Rangers Banter Archive May 18 2012

 

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18 May 2012 13:05:24
Was just wondering if the Ed knew anything about when John Fleck comes back from Blackpool or was he permanently sold? {Ed003's Note - Back after tomorrows game,it was a loan }

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18 May 2012 23:22:03
We have no audited accounts in yet .if newco then that is what it means ...No history .And Green well he keeps saying no chance of cva Now saying the deal was no cva and he gives the shares back to whtye...We my friends are being sold out .

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This no history thing is rubbish, if the sanctions imposed on the club carry on as the spl and the sfa have claimed post newco then it stiill has to be the same club.

How can a new club be punished for something if it's just formed? Rangers would either be a new club and face zero sanctions or be the same club are carry the fines/ban over.

As much as the Celtic fans may want it both ways they can't have it like that.

Oh and not one single football club in the wold has lost it's histroy doubt Rangers would be the first.

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See all this losing history nonsense is really doing my head in.Bottom line is its celtic fans saying our history will be gone of course they would because then they would be happy in there own wee world because there team would be the best.But sorry to burst your bubbles it does not quite work like that see these things really happened they are writen down in black and white they are etched on the mind of all rangers fans young and old see that is what history is.And secondly even if we do become a newco in the history books it will say a team called rangers are the most sucessful team in scotland until such time as your lot overtake that tally which would take about 10 years lol bet that hurts we could be extinct for a decade and we would still be the most sucessful team in scotland now that is funny.

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@2; Dont you think thats a pretty pathetic post? Extinct for a decade might be the least of your troubles.............green jhedi

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Green jhedi how could being extinct be the least of my worries if we r extinct there wont be a rangers to worry about therefore i wont have any more worries regarding rangers my life will continue the same way it always has.And u have the hard neck to say my post is pathetic honestly engage your brain before u start typing s--t

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It wont take 10 years to overtake,if found guilty of Ebt's,the title and cups won will be stripped immediately(SFA rules)

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18 May 2012 22:08:16
Bears, looking good for next season, have a good feeling about Mr Green he says it as it is. I like the way he has torn up the ticketus contract, its about time we started fighting back against these creditors who are dragging our great club down. From what he says i think there will be at least some money available to strengthen next year. As Bob Struth said we only get stronger when we look weaker in strength, I wont be going to any away games next year as i want ally and the team to know im supporting them all the way. The thims cant dont like it went we dont do walking away. WATP

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Creditors who are "dragging you down"?? WTF!! Have you lot never heard of paying your dues? You were quite happy to use the services of all these creditors when it suited you but now you want to fight back. But hey!! Wait!! This is the mighty Gers, the known universes greatest club. Get a grip. It's comments like this that will finish any chance of a CVA.

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He didnt rip up the ticketus deal, that was part of the formality prior to them becoming an official creditor in the CVA!!!

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Creditors means people you owe money too. they want their money back. as for dragging your great club down, thats been done.

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Is this a wind up r u oaf yir nut tell me ye are jokin tommy

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Strengthen strange one transfer embargo can't sign anybody ... Kenny bluenose

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The creditors are dragging your club down. Unbelievable!
Liah Smit

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Okay,have you heard Green,s latest nonsense? Fighting back against people YOU owe cash to?Money to add to the squad,how? YOUR BANNED! but by far the best,BOB STRUTH! really? Hilarious,you must be a Tim..............green jhedi

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I really hope that is a bad joke, how can we fight against somebody that gave us cash in good faith, imagine trying to do a deal with some of the teams we owe money to or what about the people that need our money just to keep heads above water,i run my own buisiness and get big contracts when im lucky and work hard if they never paid out it could finish me, supporters like you we dont want unless ur attitude changes we have had enough people trying to ruin my club.
craig+babybear

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8. Good post. you understand. Same goes for the tax. Taxpayers money was used to run the club. normal business avoidance is ok. But not this. Sfa were lenient.

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Whose to say it was not ripped up because green wants to trouser the cash for himself i think as gers fans we should be very wary with anyone involved with our club.Because i think we would be kidding ourselfs if we thought we were home and dry still along way 2 go before that happens

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18 May 2012 19:59:41
Wow. Charles Green. Sign up for the mystery tour. what absolute rubbish he spouts, investors who do not want to be named?? what?? and the only two people he has names, well one is untraceable and the other runs a hotel!! room service please. ho ho ho.

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This guy green is gonna finish what Craig whyte started!

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Just surmising, green has stepped in since whyte got the sine die. Where was he during all the other deadlines ? Bk lots a and b after months of work just walk away, no pun intended, miller supposedly bid without looking at the books.
Meanwhile the club is losing millions.
The way this is going the far east connection will be the Chinese takeaway bags blowing through govan.

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18 May 2012 19:50:02
in response to mouthpiece Andy Kerr - "over the years" you have bought players from scottish clubs. I'd like to see that list and the money you've pumped back into Scotland.
When preparing that list, also map
out the players that you've not actually
paid in full for and the ones that you cheated small teams like Dundee out of.

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18 May 2012 19:10:53
This is my team for next season if transfer ban lifted might be a bit optimistic!
Alexander
Goian Bocanegra Whitbread Wallace
McCabe
Hutton Fleck
Aluko
Owen Naismith

Manager: Holloway
Captain: Bocanegra
Subs:
Adam (GK)
Skrogsud (CB)
Bedoya (MID)
McCulloch (MID)
Healy (STR)
Hemmings (STR)

Transfers:
Zak Whitbread (Free)
Michael Owen (Free) Yes I am an optimist
Thoughts?

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Can't have Owen, not allowed AnY transfers even frees.

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My thoughts are your effin mental
the tiger - dear oh dear

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What about ness?

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Holloway won't touch rangers job, plus we still have that 12 million black hole Mr tight spoke about, rangers won't challenge again for years, get used to it.

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Are you a stand up comedian???

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Holloway you aff your heid mate he's not good enough for rangers and the fact he could possibly getting another crack with Blackpool in the prem

Cranny

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18 May 2012 18:51:07
radio snyde at it again, three tims on the panel and almost every caller a septic one, well done lads a great advert for impartial reporting!!!!! not........

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Why listen then?

1903

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Im afraid gers fans are missing the big picture..If ebt's are proven,and the evidences is mounting via Hugh adam and other sources..then the player concerned is ineligible,the penalty for fielding an ineligible player is a 3-0 forfeit (SFA rules),and the Ebt's go back 20 years ...GRFC simply will cease to exist..there is no other solution

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18 May 2012 17:39:24
Just read...
A RANGERS fans’ group last night appealed to Allan McGregor, Lee Wallace and Steven Whittaker to withdraw from the Scotland squad.

“Sandy Jardine suggested he would hand back his Hall of Shame award and it has been suggested others should do the same.”


I dont agree with this...we got into
this mess and we cannot blame other
groups.

Lets look inside first....
Who is behind EBT...
Who never paid PAYE...

