Rangers Banter Archive March 18 2014

 

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16 Mar 2014 00:35:21
Ed could you tell me what players are nearing the end of their contracts? Cheers mate.

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{Ed039's Note - Steve Simonsen, Cribari and Andy Little and a number of Under 20s/Youth players)

Not the new I was looking for lol there's a good few under achievers we could be getting rid of to make way for new faces. Suppose getting rid of emilson money grabber acrobatic is a bonus, total waste of a shirt. Do you think little should be offered a new contract? The juries still out for me. Cheers for the info bud.

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{Ed039's Note - Andy Little has had alot of injuries through his career and he always seems to have little niggling ones, but I think if he can be kept on at a convenient enough wage then he is worth keeping on because he works his socks off but maybe young Cal Gallagher and Barrie McKay would be better long terms alternatives)

Disagree about Little I wouldn't give him a new contract. Injury prone and even when fit he hardly scores. Think it's now 17 games since he last scored and that's in league 1. U

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I agree RB that it is a pity there are not more of the deadwood at the end of their contracts but changes must be made to progress. So how is this for a thought. As we will probably be stuck with Ally for next season at least, take this years total players' wages and deduct 10-15%. Then let the manager work to this budget. He would then need to off-load on loan, or otherwise, to bring players in.
The current overspend needs sorted albeit it was caused by Green's regime.
Budget control is necessary throughout the club, so let's hope it's not too late.

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Excellent concept bb, only if the inept ibrox board could implement such an idea, we'd be in a much sounder financial footing than we are now, not saying the wage bill is the main source of our plight but it won't be helping matters. If all the players were out of contract, who would you not like to see get theirs renewed?

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N3 billyb must disagree with your post mate the board nor anybody for that matter could expect to cut players wages when the players wages don't even take up a third of our expences

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Tmwnn, you have not picked up the concept. The total wage budget would be reduced and not individual wages. Costs would be reduced by i] not renewing contracts of players such as Cribari. ii] selling players if suitable or indeed possible. iii] sending players out on loan, even for a %age of wages return. iv. ] or even contract terminations, where any sum paid would come out of the wage budget.
RB, I would think a good manager would have the system he wanted in his mind and select the players to suit. [ e. g. Alf Ramsay's England 1966 team. ]
Unfortunately, we don't have a good manager.

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Billyb my apoligies mate was thinking you meant players that would be part of playing squad excuse my ignorence buddy

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18 Mar 2014 16:35:51
I don't think that many of you on here will agree, but I thought last night's performance was much better than most of what I have witnessed this year. On far too many occasions, particularly at Ibrox, we have appeared to be really nervous when we have the ball. Against Rovers we kept the ball for long periods of time and did not look for the long ball up to Daly at every opportunity. I accept that we did not do that much with the ball and we are in desperate need of a creative figure in the middle of the park, but it was definitely a start. If we want to see a Rangers team play an attractive passing game, then they need to be comfortable on the ball and be able to retain possession for long periods of time. We also need width if we are to break down the teams who play with 11 men behind the ball and the quality of crossing was better last night. I know he is not a favourite on here, but Foster is a far better option than Faure at RB. My best case scenario is that McCoist is receiving a real education in the lower leagues ( a la Fergie at East Stirling), and that the squad will grow in confidence so that even if we can't compete with Celtic we can put out an attractive passing side that people will want to go and watch every week. I know there is a long, long way to go but despite what Walker, McCann or McNamara said, I enjoyed watching a Rangers team pass the ball to each other. It's not Barcelona or even Rangers under Advocaat, but does anyone remember how truly awful we were in the CL under Smith in the 90s (including 92/3)?

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Totally disagree, we passed the ball about with a terrible end product, 4 guys on here could pass the ball about like last nite, Albion rovers never pressed us all night, I found the whole game very boring, the referee could've blew for full time after 76 mins, nothing happened.

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Tell you what. go on YouTube and watch our champions league run in 92/93 and you will see what kind of team we were then. I think you might be surprised. but just in case you haven't a laptop I'll summarise for you. a team who could control the ball n one touch, a team who were all quick, well miby not Scott Nesbit, a team who were hard, a team who were powerfull, a team who swatted Leeds to one side, and a team who were cheated out of the cup final. wee rethink on your post I think!

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The great man in the sky could learn ally tactics every one nows to beat packed defences is down flanks or some one running at defences and drawing players to them and as for holding the ball last night no disrespect to rovers they had there shot at the title in the first game last night

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Sorry poster, we can all have opinions on how the team performs but it must be obvious that we don't perform as a unit. Not only that the standard of our play is poor.
We have some good players not being utilised correctly. We also have some potential in the younger players on the books that any decent manager/coach would have introduced before now.
Unfortunately, we are stuck with McCoist and unless we can sort out the playing system, the sale of season tickets will fall, not because of the board, but due to the standard of our play.
Over the years, when the team was playing poorly we did not go every week and chose our games to suit circumstances. McCoist has been very fortunate that we Rangers fans have shown such loyalty but unless he extracts the digit, season ticket sales will fall no matter what happens off the field.

