Rangers Banter Archive January 18 2015

18 Jan 2015 18:49:47
bigwull begining to have my doubts whether you are a rangers supporter with some of the rubbish you have been spouting and the one about peralta being a player just defies belief

Well peralta I think could make a player if given a chance how many players have left ibrox without being given achance and done well elsewhere bedoya for one we could have had craig gordon rather than that dummy simosen dozens have been let go without a chance

18 Jan 2015 20:03:08
Yes - I was wondering if he was actually MA

18 Jan 2015 20:24:10
Zodiac:Fine post mate lol.

Nasty man rangers57

Gkk I see further down the page you said I was poo poin your comments in my posts, listen mate if I caused you any offence you have my apologies mate, I know I can get heated up sometime in my responses, so again mat apologies from me, hope we can still be friends, after all at the end of the day we are all big one family, all wanting the same things for our club

19 Jan 2015 08:19:19
OK mate,sometimes we are worse than wains on here.As you say we want the same thing cheers mate.

18 Jan 2015 17:05:24
The last 4 years really have been demoralising, and I don't see an end in sight.
Even if the club / board is in the right hands it will take some time to sort everything out.
It is depressing so I thought I would raise another topic, which may be slightly less depressing!

We have a lot of players contracts up in the summer and we still have some players that have 18months on their contracts who are a waste of space.

In terms of players who are up this summer it's simonsen, Smith, faure, mcculloch, foster, gasparotto, black, hutton, daly, Miller and Boyd.

Out of them lot I would look to keep mcculloch as a squad player, though not used as a defender. and to work as a coach, as long as he is on lower wages.
Gasparotto as he is a young unproven defender and if he is played next to a good defender then he can develop.
I am not sure about Hutton, as he does ok but that's it.
I don't think it's worth keeping the rest of them.

If you look at when Davie weir was in defence, he was great and he made his defensive partner solid as he told them what to do. I feel rangers need this, as currently we have mcculloch who is not a defender, McGregor is still learning, mohsni isn't a player, and zaliukas is just injured and not that good.

Now I realise rangers have about £2 to their name and we have no idea who the manger will do so this is all insignificant. But I would love to see Carlos cueller back at the club in the summer. He is more experienced now and his contract is up this summer at Norwich. I think you always need one experienced defender. So him in there with gasparotto or McGregor looking to play along side him.

If Boyd, Miller and Daly leave then upfront there is just gallagher and Clark upfront. So it would be good to see one experienced striker and hardie in there as well.

I have no idea what to do with the midfield as in the past we have always had one central midfielder who has dictated play and made rangers tick. For example, Ferguson, Mendes and Davis. But for the last few years we have had black. I have no comment on him!

So despite what would be classed as a large clear out, there are still players on the books which must leave. I understand why they have not left as they are getting paid well. So I can see us being stuck with shiels, mohsni, peralta and Zaliukas for a while unless we pay them off or some person comes in to buy them!!

Obviously all these comments are hypothetical as we have no idea who the manager will be and have no money.

I really hope that things are sorted out with the club in the coming months and rangers set a strict wage budget and focus on youth with a few good experienced players to help them develop.

Cheers

Cbeattie. what the fek a want tae know is who lent them the 2quid. and what is it secured against

Gary it will be Ashley, he seems to want everything eh.

Cbeattie totally agree but would like peralta to be given a run what I have seen of him he may be a player

18 Jan 2015 15:57:36
first thing I saw on ssn news on Saturday morning, a tractor clearing douglas park? I would love to know why Ibrox was never cleared of snow before kickoff, they knew it was going to be abandoned, a farce again from ibrox, can anyone tell me if the clubs still get the fee from sky? and the same again for the replay?, i'm surprised sky haven't asked questions

Hamilton's pitch is plastic, a tractor would have ripped up the grass at ibrox.