These actions can kill a business and
need a major review...not the SFA faults

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These rangers fans groups again!
How dare they put pressure on anybody to snub their country.
I will be happy to see the gers boys represent their country. They are a waste of time and are certainly not representative of the fans or any I know. This will be the same lot that demand no season ticket increase when we need everything we can get

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To the last poster ..so what if a gers player gets a real bad injury playing for scotland and is out for the season yet we cant go into transfer market to replace them as we are banned by SFA

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@2: What if they're injured in September for 3/4 months or in February for the rest of the season? Wouldn't make any difference. You'll just have to hope it doesn't happen.

1903

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These fan groups chairmen are an embarrassment,and i personally want nothing to do with them.
What tangible leadership have they shown during this whole sorry saga?
Previously optimistic bear

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What right does anybody have to deny a player the chance of a cap. If they get injured then tough luck, at least the SFA will have to recompense us for a change

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They pull out of the scotland squad and thats their international careers over......fans wont want them back! Disgraceful Request!!

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I agree that they should refrain from playing for Scotland but for one reason only. What if they get injured. Gers cant replace them.

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18 May 2012 17:28:39
Good evening wounded (almost extinct)IA bears....So what choice would yous take when yous return as lazarus fc..Option1......Accept penalties(&these could be EXTREME when EBT verdict is announced)for past rule breaches by oldco......Or Option2......Accept newco is a new entity with no history& titles from oldco????stevo

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Stevo.......do you live alone?.......do you not think you should speak to somebody about this?.......like an addiction counsellor!.......let me make this clear for you (and dont go doing the Goldfish thing and come back tomorrow and ask the SAME question you ask every night)....filling out a new form at Companies House will do NOTHING to the History of Rangers......its just a wee bit of paper.....now go and talk to one of the neighbours....maybe have a wee cup of tea...you`ll be fine.....

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Stevo - first it was the big tax case then it was liquidation now it is EBT and newco - what will you be clutching at next?r

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I like what you did there Stevo , allude to the illusion of choice . RFC fans aside , the world and his dug know they're to be liquidated and they don't have the required audited accounts to obtain a license for the DIFFERENT CLUB to enter either the SPL or SFL .

Ignore the pleading , moaning , denial and finger pointing .
Ignore the " lets go to England " , " a big boy did it and ran away " , " wishful thinking , timmy " and "WATP" empty rhetoric
Ignore the Blue Knights ,Tow truck Knights , Singapore Knights and Green Knights with their talk about saving the club and warchests ( no laughin at the back , please )

This is a liquidation event . Nothing more , nothing less . Its over . A CVA would raise about a third of what liquidation would . How many of the companies owed money , would accept that ?

Look at Ticketus . Owed 25m or thereabouts .
An 8p in the pound CVA would get them 2m back
Liquidation would see them get just over 6m

There will be no more Rangers . Try Govan Utd or Kinning Park Pheonix . My money is on " Southside Citrus Strollers "

jimi88

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So your thinking is,tawdle down to companies house fill out a form& still rfc..pmsl.lmao.listening to too many drums banging seems to have affected your brain..stevo

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How many times must this guy Stevo be told,you can not change history,his post is now history it happens all the time we can not change history it would be nice,no world wars for one but it can not be done.

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@3) Jimi........sorry.....but there will always be a Rangers........and you love us really, thats why you stalk us on our Rangers site..........keep chasing....we welcome it..........cmon, chase me Jimi!....chase me........ha ha !

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A well jimi88 and all the celtic minded trolls that cant keep off a Rangers page for their 2 mins of gloating every night how are you going to cope when all your doomsday predictions fail to materialise as they somehow always do?

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Dont get me wrong im all for banter but sometimes i need to scroll back to the top of the page because i start to worry i have entered another site THE WE HATE RANGERS SITE.Honestly STEVO and jimi get a grip of yourselfs and get a life.History is writen down in books in papers in hundreds of years time people will beable to find out about a team called rangers and they will beable to find out they were the most sucessful scottish football team of their time.That is history bhoys so grow a pair and except reality you dellusional little bhoys.

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18 May 2012 16:11:39
hi level meeting going on at ibrox , strathclyde police at this meeting , dont know for 100% why the police are there , but a rangers also had computers removed at lunch time , the rumour going round the ibrox office is that rangers are going too be in trouble if there is any truth that mr murray had the phones off certain clubs tapped , [ed do you have any info on this ] please hope this is not true

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Lol OH MY GOD to think someone actually took the time to type this gumff! lol

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Feel sorry for OP OBVIOUSLY the mushrooms have kicked in and hes helusinating dont worry m8 they will wear of soon.

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18 May 2012 17:06:52
i hear there is a "panorama" episode to be aired next week,dishing more dirt about the shambles rangers find themselves in...where or when is this going to end??...rumour has it that murray had fergus mccann's phone tapped,although i find this hard to believe i wouldnt put anything past him now,our once great club is fast becoming an embarassment thanks to murray and whyte

ian...perth

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To Ian in Perth support an honourable team that did really well last season St Johnstone.

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When is it going to end? depends on how badly your club was cheating....like ppl keep saying go after murray and find all your answers, and if you do dont be afraid of learning about how your legends brought your club to its end.

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18 May 2012 16:52:03
Rusty the tim here!!just a thought,do you think Craig whyte is still holding the aces here?this deal isnt done and won't be completed unless a cva is approved!if no cva is agreed Craig whyte has said he will only sell on condition of a cva! IMO I think a cva won't be accepted and then whyte liquidates them for no money to carry on.(he may end up a winner yet)why would you go thru all this hassle to sell for £2???interesting!!!hail hail rusty the tim!!

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Liquidation liquidation bears spewing across the nation enjoy the sensation!! stevo

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Well in the name of the wee man!
I can't actually believe i'm agreeing with a Rusty post! lol
But after listening to Charles Green's rediculous statements this week,and the fact a cva won't be agreed, uncomfortable and bizzare as it is, he's actually right for once.
Radio Clyde tonight...The "Irevocable" deal with CG and Cw is dependent only on a cva being agreed.If not Whyte will still be owner. Result...Newco. We're gubbed,i'm afraid.
Previously optimistic bear.

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18 May 2012 16:36:21
Never mind buying players we need a world class scout to get players under 18. Give youth a chance for the year support them not moan at their every miss placed pass and we will reap the benefits the following year !! Change of attitude is needed in Scotland and we should start it with world class facilities like murray park

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Start by renaming that park.

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18 May 2012 16:05:16
The new BBC show on Rangers situation, which airs
next Wed, has evidence that Murray had
Fergus McCann's phone tapped.

This was the reason Murray tried to prevent
the show from being aired but it was thrown out
so would guess Mark Daly has done his homework
and has the evidence. Maybe Sir David Murray
wont be a sir for much longer

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How do you know there evidence? It only seems to be Celtic fans who are coming out with this allegation. If there is evidence, why broadcast it in a documentary? Why not go the respective body with the allegation and provide them with the evidence?