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I have been saying that for a while macoist is a bigger threat to rangers than the board at the present time because every game is the same mince mince and more mince and every one I know are not thinking of the planned boycott plain and simple they are not going to renew ther tickets and if we get humped in cup it will be ten times worse

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Would be every surprised if season ticket sales for next season are lower than this season.

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Why's that johncass, season tickets are expected to raise, if ally is still manager season tickets will be down, football is an entertainment and we ain't getting value for money.

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And so the price should rise, as we know the championship, will be harder, with better teams than we have played in league 1&2. If someone is willing to pay for a season ticket for league 1&2, then I think they will continue that in the championship. We will soon see

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18 Mar 2014 09:12:49
Anybody that thinks lee Wallace deserves a Scotland call up needs their head examined, I'd look like Messi playing against that kind of opposition last night for the last 2 years, I'm not saying he's not a good player but he's not testing himself enough to get a Scotland call up, also read down the page that most the youngsters have went backwards but so have most of the 1st team, i. e. black, law, Clark and shiels were all their clubs player of the years when they all joined us, now all 4 are slower, weaker and worst players, Daly and templeton are poorer players also and peralta, cribari, foster, Fauré and mosh ain't even players, so whose to blame for the decline?

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Agreed, playing in a part time league he shouldn't be anywhere near the national squad. He like many others have dropped to that level playing these teams week in week out . Will be found out when playing against higher full time opposition, He's probably the third best lb in the country imo.

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@1 who's the two LB's that better than him and also am pretty sure he would do a better job than people that don't even get a game for there clubs

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Robertson and izzaguire. no question. Wallace plays in a part time league 2 years in a row. seen plenty of him In the spl for hearts against full time teams. 3rd best in Scotland. best in league 1. Shouldn't be anywhere near the national team playing at such a low standard. Part time league. Reality check needed!

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@3 - yes izziguire for Scotland, strachan is on the phone to him now FFS

JG

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@3 izaguirre is not better than Wallace nor is Robertson granted Robertson is playing better just now but he's proof the better opposition you play the more you raise your game and now onto Wallace for Scotland I would rather have a guy playing week in week out for his club than have players who can't get a game for ther clubs and also it's generally a player getting played out of position that comes in to play lb for Scotland

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I think youve picked up post wrong jg I think post meant 2 better in scotland not 2 that could play for scotland

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Tmwnn - not too sure about that, read the OP again

JG

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He plays in a part time league so how can anyone playing at such a low level be compared to players playing against full time teams week in week out. Part time league. Seriously reality check guys! seen enough of him at hearts to see he's nowhere near the level of an izzaguire or the boy Robertson who imo will be scotlands first choice lb for the next 10 years +. Again part time league ffs albion rovers brought on an asda employee as a late sub the other week! Lee Wallace is a good player who could do well in the championship down south but the way folk go on youd think he's a world beater! welcome to the real world!

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@ aldair apart from his timw injured at hearts he was one of there best players and also less than a year ago the boy robertson was part time and when it comes to scotland I would rather have somebody who plays every week than have a player played out of position and doesn't get a game for their club

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@aldair has wallace been picked and played fpr scotland since we've been in the lower leagues yes he gas so plpe down with aw the part time lge s**t its got nothing to do with the lge he plays in my point is he good enough to play for Scotland and most peoples answer would be yes

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Sorry but playing in a part time league or full backs playing against top class opposition in the epl? no brainer mate! only way Wallace will make the squad is when rangers get into the spl or if he leaves for a championship club and that would be the right thing to do. Robertson was picked up by Dundee utd ( mystery why rangers or celtic didn't pick him up! ) has made huge strides linked to many good clubs down south and just earned his first full international appearance he's a lad that's going places. Wallace was subject of a failed bid by notts forrest in the region of around 4-500 k? if he was that good someone would have saved his career by now. good player in an abysmal league where the standard isn't much higher than what youl see most weekends in your local park.

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@aldair reality check the whole of Scottish football is guff

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I don't think time out of top league matters that much look at ryan giggs last night he ran the show yet has only played 81 minuets of football since last season finished

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18 Mar 2014 05:35:14
I see MacNamara jumping on the band wagon about unfair advantage because semi at Ibrox will these people ever let it go
Him and his chairman are really showing their true colours no complaints when venues announced when celtic where still in competition afraid to upset lawell me thinks.