Tommy. your quite right m8. why was the snow not cleared. it's quite obvious when you look at it the underground heating was not turned on. as other posters have said. when was the last time a game was postponed at ibrox because of a little snow. an absolute con, farsical, they knew this game was getting abandoned. the big question is WHY. hokery pokery again. Gary

18 Jan 2015 18:57:50
mcc, I never said use a tractor, its not possible to use a tractor at ibrox, I've been going there for over 40 yrs, I have watched the ground staff, and even fans clearing the snow in the past, far worse than it was on friday, how long do you think it would have taken a group of fans, already in the ground, to clear the pitch with large snow shovels, or do we not own them now either,?, maybe green owns the shovels, it stinks to high heavens, I told my workmates at 5pm the game should be called off now, when it was time to go to ibrox I decided the game wouldn't last 20 mins, and chucked it for a beer and the racing, no wonder the chuckle brothers were pissing themselves, hope nobody forgets their sniggering faces
tommy

Tommy 51 I hope you got a turn at the racing mate.

Tommy some people just can't or won't look at what's going on. but that's half the problem

Gary. That's not half the problem, that's the whole problem, if we all agreed we would get rid of the fat chap, and sooty and sweep as well mate.

I was listening to the game and once it was postponed the commentator said the under soil heating had been on all day, just shows how the media try to poison our heads, everything to cause us to arguing with each other, as they will go to any length to cause unrest amongst us.

18 Jan 2015 15:28:10
Just want to say. respect to Jim Murphy Labour leader for suggesting that Mr John Grieg and Mr Billy McNiel be nominated for Kknighhoods. Two highly respected individuals from both sides of the fence.

18 Jan 2015 15:36:15
far better if all Scottish politicians got involved in a serious investigation inti rangers boardroom criminality, they have sat back and done nothing to help thousands of fans who are watching their heritage being torn to pieces by English crooks, before anyone comes on saying its opur fault, get a grip and realise this was all done by intelligent skilled devious "businessmen" who had all angles covered, and yes m8 be good to see JG and BMN knighted

Tommy. I agree with you on all accounts sir.

Tommy, yes my friend you have hit the nail on the head, but to suggest this on this site IDE imagine you will soon have the usual crew on to try shooting you down in flames,

Its certainly a worthy idea but methinks its moe designed to help o help keep labour vote together

18 Jan 2015 19:09:27
george, people need to remember the Rangers fans were kept from the whole truth for years before, all the while legal and binding documents were flying between lawyers offices all over britain and beyond to secure certain "rights" to certain bxxxxxds, we never had a chance to stop them til it was too late, this isn't hearts with a small fanbase, this is a club with voices worldwide, each with a different opinion, it isn't as easy as to do what hearts fans did, and they did well, but my feelings for them changed when I seen their fans gloating at Ibrox on friday, how they forget so quickly, my point is it was all done behind very closed doors, by silent assassins, I feel Ashley has owned us for much longer than we know, or at least more than we thought
tommy

Tommy51 at last I have somebody that agrees with me, lol, we are hard to find on here lol.

Why didn't Murphy include Willie Miller? He meets all the criteria of Greig and McNeill and I say that as a Celtic fan, pure vote pandering because he knows Labour are in trouble. Appeal to the masses and hopefully stop the Labour rout, that is all he is interested in.

Gaz as you say labour will pander for votes, I have voted them all my life, but no more, you won't agree with my reason for changing parties, so it's best I leave my post as that.

18 Jan 2015 11:11:57
Who here thinks the Rangers board will reject this egm request as void due to the fact that Murray and king were both board members of the old Rangers board less than five years ago & that king has been found guilty of criminal charges recently? I don't know why they decided to make this move, just put people who work for you up as nominations (with clean records obviously!).

18 Jan 2015 11:45:48
I asked a few questions yesterday of a simillar nature.Everyone who replied says there would be no way King would proceed without doing his homework.I assume King checked out whether he or Murray would be eligible,it would be an embarrasment if he overlooked such a trivial detail.

It won't be up to the Board but the shareholders. If 51% or more of shareholders vote for the resolutions put forward by King, i. e. to remove the Board, these will be binding. The SFA will need to decide whether King passes the fit and proper person criteria, not that anyone in the SFA would pass such a test anyway! lol. There is always the 3 Bears who could be appointed as directors with King perhaps as Chairman.

18 Jan 2015 12:36:16
I'll take your word that such a rule exists scarecrow(the 5 year one).So the current board can oppose an EGM on those grounds?

Surely shareholders want to see shareholder value and the value of their investment rise. This is not going to happen with an empty Ibrox. The fans hold the real power and it's showing. The downside is we miss out on promotion this year. Pretty despairing thought but one we have to face.

No idea what King's game is here. Ok he might pass a fit and proper person test but I don't see how the SFA can go against the five year rule on directors.