TTG

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Ok. I'm a Celtic fan, I read this site as it's the best place to guage the feeling of what's going on at Ibrox without having to dive into the horror and bile that is Follow Follow and Rangersmedia. This seems a very dubious claim. I am under good authority that the reason that David Murray wanted an injunction was that the program showed five ex Rangers players on tape admitting they were payed by extra means. Apparently Murray was successful in getting the BBC to remove these interviews. I do however feel the following...
If what you say IS true, and that David Murray DID tap Fergus McCann's phone then this would be sensational news of the highest order. Celtic fans would be up in arms and rightfully so. This would also prove that Rangers sank to the very depths of cheating to gain an advantage over their rivals. It would prove that Rangers never thought they were as good as Celtic as they had to cheat and would open a whole pandoras box full of worms. This truly would shake the foundations of football in Scotland. Like I said though I am dubious of the claim and will wait to see if there's any solid proof before going for the jugular. If it is true though, UEFA, SFA, SFL and anyone else will blow Rangers off the face of the Earth.

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I almost hope that the McCann taping is true, maybe then Sir D M will be doing time, and hope that CW is in the next cell

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@ 2.) what the hell are you on when you say rangers never thought they were as good as celtic??were you alive before or during sdm reign as rangers chairman? or do you even know the history of scottish football BEFORE sdm took over at rangers? we have always been and will always be the gallant pioneers of scottish football.do you think baxter greig johnstone henderson gazza laudrup mccoist cooper albertz numan or brown to name but a few ever thought they were inferior to any opposite number at celtic ? get a grip rangers might of been run badly at the top of late and its easy to have a go at us just now but if this stuff is all coming out now and its news to you and all in the media do you seriously think any fan,player or manager of rangers knew what was going on ? a very much doubt it.

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@4; when you finish your rant,how many titles did your gallant pie eaters win in the twenty years before murray pitched up?.......green jhedi

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G j have you been on the rangers web site checking out the stats? for the record four titles but just like Bill Struth said we welcome the chase!always will be the most decorated club in scotland.

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Did you ever see john grieg playing ? if rangers had a tenner for every time jinky had that man kicking at shadows youd never had heard of craig whyte. the point of the post was that rangers domination of that period (not griegs !) was fuelled by money the club did not have and is now unable to pay back. hence they knew they had to cheat. thats why they are bankrupt, thats the word not takeover. the debt has just been passed around and ended up mainly with mih or lloyds and ticketus. even the reduction from 80m to 18 m is phoney. according to the ticketus figures thats 16 years season ticket money. rangers didnt make that kind of money. it was moved onto mih.

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@6; No,just old enough to remember the sorry state rangers were in pre souness. I dont remember any shouting about the gallant pie eaters then.........green jhedi

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"we have always been and will always be the gallant pioneers of scottish football"...are you kidding me? even with everything coming out you say this, dont you think you should save that until ALL comes out? cause already you should have been kicked out of the league but only got a transfer band. you may have more titles but now they are tainted(the real meaning of tainted) and will always be in question. and i believe Celtic is more well known and welcomed every where in the world for thats what i hear from ppl. but maybe once your club folds that whole debate would be done for it seems the one true better club is going to stay and indeed be the better club won.

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NO9 we only got a transfer band cool what r they called socks n boots lol.Honestly thats how desperate u r to have a pop at rangers that u just make your own posts sound stupid.Now calm down and check your spelling before sending it.Because maybe then it would sound intelligent and we might actually take an interest in what u have to say

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18 May 2012 15:28:29
two facts for you:

Charles Green is refusing to name the people behind his consortium of twenty 'parties' who would be owners of Rangers
AND
Craig Whyte is leaving Rangers with just £1 profit

does anyone else think this is just a co-incidence?

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Charles Green has just named two of the investors.......

TTG

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@TTG; Does it not seem like Green is a fund manager? Has he ever said if he is investing?......green jhedi

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18 May 2012 15:27:28
I think it's now 7 months since last October and the FTTT. 7 months for the tribunal of judges to come to a judgement. I know it's a little complex but 7 months of deliberation really is a big much.
Anyone would think they were sitting back waiting to see what happens with the other issues at Rangers. Which would be wrong. The BTC result is surely imminent?

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18 May 2012 14:56:36
Good Day Fellow Bears…… (Peddlers of the black art)
Its great being a bear.
 Rhys McCabe
 Jamie Ness
 Kyle Hutton
 Ross Perry
 Darren Cole
 Chris Hegarty
 Kal Naismith
 Barry McKay.
We need to accept there will be no new faces at Ibrox next season, these guys are the future of our beloved club so let's support them on and off the field, in the big scheme of things these guys are just kids but playing in front of almost 40 to 50 000 fans week in week out they will soon become worthy of the ganzie, (jersey) so lets get behind the team and the wee man as we aim to rebuild and win our title back, we also need some players to step up to the mark and show there metal: Hemmings, Bedoya, Ortiz and especially Fleck I do believe that Fleck can shine given that he applies himself to the cause, cos he can play, we know that for sure.

And Lafferty, get a grip man.
Looking forward to a brighter new beginning bear…
Les get our heads around making Ibrox what it was back in Jocks day, teams feared playing there so come on and put all this past whiles nonsense behind us and make it so once again.
Rosehearty True Blue….. Rangers till I die…………………………………..

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18 May 2012 15:19:11
So Ticketus is left to chase whyte. Good. Rangers are still in SPL. Good. Some of the loudmuths want to noise up the other teams in spl: does anyone else thing we are making ourselves 11 aberdeens? Things are looking better, now lets hope the idiots stop letting us down

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18 May 2012 15:14:18
A lot of Rumours on here and elsewhere about SDM and a documentary supposedly on Wednesday ' Who sold the jerseys?'
If it is proven that he did the things alleged whilst Owner and Chairman of Rangers, for the benefit of Rangers, is that not trying to fix football results? Using underhanded means?
What will be the ramifications for the club?

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Oh go back tae bed before you hurt someone.... Match Fixing??

Troll somewhere else mate

Rikkisixx

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Yes. And the HMRC have also visited BBC headquarters in Glasgow to see the documentary before it's aired. They also recieved a full written report for legal purposes. And before you ask, HMRC weren't at the BBC to check they had payed their taxes.

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Why would hmrc want to know if sdm was listening in to mccans dirty phone calls?

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@3; Dirty phone calls? pathetic.........green jhedi

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@3. It's pretty obvious the HMRC weren't there to listen to Fergus' phone calls. They were there to view the documentary in full, unedited, before it is aired. They now have a written report detailing 5 taped interviews with ex Rangers players, two of them believed to be De Boer and Flo, admitting they were paid by additional means and that when asked if they were EBT's and were the EBT loans paid back, they said no. This is the crux of the documentary. This will add to the case of probability that HMRC need. Remember, the HMRC don't need to prove organisations guilty in these cases, they just have to prove probability.

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18 May 2012 13:25:40
Good Day Fellow Bears…… (Peddlers of the black art)

Come on lads, we cant keep on whinging and moaning about the sanctions levied on us, I don’t like it any more than you do, however right now that’s our lot, all this boycotting and protesting aint going to do us a whit of good, no not one little bit… We have had great wrongs done and all in the name of Rangers. I know these people should be brought to account, but ask yourself this… how deep dose the knife cut.