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Ur right it's pathetic how they are now complaining about the venue. Did Chelsea complain about having to play Bayern at their home ground? No they just played the game and won. Having watched last nights match don't think they have anything to worry about so don't see what the issue is

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Remember dundee utd are all for sporting integrity when it suits but all the time they are puppets for lawell

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18 Mar 2014 11:21:30
Pretty pathetic stuff and as for their poor ticket allocation I don't seem to recall hordes of DU fans travelling down to Hampden last year for their semi final. Certainly not remotely close to 13,000 of them.

Saying that, our boycott of Tannadice last year was cringe inducing too, Charles Green playing most of the fans like a fiddle and Ally McCoist not even having the gumption to go against him.

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He was just following his chairmans lead last night imo. what did make me laugh was when he was asked about the rangers-celtic semi that was played at parkhead and all he could do was mumble about being injured. it was decided a while ago and nothing was said at the time, that was when stipulations regarding semi final and final venues should have been put in depending on who was playing. ie rangers in semi then it is played away from ibrox or celtic in the final (stop sniggering back there!) it is played away from parkhead. regarding ticket split then I believe that the wigan-arsenal game is 22k wigan and 42k arsenal due to the much higher ST sales that one team has, this is standard practice pretty much across the football world so why is it only a big deal this time?

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Aye that's what it is, Dundee Utd are Lawwell's mouthpiece. do you read what you write before. you post it. give yersel a skelp will ye. PL is more than capable of telling people how it is BUT he more class than that and he just allows the eejits to do the shouting while he does what he is employed to do

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18 Mar 2014 15:37:16
Utd should be asked for a written explanation as to why they had no objections before now. So that evyone is aware of their complaint. Then they should be disciplined after they offer no explanation for their very late objection. Mcnamara is just a very silly boy. The parkhead semi destroys his argument
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Tomblue the parkhead semi actually strengthens his argument because it was a 50/50 split.

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@7 it wasn't a 50/50 split of tickets for the parkhead semi so make sure you know your facts before you start posting comments

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18 Mar 2014 19:29:59
All the smugness in this thread is a bit pathetic. It's quite simple, there was no complaint before now because until we made it into the semi ibrox was a neutral venue. Now we are in the semi its not a neutral venue. I'm not backing utd's attempt to move the venue but it's easy to understand where they're coming from without resorting to some anti-gers motivation. How does all this sit with the theory that the sfa are anti-gers too by the way? And @4, wigan get more than half the tickets arsenal get, but utd get less than a third of what we get, why do you think that comparison justifies the situation?

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For once charles was 100%right and if thompson wants to sit with utd support let him and I hope somone puts a laxitive in his pie and he surrounds hiself in California

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Utd would struggle to sell 50%o f tickets for a game at tannadice never mind anywhere else

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By the way rangers never complained and if they were going to complain it would have not been in the media

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The sfa should give them 50 percent of tickets non returnible money up front see if they are still wanting half of the tickets then that's the easiest way to sort this debate

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19 Mar 2014 07:30:04
@13 actually the easiest way to resolve the debate is for the sfa to climb down and just give them a fair allocation of tickets. They won't though, because the only rationale for the allocation is that they are trying to give us a helping hand. Embarassing. And judging by the smug tone of posts above there are plenty of bears who are gleefully happy to accept it. Probably the same ones who complain about an anti-gers agenda at the sfa at other times. Pathetic.

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@9 I'm not saying it justifies the situation, I am saying that an uneven split is a very normal occurrence and more is being made of this than would normally happen. after the SFA statement saying that dufc refused a larger allocation on the grounds that they wouldn't be able to sell them it just makes dufc and the chairman look a bit amateur, although he has came out and said the SFA were "economical with the truth" so in short they were lying. This could get very interesting

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@11 great idea.

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Pauline I think your on your own there in thinking mr lawell and the rest of the sfa are doing us a favour if dundee utd think they can sell more tickets than there allocation give them the tickets on a non returnable basic that's the most sane way to solve any issues

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20 Mar 2014 02:09:56
@7 Sweep, Try reading before you put ure fingers into overdrive pal,
Firstly, I was talking about their objection to Ibrox as a venue, not the ticket allocation,
2ndly the semi at Parkhead wasn't 50/50,
you really ought to engage before you mouth off
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20 Mar 2014 07:13:27
@17 just think its a very strange way to try to do us down, giving us ibrox and a huge crowd in the cup semi. My mind can't twist round far enough to see that as further proof of an anti-rangers conspiracy at the sfa. Happy to be on my own on that one.

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Pauline I think its fairly obvious the sfa never thought we would reach the semis that's my take on it for what its worth

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