team like never before. we have enough enemies. don't bad mouth the team. or the managers. careful what you wish for. I am proud of my team. as the song goes. support them evermore.
To be fair, everyone is entitled to have an opinion about our team, all we can ask is that if we don't agree then (they are taken outside and water boarded) we can offer up an alternative argument (then water board them), great post though.
Being a Rangers supporter means that you are 100% behind the team for the good and bad. I would go to the green and watch Rangers.
We are all on an amazing journey.
All those dissenters should turn up to the home games at Ibrox and feel the passion and see the commitment of the fans, the team and Ally.
Ally is on probation if they lose tonight he will take stock of his situation. Would he leave? I do not think so. It would be difficult for someone else to come in, under the current circumstances.
Anyway, the team will win with their usual style and panache and hopefully get a barrel load of goals.
Come on the Gers - WATP
@ OP @1 @2 What utter drivel. You pay your money your entitled to an opinion. I too remember the greatest Ranger ever's 5 year management disaster and it would have been kinder to Greigy to say enough is enough earlier. Mr McCoist would have been shown up as less than competent earlier had we still been in the premier division. He will like Greigy still be a playing legend but manager just simply no! You are taking denseness and blindly following whatever to a new low if you cannot see that.
@3
Maybe you should listen to your own advice son and let the OP have his opinion too. For me you are living in the past. McCoist will get us back to SPFL that is ALL that matters. Our opinions matter for nothing at the moment, league results are all that count. If there is a cup run then fine, if not move on.
Too many people incapable of looking at the bigger picture for me.
RTID
GDog
Grieg had a better record in the cups and no matter what some people think Ally hasn't got it as a manager. The team will only get back to the top of the game in Scotland once Ally goes. If he doesn't then be prepared for a lot of pain when we get back to the top league
N5 I think when we get back too top league am will give it a season or two then if we don't win top league ally will be moved upstairs and I for one would say he done his job in leading us too top league
17 Sep 2013 09:53:56
Is the game on alba tonight? Cheers. Ruggy bear.
Only the highlights at 10
It's not live but on alba at 10pm.
Yes, but not live, starts about 10pm.
If you can't find it anywhere else, BBC Radio Scotland 810MW ( if you don't want to give support to this broadcaster you could always listen with the sound turned down).
It is not the highlights but the FULL game.
So do not look for the score if you are not going and watch at 10pm.
Full Game on BBC Alba at 10pm
The games on COOLSPORTZ. TV. stream 16
Cajlta. you made me spray my laptop with coffee there lol.
17 Sep 2013 09:52:59
Sometimes I can read the posts on the forums and agree, laugh, cringe or just think "this person is nut's".
The amount of people queuing up to have a pop at Ally and tell the rest of us that he's hopeless and not a Rangers manager should try to remember, this is not a typical Rangers team. It wasn't that long ago that the majority of supporters on the forums were agreeing that he was doing his best with what he had and that we would wait and see what he could achieve when he had better players at his disposal. Now I'm not saying everything is perfect now (far from it) but at least we have seen a major improvement on field since he was given the players he asked for (we also have to remember, he was not allowed to buy anyone, only what was available for free) and surely we now have to get behind him and the team in one common cause "supporting them". Now we must give him the chance that we promised we would, allow him to grow with the team (it's not just players that grow in confidence with a good result) and then, and only then, we can judge. Football (at least on field) is a results driven game and so far this season (with the exception of one game that he couldn't pick any new players) Ally's results have been fantastic.
As a previous poster has already said, be fair, that's all and let's not just wait for the next bad result to come on and say I told you he was rubbish and should be sacked, let's wait until the season is over and see what he has given us. Ally bleeds Rangers blue, lesser managers would have walked away by now with everything going on around them, but remember Ally doesn't do walking away, Legend.
Don't think you walk away from £1m salary plus bonus nice try though ally
OP anyone could win this league in a canter with allys wage budget, do you really think a manager in the 2nd division should be on more wages than the manager that has won the top league?
Surely the debate isn't how much he earns, I thought it was whether he could do the job, as for the budget for the team, you get what you pay for and I'm sure more people would be complaining if he hadn't brought in players or one's that were bellow par to play for Rangers. It seems there are people who will try to hard to find fault rather than not try at all and just enjoy what we have and where we are going, if you want the success and the goals that make it then hopefully that's what he is paying for.
As a direct reply to OP, YES.
I will always believe that the manager of Rangers should be paid more than the manager of cfc as I have stated in earlier post, you get what you pay for.
@4 what are we paying for?
@4 you are the opening posts M8 did you forget?
@2 it's not upto managers what they get paid its the muppets that run the club that stick with standards of previous regimes free spending rangers give mccoist a over the top wage and biscuit tin celtic give Lennon a poor wage but I wish my club had the biscuit tin mentality just now
@6, Just read it back, Sorrrry, meant to direct it to contestant number 2.
Still meant it though.
Op cajita I agree with your posts n4 we are paying through the nose to garentee a run back too top league
17 Sep 2013 08:44:44
Too many posters coming on and bad mouthing Ally and his efforts. Some even mention the 'unassailable' lead they had over celtic.