The thing is this and other chat forums are full of experts on all things tax, liquidation, how to accurately and fairly levy out punishment, so yes its always going to be a loosing battle, so lets take it on the chin and get on with our lot, support the team we have, I think they will do a good job this coming season, and we cant expect our senior players to not do a turn for the national team come on…

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Only a bitter poisonous nasty moron would call for club players of any club not to play for their national team. Utterly disgraceful.
Serving the nation always comes before the club.

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18 May 2012 12:43:29
Man alive! Reading this site is becoming hard work. We need a reality check.

Did Rangers do wrong? Not as a whole but those allowed to run our club did! Fact!

Should the fans be punished? No. But the club should be. Unfortunately the fans have to suffer as a product. Unfortunate fact!

Did we cheat by having better players than we should? IMO no! Did Celtic cheat when Dermot Desmond paid personally for Robbie Keane to go to Celtic bcause Celtic couldn't afford? No. Did Man City cheat when the Sheik put more cash than the club could pay back in? No! We thought we had found a legal route to afford more. We (SDM) were wrong apparently.

However we have been left with a number of indescretions by those in charge.

Now you have all these suggestions on how to react!

1) Players quit international team = lower value due to inexperience = Rangers Suffer!

2) Boycott Away games? = Other clubs boycott us = Rangers Suffer!

3) March here there and everywhere = Rangers get chastised when idiot element get carried away = Rangers Suffer!

4) Cancel Sky = SPL lose money so we get less too = Rangers suffer!

We are where we are! Unavoidable fact!WE DID WRONG! Unavoidable fact!

If we stay in SPL with transfer embargo lets not cry about it! I love my team and will support every player who pulls the jersey on!

I would rather watch top players but if its youths its youths! AS long as we survive I don't care!

This is the hardest of times but this is where we can show ourselves as the best of people!

In adversity we can rise back up. I for one do not do walking away! No matter who is against me. We are the people! Simply the best! Forever a blue nose no matter who the opposition are! Through thick or thin.

Bluegenius!

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Your Keane argument is stupid.If Mr Desmond wants to pay a players wages thats up to him.When the UEFA fair play rules kick in he cant do it.Then;ok,now not ok..........green jhedi

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Green Jhedi!

Its not an argument. My point is only that if ANY club finds a way to improve their staff outwith their normal budget without dire financial consequence they do it! (obviously financial consequence has occured in our case due to bad judgement)

This is not cheating!

Many clubs and companies used EBT's with the impression that it was a valid way to pay less tax.

Not trying to de-fraud anyone.

bluegenius

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@bluegenius;If you pay a player,who you normally could not afford,using a side or second contract,which is against league rules,then you are cheating.You seem to forget rangers accepted the 24m estimate from HMRC.You are appealing the penalties and fines,not the sum owed.That 24m is unpaid taxes,which again,was for players you could not afford.How on earth is that not cheating?........green jhedi

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Im not disagreeing there is tax owed. My assumption is that at the time they though EBT's to be legal and correct and therefore a legitimate way to go. On reflection they were wrong and the tax is owed and should be repaid! However as stated if they thought legitimate then they were not trying to cheat.

As for the second contact situation I'm not really aware of the truth or implications here to comment.

I would hope that this was not an intention to decieve but if it was then there should be some form of further punishment!

Bluegenius

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You were doing ok there till you started with the we are the people garbage.....col

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To OP quite liked most of your point but have to agree with GJ about the EBTs, as has been said before when Celtic were considering this scheme (I believe Juhnino was paid this way) Brian Quinn said it was bad business practice and had it rectified and back taxes paid surely if this was obvious to him Murray and his advisers knew the risk but took it anyway, a gamble that never paid off now is the time to pay for the success had then.
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Well said bluegenius. He isnt aware of the truth or implications to comment either. Your saying it how it is but hes too bitter to accept that. Can you please provide some proof of these second contracts green bawbag? If not kindly shut up.

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My understanding of the EBTs is that it was the way Rangers used them that was wrong, not the using of them.
Whereas this season, by withholding money from HMRC, football clubs and others allowed Rangers to hold onto players they would not have otherwise been able to. Should there not have been a mass exodus in the January window when the club was living well above its means with other peoples money and plunging towards administration. Playing teams who you owe money to using their money to fund your own team. Are these not cheating?
Al

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If we couldn't afford these players then they wouldn't have been here. End of. That is a flawed argument by fans of other clubs who are/were jealous of our success.
EBT's were believed to be a legitimate (at that time) means of saving tax. Just the same as Tony Blair paying 300000 tax on a 14 million income last year. These people try every (legal?) trick in the book to pay less tax.
I am sure Mr Desmond pays as little tax as he can get away with... does that mean he should be castigated the way Rangers are?
Blue Knows

PS I apologise if I've missed something but when did Rangers accept this 24m estimate? I've only ever heard rumours and assumptions about every aspect of that case.

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@7; What are you talking about? Do you know anything about your club? You deffo owe at least 24m to HMRC regarding EBT's.On the dual contracts,who knows?But the evidence would suggest this formed part of a players salary.Ask your tiny mind this;All your "legends" who used EBT's,why have NONE came forward to say it was a loan? Oh,try and lay off the name calling,it's really childish.Or are you seven?.........green jhedi

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OP. mr. murray knew exactly what he was doing with the ebt thing. it was all kept quiet for a long time. robbie keanes wages payment was in the papers before he signed. the catch 22 with rangers' ebt thing is :
the ebt is a payment (loan supposedly) which avoids taxation.
it cant be in the contract or it would be taxed, therefore why go to the bother and expense of having an ebt ?
so it's either pay tax or have an uncontracted payment. by choosing the ebt the player is not eligible to play under sfa and uefa regulations.
arguments anybody ?

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@9. End off? Get a grip. You clearly couldnt afford Jelavic you still bought him. You couldnt afford the wage rises you gave your better players at the start of last season, yet they were still there. No tax was paid so you could afford to continue running. Pedro

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Green bawbag could you please provide some proof to back up your 24m owed argument! like I asked! "on the dual contract,who knows?" Pretty sure you said we were using dual contracts which was cheating? You dont seem to have scooby what your on about do u! I think u need to take a few days off mate. Spend some time with the family, it cant be healthy sitting behind your laptop trolling rangers forums all day!

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@13: the FTT is an appeal against other charges etc. over and above the £24m. Just google it for 5 minutes and you'll find out.

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Some people claiming to be Rangers fans know nothing about their club. The appealthat we are awaiting the verdict on is about additional penanties and fines regarding the mis-use of EBTs. Rangers have already been found guilty of using them illegally. In principle, EBTs are loans, i.e. meant to be paid back. Rangers used them as a means of paying higher wages never meant to be paid back. If you want a reference about these fact, try listening to the sports reports on radio, tv or check the internet.
Al

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18 May 2012 12:34:17
Rusty the tim here!!ok rangers fans should I not pay my bills or taxes because the countries in meltdown!!it wasn't my fault but I'm suffering with higher gas,electricity etc bills!no ive got to pay my way!!David Murray and Craig whyte got you's into the mess,yes they did but they owned the club so it's a club in whole that gets punished!let's cancel sky,boycott games etc seriously get a grip,it's no 1 else's fault apart from rangers(not you supporters)but rangers as a whole!!p.s what happens if the other 15 people don't invest?think there is probably 20 people wanting to invest but I think there's conditions that he isn't telling you!!hail hail rusty the sensible tim!!