Is this really the way to get the support of as many shareholders as possible?

Would much prefer the 3 Bears calling the EGM and putting forward potential candidates who the SFA can have no problems with. Surely this would have made more sense because as things stand I think it's more likely that King won't win 51% of the vote when the EGM eventually comes around.

18 Jan 2015 14:05:22
Forget King and T3B. Issue is this. Rangers Board are going to accept the £10 mill from Ashley. No one can prevent that now. Ibrox will be used as security. It's an asset and companies borrow against their assets all the time. Once the loan is accepted, the club will need to issue a new tranch of shares, enough to cover the £13 mill that will be owed to Ashley. The original plan was to raise £8mill now it needs to be £13 mill. I don't think that can be done in one tranch? That means Ashley can not be paid back unless the new Directors ( if the EGM is succesful in removing the existing board)pay him out of their own pockets and then how do they recover or secure their loan? Ashley will defer payment on the loans provided the existing directors are left in place or there will be clauses triggered by a change of directors demanding immediate repayment. Ashley has the Board in his pocket. They are covering their own position. Supporters are powerless to change it. This can only come via shareholders and support from the Board which won't happen. Ashley will win this.

I don't agree Johnnymac. Shareholders hold the real power. The Board will be acting in self interests if they accept Ashley's secured loan but even if they do it is money that the 3 Bears and/or King would have had to spend from day one had they wrested control now. It is a debt and if the EGM produces the result we want, i. e. sacking the Board, Ashley's power base will have gone. He will be the major creditor but at that point the new owners (King, 3 Bears) can pay him off. After all, the 3 Bears have been talking about injecting £10m to match Ashley's offer and King has offered £16m already.

Was Dave King or Paul Murray members of the board when it went into administration? I seem to remember them leaving the board before administration.

18 Jan 2015 16:39:57
JHW. I think that DK WAS a member, PM was not but had been, but that is where the 5 year rule comes in. Both were members of the board of a company that went into liquidation. I think the rule may be a stock market rule that forbids them from becoming directors of companies with the same or similar name. It's to stop phoenix trading.

18 Jan 2015 17:38:27
StEddy: Can the current board stop the EGM because of this 5 year jargon? I tried to ask scarecrow,who started this thread, but he has gone AWOL.

None of the old board were kept whyte got rid of them all none were involved in the administration

Quite certan they cannot stop e g m

18 Jan 2015 18:28:14
King is entitled to call an EGM. Board can not refuse. Let me be really clear here, Ashley had the support of the Board. His £10 mill will be accepted. The share issue will be for £8mill as requested by the Board. Insufficient funds will be available to repay Ashley. He will then convert debt to shares and the SFA will he powerless to stop him as he will only be acting in his companies best interests. You Bears may not like it but that is what is going to happen.

Gkk in re to your post at n 10 I would imagine if this was a problem it would arise after the gem, then mr king could replace himself with another family member, as it was his family trust that bought the shares, though I could be wrong, I think the main aim is to remove the cowboys from the saloon, I hope they do this clint Eastwood style. lol

Steady it amasses me that people are trying to keep these people from getting involved through been part of a company that went into administration, oh oh oh wait ha minuet did one of Ashley's companies not go into admin last week, only to be brought out of admin by eh eh eh mr Ashley, putting company into admin for 10million pound of debt, paid back by penny in the pound, so the debt went fro 10million to 100grand, why would he (Ashley)do this last week, the this week offer to loan rangers 10million pound, yip the rich getting richer by hook or by crook, it's ok for Ashley but not for anybody else, people should maybe waken up.

18 Jan 2015 09:23:31
So the supporters trust have had to drop there legal case against Asleys bid for Ibrox and Murray Park, it's all a bit like closing the door after the horse hasn't just bolted its 2 fences ahead all the time. Why take so long to call an EGM Asleys is getting what he always wanted come on the 3 bears and Dave King crack the whip were being well shafted!

Bongo I think they have been advised to drop it as to save more confusion, keeping matters a little more simple, ie instead of lawyers having to deal with paperwork coming from lots of different groups, as the protesting groups are all against the same thing.

There is nothing they can do legally all they would end up with is massive legal bill for nothing

Bigwull how can you say that, when further down the page you say Ashley's offer has not been excepted yet.