Let me put it all into a sort of perspective. Remember, hindsight is a magnificent tool that we all use incorrectly. Ally had a lead, however, news of the troubles ahead were all over the internet (tax cases looming, players losing jobs etc etc), gradually it became a front cover media circus.
Whomever leaked the tax case (still under investigation) is totally to blame for the demise of this club - none other.
The Leaked Tax Case, The Enforced Lloyds Bank Sale and then Craig Whyte = Total Capitulation of Glasgow Rangers!
We will always seek the answers as to what happened to our club - they are out there - people are responsible - if not for the tax case being leaked, the debt was manageable, totally!
I think that Lloyds forced the sale because of the tax case, and forced the sale to C Whyte - school friend of the Lloyds Banker on the Rangers Board.
And yet people wonder why Ally has made mistakes, been unable to bring in players and bring stability to the club and his players.
All the rhetoric is mischief making by celtic supporters and so called fair-weather fans.
Get behind Ally and the club. {Ed001's Note - surely David Murray's mismanagement is to blame? No one else ran the club into the ground and left it in such a poor position. No one else put the club into the trouble which caused the tax case. Nothing to do with who leaked it, that is ridiculous.}
Ed, I think what Troo Bloo was trying to get across is that without the leak the manager and players may have been more focused on what was happening on the pitch and not in the boardroom and may (speculation of course) not have dropped so many points so easily. However you look at it and whoever you blame his point about the pressure and restriction Ally was/is under is valid. It has been a painful couple of years for everyone involved and it's only natural that we look for someone or one's to blame but that person should not be Ally because whatever you think of him as manager, as a man he is Rangers and has stood firm, being there for our club when a lot DID walk away. {Ed001's Note - I agree it was not Ally's fault, but to blame the person who revealed the issues is ludicrous. It is deflecting the blame from the one who caused the issues in the first place - David Murray. The man seems to have got away with decimating a football club, with little blame attached. He can't even claim to have lost money, as he was taking money out in fees which far outweighed the amounts he had ever put in and, along with his gross mismanagement, are majorly responsible for the situation Rangers find themselves in now.}
Ed,
Don't let facts get in the way of having a good rant at the world!
LLSMFCF
Ed) I disagree with what you have said.
Mr Johnstone (Rangers Director) has stated, as did Paul Murray, that the debt was manageable, that was until the tax case came along, and supposedly Lloyds Bank forced the sale.
There is a lot of information to come out of all this debacle, but the tax case is pivotal in Rangers demise. {Ed001's Note - yes, but who is responsible for using the tax avoidance scheme? Oh yes, that's right, David Murray! Whichever way you spin it, David Murray is at fault.}
Fact is ally got bumped out of Europe twice also had a team that won 3 titles in a row 15 point lead
Ed, you are correct in what you say and hopefully one day ALL responsible will be exposed and held accountable but let's now look forward and try and enjoy the RISE of our great club (not withstanding a few bumps along the way). I hope we all agree that whatever your opinion, whoever you like or dislike, what we all want for our club is success and progression back to where we belong. Good luck to the boy's tonight, I can previse goals of vengeance.
So who was to blame for the 8 embarrassing cup exits?
If bad press and money worries caused teams to throw away titles you should be bricking it but then again last year you had a bad squad but they managed to win the title despite much worse press if money worries and bad press caused teams to play badly you will be stuck in lower leagues for a while yet because there is lots more to come
rangobango
Ah hello again Mr Bango, nice of you to pop in and see us (have you been kicked off the Celtic forum AGAIN), been reading THOSE bloggs again have we, the thing is no-one really knows what's to come (all speculation at this time), the only men who know the truth aren't telling (must confess that part's a worry). The Celtic supporters who come on here are only doing so because they see Rangers getting stronger, better, bigger and coming their way, I think therefore, it is you who is "bricking it".
N3 I agree with you and ed I think you are forgeting the overseas accounts where legal and above board as was said at tax trial tmwnn {Ed001's Note - maybe so, but the point was that the club's finances would have been on a stable footing, if not for Murray's mismanagement. Then any tax case would not have been such a huge threat hanging over its head.}
17 Sep 2013 09:26:04
Do you think it is healthy for both the Old Firm teams to canter their respective Leagues, what I mean does it help the players, club, fans and Scottish football any good with our two teams winning by high margins in league games.
Celtic Fan
Of course it doesn't but I'd far rather be I'm Celtics shoes than rangers.
If there's no real competition then there's no spark. For us, we have a motivation to get back up the leagues n hammer you again. True ambition to show all the haters we're back. For Celtic it's more a case of "let's see if we can rack up 9 in a row" in a league with no competition. That's not healthy for anyone connected and if you wernt playing in Europe then Iam sure spirit's would drop along with heads. Ruggy bear
Ruggy bear bet you wouldn't saying that when rangers won 9 in a row, apart from the year aberdeen nearly won the league and the last 2 Celtic nearly won the other 6 titles we had no competition.