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18 May 2012 11:51:38
You lot still dont get it!
Why are Rangers being punished?
You have bought players with money you didnt have, or should i say shouldnt have had as the money was owed to HMRC and other teams and businesses. Not you lot though, you continued to buy players(Wallace,Jelavic, Celick etc) who you probably knew you were never going to pay for in full. You wonder why the club is being punished and not individuals? Well i can tell you......its called cheating, and i learned from an early age, cheats never prosper.
You won last years title with players you couldnt afford and once the EBT scam hits home that number may rise to 8 or 9 titles. Yet you call our title tainted.
Delusional!!

Joeshmo1888

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Are Celtic not in debt as well as most football clubs . Rangers ran out of money because of poor management whom we are trying to get rid of so a new owner can pay off these debts.
So your logic is totally flawed

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So was it Celtic fans who brought the club to it's knees in 1994?Or was it the board?The club gets punished., either way...we'll take what's coming....we won last year's title because Celtic's bottle crashed, among other things, same as your win this year was hugely influenced by the turmoil at Rangers from the start of the season...but there's little doubt that losing Niasmith and Jelavic affected things more....and no more bollox about the 15 point gap....you had games in hand, and both OF teams have overturned major deficits historically....Soueness was 9 points behind in old money in his first season, and still won it....Celtic will be shown as winners on record books, so hey ho, but we won't lose any titles either, regardless of what happens, so the same record books will still show what they show...just have to add it all to the Dossier , so that you can pull it out in years to come when no-one gives a sh*t..

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It's the level of debt.Is Celtics debt manageable;yes. So your argument is flawed...........green jhedi

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Rangers were sold with 18 million of debt. Whyte then put us in 25 million of debt with Ticketus and never paid any tax or NI or countless other bills in the year he owned us. Our level of debt was perfectly manageable before he came along.

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@4; How was your debt manageable if you had a 10m shortfall?........green jhedi

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10 million shortfall? according to who? whyte!! rangers reduced their debt from 35 million to 18 million in the three/four years previous to whyte whilst still signing players , paying all bills on time and most importantly still winning titles and cups so how did this happen with a ten million shortfall ? celtic fans seem to take a very unhealthy interest in everything rfc these days

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18 May 2012 11:50:43
Good morning greetin' Bears!
Who have you all decided to blame today for your terrible past behaviour?
I only ask because it seems to be someone new all the time.
How about......David Murray and his band of not-so-merry men? lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Chrisbhoy we aint blaming anybody for oor mess we aint in a mess our football team is beleive u me my finances r fineso thats the first point oot the way.To u and the rest of the dellusional celtic fans out there EBTs were only in force from 1999 to 2007 i think rangers only won 2 or 3 titles between this time so stop wishing for titles to be taken away from us because even if they r we r still more sucessful than your team.Now i know that really upsets u but thats the facts of life grow up and get over it.

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@1;Where does the OP mention EBT's? Where does he mention title stripping? Dear me,what a telling gaffe............green jhedi

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Hi chris bhoy were gonna blame you ,your 1 of the merry men in your lincoln green shirt ,you even got a forrest lol doug t.s.o

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Oh green jhedi i responded 2 chrisbhoys original comment then went on 2 add my own mainly laughing at the fact its what most celtic fans want is for us 2 be stripped off previous titles because you lot seem 2 think we will be stripped of about 8 or 9 which by that figure i would guess is how many would need to be taken away for your lot 2 have won more than the mighty gers honestly got to laugh only gaffe on here is u sorry m8 but the truth hurts lol.

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@4; But he never mentioned titles you did! Are you a mind reader now?.........green jhedi

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GJ i think i am wasting my intelligence trying to have a simple convo with u u r obviously filled with so much hate for rangers that u cant admit 2 the simple facts anyway good luck for when your team becomes the most sucessful team in scotland.Oh sorry silly me u probably already think u r.

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18 May 2012 11:46:20
Hi never posted before but this is what I think will happen over the next few years. Sorry if it bugs anyone, it is not my intention.

If I put my self in Green’s position I would want the third division next year. If we stay in the SPL with the financial restraints, player embargo and no European games for three years, then we face a constant struggle to survive and succeed. A CVA will never be sanctioned in the current climate, so liquidation seems inevitable to me. I may be wrong but I have a strong feeling this will be the case.


As a Rangers Supporter I think it's time we accepted a fate of third division football next season. We need to wipe the slate clean and end the charges of 'cheats' against us. The only way to accomplish this is by entering the third division and quietly doing our time.

I know with a newco the clubs history will be deemed to be lost with the old club, but I prefer to think of the history as never ending, to be in our minds and hearts forever. It’s maybe time to start a new chapter of our history.


It’s not all doom and gloom. A new dawn is approaching us fast and we have little alternative but to embrace it. A new Rangers, will accrue vast sums of money and in three to four years time we will be in a strong position and back in the SPL. Every year we will be winning trophies and playing new opposition bringing excitement back into our lives. We will always be looking forward with new vigour and optimism. Winning the SPL league will feel better than it ever did, competing again in Europe will be a breathe of fresh air.

If we go to the third division then in the first year directors of teams in the second division will be investing in new stands and new players to accommodate the fans and compete with the Rangers players when we are promoted. This will continue until we reach the SPL and we will have contributed to higher standard of not only football in the lower leagues but to improved stadiums and better coaches as well.

Also a paradox occurs in the years ahead. As we improve the lower leagues the SPL will suffer a slow and painful time. It may not happen in the first year but halfway into the second year it will become stale and uncompetitive. Celtic will be able to stand alone but their turnover and profit will dwindle as their fans become bored of watching routs most weeks. The excitement of old firm matches will have gone and the new television deal will be reduced considerably. We may actually see Sky becoming involved in televising the lower league too because of Rangers involvement. If I was Sky I would want to track the progression of Rangers through the lower leagues. I notice on other forum boards that clever marketing to attract new crowds to the SPL will make up the difference, it won’t. Crowds have been falling for years and the main interest will be the Rangers story and the phenomenon of a team who were crushed rising from the ashes.

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So when rangers won their 9 in a row rnagers fans stop turning up to games did they? no they didnt so stop talking rot.
sky might not even bother with spl so they will definitly not bother getting a worse product.

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Once the novelty wares off how many will turn up at Ibrox to watch Queens Park, Annan Athletic etc? What calibre of player wants to play in the lower reaches of Scottish football? Three years is a long time in a footballers career and what happens at the end of it Real Madrid, Milan,Barcelona? No Ross County, Motherwell and Inverness Caledonian Thistle. Rangers need spl football just to survive.

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We buy high calibre players once we get back to the SPL. Until then a yough team will develop by working through the lower leagues. I am assuming that most or all of our high earners will have dissapeared. So we don't need huge volumes at Ibrox to watch the teams you mention to still have a lot of money when reentering the SPL.

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18 May 2012 11:18:56
I think its about time we all unite together and get on the phone to sky. Its time to let them know that if our club has sanctions then our sky packages get cancelled. With no money in Scottish football pressure on sky from the fans could force their hand to the SPL its a long shot but enough fans do this and it could work.

For anyone getting upset reading this we all know that there has been wrong doing at Rangers however why should we keep filling up the pockets of the other clubs when they do nothing but try to kick us when were down.

Whyte must be the one who suffers not the fans the players the staff and Scottish football as a whole.

Gary

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Are you having a laugh? You really think that will do anything at all?If you all know there was wrong doing at rangers,why dont you accept the punishments?.........green jhedi

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Sorry Gary,but this idea is a non starter.At a time when we should be building bridges we seem more intent on burning them all down.Time to get behind the club in whatever future shape that takes and finally accept the punishment that comes with that.
We should also remember the actual guilty parties in our short lived demise. BlackpoolBear.

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OP: I understand and share the frustration but really...cancelling Sky subscriptions? Come on get real. Scotland accounts for 10% of sky's total UK subscriptions...that is gross and will be a lesser percentage for premium packages e.g. sports channel subscriptions. Sky won't give a toss.

Whilst I have grievances with the number of "kicks" we have had since being down, regardless of how severe or not actions by the SPL or SFA or member SPL teams have been the harsh reality is we as a club exposed ourselves to these eventualities.

I think we need to accept the punishments handed down and move forward! The only thing I do -and will - object to, will be the attempts by either footballing body's attempt to enforce new legislation. Rangers - like any other team -should be punished in accordance with the rules and legislation which was in force at the time of the breach - NOT AFTER.

So to the OP and all those other bears with atheir suggestions of boycotts and marches etc, let's just shut up - accept the realities - and rather than continually looking back, let's start looking - and moving - forward!

SPM

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I don't get your point, caller.
So if Rangers are sanctioned, Rangers fans should cancel their subscription to Sky? Then what?
Assuming Sky notice a huge drop in income, which I doubt, what are they supposed to do? Try to re-coup lost revenue by pleading on Rangers' behalf to the SFA/SPL to drop the sanctions? Or is it just another case of Rangers fans wanting to punish everybody involved in Scottish football's top flight bar their own club?
Al

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18 May 2012 10:14:30
I can't say i agree with the players having to boycott the national team. Guys like Naisy loves playing for his country, infact he loves playing football full stop, i thnk it is unfair to put him, and others, in that position. Instead of demanding they boycott the national team, demand that remain at the club for us fans and for the rebuilding of Glasgow Rangers.

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Naismith and mcshagger wont be at club come the Scotland games anyway, next the supporters trusts will be telling us to support NI, or what to have for my tea tonight.

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I think its terrible to ask a footballer to not play for his country. It is a privelage to play for scotland and we need to remember we're a scottish club and should be supporting our national side not trying to hinder it!

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18 May 2012 10:10:08
Yes the transfer embargo is wrong. Yes the SFA are making it up as they go along. But lets just get on with it. Get our support behind Mr Green and his consortium. If we have to play a season with a lot of youngsters mixed in with a majority of experienced players we already have then surely this will help us in the future. From what I have seen we have not a bad bunch of younger players who will only get better the more they play. If we can keep the bulk of our better players thenwe will still finish 2nd and the following year can be pushing for the title again. Lets just acknowledge that next year is the start of the building process

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Agree,spend the money that would have went on transfers on a good scouting network, better coaches and a better manager.

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Tha SFA are only making it up as they go along to try and let you off lightly,you should have had your membership revoke(that was an option but the ybottled it and made up the watered down punishment)

Bears get real and remember the old boys at the SFA are still trying to help it just that they cant be as open about it.

Stop the greeting about spoiling the cup for hearts and hibs and marching here there and everywhere,knuckle down pay your debts and work hard in a few years people might forget how corupt your club is

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18 May 2012 09:59:59
"The SFA claimed it was right to fine Rangers and impose the transfer embargo because the actions of Whyte were the responsibility of the club... "

This quote is RIDICULOUS. So if your knocked over by a car, does the driver get off scot free and the car sent to jail? If you die on the operating table because the surgeon accidentally cuts your heart in 2, does he get off scot free but the scalpel gets melted down?

The SFA are an absolute JOKE. Where on earth is the sense in fining the club and imposing a transfer embargo? They would have been better filing to sue CW and SDM for tarnishing the SFA and SPL.

It makes NO sense to hold the club and supporters liable for the actions of a few men. I as a supporter, nor the bricks that hold up the stand were responsible for CW and SDM's choices.

It's a case of "lets sh*t on the little guy", its ridiculous. Every Rangers player in the Scottish squad should tell them where to shove it and every Rangers fan who also supports Scotland should let it be known that it isn't justified to impose sanctions on the company when it was the individuals fault. {Ed001's Note - grow up! It is called 'corporate responsibility', try learning the law before spouting off. You are just embarrassing yourself. Rangers is not a car or even similar, it is an idiotic comparison and makes absolutely no sense. A car doesn't have large numbers of directors and shareholders to help steer it. I feel like I am talking to 3 year olds with no understanding of how the world really works at times. All you do is cry about how it's not fair, when it clearly is!}

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Good god.The stupidest analogy yet.Why cant you get it..........green jhedi

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This killer surgeon would be punished, but so would the hospital he works for. As for the scalpel, I'm not sure.
Al

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@Ed001: there is an argument to say it's actually unfair as Rangers have been treated leniently. Not exactly my belief but just making a possibly salient point.

1903 {Ed001's Note - certainly there is a very real argument for that. But the decision has been made, everyone just needs to start making the most of it, instead of whining about it!}

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Rangers were found guilty as Murray and Whyte were acting in their capacity of owner and on behalf of the CLUB , Mr Greig , Mr McClelland , Mr Bain , Mr Johnston , Mr Paul Murray , Mssrs Gordon and Walter Smith and most importantly Mr Campbell Ogilivie have known of and benefitted from these wrong doings and have not reported them , so to blame Mr Whyte for all Rangers ills is not really on , not once has anyone involved in Rangers showed any remorse or said sorry for these breaches to the rules , and all you aggrieved Rangers fans were lapping up the teams successes during the EBT years , did it ever occur to any of you where all the money was coming from ? i think we all know the answer to that , it is Rangers who have created this mess , not the SFA , SPL , any other SPL club , McDonalds , William Hill , Vauxhall or any of the 140 creditors , after the attitude Rangers FC and their fans have shown is it really any surprise that sympathy is running out fast , the decision has been made it is time to move on CHILDREN .

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18 May 2012 09:38:01
Tip of the day

Bouncy Bouncy in the 9.10
@ Hamilton ...get the remainder
of the RFFF on it ! .......

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18 May 2012 09:28:21
A RANGERS fans' group last night appealed to Allan McGregor, Lee Wallace and Steven Whittaker to withdraw from the Scotland squad.
They want the trio to pull out in the wake of the SFA's decision to reject the club's appeal against a 12-month transfer embargo and a £160,000 fine for bringing the game into disrepute.
Rangers Supporters Assembly vice- president Ross Blyth believes the Ibrox trio have been put in an impossible position ahead of Scotland's trip to the USA next week.
Fans' chiefs insist Rangers have to make a stance against the SFA - and a boycott of away grounds next season now seems inevitable although the Assembly is adamant it won't make knee-jerk decisions.
Blyth said: 'We would ask the three players to consider their position in the Scotland squad next week in light of the decision that affects Rangers so badly. I appreciate it will put the players in a difficult position but we have to ask them to think about withdrawing.
'We will be looking for our club to withdraw co-operation with the SFA at all levels, from grassroots to the very top and the Scotland national team comes into that.
'Sandy Jardine suggested he would hand back his Hall of Fame award and it has been suggested others should do the same.'

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That's crazy, no Rangesr players gonna do that, when they play for Scotland it for all football fans in scotland, not just Rangers, it so stupid to expect them to give up their national place.

Fans need to calm down and the boycott is rubbish too, Rangers needs to stay in the SPL so its best to sit tight and keep quiet, Rangers needs the cash from the SPL, do you think for 1 minutes 50,000 fans are going to go watch Rangers v Lanark?,get real stop threatening everyone with pulling out before your put out!

Rules are Rules it must apply to everyone fairly , otherwise throw out the rle book and well all go bust and wathc scottish football colapse to an ameteur league.

Rangers fans are hurting and its not their fault but you must work to save the team by encouraging everyone to take short term pain ie 1 Year for some real gain ie back into the SPL and posssible Europe in 2013 ! It wont be long passing !

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What a stupid thing to ask players to do........green jhedi

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Like they think rankers is more important then country....i can only see this as the players final act to leave the club because to have people say dont play for your country in a big tournament cause we want to protest. its funny how the fans think the players think just like them, when in fact i would think they would be a shamed to play for the club if all facts are proven and ashamed of fans wanting everyone else to suffer. you fans are making it alot easier for the players to leave.

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Why should the players boycott Scotland games?

They are young men and are possibly going to be sold at the 1st opportunity to get money into the club, so when they move on they have exiled themselves with the other players and fans.

Ridiculous ask from the supporter's group, the same ones who had tea & biscuits with SDM & CW before saying "Aye these guys are magic"

How about we boycott the supporter's groups until they can actually say and do something positive.

The Pilot!

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18 May 2012 08:20:33
A team made up of mainly under 18s. No one giving us a chance. All the half wits lauging and gloating. BRING IT ON ! This will be first chapter of an incredible story. skiptheton

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Yeah wouldnt it be great if mr green went an spent big money on u18 prospects from around the world and tried to build a great young team, now that would be two fingers up to the sfa.

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@1; Yeah,that would be amazing.After that ask him to drop a nice Ferrari at my house will you.I think the odds on both would be the same..........green jhedi

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18 May 2012 07:55:46
BBC: "Kerr says it is unreasonable to hold Rangers to account for Whyte's actions "

Another one who doesn't get it. The club was owned (mostly) by White so of course it is punished.

What would Any Kerr have said if CW had injected £100m into Rangers and the team won the SPL? Would that be unacceptable too?

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18 May 2012 07:45:32
Rhys McCabe, Jamie Ness, Kyle Hutton, Ross Perry, Darren Cole, Chris Hegarty, Kal Naismith, Barry McKay. Let these guys fill the gaps this season. We need to accept there will be no new faces at Ibrox next season, these guys are the future so let's support them and vow not to give them the Charlie Adam treatment when they have a bad game, there guys are just kids but playing infront of almost 50 000 fans week in week out they will soon become men, lets get behind the team as we aim to rebuild and win our title back.

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Well said mate,that's exactly what we should be doing.
Charlie Adam was a good player,but he was often played out of position,he hadn't the pace to play as a left winger. Look how he's come on at Blackpool and Liverpool,playing in midfield.
Optimistic Bear

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I fear the young guys agents will be looking to place them elsewhere. On a NewCo situation they are all free agents. How can they be sure of being paid through the whole of next season? They can't.

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Be playing in front of 10000 more like

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Dont agree with post re 10000 crowds,i would rather watch good young players playing for the jersey than overpaid ,over rated players that only join for the cash

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@1: good point but if Ally's in charge would you be worried that he'd play some players out of position too? Hasn't he a bit of a record of doing that?

1903

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18 May 2012 07:11:40
here the Q+A session with mr green
The Meeting commenced at 5:30 and ran until 6:50. There was an agenda produced by Mr. Green then the floor opened for questions.

1. Season ticket prices.
Despite no increases in the past three years and the desperate need for money coming into the Club, the prices will not be increased for the forthcoming season. An official announcement will be issued soon. The Ticketus deal is over.

2. Meeting with the SFA/ SFA Appeal.
Mr Keen, our Q.C. presented a strong case why the penalties were harsh. The sanctions were not actually in the SFA Rule Books. He stressed we were very likely to lose players. He spoke for one and a quarter hours. The SFA's lawyer then presented his case. Both Mr Green and Sandy Jardine stressed the panel were independent and not "football men". Rangers asked for a quick decision in order that we may plan what to do next. The panel went away for an hour and a half and returned with the verbal decision, to be confirmed in writing, that the decision and sanctions stand

3/4. Deal Structure/ CVA/ Newco and CVA letter issue date.
Mr Green's preferred route is a CVA. Funds are in place to pay the creditors. On or around next Friday Duff and Phelps will write to the creditors with the offer. The creditors then have 14 days to decide if they will accept. If all say yes, Duff and Phelps stand aside and Mr Green pays the creditors, although he will not yet be the new owner. From making their decision, the creditors then have a 28 day cooling off period in which they can change their minds but Mr Green thought it unlikely any would do so having made a decision. Once the debt is settled, Rangers are out of administration. Crucially, the SFA looks upon things differently, and once the creditors accept - not when they get paid - Rangers are, in the SFA's eyes, out of administration.

Scottish football is working to new rules, so it is vital all is settled before the 4th August - or we may face further punishments.

If we go down the newco route, it is along similar lines to Bill Miller's except Mr Green will pay the creditors now. Bill Miller's idea was to pay them off over three or four years.

Mr Green stressed that whatever happens we will not lose the history or the trophies. The Club was founded in 1872 before the days of incorporation. In 1899, we incorporated. In 1981, we re-registered. All with the history intact. All we get is a different number in companies house against our name.

5. Investor information.
Mr Green was looking into the purchase from 18th February. His idea is to have investors owning from 1% to 15%. All 26,000 current fan share holders will be invited to invest and given 2 or 3 years to fund their investment. The press have found out about Kevin McDonald and Freddie Shepherd and approached them. Both have declared an interest in investing but as yet, have not done so. Mr Green has 5 or 6 people who have already committed to invest and who have paid money to be part of the dream. Some are from the Middle East and some are from the Far East. None are Rangers fans but are football fans. Their dream is to fund soccer academies in the Far East and to see Rangers progress in Europe, where the creation of a European League is seen as a reality.

The company will be listed and everyone will be able to see all who invest. At the moment they have asked for privacy.

6. Craig Whyte agreement.
Mt Green has met Mr Whyte on three occasions and has paid him £1 for the Club. He also paid him a second pound so that Mr Whyte could make a 100% profit on the deal. The thing is set in stone and Mr Whyte cannot back out. Mr Green stressed that anything David Murray or Craig Whyte did should be consigned to the history books and we now look forward.

The floor was opened to questions.

Asked what would happen if one, two or three of our recently called up International players got crocked playing for their country and we could not sign anyone because of the embargo, Mr Green and Sandy Jardine expressed their amazement and anger at how the situation may develop. Mr Whyte pointed out to the panel at Hampden that we had three goalkeepers on our books and asked what would happen if they all got serious injury, would we have to field a team without a keeper? No satisfactory answer was forthcoming. They looked at the team sheets and saw almost 40 signed players from 17 years of age up. Sandy Jardine asked them what would happen if all the experienced players left. The answer was that we still had enough on the books to put out a team. Sandy Jardine answered that you cannot blood a youngster too soon. One bad game and he may be finished. But he told the Meeting the people he was talking to were not football people.

Asked if we should plump for Division 3, Mr Green replied that without Rangers there is no SPL and the other Club Chairmen know it. While other clubs fan may want us demoted, their Chairmen are businessmen.

Mr Green stated that while not a test case, if we were Crewe Alexandria or Arbroath, the punishments would not be sever, indeed there may be calls to assist us.

Mr Green stated that there may be a "year of pain" but that we would emerge from it and regain our place. Asked where he saw us in 5 years, he said "top of the League".Mr Green paid great tribute to Ally McCoist, the management team, the players and to Rangers men such as Sandy Jardine and Jim Hannah who had given so much.

Asked about further investors, Mr Green said that he had held meetings today and would hold more tomorrow with Rangers fans keen to invest. They were, he said, major names in Scottish business - and Bluenoses.

Asked about future players Mr Green reminded the meeting that he had built and sold the largest sports agency in the world and still had the contacts. "who would not want to come and play for Rangers?" he asked.

Lastly, Mr Green stressed that it was most important that there should be no disruption to the Cup Final at the weekend. It would not be beneficial to Rangers- why didnt someone ask "why are ticketus now just a creditor and dont own the tickets after all we never won the court case against them"

who will pay the wages from the end of this month?

out of mr green £8.5m how much will go to pay D+P?

is it true whyte still hold the floating charge over the club?

why D+P went down the road of wage reduction when the football union man fraser wishart said it couldnt been done ONLY wage deferals and in the process has lost rfc millions in transfer fees

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18 May 2012 03:24:59
The sfa r not just hurting rangers they r hurting the spl nd the national team

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18 May 2012 03:12:52
Interesting that UEFA said that they cannot put transfer bans on clubs following legal advice

Kiwi Ger

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Any chance of some punctuation?
So have UEFA came out and said that:
1) UEFA can't put a transfer ban on clubs or
2) SFA can't put a transfer ban on clubs
and was it UEFA who took legal advice or is it that transfer bans cannot be imposed on clubs who are following legal advice.
Do you have a reference for your statement? Thought not.
Sion fielded players they bought during a transfer embargo and we know what happened to them, they were hounded through every court by their own FA and UEFA.
Al

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18 May 2012 02:31:30
Fellow Bears. I am sure we'll all watch the BBC's documentary investigation of SDM next week. Although the suggestion is SDM is attempting to have the transmission of the programme blocked, perhaps some at Lloyds Banking Group should be equally nervous. I wonder if the BBC have discovered that Lloyds approved a multi-million loan to MIH within days of RFC being sold to Whyte! Be in absolutely no doubt Fellow Bears , Lloyds Banking Group were instrumental in getting the deal between Whyte and Murray over the line!

SPM

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Nothing illegal in that. Bankers doing their jobs, getting their loans repaid for their investors.
So it's all Lloyds fault now?

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18 May 2012 01:38:19
this ed 014 is one of the best iv had the pleasure to read he is honest and got b==ls to say what is right some of the others hold back wel done nice to read keep it upm8 {Ed013's Note - Unfortunately there isn't an Ed14 but thanks for the comments}

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Ed 13, why do I see ed14 down the page? Have you regenerated? Is ed1 the oldest version of you? You all do a great job on here keeping the loons in hand :) CheltBlue {Ed013's Note - I will ask around mate in case someone is pretending to be an Ed. I doubt it though, it may be that Ed14 has left. I have been away for 3 weeks so I will do some digging}

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18 May 2012 01:28:13
I think it's funyn reading some tic fans frothing at the mouth wanting "them" to strip our titles.
I would be happy with our titles being stripped only because it would also mean all co-efficient points we gained in those years would also be stripped, as well as the SFA behing hammered for letting a club compete under a false co-efficient.
Imagine all of Gers points towards Scotland were stripped, say bye to champions league.

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How would your co-efficient points be stripped from domestic games?.......green jhedi

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Exqueese me , how many games have Rangers actually won in Europe recently ? not many me thinks , Rangers havent earned many co-efficient points in the last couple of years , they have stolen hundreds of ILLEGAL points and trophies off other Scottish clubs over the past 13 years though , but i'm sure you dont want to discuss that mate .

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18 May 2012 00:50:34
As long as we can finish above the rest that is all we need. Banned from europe anyway so no money to be lost there. If we can finish second in the league we can then rebuild for the season after. Let's take the punishment and pay up our football debts in full.

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18 May 2012 00:42:20
What's the chances of michael owen signing? He's been released by man utd and at 32 may still be able to score a few up here what do you guy's think? By the way I'm playing fifa 12.

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Transfer embargo?

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18 May 2012 00:38:47
Just a thought......I am not sure if I agree with my thoughts here.......but instead of a boycott of away games......surely a cancelling of our sky subscriptions will get the message across.

We all know that cash is king.....and could force the hand as sky will put pressure on ruling bodies

Anyone agree...what do ou think ed??

IG {Ed001's Note - for what reason? I really don't get what Rangers fans think they are going to achieve by petty boycotts.}

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Ed's right ! If we're guilty, we have to accept our punishment. Maybe being a lifelong supporter from Canada has put me out of the daily loop but shirking responsability was never something I ever associated with Rangers and I'll be damned if this Rangers man will ever change. Suck it up Bears , in the long run, we'll be better for it Win , lose or draw, Rangers till I die...straight from the heart ! {Ed013's Note - Good post}

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@Ed001 it was not Rangers fans who brought up the idea of petty boycotts but rather fans of other clubs who said they would boycott their own team if Rangers were voted back into the spl. {Ed001's Note - who just brought up boycotting Sly?? It was a Rangers fan and it makes no sense, I hate Sly, but what the hell have they done to Rangers?}

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